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SPEAKERS

Collin, Aaron, Brandon

Collin  00:04

Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast of three brothers trying to figure it all out with your host, Brandon, column. And airing on this week's show, you can see the threat at precisely 830 45. If we are on your recording it's all good. And the whole a boy and a half in deed, so, yes. Sending dog home, new dog, Ben, sunburn, birth all of those things? Ha.

Brandon  00:49

That's the real reason Aaron, he was trying to put on aloe. That's what sounds pretty well.

Collin  00:58

No? No, it's been quite a lot going on. Since we last spoke. One of the things that we are working on is we are doing our annual evaluation of the software's and stuff that we use in our business. And so basically, we we tell our staff of like, you know, here are the ABS here are our SOPs, nothing is so precious that I will force you to use something if it's actually bad. And so as part of that, we regularly look at what insurance company we're using, what technologies we're using, what apps, all those things, and make sure that they still aren't working for us. And we haven't kind of slumped into this malaise of whatever and feel attacked. But I'm not attacking anybody.

Brandon  02:00

Exactly how I operate. Like it works good enough. I'm not changing it, whatever.

Collin  02:05

Well, because I know like, like, Okay, you look at it, you look at some software, let's just go with the software, because that's been the biggest pain point is, you look at that, and you go, Okay, well, I've done all of my due diligence, due diligence in 2019. Perfect. Well, it's been a few years. And I know that's true, right? So software develops at a rapid rate. And if you haven't looked at things, you don't know where everybody else stands.

Brandon  02:39

And so

Collin  02:40

you kind of have to re survey the field. And so this past week, Megan and I have been doing demos with when I say all of the pet sitting dog walking software companies, I'm just gonna say all of them. And it is

Brandon  02:57

hot. How many are we talking about here? Exactly?

03:00

Oh, oh, man. Ah, eight.

Brandon  03:04

That is a bigger number than I was expecting

Collin  03:06

to hear. Let me and I think there may be a one that we haven't left off here. Let me I'm not going to mention any names. But we've done one of these is yes. Pay us. Specifically over in the UK, we did not use them.

Brandon  03:21

I mean, that's that's probably fair. Right.

Collin  03:27

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Don't set Yeah. Eight. Yeah. We've done that. So. Wow. Yeah. So that was fun. And one of the major issue is you sit down. And we actually do have a workflow we have, we have things that we like we that we appreciate. We obviously have reasons to be looking for other ones. And they sit, they sit you down. And when you schedule the demo, it's not. Hey, tell me, I will say this, there have been two companies. And this is what more companies need to do. They before they go into their spiel, they need to ask, how do you book How do you message clients? How do you do XYZ? Because it's a complete waste of time for them to see like, well, here is your dashboard. And I go so can I use this on a phone or is it desktop only and they go oh, it's desktop only and I go Well anyway, thanks. Bye. It's it's very it's very interesting how that works. And then we try and hear him out because we go okay, well, we like Megan does average she only uses her desktop like a few hours a month, like her laptop. Does everything else on her phone, everything else on her phone. So to Now I asked her to go, Okay, I want you to not do that, and you are only able to do this, she's gonna go II know, that's not happening. So like we're talking like they have to overcome some major pain points and do things that we didn't even know we needed, take her life to make that worth it. So it's very interesting. And I will say that the status of the petsitting software's out there is such that they were developed in like the mid to late 2000s. And have kind of not really innovated a whole lot since then. Like, they say, the majority of them all still send updates to clients through email. And I'm like, who uses email anymore? Like, that's what? And they're like, Well, yeah, your your, your, your staff member will write the update in their app. And then it sends an email to the client. And I go, okay, so what happens if the client has a question? They go, Oh, well, they'd have to call you. And I'm like, No, this is more useful. Like, what my, my staff is like, in the home. And like, just tonight, with another client, one staff member walked in that some poop on the carpet and texted the client and said, Hey, where's the cleaning product? And they could text right back and blah, blah, blah. And it was like, Yeah, we need two way communication. Great. That's a feature we actually need. And like, and most of them are like, No, we don't we don't either allow, or it's not where our software is not able to allow to, to a communication between staff,

Brandon  06:43

and clients. How old is your software that you're not eight? Do you know how many ridiculous websites there are out there? That like that annoying little thing that like pops up in the bottom corner? And there's like a dude on the other end? like, Yo, got any questions for me? Like? No, stop it. I click that's an accident. I'm sorry. Back away quickly.

Collin  07:11

Yeah, I know. And I understand it, because it's hard. Because especially when we want to do like text based communication with like, text messaging, because now that they have to partner with a carrier, run their own sync servers, or messages, and there's a lot of in between stuff. But it's like, that was 20. You started this business 20 years ago, and you're still like, we are, we're all electronic communication. And you're like, that is that should have been my key word that should have been red flag that you are still using electronic communication as a CIS.

Brandon  07:51

Oh, and I feel bad. But that's how the business world the business world hasn't moved past email. Oh, right. Like email was invented. And they're like, this is perfect. And lettuce. That's right now I'm, I'm saying you this from an education standpoint, where like, it's the only way. That's it, there is nothing else. Only email.

Collin  08:21

And I just can't imagine like at the personal level, like, any of that, like I just it just blows my mind. And so I feel bad, because a few of the demos have actually been with like the

Brandon  08:40

founder of

Collin  08:42

the software. These are huge, huge companies like Don't, don't get that they're not like Microsoft level.

Brandon  08:48

Felt like Bill Gates is just hanging out. Like you don't know what's

Collin  08:51

exactly built yet. None of none of that. But you know, the guy who was like, yeah, in 2005, I had this idea for the software. And now this is what I do.

Brandon  09:01

And we're like, okay, okay,

Collin  09:03

like, it's much easier for me to ask my pointed questions to the person who didn't design it, and it's not their baby, and

Brandon  09:10

yeah, like, not going to, like just stabbed your feelings out everywhere being like, Bro, why can I text somebody?

Collin  09:18

Oh, here's, okay. Here's the here's the other mean, here. What do you mean,

Brandon  09:21

pet owners would want to communicate back with you like, Yeah,

Collin  09:26

I know. Some of them are like, some serious one of them said, Oh, you let your client your staff communicate directly with your

Brandon  09:34

client. I was like, yeah, yeah. It's kind of our thing.

Collin  09:41

And be this. This is because this is the this is how petsitting software's were developed. There. You

Brandon  09:47

see all of our episodes where we moan about service industry. Come on, come on. Oh,

Collin  09:56

here's how they were all developed in it again, it makes sense for At the time, let's go back 20 years, what were the constraints? What was going on? Like bandwidth was really limited. Internet and access was like, they almost non existent? Yeah. And so email was basically what it was. So they basically envision themselves as an administrator sitting down at their desk, sending out updates via email. Okay, so then they went the now and they went, Oh,

Brandon  10:22

it's me that 20 years ago was 2002. Just think about that real quick.

Collin  10:27

So what we'll do that's, is as mobile technologies got better. Blackberries and

Brandon  10:34

camera 2002. Lets listeners just so we're clear. 2002 is the BlackBerry era. Yeah. Right. We are firmly ensconced in BlackBerry land, big. Ugly, we're still with big ugly IBM desktop computers. Right? I'm, I'm imagining my high school business class right now. Right? I'm thinking about keyboarding. Those horrible desks, the squeaky chairs, like those big huge, like IBM CRT monitors.

