You mean 'Van GONE"

Collin is 'working' from home. Brandon finished Carnival Row. Aaron is chasing waterfalls, against sound advice.

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SPEAKERS

Collin, Aaron, Brandon

 

00:05

Welcome to Oh,

 

Collin  00:07

brother, a podcast. Three brothers trying to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon, Collin and Aaron. On this week's show. You mean gone? Hello?

 

Aaron  00:31

Hello?

 

Brandon  00:38

curse

 

Collin  00:43

no curse on this podcast

 

Aaron  00:45

exactly wasn't talking to you. Oh, hello.

 

Brandon  00:49

Hello. Wanna know what an open and go? Yeah see here Parent was up.

 

Collin  01:01

Apparently my downstairs.

 

Aaron  01:07

Clocks on my kitchen devices are slow. Oh, yeah. Oh, how exciting. Yes. What a fun. What a fun thing you learned today by about two and a half minutes. That's all right. So our exciting stuff. Well, yeah, Sam, I don't really have any exciting stuff happening because you know, sitting home yeah.

 

Collin  01:43

Well, I so this week was my first week doing that. Not staying home. I had to, I had to work.

 

01:49

So I was still working from home. I went in for half a day in the morning on

 

Collin  01:55

Thursday. It was kind of weird being back in nobody Else was in there except the

 

02:02

administrative assistant up front. And I was like, hey, long time no see. Okay, bye. Yeah.

 

02:13

So yeah, it's

 

02:14

been it was it was interesting. It was.

 

Aaron  02:17

It was good though. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Being home and working and whatever. That's fine. I didn't do too much working from home this week because we sent last week I think I said, we went in on a day and, and made physical packages and stuff to send to kids. Right. So I didn't really do any online stuff this week because I have things but I'm getting some stuff ready to send out to share out next week like Oh, hey, here's this hey, here's this, you know, like I think, how does

 

02:55

how does the recent announcements about the closure for the rest of the year affect you guys Were you already doing them?

 

03:01

Well, uh,

 

Aaron  03:05

we weren't doing we weren't close for the year yet. We were gonna be close to the end of April, basically, is what the school had decided on. And so now I guess we're just gonna keep doing this until the school year quote is over. Right. Continue with online stuff. Yeah. Until, you know, x day of the school year would have been over anyway, I guess. Have you gotten any guidance about our school? Nope, no. Okay. And I didn't get that's one of the questions that we are getting that well, first of all, that is a question mark because we don't know. Because good old Mikey made this announcement After all, the administration had gone home on Thursday. Right? So they basically had to go back to school and get stuff to put out on the student portal, the phone call system, the social media stuff to be like

 

04:14

a what is

 

Aaron  04:17

because Fun fact that all the beginning part of that week deci and Misha listeners deci and Misha deci is the, like Department of Elementary and Secondary Education. And Misha, I don't know what Mrs actually stands for, but it's the Missouri like, athletic slash extra curricular activity body, right. They're the ones that make the rules for all the stuff that you do. Basically, all week they were talking about their plans for what happens when we come back to school for the truncated school year. Hmm. Right. So as early as Thursday morning Misha had tweeted a bunch of stuff about their plans for things like sports, things like state fbla or choir, like what their contingency was for that stuff. And then at the three o'clock press conference thing, good old governor Parsons made the announcement. So really cool that nobody in the governor government of Missouri is speaking to each other at all. That's really handy. I really love that part of this, that they can't pull their head out of their own pockets here and figure out what in the world is going on. They're not discussing anything with each other at all. Apparently, nobody has any idea what's happening, let alone any government leaders. They're just making it up as I go along with no plans whatsoever. All the way Mike Parsons is accusing everybody of like, talking trash about like, oh, blah, blah, blah. And then like talking about elections like what you can get. We're doing other more important things right now. Can you just stop? Can you just not do that? Maybe that would be great. You could maybe stop all that nonsense. Well, I see so yeah to be determined what in the world all that stuff means because nobody actually knows yet. I don't Yeah, no, I, I think I think the last time we talked

 

06:32

they had come out and announce the two week I told you guys about that, that when they when they said no, we're going to two week lockdown stay at home or statewide.

 

Aaron  06:41

And three. Yeah, yeah. Three week. Yeah. And

 

Collin  06:45

they hadn't even announced that to like other state agencies or anything. And it came out at five and that they like ah,

 

Brandon  06:55

timing is actually the worst. I will say

 

06:57

this is the way this is the way I

 

Aaron  06:58

think it is. So If you have a too coordinated attack, the runner will be able to

 

07:07

counter you. So if you come at it with a scattershot, no plan, may him there's no strategic need on the back end, right? And so you catch it off guard and you win the battle.

 

Aaron  07:19

But what So, so let me get this straight. You are saying that what Alexander the Great should have done is just thrown his chariots willy nilly at the battle at the Persians. And that would have been a better key to victory. Then strategic coordinated assault. Is that what you're Is that what you're saying here?

 

07:46

I'm saying all we know is that he wasn't as decisive as it could have been. Good.

 

Aaron  07:52

Aaron, Aaron, back me up here now, I think. No, see, there were some things in that battle

 

08:00

that if maybe if you again just the mayhem approach just catches you off guard catches your opponent off guard and allows you to just lie you know like a crazed person running through the streets with a My Little Pony

 

Aaron  08:18

do Tuan who's gonna fight that who's gonna fight that as I work this is

 

08:24

this is good old Mikey's approach My Little Pony to to to the Rhona's.