Collin  11:09

Yeah. Alright, so so that's how that so imagine that setup. Then as mobile technologies got better? They started to put very light versions. And we're still in the floppy disk era.

Brandon  11:22

Yeah, okay. 2002 is still a floppy disk, a small one. Right? What

Collin  11:29

is that the two, three inch whatever? Great three and a half floppy disk? Yeah. Okay, then you get into, like, the 2000 10s. And mobile technologies are pretty good. So but they still have it centralized as to like the admin, as like the big beefy software that runs on their desktop. And they do all of the scheduling and all of that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, that the people who are out in the field, just have a little sheet, it's like a little card with little checkmarks. And they can maybe attach a photo, and they send that off. And that is the quote unquote, client update.

Brandon  12:02

Because 2010 We're on like, iPhones are not that old. No, right. applicant, mobile applications have, like, just the thing. Right? Like not too long ago, a lot right around this time when we are developing mobile applications, like apps did not exist on phones before this. So you couldn't you couldn't have and you could put you could still, if you had a phone, you could email? Yeah. And so,

Collin  12:35

so what so what's going on here they've got and the processing power is really limited, and bandwidth is really bad. And so they've constrained what can happen right to client or staff since one update to client, if a client has questions, they contact the booking as administrator. And then the administrator gets in touch with the staff member. That's, that's the cycle that they were

Brandon  12:58

stuck in. All right, you have to call the secretary. Yes. Right. You're stuck

Collin  13:02

through 2010. And now they brought those into the teens. And we're here sitting here in 2020. And most of these, I'm not kidding. I talked to every one of them that are the major players, everyone recommends. Every single one of them said this phrase to me, Well, we're completely redoing our back end and updating a lot of updates this year to give some new features level, blah, blah, blah, where basically, they're having to reach back into the the corridors of time and rip out the gut. Has that been on their company for 15 years, and modernize all of the back end to allow some of these features? And so I'm left as you ask all questions, like What? What is your Oh, no, oh, no, no. Yeah. Like, like texting. Like, that's a feature that a lot of them. They're like, well, we've been hearing a lot of people are interested in, in tech things. So that's something that we're going to be adding to a community. Where have you been this? Here's the other thing that that because it's business, right? What's How do I deal with a business? Oh, that's right. I send invoices, who let me tell you all of the ways the multitude of ways that we can invoice your client out will make invoicing easy. And then when we say we don't invoice our clients, they go, I'm sorry, what? I go, No, I show up to the client's house. I press a button and I charge their card. I don't I don't work for free. And I don't want to chase down people for money. So and they go, Oh, well, we don't. We can't You can't charge their clients multiple times a day. You have to invoice and I'm like, Oh, yes. And here and some of them have like they've really wrung out the invoicing as much as possible. So one of them was actually kind of cool, was it it tracked how many visits you have for that day, and it would automatically at midnight. On and actually collect all that what that was due for that day, send an email to your to your client, it was all auto invoicing to what was ever on the schedule, it would pull those numbers and send it as an invoice. And if they had auto pay turned on, it would automatically pay that bill. And they wouldn't even have to do that. That's like, okay, that's kind of cool. If you have auto pay turned on, I mean,

Brandon  15:23

yeah, if you don't click the box, then you still have to check. Still have

Collin  15:27

to go in every day and go to they have all these systems around, like auto invoicing and auto collecting and all this auto stuff. I

Brandon  15:36

mean, yeah, like, bro, like, you could just like, Pay Pal, me it boob done. Got it done. Easy bank? Well,

Collin  15:44

I know. I know it just. And so we know that we can't, we can't have that. Here's the other thing. We have developed a concept of from the medical field of charting each visit, right? So I, I keep I had operated when we were solo. I would keep a running update for my own personal notes about how the visit was going if anything changed, if I needed to look into any issues for each visit. And it was just this living, breathing document that we had that I have access to it all time.

Brandon  16:35

I I can't tell you.

Collin  16:39

Well, I can tell you there's exactly one software that has that capability that can and here's the key feature, because we have multiple staff working on every one of these. Yeah, that can be added to by other staff. I need the ability.

Brandon  16:56

Is it Google Docs? Is it just a Google Sheet? Is that what it

17:01

is? That was you just that?

Brandon  17:05

No. I mean, that's, you know, like, easy. Yeah.

Collin  17:12

So that was that was what I was, was getting ready to do. Right? It was actually start having a Google Doc for each client that had a shared drive this thing into the client profile. So that and we would update that way. Right. That's that's where I was headed with my brain. Unfortunately. Thankfully, we didn't have to go that route. And I don't know if we will end up doing that. But yeah, it was, it was it was really, really,

17:55

really interesting.

Collin  17:57

So we've got one more call tomorrow. I don't know how it's gonna go. But yeah, yeah, we have a list of 10 questions that are kind of like our make or break. And if we get those answers in the first three minutes, then they're answered. And we get off. Some, sometimes they keep saying things like, well, let me show you just one other thing. Oh, you're gonna they always

Brandon  18:19

do that. Oh, where's the salesman ship? It's awful. That's what problem they give you the sales director like or, or the founder, apparently, because they're trying to sell you. But like, one thing, here's another, here's crazy features, um, was the

Collin  18:47

face had said that there Oh, one person was like, Oh, you can? Do your, your staff can see the client information. I was like, great. And they said,

Brandon  19:00

two weeks. I was like, Ah, no.

Collin  19:04

And they said, Yeah, they can see they can see the client information when you assign them to a client. But once that visit is done, they can only see it for up to two weeks you can have that she was very excited about you can have an end that day. I was like, Why? Why would you cut on information to somebody? And yeah, like, you know, we

Brandon  19:25

have repeat clients, right? Well, anyway,

Collin  19:29

I asked my people to review things all the time, right. Like I saw, I said, why? She was like, Well, I mean, you wouldn't want them feeling client information or anything but you

Brandon  19:46

didn't know what to say. I was just

Collin  19:49

flabbergasted that

Brandon  19:50

number one that's on my lawyers for number two, like what, like

Collin  19:56

some of these software's were developed around like, how do I get have the staff just barely enough information for them to do their job and then take it away immediately cuz I don't trust any of them dirty, Rotten Scoundrels. You're like,

Brandon  20:08

Whoa, this is not healthy. That is there.

Collin  20:20

Something else? So the status of Yeah, that's the PetSafe software is Oh, and then

Brandon  20:30

at least 10 years out of date, as

Collin  20:32

well. And then the one we did today seemed to check all the boxes. And here's the other thing is that terms, Words have meanings for a reason. And you always have to double check to make sure that you're using the same words. So when I say, Oh, we want our clients to be notified when we get to their, to their, their home. What I'm actually trying to communicate is I want them texted with a with a notification that I'm there. I

Brandon  21:02

sent him an email. No, they did. They did. They're

Collin  21:05

like, Oh, well, you could turn on an email notification when you check in those email when you get there, like you grow. But some of them would say, Oh, do you have an app version? Like, oh, yeah, we've got an app first. Absolutely. It's an app first app version. What they actually meant was, it's a mobile web browser version. Oh, no.

Brandon  21:28

That's not that doesn't mean that.

Collin  21:30

No. And I said, and here's the thing. So they kept on saying, Oh, we've got a mobile first app. And I was like, mobile web browser app. And the great thing is, is one great thing, but like, they can't even receive notifications in the app, because it's non native.

Brandon  21:47

at all, it's not.

Collin  21:49

They don't get to when I send a message, they're gonna get an email. And then if they happen to be in the browser app, then they will see my message pop up there.

Brandon  21:58

Oh, Lord, it doesn't Oh, no, no, I mean, oh,

Collin  22:04

I was like, What on earth is happening with this? And then the one that we talked to this, this

Brandon  22:12

does sound like a lot of education, things like, wildly out of date concepts, like all but it does this? Like why would? Who needs that? That's like, somebody needed that, like, 12 years ago, maybe, but not now.

Collin  22:28

Yeah, yeah. Ah, when we talk to you today, sound like it was gonna be really good. But most of their features only work if you also hosted your website with them. And oh, which is? No, they also still didn't have to a communication. They're like, Oh, yeah, you can text your clients perfectly. And so I responded with what happens when my client respond to that text? Because they will. He was like, oh, no, it's nothing happens. They can

Brandon  23:01

point of the test. Because yeah, the word you're looking for is alert. That's what it's blank. Doesn't matter. Like, yeah. And that we're like that, like they want to send that text at the dentist office sends me like, notice that your appointment is blank day at this time. Like in that's not a text response. Nothing happens. Right? Now, they only want me to type see in response to confirm my appointment on this day at

Collin  23:31

this. Yeah, that is exactly the kind of system that that if they say we have text communication, that's what everybody has. It is a is a notification is like it's an alert via a text message. It's nice communication.

Brandon  23:47

This is fine from the dentist's office. My hair place does this. Right? Just so I don't, although they only like, recall a good appointment. And they like, send you a text immediately afterwards, reminding you about your appointment. You like that? Yeah, we now send it like the day before, what do you do? style?

Collin  24:12

Exactly. Guys got this wrong? Well, it breaks client behavior. Like we have spent four years now training clients on tech. Yeah, to behave a certain way. Yeah, certainly. I am not about to rip that from them. Because not only is it can be worth me, it's also convenient for them. They don't have to change anything about their lives at all. Yeah. That you don't really want your clients to have to like, download a

Brandon  24:39

bunch of stuff and do this thing. And bla bla bla bla,

Collin  24:43

that was the other thing of like to do. My clients have to download your app to make this work. And some of them are like, oh, yeah, they need to download the app. Because right now, when I send a booking link, when I send a booking confirmation, it's a text message with a little web link, and it pops up at Very light web page in the browser, and they can go click, click, click, and book and done. They don't have to download anything extra. They don't even have to set up a profile. They don't want to. They they book everything. And so it's very light touch. I'll say that. And even then I think it's still too heavy, heavy handed. Because it's like, I kind of almost envision this of wanting it to be like a hotel of like, I don't have to set up a client profile to go stay at a hotel, right? Like, nope, yeah, like, sure, I may need some more information. But like, you need to be able to just get in and out and not have to set a username and password and gross. Nobody wants to do that. I don't want to have a client call me and say, I tried to book but I can't because I don't remember my password. And I'm leaving right now. Like,

Brandon  25:53

like, yeah, that's not necessary, like, but

Collin  25:58

the the app or the one that? Basically they're like, Oh, we've got all this functionality and integrates with your website, you can always features if you let us host it. I was immediately turned off by that. Because as I told Megan, I said, Well, we have ours hosted by a third party, who who's who has a specific web hosting platform like that's their business. What happens if this particular company goes out of business? Or maybe let's just say they stop making the advancements in their software, as we are liking. Now am I'm not only looking for a new software company, I'm also looking for web hosting company at that, yeah. And too many eggs in one basket. Now they pitch it as like, if you do that, if you use 100% of all of their hooks, and all of their widgets and all of their integrations, I believe it is probably the best experience over any of the software's that we have seen and probably will see. But you have to let them sink all of their teeth into all of your business.

Brandon  27:07

Yeah, and if if they can't figure out that people want to send text messages. I don't really know about hosting websites, right. Like, I don't think that maybe there

Collin  27:22

won't be ice Eric qualified for this. Is it so Okay, so I've kind of played along. It's like okay, so we post on Squarespace. It has integrations

Brandon  27:34

for those the oh brother podcast, by the way. We're not sponsored yet. Hey. Right.

Collin  27:39

Exactly. We have integrations for email newsletters, and E commerce and all this other stuff that we have access to. You guys have access to that? Well, no, not yet. But it's on the

Brandon  27:51

product. Legitimately. What do you mean? Not yet. Squarespace has had that stuff like for

28:00

ever. Get off? What are

Brandon  28:04

you doing with your life that you

Collin  28:07

this? This is this is the problem when one all my skies? Everything. They're bad at it all, because they can't focus. And as I explained, as I was talking with negative like, does is it weird that we kind of have four to five different things and software packages? And what web things that we use to run our company? Sure. Would it be a much super superduper better experience? If it's all in one place? Definitely. But I am not reliant on one person, one company or my business to run an ad. I can Yeah, one thing out, you know, Squarespace does it work, boom, I can export my entire page and I can go go over to Wix or I can go over to

Brandon  28:54

somewhere else. Yeah, somewhere else, anyone else

Collin  28:57

without having to also unplugged every other aspect of my business. It's like this. I get so where I reject doing the like, all I'm doing is having everything involved. And that's just me. But that brought up a lot of thinking about reliance on one linchpin, or not just business but like for life as well of like kind of being able to build and compile and pull things together. makes you more resilient. When things go bad. You

Brandon  29:32

had a lot of fun today.

Collin  29:42

That's a software. Aaron. Have you? What kind of software packages have you been being demoed more recently?

Brandon  29:52

Oh, now just Google, Google Classroom stuff.

29:57

Are there are there software Practice for coaches? If so what what would that entail?

Collin  30:05

In like, sports,

Aaron  30:06

no idea to a lot of schools, and there's a program called huddle that you can upload like game film, stuff, watch it. And you know, you can break down film, you can do certain kinds of things with it, you can upload on this game, because then games on to other people, you can mark certain things with the game, tell me like, Oh, hey, this is, you know, top five favorite plays in a row, boom, boom, boom, and then you can get it on the app, or a tablet or computer. It's a little walkie on the phone, but that's how you can sell it, I was just gonna pull up the app and, and watch it. So

Brandon  30:53

like little things like that. I'm sure there's something else. But that's just what a lot of code out here uses a program called huddle. Next, there's also a bunch of like, random apps and stuff that you can use to like, like third party texting apps. So you have to like give your phone number to students or parents. We have right. I have to. I have one, which is Group Me. And then I have to remind me after football. Oh, yeah, it reminded me that's something I couldn't remember the names of, though, because we don't I know. But I know some people do. It's really nice. Because then parents can't like call you. Right? That no one wants that.