 

Aaron  08:31

Yeah, no, no or not or not me again. And I said this couple weeks ago, but we need to stop playing our little games or little pretend games, but all the nonsense and maybe do something that might be nice. Try that. Oh, my like goal, then we could be held accountable if we actually do something. Again, and if you think I'm only directing this at the governor, no, no, no, no. You know, this is I'm speaking to the entire governing system of Missouri. Not not just one individual, right? Yeah, I need that to be clear. Least people think that I'm, like, dog and down on like one person on the figurehead. No, no, no, no, no, no, this is the message for everybody.

 

09:29

Oh, well, Brandon's plan. School's out for the summer in the background. So Aaron, what are you up to?

 

09:36

Well, I'm bummed, man. I'd like my kids, man. I don't want to be Oh, I know.

 

Collin  09:41

I know.

 

Aaron  09:42

You guys are talking about Missouri. So the the state of Oklahoma. You know, kind of what Brandon was talking to that. No one's really talking with each other in any of our departments because, you know, I got like, five emails. In two days, like, Hey, we're gonna have a meeting. Oh, hey, JK, we're gonna have a meeting this was discussed, okay, that same meeting we were gonna have, that we didn't have enough having again, about this one thing and then like, Oh, hey, JK, we're not having a meeting entirely to them being notified Thursday afternoon or Friday, saying, Oh, hey, we're actually gonna do this. I was like, this has been in the works for two weeks, and no one's been really talking anybody. So cool. That's helpful. I found out that the state for DHS wise is you know, we still have to do investigations, we still have to, you know, ensure a child safety. So they came up with what's called a SWAT system,

 

Brandon  10:40

where

 

Aaron  10:42

to limit the interaction between people, they're only having like, a certain number of people go out and do investigations, and then have them you know, just give them the notes or give other people the notes. And just do the typing. And so that's that's the original thought process of, Hey, you know, let's just have like, one or two or three really good workers just do the field field work and then have like, Okay, so that's that was the initial plan. However, what that plan is kind of, like evolved into was, they're gonna have a worker go out and they're basically going to put you on speakerphone so you can listen to it. And you were the one that types it up.

 

11:31

Like live Yeah,

 

Aaron  11:31

basically sort of Oh, are these take notes on it? And I was like, yeah, so they can ask you questions, or you can ask them questions while you're there. And I'm like, that's just sounds. I mean, that's a little convoluted. That's a little bit so we're gonna get more details as of Monday, but they told us that we're going to be doing this and then I had an investigation Friday. I couldn't just wait like more days, but that's because I didn't originally sign up for it. So for all of Osage County, which is the largest county in Oklahoma, and then all of Pawnee County, we're only going to have three field workers. And then just everyone else just basically stays at home and does the typing essentially. Which is fine. I don't mind doing that. I just kind of hated, you know, getting that call, like, Oh, hey, you have to drive to punk city, which for me is like, two hours away or something. It's like, I'll come and so I was kind of dreading that so they kind of made it a little bit easier to kind of make it to where only like a few people stuff is more streamlined, right? Yeah. But at the same time, very, it's very kind of dumb with like, just only having like, like People go out and just have like, Hey, we're gonna put you on speakerphone real quick. Why don't you just listen to the conversations like, Well, that seems a little bit an unnecessary step. But yeah, I feel like just getting the notes would probably be better. Yeah. And I kind of think that's kind of what some of the other workers were stating like, Hey, I'm just gonna, like, take a picture of the notes and just send them to you. And I was like, yeah, that's fine. I can do that. So that way, don't sit there and listen to some other person. Well, and like not here. Yeah, I just I just did a phone meeting on Friday. Right. And that was like a, like a conference call about, like, an IEP meeting over the phone, basically. Yeah. And it was kind of hard to be like, What? What? I can't What? I can't hear you. Because, you know, some people are not talking right. It's just a mess. Yeah, I mean, other than that, that's all I've been having too. Deal with me I've mostly just been typing I have a little routine where I sit on my couch and it one case at a time I just type and just kind of let things roll. I haven't really been to the office except for like once or twice but I have to have special permission to be able to just to go into the office. Yeah, so do we have to ask the the building principal But well, or just like let them know hey, I'm coming in here for you know, just a minute they don't want you hanging out right? But like come in Have you got to get some paperwork or get some materials or whatever sorted out so I think it's also be a little bit more

 

14:45

stress

 

Aaron  14:46

reducing to be like, like, Am I gonna get a case today? What does that gonna look like? I just drive my own car. And so now that actually having to know but still like for those two counties connected? Well, we have three field workers, which is like not really a lot, but these three are probably like one of the bests in the States. I'm like, kind of bounces down. But still they're there three for the entire Osage and Pawnee counties, which is orchard. Massive. So Well, that's true. I mean, they're massive. Square mileage wise. Yeah. But But like, population density, not not so much so that that helps out. I think that's the reason why there's not as many Yeah. Because you're right. I did look at a map of Colombia the day because I needed some reference points to these words that you keep saying at me. And so I did notice like, Oh, my gosh, that is a huge area, like, wow, I knew that some of the counties in Oklahoma were enormous, right. But I looked at some of those ones. I was like, wow. Whenever the host nation does The tribe came down from Kansas. They bought like a huge, like they talked to the Cherokees who basically owned like, like almost all of Oklahoma. Yeah. And they're like, Hey, are you guys using this? And they're like, no. So they basically just bought that huge chunk of land for super cheap. And they're like, well, this is ours now. And people were just like, dude, okay. It's not like it's hasn't changed. Since, you know, the Osage nation has basically moved in since the Oh 18 something. Yeah. And so yeah, Osage County is square mileage wise, the largest, but we're also somewhat like the most rulest populations. And yeah, and then that was that was kind of one of the main things that I had difficulty understanding, going through training is that all these trainers came from like the big cities, Tulsa, Oklahoma City. Like the bigger density things I'm like, you guys realize I just have Like, that's it. That's the two I Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, it's still water on homecoming becomes the third largest city in Oklahoma, by the way, well, that's fun. But they just had, you know, some, like, I get like, I don't deal with as many clients I deal with a lot of people.