Aaron  31:39

Parent your phone number? Yeah, I definitely do that. A practice at this time, hey, we're doing this year, like, hey, you know, there's some way game for your white pants or whatever. So there's a few other things. The other systems like the school that I was previous that had its own, like school app, you could post things on there for kids and parents. Because it kind of made things a little bit easier. So you don't have to have like a whole group meeting just for the kids. And have one on like just for the parents. So make it make things a little bit

Brandon  32:15

more manageable that way. With with those two, but I have I need to get rid of the remind me enough, I don't really like it as much. Because I have the app. I have the app, but that somehow thinks the world has text messages sent to me as well. Like messages. The same thing if I turn that off, yeah, but I need I need to delete it anyway. Because my other my new school does use it. But I think I think we use the the group me one at least. So yeah, yeah, that's good. Those are good. Especially like, a lot of coaches use those because they just like send out instead of you know, Mr. Shannon used to send out flyers for band stuff. And then we would lose them. And that'd be like, hey, what time we got to be at school and you'd be like, I don't I don't know. It's just like, app where it will just like, the parent has to download the app. Right? But then like, blam, they just do it. Like we have one for the elementary that like we saw y'all get off the beginning of the year and then parents can message me right? They usually don't like hey, blog is gonna be gone today. I'm like, okay, cool. Like for that kind of stuff, but uh, yeah, you can like send out on mass messages and be like, hey, parent teacher conferences this week. Blam. Done and all parents get it and then we don't worry about it it's fine. Like it open house we do Hey, make sure you have this sign up for this thing. Okay, cool by like and then we give him a little paper do this so you can check out your student's progress. We'll post stuff on here and you can message me and go usually there's like one parent who will message me like very frequently not like all the time but like, moderately amount and then the rest of them are like, whatever. No. I'm fine with but

Collin  34:49

I was also going to ask Aaron how his your own air can have his has his own, like coffee sock update. Only with all sock I'm with involves coffee, and I would like to hear Aaron's progress so far.

Brandon  35:07

You making more Turkish coffee? Coffee socks. You don't see episode, coffee sock. Oh, I have a coffee sock update, by the way with this. And a true copy sock update. Okay, yeah, I had to retire it hit my shorter days, I had to retire the coffee sock because I've had it for almost two years now. And it does not work after that long. Okay, and so two years is to have to, yes, have to get a replacement. Other than that, okay, there's our coffee sock update. Coffee sock update is about just under two years. Can't can't handle that much. I started getting really full of like coffee oil. And no matter how much I cleaned it or boiled it, it wouldn't come out. So like, it would like overflow, and it'd be grounds like everywhere.

35:57

Oh, whole thing. So

Brandon  36:02

they go. Oh, Aaron. Yeah. So it was the vital shower this week. And we had the whole, you know, thing on the registry. You know, things like that. And one of the things that

Aaron  36:24

that I've like I've always just kind of wanted was an espresso maker. Right? So we got the littlest thing out there and like, hey, difficult to get expresso maker. And not only people like this up for bridal shower thing, a lot of her family showed up. And it was kind of nice. And one thing that we did get, which I was not necessarily expecting was an espresso maker.

Brandon  36:58

i We drink our coffee down here. We go to a lot of coffee, places for coffee purposes, and to save on money, but not live on money because I think we got someone got espresso maker. So I have been fiddling with that. And we went and got the crown stuff yesterday for this.

Aaron  37:27

Nothing too fancy because I just wanted to make sure that we get it right. And so all day because I didn't have to go down to school or anything and, and coach today. So I just practically fiddled around with it express on making today. And so it's just one of those cool fancy, fancy things. You put the grounds and little cup. And you let it let it heat up with the water go through it. And yada yada yada. And then I just give us a little little ice topping hand

Brandon  38:05

wired. Barista Aaron, so 37 cups of espresso later,

Collin  38:12

what kind of what kind of espresso maker isn't?

Brandon  38:19

The question, yes, it is to you, it is a

Aaron  38:32

day long, D L O N, E H, I discovered a little oil scoop, what you do is that you say, Look, that's the wrong way or you put water in the back of it. That's a little like, stone kind of thing where you put coffee into it, you smoosh it down and you put it into the thing and you prefer to heat up and just random over the dresser and then you just forward to whatever beverage you want. And I'm definitely gonna be making some in the morning and playing around with how much I put into it how little I put into it. Just kind of get that to taste because there's a you know, besides Starbucks, there's another little like, local coffee place that we go to.

Brandon  39:18

And it's good sensors. Surprisingly, a lot of people think it's like super expensive, but like, we can get a whole like two cups of coffee plus food and it's like 15 bucks, like two things and to do the same thing yet. One of the larger places like $25 So for us it's not too bad to go and get some bread now we just have our own little own little coffee thing to me. It was kind of nice in the morning because you know I don't drink black coffee, like at all. So yeah, just something Oh My sweet so when do you put it in? You know just drinking straight espresso? No so for me I like lattes like I like I like for me I do I gotta say milk and I you know I have a little bit of cold or the cold not I wanted to vanilla extract of it didn't have ones that like now the super good and so get vanilla extract so I put little like creamer stuff in it creamer than ice and then put the little espresso and then you can make cold like cold calm and put on top but I'm not that sushi. And so Michelle shapes you know not like I'm not anything but then yeah then just just whatever then BOOM you got yourself my topic nice to me no fancy

Collin  41:24

brand I take it you haven't been looking at software's or espresso makers.

Brandon  41:29

No, I'm not. Neither one of those things is true. I just been doing nothing at home. It's pretty great. Gearing up for the tour. On Friday. I'm getting excited. Now. Listening to Garrett Thomas

Collin  41:52

lie like oh, yeah, we're

Brandon  41:53

totally not going to do normal teams guy things like shut up,

Collin  41:57

get accepted as much as we are going to do.

Brandon  42:03

It. Yeah, can be amplified. So yeah, I haven't been doing anything near that exciting. Other than retiring the coffee sock after many long years of service just was too much.

42:17

So stay couldn't. Yes. Well,

Brandon  42:20

it's kind of sad. It was good. I lasted for the it just like went downhill like really quick. Like, I just started. Like not being able to keep up like it was too saturated with oil and stuff from all the coffee to like, let the water percolate through at a speed that was fast enough to like, like water was not dripping out fast enough to get rid of the water that was coming in. You don't mean? Oh, like in the drip coffee. Me, you got all the water dripping into the bottom? The drip rate was faster than the exit rate. Which is not good. No, right? It's definitely no. Okay, there's not a thing that you want to happen. So like, in the beginning, this wasn't a problem, right? For a long time, there was no whatever it was fine. But like it just like, finally gave out. I stay there because I had to write because they came in a pack of two. But like they did, there was two of them, I alternate every day. And then everyone's while you clean them, boil them in hot water because it boils the oil out, right? So you put them in the water and boil it and you get this like really weird, gross, oily water comes out. And you do that a few times. Till it kind of boils clear, and then you're good, right. But after a while, like there was no amount of boiling, they could get the water the oil out. And so you had this flow rate discrepancy, which would cause coffee grounds to like float up. And then like overtop the filter and then get into the little basket from there. And so you would like your pot would have just like ungodly amount of coffee grounds in it. And then like it would backfill into the reservoir. There'd be like coffee grounds floating in the reservoir back there because it would just like spill over the top just go everywhere, right? It was not good. So it would just be like a disaster like he tried to clean it out. And it's just like gritty mess everywhere. So yeah. Fun. Yeah. It's great.

Collin  44:44

So are you are you going to replace them? Do you have replacements in the mail or not? Yeah,

Brandon  44:48

we just bought some paper filters for now. And then we'll see. We'll yeah, see where we go from there with his boss flow discuss. We did however, Buy some like random like nice or coffee, like online, right? To put in said coffee pot. So we've been doing that instead. So I have a fancy coffee making machine. So we have some slightly fancier coffees instead of the folders that we drink on a normal for like weekends, right? Yeah. So like on Saturday, brew up some different stuff. And enjoy it. Yeah, that's been going well. Got some good stuff there. I got some stuff from airship coffee from Arkansas. Okay. Fill or something like that. That was really good. I really like that. It's just like, right. Coffee Roasters in Arkansas, you can just buy their stuff. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, I got some airship coffee. And I got some of the the LA cologne coffee that Todd Carmichael dude from like, Pennsylvania or whatever. Like crazy coffee guy. I got some of his stuff. So that's, that's really good to did that. That has been our coffee experience. Different coffees to put in thing, right. So and it was still drip coffee. Okay, fine. I can see but like,

Collin  46:24

you know, quality that goes a long way you could elevate Cup by doing a lot with just what goes in, right? If you don't, then you really can write amazing. Turns out when the

Brandon  46:39

rounds are better quality. Yeah. And they're like freshlyground. And like, because like the airship stuff. I think luck alone does this too. They just like a much, much larger company. Like airship they like to have like a roasting schedule? And then like, Yeah, you get it after they everyday roast like everyday, basically. Like, right away, but they'll roast it and then bag it in the thing and then ship it to you. Yeah. It's kind of cool. Right? And the luck alone does that too. There's really good. I like that a lot. That's the dude we talked about the dangerous guy. He had a show called Dangerous grounds on like, the trail channel. And he was like, traveling the world to look for like, his deal is like he's like the local like single source coffee guy, right? kind of thing where he's like, Yo, I'm going to pay like this dude, to buy his coffee only right? Like from this guy. Like single origin stuff. Not all this stuff is that way, but some of it is. Sure. And so the show was him like traveling to like, remote, like Mexico. Or like, crazy places in like Africa. Indonesia, like to look for coffee farmers and it was kind of intense. He would talk about things like yeah, sometimes it's best to sleep underneath your car instead of inside it because that way you can escape faster. I'm like, What's, like just casually dropping that knowledge? Like, you know exactly how to do that. I've done that before. Like, what? So that's been my coffee strings lately to forget it. I have also continued my watching of farming related shows on Amazon. I took a sidetrack slight sidestep into their secrets of the castle series. Yo, this series is fantastic. Oh, okay. So like, they filmed it at the Getty young castle in France. The one that they've been building for like 20 years. Right. Do you know about this project? Oh, okay. This is a project that I have been following sort of intermittently for a very long time ever since I heard about it. They have been building a 13th century castle and I think it's Gideon publica spell that. It's very French. Yeah, they just building a castle, a 13th century castle, Castle by hand. Like 13th century people. It's like an experimental archaeology project.

Collin  49:34

Oh, oh, I used to watch these to see these but they'd be like, oh, like right. I love these projects. When they do this. How would we build like a tribe each day or you know or these other devices from these older time periods but they're going away and building an entire they're doing the whole

Brandon  49:51

capital. Okay. And so by, by extension they have been doing like quarrying and blacksmithing and like, they've built a grain mill, and like a mill pond and like, sort of like the whole thing. Right? So this show is from a few years ago, where there, the castle was less far along, but like, they're talking about, like, how the walls are built. They're talking about like, the tiling process they do. They're like, mining the clay. Taking it to the Tyler, he making it he's like purifying the clay making it the tiles, they're firing it in this like 13th century style, kiln, there's like massive thing where they fire like 1000s of tiles at a time.

50:45

Like it's crazy. The

Brandon  50:50

the wicked so good.

Collin  50:52

The Wikipedia page as time series photos of a build over time. It's so cool. Oh my gosh, this is amazing.

Brandon  51:02

If you are even slightly like nerdily into like, a medieval European history. Maybe like I might be able. It's so cool, right? And they just talked about the stuff and you're like on the spot that and they're like, like the lady that Ruth lady. She's like, talks about like the food. They talk about, like what they would eat and like she like, prepares it and they show the little like hovel thing that people would have lived in like the brushes on the floor, and they build the little hearth inside and they cook on the thing and they iron and they cook and cook pot and all that stuff. Like she like went to the potter and they like made the cooking pots. And like the plates and stuff that you use at the house, you know, like no way. Yeah, it's they go through like all this stuff like that, to the blacksmith dude a lot. And like this dude is like on fire. There's like literally just like smashing out like all this crazy stuff, like hinges and nails and everything. It's really cool.

Collin  52:09

And so is that a? What's the plan for after it's done?

Brandon  52:16

It's like a museum, like a living museum? I think. I don't really know, because it's not done yet. But like, they are so far. Like, you can go there and tour it on certain days. Right? For the price of tour, right? Yeah, for the low low price of 14 euros. Oh, yeah. Right. Come on, let's go. You can't go to her it. And like, kind of, they show you around. And I think you can like do you might be able to use some of the things you can like help do stuff like not like big stuff, right? Like but like, kinda like they have like, you have Colonial Williamsburg is kind of set up where people are like making food and like making clothing and it's kind of like that Colonial Era Virginia. I think it's kind of like that, but for like 13th century France right, it's kind of like, kind of like a what? Leaking land or whatever in Illinois, you know, how they had all the stuff and you could like, they had all the cabins and everything. That'd be it's just kind of like a museum. There's like people there kind of like showing how you live and stuff. But like, it's like that, but 13th century which is Brad.

Collin  53:38

I am fascinated by this.

Brandon  53:40

Dude, it's so good. There's only like six episodes, which is not enough episodes.

Collin  53:45

I'm building.

Brandon  53:47

Yeah, no, way more. They were talking about like painting and decorating. Which I was like, like, I knew this. I like it register. Like the inside of a castle wouldn't just be like rock. Sure. Like I know this, because I've read it. But like, whenever you see this castle, and they have like, plastered and live the walls, and then like, painted stuff on it for like decoration, but you're decorating. You're like, Oh, that

Collin  54:20

looks really cool. Yeah, that's something that you would anticipate because you don't do that.