 

17:19

But you know, I

 

Aaron  17:20

know some of these towns that don't have a gas station, you kind of have to, you know, you don't want to awkwardly ask these people to use the restroom. So you kind of have to make sure yeah, so but Oh, and by the way, for the record, I remember kind of when our first podcast we talked about, you know, the really beautiful scenery. Um, there are in fact, waterfalls in we found once so hey, Shelby myself, took a trip to Osage hills today, which is a state park and there is some water follies there at Lake lookout and Whatever wherever that is, um, I guess there are some waterfall formations. Not like she'll, she'll be found them. Good job Shelby. Yes, way to go. They'll be they say Good job. Really, you know, you know, they're not like the grand jury like, Oh, this is a 20 foot they're like, well, still five foot two less but there are waterfalls. So water falling. We there are some waterfall sightings. All right. So one great philosopher once said, don't go chasing waterfalls. And yes, I believe there was three great philosophers that said that. Yeah, you know, the rivers and the streams. You have to stick to the rivers and lakes that you Yes. So and you know, Aristotle, you know, those great people. So, listen to that. And just really take that to heart. Good advice, sage advice for the age. But that's kind of really about it. Thankfully fortunately, I've only had to go on one real quote unquote far investigation, but that was that was still literally like an hour away just to get there. And so it's mostly just the driving that kind of is to leave my own place today. And you know some that's, that's pretty crazy for reference anybody listening to this? If I drive an hour from my house, I can get across three counties in Missouri. So that's where that's what got his base. We're dealing with it. Yeah. So it's, it's so even so all in Osage County. There is the Frank Phillips will rock live History Museum, which is, you know, several hundred acres there as well. We also have the US government's wild horse sanctuary and ranch out there. You also have the Pioneer Woman ranch which is also several hundred acres. Well that driven ranch That's right. That's also several hundred to 1000 he also had just have you know, other things you have the Osage territory which is thousands of acres it's a it's a huge chunk. And yeah, pretty much just to get across it, you know, the, you know, at one tail end you have Ponca City, but like right on the outskirts, you have bartlesville. So if you need to look at a map, that's like the best kind of distance from the Kansas border all the way down to Tulsa basically.

 

20:51

That's that's kind of the space that we're talking

 

21:04

Now with waterfalls,

 

Collin  21:08

waterfall 14,

 

Aaron  21:10

destination to vacation for a day trip. It was a Google map, Google Map Osage County, scroll around, see if you can find the water where?

 

21:24

Gosh

 

21:27

you say it's okay to get outside but the number of people

 

Brandon  21:30

that I have seen, like

 

Collin  21:34

shaming others for even deigning to walk outside or walk around the park has been immense where we live. Really? Yeah, it is so bad. There. There's one lady who lives right next to the park. Like it's like, perfect her doorstep road and then the pond where everybody goes fishing. And she's like, posting I can't believe all these people out there. There are dishing and walking outside. Don't they know it's a stay at home order and you're like,

 

22:09

yes, but I think

 

Aaron  22:12

Missouri's stay at home order is not to burn. I know it's a little vague but like, that's not so go outside. Yeah,

 

22:23

that's what big I don't but you know, sure.

 

Aaron  22:27

I walked the dog chef guy go inside, you know? Yeah. This is like the front yard on the road a little bit. I keep waiting for us to be on Facebook or next door post of family scene walking outside with young children during a pandemic. Go. Sweet. Yep. Hey, that's it. We mean, we went to Walmart earlier today and they had limited like, they have lions. On both interested insurances, and they had spaces separated by or six feet apart, and they were counting and limiting. You know, it's kind of like a, you know, fancy nightclub or something. They're like, Alright, I got two people on this side or we got room capacity. Right two more in. Okay, so that's that means it's similar to Missouri, Missouri did the same thing. I get Walmart's everywhere doing this now, but it's like it's based on the percent of your buildings maximum maximum occupancy. Yeah. So they had a maximum limit of like 257 I don't know what whatever that that was the thing on the sign of so like, we're only allowing X amount in Yeah, and so but yeah, we set out we stood in line for a little bit to get some get some stuff and there's a guy with little clipboard, Earl iPad thingy. And he had his little walkie talkie and it's like, I got three people left on this Three more people get to go in. Oh, cool. Okay. Cool. So ours, are we just been doing the grocery pickup? Yeah. Again, again, I was incorrect, because I thought, hey, this would be a great opportunity for you to expand your grocery pickup market to let you know less people inside the store, limit contact with staff and all that stuff. Because basically you don't have to do anything. Right. Right. You could modify the coming in contact with them, because you got to put your number in the thing that gave you but you could make that, you know, further apart to that, no, no, they have not done that. I thought maybe they would do that. But no. Why would they do that? I don't know. Because it makes sense. It was kind of thinking like, well, they could kind of do a system where they have people that come to You know, you either order online or you call in since there's a lot of elderly people that don't have probably the best access to.

 

25:09

Yeah, but

 

Aaron  25:11

there's also with a lot of that pickup. But as busy as some of these places are, they're like they only have a registered days. And they're like, Alright, hey, you can only on this day, these certain people like they have schedules online that if they get filled up and said, Well, you can't pick up No, yeah. Yeah, Walmart, you have to you have to schedule your pickup window, right? I'm going to be here at x time to come in and do that. But I thought that maybe they would put more in like manpower on beef in that part. Like they would have more people responsible for picking up like just doing the going and picking the groceries and then delivering them to the cars. Yeah, and stead of just keeping the same three people not changing it at all. Yeah, okay. Well, I guess that's a thing you could do me I did see a lot more employees there and there was a lot of the now online or the you know, pick up stuff but there but there's a lot of people that are kind of doing directional and stocking and just eating things like that but yeah, I think we saw a pretty good amount but again, we there's only maybe less than 200 people in the store when we were there. So, yeah, it I mean, we saw a lot of people wearing masks, at least that we saw people not wearing masks. We were able to keep keep our distance from people. I mean, I don't like people in general. So it's kind of easier for me.

 

Brandon  26:53

But

 

Aaron  26:55

it's still very kind of, because you don't you know, think that like, you know Countries that still that have been dealing with things either for much longer or you know, kind of scenarios where this is a common thing you don't really think of that that aspect like, Oh, well this is actually kind of like a normal thing. But for us, it's like, oh, this is weird. So it was kind of that that it was a very fascinating thing to kind of witness and be like, Oh, this is something I never expected okay. So it's it's unique but at that same time, it is kind of that hint of terrifying of well, is this you know, kind of how it's going to be for a long time. Is this gonna change or, or what? Yeah, I'll tell you. I'll tell you what really hit us. So we we tried the the pickup at the at the Walmart.

 

27:52

And what really hit me is we're sitting there waiting for that to come to our car which is a whole nother debacle. But Just watching the number of people go in with the masks and the gloves. Like it just psychologically, that flipped a switch of like because before I hadn't seen that have that many people have like everybody was doing it, but just sitting here in your car and just watch people getting in and out with face masks and gloves and you know, just how spread apart everyone was all of a sudden was like, oh, like this is okay, this is different, like something, it really was a change in the switch. For me at least there See that? There was a moment today when we were at Osage hills where this dad got out of the car with his son. And his son had a mask on but his son looked at like 10 or 11. And that's kind of when I was like, Oh,

 

28:47

this is

 

Aaron  28:49

this is something like granted, you know, that same kind of mentality of rule ish Oklahoma. Y'all ain't gonna happen out here, but it's like you We had a reported case, and I think someone was reported that actually passed away in Washington County from it. And so that's that's a very another thing. It's like, Oh, well, there's actually more at home than I realized. So I think just seeing that today of just a young kid wearing this, this mask is like, Oh, this is actually, you know, a thing. Yeah. And I kind of hit more at home to me than I anticipated. We had our second reported case, this last week. Yeah, I think I don't. The days are hard to keep straight again, with no actual schedule of my life. But I think it was. It was either the very beginning of this week at the very end of last week. I want to say it was the beginning of this week. On Tuesday, perhaps. I think we had we had our second case, and this person apparently went literally everywhere in all Bear county because the health department thing was like they weren't here, here here here like what do you want to every store a bank? What is really doing? So I don't really know what was going on there. But they are watching them and they've contacted everybody and all this stuff. So I will see what happened because of that person is an idiot and decided to live the meme and go world traveling around their county, isn't it? You can do federally, you can actually get in trouble for that, right? Yes. Yeah. So we'll see how that goes. I haven't heard anything else. I haven't any follow up or anything. So. Okay. The interest. Again, I only checked the news every couple days. Yeah, just entity, right? Like, because people are ridiculous. And I can't even deal I just, we just stay inside. And you know, do nothing. Watch weird things that you I still I still watch my my YouTube videos or watching a lot of vice videos. I don't know exactly if that's necessarily a good thing but I watched I watched a couple of those to actually watch some videos recently of like snake Island. And then this guy when I saw that one I went and watch it that was recommended boo hunting in Alaska with one of the Native American tribes up there and I was like, Oh, so that's what i've you know, we've kind of been I watched a couple of those. The Dark Side of the ring documentaries that they do. Holy cow. What is that? So it's like a, it's about wrestling stuff. It's like, dark. It's it's like the, this these really weird stuff. One of them was the Crispin wall story. That's the first one I watched. If you're not familiar with Chris bidding war. It was a very prominent wrestler in the 90s. In the early 2000s. He ended up double murder suicide committing his young son. Turns out he was suffering like severe brain trauma, like CTE from all his years of wrestling and stuff. And he had kind of had a breakdown. And that so it's like, the saddest thing in the world. Basically, they don't talk about him anymore, which is also kind of sad, because you would think that they would want to address that issue, but they also distancing themselves from that, but that's the whole thing. But you know, that means they also distance themselves from the surviving family members, which is add. Oh, yeah, so I watched that one. I watched a couple other ones. One of them was like About just like a dumb thing they did and how bad it are not nearly as bad as that. That's the most serious when I watch it Yeah, I was just the one I watched with this guy was, you know, caribou hunting in Alaska with I can't remember what the tribes name is but he's like, you know, the all these people that live in the like the farthest reaches of Alaska who that has been their way of life for thousands of years. And this like really nerdy person was like, Hey, I'm the one that's going to be you know, doing this and never actually really been, you know, outside outside before. So here I am, like, Oh, do fascinating.