Brandon  54:27

Well, that's what they talk about. They they talk about like most castles, you see our ruins of a castle. Turns out and so like there's more going on here than like

Collin  54:39

yeah, they don't. Not all like

Brandon  54:42

Yeah, so it's really cool to see like the roofs on the little buildings and all this stuff like that. Like it's really cool. The show was really great. You should like watch it. It's like they're all our episodes, but they like fly by like really fast like poof, done. Okay, and you see all the cool castle building stuff. What a good COVID What is it all? I saw it on Amazon Prime but like I think it's on YouTube for see it's called Secrets of the castle and it's that Gideon Castle project in France which is really cool. Their website is really cool. You can kind of like look at some stuff and there's lots of cool stuff online about it. But yeah, like those interior pictures on the website that was the stuff they were shown on episode I was doing they were doing that on episode I watched today. So there's like, like leaves and like, vines and like stuff on the walls or like decoration. In some of the rooms like the bedchamber rooms. They were showing that on the episode of watch today, which really cool. Okay, and they were talking about how you like, get the ochre make the pigments and create the paint and like, do all this stuff. Like they were showing all the steps. He had nothing to do this was really cool. Like, again, I knew this, but like, seeing them do it really you'd like registered it in my brain that like oh, yeah, Ochre is in clay. Right. And when the Potter is digging up the clay, they just like, Oh, here's some ochre blam. And they throw it to the side and then they go give it to them. Pigment lady and she's all crushing up and grinding it up and like heating it to make it slightly different colors of Galilee brown right to read. It's partly taken. Yeah. Yeah. And then they're going in painting the inside of this castle. It's brand new. Okay. Now they have one episode left. I'm very sad. Like, no, I want to watch more of this castle.

Collin  56:54

How to list off right now.

Brandon  56:57

It's good, man. It's real good. So that's what I've been doing. It's watching that. Like, I don't know, I think it made me think about like, how I think being history nerd ruins some other things for me, right? Because like when I see that, and I'm like, super excited about it and how cool it looks. Right? And then I watched, like, the Wheel of Time, and I see the interior design and like, yeah, it doesn't, doesn't really look as cool as like, real castles. It looks like wrong, right? You like, you know how wrong it looks? Because you're a nerd and you like, into the staff thinks for a little bit. Sometimes you can suspend this disbelief, but like it's a contributing factor sometimes. Yeah, it's really cool. So that's what I'm doing. Being a history nerd. is great. Yes.

Collin  58:02

It's that's the part of history that is there's the there's the boring part of history of the on this date this happened. Right? That's the boring Yeah,

Brandon  58:23

I don't like that stuff, either.

Collin  58:25

Nobody likes but the How did it happen? What were societal developments? Like our things produced? What did what was the comings and goings of the people in this area. Like, all all that part is the actual exciting bits. And, but that's the hard stuff. That's the hearts of that put together and then to convey that in a way that is consumable by other people can't just go out and just build all kinds of castles in the sand. No, right? Or like, like, no one's gonna go out and go, You know what we need to we, in order to capture the imagination of the world, we're gonna re rebuild the Great Pyramid right next to it, right? Like nobody's ever like it's

Brandon  59:21

true. Yeah. Like, it's just that stuff that you like, take for granted. And like, see it? I don't know. I think it's one of the things I've read about a lot. You know, but then when you see it happening, it's like, whoa, that's really cool. This is really interesting. So I've been nerding out over that. Thinking about that. And then that yeah, talking about they did talk about like siege weapons like that episode where they like, showed the process of making a crossbow and like how You would have to like, it's kind of interesting thing about you have like, five or six different pieces that come from five or six different like specialty. People like the bowyer the carpenter, the blacksmith, that string maker guy, right, like, and then somebody's job is to just sort of like, pulling together. Right? Like, it was a very, it was a kind of reminder of like things, like, came from specialty places, and then we're all put together someplace else, right? Like, kind of interesting to see that process, how it happens. And like all that stuff, and like even the simple stuff like, hey, we need to make a new rope for our well. Right? Like, even that process is cool. Like, intrinsically, I know how to make a rope, right? Like I understand how it works. But like, watching people make a rope is very interesting to me. Well, let's see how it actually works. Yeah, I see things like that. There are,

Collin  1:01:03

there are times now where I look at the kind of the society that we live in. And I go, and there are some people who have some really weird kind of esoteric jobs, right, or roles in society. And then I think back to how that's always been the case

Brandon  1:01:22

of like, yeah, right, like really nice jobs,

Collin  1:01:26

these jobs of like, oh, I don't actually make the rope. But I go and I gear I gathered the hemp, or I, you know, like, just the chain of things that go into making the final product. And now somebody is involved all along the way, making a living way to working their craft to make that final thing, and then you go, Okay, well, we're not so different these days.

Brandon  1:01:50

Yeah, I think that's the other thing that's really interesting about it. Like, it's like, sort of grounding your perception of History. Right? I think that's important. Because we have a lot of, like, misconceptions about the past, that people just sort of like, take his fact, or like, half truths. And you hear people just sort of like, say random things, and you're going, what, what are you talking about? Because they don't have the full concept. Right? They haven't don't like the full picture. Right? And it's hard to have the full picture of 700 years ago, right? Turns out, you know, it turns out like we don't like they were talking about, like, a lot of this stuff is experimental. And they're kind of looking at some surviving things. And they kind of have to, like, imagine the gaps and try to figure it out. And even with, like, one of the episodes they're talking about, like cooking. Right? And she was like, talking about like, oh, yeah, there's a, you know, we don't really know what normal people would have eaten. We know they had access to these foods. Yeah, so I made this. Yeah. And so it was like, you know, she was like talking about this stuff. And she's like, we know that they had a lot of these ingredients. And you probably just put it in, you know, if you're living in a small house with a little hearth fire, and you only have like, you're gonna put as much as you can in like a pot and cook it all together. And so she made basically 13th century pork and beans, is what it looked like, you know what I mean? Like,

1:03:34

Hey, look there

Brandon  1:03:42

not so different after all, right? That sometimes, like,

Collin  1:03:46

food is so incredibly hard to because it is a mixture of what people have access to what tools they have, what the history you have, what culture is pouring into them, and influencing them and exposure to different varieties and Bs.

Brandon  1:04:00

And then back in those days, like nobody was writing down recipes. Right, right. Yeah. It was just, like, handed down or like, you just learn how to make it for somebody, and then boom, that was it. And so like, trying to reconstruct what it was, is like, really weird. You know, because you have some records, but only have like, big feast days. You know, like, sometimes they would like somebody would paint but they would only paint like a feast at like the Kings banquet.

Collin  1:04:38

That's what I was just about to point out is that the records you do have are a wee bit skewed.

Brandon  1:04:45

They're very bias, right? So you can't be like, Oh, yes, everybody in 13th century was eating this. Like, look it out. Well, that King ate that. Yeah, so Oh, like days were around, but like, who was eating it? Right? Right? Because you have to remember feudal society is different. And the rules are different, right? Which is like, so it really makes this this is a thing that gets misconstrued a lot. And it kind of drives me crazy every time I hear it, right. That's a chain of topics to wildly but like, you hear these people talking about like, oh, well, we have to eat this because this is what our ancestors ate. And that's all they say. Uh, huh. You like that? When? Which ancestors are you talking? Yeah, yeah, we are with you. If you ever get on Tik Tok. If you haven't talked or on YouTube, I would highly recommend looking at a guy called Liberty. Dude, that dude is insane. No, he's exactly who I'm giving out about right now.

1:06:04

Yeah, name call. Yeah.

Brandon  1:06:05

I wasn't gonna drop column. I need you to Google.