 

33:43

Just gonna go Well,

 

Aaron  33:44

yeah, it's gonna go go something but it was it was neat. So I've, you know, we've watched that, you know, we're continuing with our Star Wars marathon on I know, lots of lots of, you know, gaming, lots of reading That kind of stuff. So that's, you know, we try to go on a walk at least every night. Now, there's some parks that are around here, which are kind of not necessarily isolated, even though they're kind of in the smack dab middle of town, but not that many people go there. So it's kind of nice. Yeah. But we, you know, we usually get the least go out and if I'm spending all day typing, I'm just like, yeah, and you see the sun. Like, human interaction. Oh, I don't like the way your mind.

 

Brandon  34:28

I see a person. There's one. Okay, done. Okay.

 

Aaron  34:32

Okay, bye. Wow, there's other humans. Okay, I'm done.

 

Collin  34:39

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Brandon  35:31

I finished that Carnival row show. Yeah. And then I was like, dang, okay, okay, you got me fine. Got mean? That's pretty good. Takes a big swerve there. And then the ending of the seasons like okay, definitely more of this is good. Because it definitely like finally pay off some of this because they again, they had that problem of everyone's when they cut to some other people. You're like, I don't care about you. They slowly, slowly build it up over 30 episodes. And then I started watching that new Tales from the loop or whatever. That show is so stinking depressing. And I was like, Yeah, okay, well, no, I'm gonna do watch this in small doses. So it's like it's, it's this weird setting of like it's supposed to be like small town, Ohio, right. But if small town Ohio was built on top of some sort of like, science fiction version of CERN, own the Hadron Collider, right, so the loop is like, some sort of a drug collider underground, but there's also like other weird things down there. And it's like, kinda nobody really, they don't you know, it's like Underground science activity. That's all you get from the first couple episodes, write it down there. And there's a clear division of people that work down there. And everyone else, kind of right societally, because there's like, oh, you're either smart enough to get in to science and go down to the loop or you're gonna, you know, work at the quarry or the gas station, you know, I mean, so it's, it's unconventional in that it doesn't necessarily follow a person kind of like, the town is the character. So the first two episodes are about different people like altogether.

 

37:42

Like, they're you they're related kinda

 

Brandon  37:46

in that the first one's kind of like about the mom. And then the second one is about like, the son and his friend, right? following them. So it's it's kind of weird. It's gorgeous. And right but like it's just the second episode was such a downer. I was like, Oh, I can't handle more of this right now. Luckily on it Wednesday and Thursday on television was it was it on USA or whatever, but network they did, like a marathon of the first two seasons of cycling. That's a funny watch the heck out of that because I loved that show when it was on should make you feel better. That was their big they did like a live kind of watch along with the two main guys from the houses. They were like Skyping. Right. And like talking about stuff. It was kind of cool. But that shows hilarious. Did you like that, too. So they're gonna do that again this week, some day. So I'm gonna watch more of that and that shows off. And Shana had never seen it. So we made her watch that and she liked it. So that's good that she was lovely. I needed some something funny, after downtrodden things I was watching. Oh, I gotta find something to watch. It's upbeat and not depressing.

 

Collin  39:25

Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure many of those shows of like, doom and gloom in global problems or just, like, probably aren't getting too many hits these days. Yeah, my god dang it. I don't know. That's not what anybody wants to watch.

 

39:39

We just released our multi million dollar blockbuster about a global pet. No,

 

Brandon  39:45

crap. I mean, the remake of resin evil three just came out. So that's not good timing.

 

39:55

We'll see. nobody really wants to play that with the news that's going on. Yeah,

 

Aaron  40:00

like, oh, a global virus is spreading super fast through Raccoon City and Oh, wait. Turn us off. Yeah. Anyway,

 

Brandon  40:19

back to the drawing board boys.

 

Aaron  40:28

Oh, the other news that I wanted to mention. This actually happened last week and I forgot to bring it up. Did you read about the Van Gogh painting that got stolen in Amsterdam? Yes. Oh that was awesome. All right. So like they stole somebody again. They stole a van Gogh. I can't remember it's called it's like the walk at the parsonage or something. And remember, it's like this huge two foot long Van Gogh painting. Yeah Parsons garden. Yeah. Parsons garden there. Yeah, a new parsonage in there. They stole it. Somebody stole it from museum last week, because the country's on lockdown, and no one's in the museum. And somehow they broke in and stole this thing. So, I talked about opportunistic, that was nothing. First of all, I just want to, like art theft is a thing. That to me is just very odd. In general, right? Because somehow it's taken on this like mystique of like, crime, right? Like, it's just such a weird thing to steal, it'd be obsessed with is like art theft. Because there's all these stories about just like really bizarre, unsolved art thefts that are crazy. Right? And one of them from last year. Actually, there was some more paintings that were stolen from I don't know where this museum was. They had stolen them several years ago. And they actually found them and some random side room like of the museum. Like they had been stolen, and then like taken out and then like put in this like weird like shed thing was like outside or something weird like that, like, hidden like at the museum is a very bizarre so like just art theft in general. It's just so weird. Well, in part of it too, is. So you steal this van Gogh painting. It's pretty. I know, a lot of people are gonna notice. Yeah, what what do you do with that? But that was my little. Yeah, that's the other thing. That's kind of just the fascinating element of this is like, what do you do with it? Like what How do you like, if you're a person that stolen an art painting, or a very small number of these are actually stolen on commission? Right? There is a small number of paintings that are like somebody pays you, hey, I need you to steal this for me. Right? That's very, that's not very common there. So the other one, though, is like, oh, somebody steal it, they sell it on the black market, and then somebody buys it. That whole chain of events is very mind boggling. Like, how does that how, like, you're right, like you steal it. You've got to sell it somewhere. And then the person that buys it, whatever you do with it, but you can't like show people, right? Like, yeah, it'd be like, Oh, yeah, here's my, me. My prints. Right?

 

43:54

Yeah, this is this thing. Oh, yeah. This is just a picture of productive dudes fake It is do you want to buy it? I mean, if you want to buy it a couple million, right, so

 

Aaron  44:07

it's so odd. Yeah, like, like, I mean, I'm sure there's many people that are stealing art probably know more about how to sell it than I do. Obviously, you're like, I read a thing earlier today that they're pretty sure that painting is actually still in the Netherlands because right the whole country is locked down so I can't like leave yet. So they

 

44:31

Yeah, they were like, like, haha, and now we'll get a Oh no, everything is shut down. Yeah. Oh, no, I'm

 

Aaron  44:39

fine. They're not they're probably not afraid to sit on it for

 

44:41

a long time. But sure. But again, if you are if you are going to be gutsy enough just to go up and steal a multimillion dollar painting, and a huge painting, like a foot painting, not like some of those little sketches that get stolen sometimes right. Logging tiny. Yeah, I'm assuming that I'm gonna hope that you have have at least a couple plans in place like you don't just stop at Plan A of like, we smash and grab and we run. like okay, but what did Yeah, well, I mean that also has happened.

 

Aaron  45:13

But again there's that famous one what was it in Boston where they just like came in in the morning and there's like seven paintings gone. bitten but like there's just this whole history of like really bizarre unsolved art theft, right. And it's just a weird it's just a really weird thing. And I don't know, like, I was also reading that one of the guys is like, the investigated guys is like, yeah, I'm pretty sure that a lot of these things that we don't know where they are actually in Russia somewhere, right like these big Russian, you know, billionaire businessmen have them in a house. Oh, sure, somewhere, but they're just like, Yeah, no, not you know, like, Really flippin about the whole thing like, Oh yeah, well, you can't do anything about it because I'm a Russian billionaire. oligarch, what are you gonna do? Yeah, right like shirtless? Like, that's the other thing like some of them It sounded like he knows exactly where they are, they just can't do it. I'm gonna say

 

46:20

that for the kind of people who maybe commissioned these to be stolen or buy them, you know, like that, like, they're probably not very tight lipped about several about these kind of things. And there's no doubt right like it that that that world I'm sure is very small as far as not just who would be able to pull a job like that, but also, who would be willing to buy something like that, like, yeah, those are written down on a very small notepad in someone's office. Yes.

 

Aaron  46:49

Because that's been the plot of several books that I've read over the years, right. Like we'd like spy thrillers like art theft is shown up in there every once in a while, and it's always just Like under really weird. He's a very odd people, right? Like, first of all, but like, you would steal it. Like, I mean, I'd like paintings, right? I like, you know, paintings as much as the next guy, I guess. Like I don't really get what makes like a Monet worth all the trouble and money to steal it. Right? Like these are things that I think the thought process just kind of baffles me sometimes. Like, yeah, it's cool, I guess, like historically, I get the importance, right. There's these handful of artists that are like very important, culturally and historically. Right like Stealing, like, I don't know, that's also this is a van Gogh painting, the one that was just something that I've never heard of before. And I've seen lots of Van Gogh paintings. This was the one I've never heard of, it's very, it appears to be not in a style that you would necessarily just associate with Van Gogh, right, like the post Impressionism world that he's famous for. This one looks very, not that. So. I don't know why you'd want that particular Van Gogh painting anyway. Who's gonna miss it? Would it be classified as a van gone? You got another big so at the, at the wool rock museum. There's all these like, you know, Western and cultural and historical items there but they also have these like historical paintings. There's just some of them that are just insanely massive, like, you know, they're those murals. And then there's just like these gigantic paintings that someone just like commissioned and, you know, Drew, and just like, why would you want something that big and then I was sitting there thinking is, you know, watching Ocean's 11 so many times, I was like, true to that. And I was just like, that is so huge. And I wouldn't, we wouldn't know what that would be worth, like I would have I have no taste or no kind of style for something. Yeah, like, I mean, research. Yeah. Have some source. Google it. Google. Well, that's they did say that this one that was stolen the parses one has never been appraised. So they don't really know what the value is. They just kind of had to estimate it On other words by Van Gogh that have actually sold at auction, right. But again, this one is Very not. I mean, I didn't look at super closely, but it does not appear to me to just jump out and say, Oh, this is a van Gogh style, like post Impressionism painting. And it's also huge and apparently it's not on canvas, it's like attached to a board. So you can't like, like you're talking about the size is kind of important because it's like a huge board. So like, a lot of times you're right, a lot of the ones that do get stolen are smaller. Right? A lot of the like, they're like sketches by Picasso have been stolen because they're little or other Canvas works have been stolen that are kind of small, like, you don't often get these massive paintings that are get stolen. You know, that kind of keeps them a little safer. Like Rembrandt has some paintings that are enormous, like like that night watch, night guard or whatever that thing is humongous. Probably not gonna stop anytime soon, but who knows? Yeah, that's another thing like how do you do? You know, you kind of got to go for the small thing. And weirdly, even though this is like a crime that's been happening for hundreds of years, it seems like a museum security. notoriously not great. Right? Like, right. A lot of stuff last couple weeks about a museum is curious. It's just awful. Like, people just walked out of with stuff like in the middle of the day, just gone and walk in and they take it because the security is just so bad. Wow.