Collin  1:06:11

Deliver King. No, what's weird here is that I too have experienced liver King in my like, eleventeen like, milliseconds on tick tock like he was one of the first ones popped up. Why are you

Brandon  1:06:24

this is one example of this phenomenon. Maybe the most extreme example. But like, yeah, he's like, our ancestors ate raw meat. Right now, like I don't

Collin  1:06:39

I love about these people. And he's, he's particularly interesting, because he's like, I'm gonna suck bone marrow. I'm going to eat like everybody. And then I'm going to go run through a pond with the you know, 300 pounds of chain wrapped around my neck because that's what my ancestors what Wait, wait a minute. No, they didn't do that. Or, or like, he's basically just a CrossFit dude who doesn't like

Brandon  1:07:06

is right. Like not to like slander, but like. Okay, most extreme example, you think about current hunter gatherer tribes. Right? Africa. Amazon, like Indonesian rainforest, Borneo, right. Current current humans that are alive right now that subsist on hunter gatherer lifestyle. 0% of them are that muscular? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So like, stop banging the roids my guy, like, you look like the ultimate warrior in the 80s. Alright, stop telling me the bone marrow get out here

Collin  1:07:49

is is the realization of hunter gatherer societies have have a lot of other things to do. Like, I don't know, hunt and gather. And well, and all these other jobs we

Brandon  1:08:02

were just talking about with the castling men making baskets, right? Like, they're not making rope around

Collin  1:08:10

pounding down raw egg and then going out and lifting a truck. It's like, that's not a job they have. Yeah, unrealistic.

Brandon  1:08:18

I think this is a misrepresentation of like, what people and society is right, because like, first of all, sticking with him, like, I don't know what ancestors you're talking about. Because evidence of cooking fires is a very, very, very, very, very old thing. Like we have evidence of cooking fires from like, ancient people, like pre historic people. We know they were cooking on fires in dwellings. We know this. Okay, don't come at me. And tell me you have to eat raw meat and no vegetables. Okay. Do you know what was in? Oh, let's see my boy. Otzi the Iceman stomach when they found him on that glacier in Italy or whatever? Yeah, meat and grain. Okay, so if Bronze Age dude, is eating processed grain is bread and meat together. You cannot tell me to never eat any grains or vegetables. Stuff it? Yeah, people were very opportunistic. omnivores from a very long core reason, like teeth check. Like I was gonna say yeah, if we think biologically, look at your mouth and what kind of teeth you have. There, go done. Yeah. But also, I think we're really misrepresenting what hunter gatherer society was. Right? If you think about this, like, were these cultures practicing modern Western farming? Like we think about it like before that type of farming that originated in like, Mesopotamia, right, with the agricultural revolution, like, we're all cultures, doing large scale mono crop farming. No. But where are they most likely seeing where plants naturally occurred? And then helping those plants to grow more in that area. So they knew where food was? Yeah, yes. Right, most likely, this is a thing that happened, right? Cultivating what occurs naturally in the environment, not stripping away, clear cutting a forest and planting corn. Okay. Like, seeing like, hey, I can eat this plant. I'm gonna make sure that more of this plant grows here. So that I can come back and eat it later. This is probably what's happening, right, like plant husbandry more than farming, right? Yeah. And so like, I think to say, like, oh, they didn't farm, therefore, they didn't eat plant is very detrimental. And like very misrepresenting a group of people that had a much more sophisticated method of survival than we know about and give them credit for. Right? I think you lose a lot of the story of humanity, if you just like, say things like, oh, yeah, they just like, randomly pick berries in and kill the mammoth. Like, what was no.

Collin  1:12:11

There there losing, again, that the context within which that individual was existing, and the why that diet was the way it was, again, these weren't people who were living in an extremely modern society where they could go, and do, you know, they weren't eating this way to shoot a tech talk to then go out and be a public speaker. They were, there's a lot wrapped up into this, this mode, and the technologies that they had available to them,

Brandon  1:12:45

and the

Collin  1:12:48

constraints that were on their lives, and how they functioned and what their roles were like, it really is a very myopic and narrow view of what was happening in the past. Yeah,

Brandon  1:13:01

I have like a really nuanced thing. Right? And like, if you want to eat beef liver, I don't care doesn't hurt me, whatever. But like, you can't tell me that that's the best way because your quote, ancestors did it. Right, right. Like that. That doesn't make sense. Like you, it's so vague, like, as a person who is a history enthusiast, like, I'm not gonna say like, historian but like a history enthusiast, right? Like, I need to know like, which ancestor he's talking about. Right? But even if you're talking about our 13th century castle building buddies, right, they're not eating from meat. Right? So people are cooking food, their number one cooking like preserves food, and if you know that, but food preservation is like an important thing. So that you know, you have more later. So like food preservation, long term survival, you can't just like kill a thing and eat a whole like if you are hunting, if you hunt a deer, and if you can't a deer can you eat that whole entire deer before it goes bad? Without cooking it? Negative? Yes, right. How big is a deer Aaron? I don't hunt. I need expert opinion. Oh I mean, like average size. Oh, typically, like dough can be anywhere like Id like 100 pounds. A buck can be maybe 120 But then yeah, it's been a while since I've shot one. You know how long it's been since I've shot one is never the one I got last year. Why? Maybe like 100 pounds instead of 100 bucks. But yeah, so, I mean, depending on where you are, some of them are skinny, some of them are really big deer, you know,

Aaron  1:15:14

I know that's kind of one thing that people talk about is that like, depending on like, where you're hunting and like what you're hunting a deer in Texas is going to be different than like a deer in like Colorado. Oh, yay. Is because you have like struggle. And so, yeah, so it means just kind of the band, but maybe 100 pounds 120 depending? Okay,

Brandon  1:15:33

you actually get one. But I mean, yeah, go on. That don't do it. So I don't know. Like, what I'm like, that's a lot of food. Right? If you're killing something that like, I'm assuming we're talking you feel dressed weight, like after you get rid of the intestines and stuff? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So add, you know, some more pasture that but like, that's a lot of meat to have. Right. And so if you're going to keep that, you generally are going to cook it in some way. Smoking, curing, pumping, right? To the preserve it. And so you have it, and ration it and eat it with, you know, other things to make it go longer. That's why they did this. So I think like, you're losing a lot of nuance about people. That's like saying, like, to take it back to the medieval things like when people say things like medieval armor was so heavy that knights couldn't stand up if they fell down. Like what? That doesn't even make sense. Why would they wear it? If that's how bad it was? I mean, you're, you're missing some narrative here. Yeah, you're losing context. We'd understand what you're talking about. Again, first of all, when are you talking about? Medieval thing is it's a very long time, right? To be real, like 1100 to like, you know, 1600 is a long time.

Collin  1:17:09

Yeah, like you said, of going there. These people weren't. They weren't not thinking about these issues.

Brandon  1:17:17

And the work done.

Collin  1:17:18

They were you know what I mean? Obviously, if there was an issue of them falling down and not being able to stand back up, they would be trying to solve that. Yeah, they'd be working on that. Come up with different alternatives. They weren't just like, well, I guess that's Oh, it is anyway. Yeah.