 

51:43

Very, very weird.

 

51:54

Well, there you go. Maybe you know,

 

Aaron  51:56

if something doesn't pan out. That's the next The we're not advocating art theft. We're not doing that. Speaking of outdated security now. Also, I was reading that a lot of states are having trouble in the current global climate like processing things. Because their computer systems are actually running on no one notice. Nope. They're running on code that was written like in the early 80s. They're all apparently, your state most likely has their computers functioning on a language that is not taught anymore, even. Right. It's all it's all unlike COBOL. That just sounds like I don't it's like computer business oriented language. I think it's what stands for but it's like It's a super old programming language that was actually developed in the late 50s. And they stopped teaching it in business school in like the early 80s. Because it was no longer useful. And apparently, lots of states, a lot of state program networks are actually written in that language. And so they, they're having problems because they need to either reduce stuff in the system, and they don't have anybody that knows how to code in that language. Because it's so old did not use it.

 

53:41

Oh, my gosh,

 

53:42

yeah. When Yeah.

 

Aaron  53:44

Let's see. All right, because like, there's, there's some times Why would you bother? There's sometimes in training we're talking about because we have to use a certain kind of database for you know, all of the archives and histories. And, you know, we asked people like, Oh, so when was this development They're like, the 90s really came up with this mic. And have you decided to change it? And they're like, no, because the person that coded it is retired and is like deceased. And so we don't know what to do. And I'm like, this is probably written in a programming language. It's usable, not not one that was developed in the late 50s when computers were the size of my apartment, and

 

54:29

yeah, no, sorry, I just, I just,

 

54:31

I just, I just found that article. And yeah, they're saying, all those mainframes and basically the mainframe, just the underlying support structure of everything. Over 64% of organizations that were polled said that the majority of their mission mission critical workloads were done in COBOL.

 

Aaron  54:51

Yes, geez. Yes. They go, which so I don't know why why you you you have that On your mainframe infrastructure, and then you just pile all your other stuff on top of it.

 

55:06

Because it worked, right? It worked for their load. No, it worked. You know, I'm sure they're like, Oh, sure, we can scale this to three times, but we'll never get there. And it's scanning 100 times over the course of four days. And they're like, Oh, no, nevermind.

 

55:25

Oh, my gosh, yeah, it back in 2017. Here's some some, some reports. I'm just reading this for the first time. There are over. You're welcome. There are almost 300 billion lines of code used in 43%. of banking systems. Yes. Ah 95% of ATMs. Yes.

 

55:45

For with a 60 year old

 

Aaron  55:48

technology. Oh, yes.

 

55:52

No, yes.

 

Aaron  55:53

Wow. Yeah, sure. All that banking software. So so just I don't know why. Like, I don't understand, like, I live in a town that has like a gigantic banking software firm in it. Right? I want to ask somebody that works there. Is this what you guys do? Get them, get them on the show. I do this for my neighbors. I have neighbors, they're like, we, you write that? I've seen one of Susan's friends works there actually a chef, he talks to me code department is what you're using? What the heck? Why? I mean, you would think they might have to because they're, if they're sending ask these banks, and that's what their mainframes are using. Like, what, what, what?

 

56:42

Well, it's kind of like, I don't know, like, at some point, it's you go.

 

Aaron  56:48

Yeah, what is the cost

 

56:49

to upgrade this or to transition to a new to untangle this web that we've put together and It make it into something new and modern that we can still scale and be flexible. Like, what is that cost in both downtime for the company and it just financial dollars versus the still works? So let's just keep going. Yeah. Right. Like,

 

Collin  57:18

I would not want to be in charge of that decision or that person. The IT department right now.

 

Aaron  57:26

Like, Oh, no, that's, I mean, there's a few years ago, I was reading that several, like, military installations in the United States run their code off of

 

57:42

five inch floppy disk. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Most like a lot of it's like the nuclear missile programs. Yes. I was actually just getting ready to bring that up of that.

 

57:53

It just, they, they it was they didn't want to touch it for so long. And they because now how do you develop Those kinds of software that can software Yeah, in an age of internet connectivity and everything like that. True. Well, how would you even go about doing that? Yeah.

 

Aaron  58:12

So on the one hand, it's weird to think about it kind of, it kind of is like, you know, George RR Martin's computer, right? He works on that old IBM. So no, not connected. It's not connected to the internet at all right? It's system is all self contained, because it's so old, because he doesn't want anything happen to it. So like, it's kind of like that, right? Like, well, it's kind of working. We don't want it to be online, because that would be bad, right? It needs to be like a self contained system. With no internet access. Please do not put nuclear silos on internet access appears a terrible idea. Or even just even just, in the end, did trying to develop that code without it. leaking out or being stolen at this point of like, just

 

59:06

would not be yeah

 

Aaron  59:11

floppies and missiles. We go.