Brandon  1:17:36

Because the point of having armor is to, you know, not die. So a pretty big flaw would be to not be able to move. But again, this is something you know, they heard it. And then they just like, repeat it, you know, I mean, II saw one example of like, 15th century tournament armor, which is heavier than normal armor. Right. Yeah. Because it's only for jousting tournaments. Only. It's like specially designed sports armor. So it's like, it is more reinforced, because you know, what you don't want to do in jousting. Die. Like, you know, you have your, you've lost the context, you've lost the thread, and you just have like, a fact that you're clinging to, that you just have and you don't have the context for the rest of it. And it really just sort of like, cheapens everything makes it less cool. Like you're not giving credit to these people that were like doing these really incredible things. doing cool stuff. Making sweet castles out of just random sandstone, you know, like, yeah, cooking or food, you know, you know, little things like that. Because, you know, also parasites are a thing in cooking your food, helps to make them not be a thing. Important.

Collin  1:19:18

Yeah, it's, again, but this is where those things are going. Being being a history nerd is important, because you can look at these, you can contextualize them, you can place them in their proper order in place in history, and actually learned something legitimate from them, versus them just being like a freak show to kind of pass by and run away from in horror. It is going no, there's actually useful stuff here is actually a good reminder of the mirror with which history is to reflect on our current day. And, and be better be different. And, again, do something with that versus is just, this is the one thing and BOD. I don't know. I just like more well rounded approaches.

Brandon  1:20:08

Yeah, no, I agree. Like. Yeah. And to see, like, you can see the thread, right? Like even in the castle show, you can start to see the thread of like, a Ha, like there's a part where they're doing a thing, and the guy is making a pulley. Right? He's making a pulley for the well as what they're doing, like the very first episode. Spoiler he's making, he's making a pulley for a well, oh my gosh. But he's like, he's talking about it. He started about the wood. And then he like, throws it up on this thing. And it's like us 13th century lathe. Right? Yeah. And you're, it's like super rudimentary. You know, it's like, the thing, I can't remember what the thing is called, when you stick it to the thing that you're going to leave, but like, you know, you spindle thing. Stick it on there, wrap a rope around it, put it on, like a springy thing and kind of like, start trembling with your foot and making it move. And then he's tooling it down into the shape of a pulley, you know, and this is like, super early machine that we still have lading is still a thing. Right? Like, if you go into any machine shop, they're gonna have one of wood shops, a lot of them have them, you know, like, this is a theme that still exists, and it still works fundamentally the same. You just don't like power with your foot, you know what I mean? Like? It's, it's, the threat is there. So being able to kind of see this progression and like, see, like you said, the mirror of the past and like, you can see where things come from, and how things have improved. And you can think about how to make them even better how to move forward. Other stuff. Like nobody looked at a lave, in 13th century France. And we're like, Yes, this is the pinnacle of all lathes. Never, shall we? Shall we improve upon it? You're gonna do it like this forever? Like, no, one THINK, THINK they did that? Didn't sounds works. Look at that. In the first couple of episodes, they spend a lot of time in the like the crane thing. It's like, a big giant hamster wheel that people walk in to pull the rope up the castle to load bricks to the top of the walls. Oh, sure. Right. Yeah. You know, that's what they did they have this. It's really cool looking. I really kind of want to do that. But nobody looked at that and went, Yes. This can never get better. Right? Yeah, this is exactly we're gonna keep it this way, forever. Because that's how our ancestors did it. Now, like, you know, it

Collin  1:23:35

really too often we do look back at history, and we go, how quaint. That's all they had, like, we don't think of they were trying, they were actually innovating. They were going through an iterative process in these things. I think that's usually because we, we don't, again, don't do that context, we only can see and understand where we currently are in our day and age. And when we look back, and then we go, Ah, well, obviously, we're so much better than them. They look at everything that we have. And they did. And those poor suckers.

Brandon  1:24:12

Yeah. How dare they not have electricity? I know like, Oh,

Collin  1:24:15

what was he doing wrong? Like, wait a minute.

Brandon  1:24:21

Yeah, that's very fair. Think.

Collin  1:24:26

But maybe that's mostly because we don't. Most people don't even think about where we currently are. In our, in our data. Right. We don't we don't give a lot of retrospective, or even I'll say introspective time to modern society, or modern innovation, beyond the fact that that we have them and we enjoy them. And so because we aren't looking at our current status with a critical eye Not so much from the societal and cultural things, because I think that's where a lot of people focus, but just like the tools, things, the stuff, the reasoning behind

Brandon  1:25:08

why they do things, they do focus on the societal and cultural things, but like, oftentimes, it's the wrong thing. It's like, oh, so and so it, the Grammys wore this and that's not helpful. But like just like, that unhelpful, cultural thing.

Collin  1:25:31

That's a good point,

Brandon  1:25:32

although fashion is important, culturally, but, you know, yeah, how to use your stuff. You know, other things to write. Why, and the tendency to look at things is like, just the snapshot only. Right? Like, just as one minute moments, and not any other context surrounding it whatsoever. You know, what I mean? Like, ah, like, this computer, right? Like, not necessarily thinking about the three inch floppy disk that came before. Or, you know, the other stuff like that, when you pick up your phone, you're not thinking about the switchboard operator from yesteryear, that had to, like, physically plug you into a different person. You call them right, like, and seeing this progression of how it moved from that to this thing that we have now, like, seeing that person, and you need just a slightly bit more than just one snapshot, right? Maybe like a series of snapshots laid in order, right? Because, like, there's a theme of progress, right? Where you can just look at like one piece and say, That's it. We should never move past this one thing. Ever. Come on, it's like I have all right, like, my Oh, yeah, it's time to finally get my oxygen. Oh, boy. That's just what I need. No, come on. Well, why why bother? Nobody? Nobody? Yeah, besides love, my oxygen is so cool. And that's why the shows I think I'm enjoying watching them is because you can like see the thread. And you can see like, when you in the Victorian farm one, when you're watching them plow the field with like the horse or the oxen or whatever. You can see where it's going. Right? You can see, you can look at that. And then you can look at like a modern day tractor. And you can see that there are very many similar things. Right. But there's also some extremely major differences, like, you know, tractor and satellite navigation, you're not just like looking at a horse being like, left a bit. Like you're plotting an exact line. Free corn, you know? You're like, fighting a weird ox because it's going too far to the right, like it's it's gonna mess up where your corn goes. So

Collin  1:28:31

dirt, dirt, dirt and corn. It's true.

Brandon  1:28:34

I'm enjoying this. I'm enjoying my time off is being a history nerd. to highly recommend secret to the castle keep Bosch? Hey, it's good stuff.

Collin  1:28:45

I think I think this is morphing into a challenge of kind of, I mean, I don't know you're right. You're basically already watching all of these kinds of things. I mean, what I mean, I

Brandon  1:28:55

don't have anything to do for July I have to watch cycling. And history shows and play. Forza racing games have to do that. So,

Collin  1:29:08

you know, I'm thinking, I think we may need to consider what about like watching one of these shows? Maybe some takeaways are things like I don't know. Like, I think that'd be fun to do.

Brandon  1:29:24

Let me know which one, the next one I'm gonna watch is the tutor monastery farm. That's next. Gonna move roughly chronologically

Collin  1:29:32

through time. Yeah, okay. Well, that'd be fun. We'll we'll discuss more offline and do something with that. Good. Wonderful, well, look, thanks. Watch. Learn from Erin. Trying to unwind from your espresso mania stru. Look forward to you running the coffee bar at your wedding. Yes important. It will be exciting and Alright

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