 

Brandon  59:16

We're gonna go five inch floppy. Yeah.

 

59:18

Wow, I was gonna bring up when you're talking about art theft, an article that I had read recently. I don't know if you've heard of the the king of manuscripts.

 

59:29

It's a French,

 

59:31

historical, Rare Book collector, that what he would do is this is very French, you would buy real documents at reasonable prices on actions around the globe. Then he would have them have an insurance appraisal that he would pay off to have the price inflated to hit this insurance policy for $1.2 million. He would then break that out into like 20 pieces and say you can by a portion of an OTA portion of this book, and he would sell those off, and for these really astronomical prices, and basically it became a giant Ponzi scheme, because it sounds like a Ponzi scheme. He was the nickname The made off of France. Oh, no. Yeah. Because he built at one point in time he owned over 5% of he, he himself, over 5% of the globe's rare books and letters. And they were like, yeah, they were like, you know, Isaac Newton's stuff, or, oh, my God, john F. Kennedy stuffer, Fidel Castro or all of this stuff, these manuscripts he would buy, artificially inflate, inflate the price and then sell off portions of the insurance claims to them to people to further raise the price. And he just

 

Aaron  60:55

is definitely a Ponzi scheme.

 

60:56

No, yeah, no, it's really cool, but it was just like, it could there be that There's not there, there are a few things more French than someone going haha I will use this using not stolen goods bought and paid for with real money. But then to turn this lust in love for the Brayer and the old into a Ponzi scheme, like, like

 

Aaron  61:18

it's so bizarre. Yeah.

 

61:21

Yeah, but some of the stuff that he was buying were really rare and rare to the point of just obscure that nobody knew how to value. So one of the things that he had, and this is this is

 

Aaron  61:30

the rare book market for you. There's some weird stuff out there was this is real. He had a shopping a grocery shopping list pinned by Beethoven from 1817. In his collection, I don't want to know what's on Beethoven shopping list. I know I didn't want to know I want to but it's like, do you have that?

 

61:54

This is one $3 million.

 

Aaron  61:58

Who's going to say no to that I'm not sure I because it's only one of them. Right? But it's storica. Lee, you would think, a shopping list? Not super rare, or I mean, rare. Not super valuable, though. Because, like, again, this is all the how much things are worth how much you're willing to pay for it. Right? But, like, that doesn't seem like it would be worth a lot of money. Whereas like, that all the handwritten copies of his symphonies would be, you know,

 

62:34

where the money's at, right? Like, but what it would mean is that if you have some insurance people that are on your books, you know, they may value it higher, but that's, you know, that may just be maybe confusing to people that might not look into it too much. It's too late, so Hmm. And then if you do have some of those big ones and some big symphonies, you know, you Oh, well, this collection is pretty awesome. So, okay, now it's a collection. Yeah, true. Yeah. Though

 

Aaron  63:01

he's he was arrested and he's always on Beethoven shopping list, right? I don't know what he's buying. I don't know, Beethoven. I mean, he probably buys groceries, right? He probably was go shopping. I don't know what he bought to look into this reminds me of my favorite rare manuscript. I know we all have, but have you ever? Have you ever read about the voynich manuscript? And we talked about this, Brandon, you and I, did we? Maybe you and I did. I don't know. It's kind of up before I'm very fascinated by this thing. It's possible that we have because I think I even looked it up on Amazon. Like the copy thing of it. I definitely have. I actually ordered a copy the English translation version, however, of the Rosetta, the Icelandic Norse sagas now My you know document that I've always been fascinated with are slash wants so ordered on Amazon is on its way but that that word sounds familiar explain Brendon knew already read the New Left

 

64:27

and there was the what was that the North Seta?

 

Aaron  64:30

Me yeah what was your book so mine was it's what's called the pro the pros eta so it's it's kind of what we use as the mayor standing the you know all the understanding of Norse mythology Norse stories. So it was written originally in the original Nordic language because Icelandic was pretty much just kind of left on its own for no several hundred of yours. And so the prose Edda was written a few thousand years after kind of like the Vikings and things like that. So it's kind of like the only real recorded history of the Vikings and so it has it has the sagas are the stories from the from all that stuff. So that's that's kind of the the document that I have been fascinated with. And I found an English version of it because the only other copies are written, you know, Nordic or in Icelandic, which is some of the closest language to you know, ancient Norse. Oh, okay. That's all good. That's awesome. I've never heard of that. Yeah, I'm adding it to our show notes. Rosetta, so yeah, I have a copy from Amazon on its way. So I'm excited. Yeah. I think we've lost Brandon. I think we love Brandon. No So do I keep talking and you're just wait till Brandon comes back or Ah well, I mean literally yeah we just take off from next time yeah

 

66:30

along only I'm

 

Aaron  66:33

not going anywhere yeah he's saying it dropped Yeah, bizarre got that text well that's what sometimes happened with with you guys like sometimes like I would just be sitting there and I would just hear like a pop and like I would get nothing and so either either kick me out that few times or take like everybody out because there's several times where I was like, Oh man, I like listening and then it just be absolutely nothing.