two different sized boxes

Collin is Busy. Like….busy busy. While we wait for Aaron to join, Brandon and Collin have a conversation about doing vs dwelling and being emotional thinkers. It’s good stuff. THEN Aaron joins us on mute. But his voice is eventually heard. He had a burger. PLUS…Shana recommends “The Outsiders”.

  • BUSY BUSY

  • Science jokes 

  • Consequences?

  • Very eager to START something

  • Doing vs Dwelling

  • Emotional thinkers

  • Two different sized boxes

  • Aaron is MUTED

  • Technical fun stuff! 

  • Aaron's voice is HEARD!!

  • Brandon uses a spoon to make a PB&J….

  • Jelly fav?

  • Aaron’s week

  • Aaron and Shelby went trekking 

  • Vista Burger

  • Going virtual - printing packets 

  • The Outsiders...read FIRST CHAPTER

  • Shana recommended

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SPEAKERS

Collin, Aaron, Brandon

 

Collin  00:05

Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast of three brothers. Trying to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon, Colin and Aaron. On this week's show, two different sized boxes. Hello.

 

00:30

Alright, there's a little,

 

Collin  00:32

maybe a million things. There's a lot going on to still have to edit the other podcast episode after we get done with this one for tomorrow's release in that

 

00:46

beautiful busy week. busy.

 

Collin  00:48

Busy, busy, busy. But yeah, we're trying to build up you're talking I can't take notes.

 

00:58

Yes, because this is the part of the show that we need to take notes on. Yes, of course.

 

Collin  01:06

Get the thing pulled up, you know, what's in the show is in the show. Right? That's

 

01:13

true. Ladies and gentlemen. They love the uncut nature of this. Yes, that's just

 

Collin  01:25

true. I mean, you see that, like, that's true. It's not a thing. I

 

01:31

mean, it is a thing. It's alright. No worries. So let's hear about this. week you as you all have a tizzy.

 

Collin  01:39

Oh, well, um, we, Megan's folks are up this week. And so we are seeing them we are running with the kids everywhere. And it's been just just like, just constant, constant stuff has been packed on top of one another. And which hasn't happened in a very long time. And we like, just barely, I barely survived this past weekend, which was just absolutely obscene. With the number of dogs we had prepare for a random weekend in September. So it's not even like a holiday weekend or anything. No, but that's, that's this is where we're getting into this. This mode where like, every weekend, we get like 10 or more requests. It's insane. Good grief. And I was told Megan, I was like, I am very scared of the holidays. of, of like, the real holidays actual, like this coming weekend, we've got 123456 Don't be seven. And I'm doing drop ins on some other dots. Like, this weekend. Why this week? What are you doing? Why were all you people going? I don't know. Like, what? They're just like, peace out. That's so I know what they can be. I don't I don't know. I mean, people do things. Not everyone's like me who's just like weekend,

 

03:13

sit on the couch. Absolutely.

 

Collin  03:21

So like, I don't, I don't understand this. This, like, need this desire to be like, I've got to get away. Like, I'm good here. I just want So yeah, no, I totally understand. So it's just been been busy with that. And today was the kids birthdays. Okay, yeah, that was birthday day. Or Lilian will be on Thursday. So just having you know, having guests in town, you need to be entertaining them and doing stuff and spin, shuffling and moving things around. So we haven't really had any time to do my normal stuff during the day after, which is you know, which kind of throws your you off, but that's part of it. Right? That's why we're trying to have some systems in place. Oh, update on the total number of people who have applied to a dog walker position in Springfield, Missouri. Drumroll, please. Oh. 93. Hi, Mike. nine, three, I can't talk about Being so overwhelmed is I pull that post down for a minute, right? let it breathe, simmer just a wee bit. Um, it is so overwhelming i would i did not have in line, but I didn't, I did have a lot of stuff set up this process, the big one being managing the different states that each applicant is in. Right? Like I, all of a sudden it was like, how do I differentiate? How do I personally call in know whether, you know, john is a solid, liquid or gas. Right? Exactly, exactly. Right now I'm just getting kinetic plasma or plasma, or plasma that can't forget my plasma. Sorry, science teacher here. Hello, continue. But how do I know where they are in this process? Have they just applied? Have I responded to them? What have I responded with? Did they get the first round? Have they then responded to that first round of questions? So whenever I have an email from john, is that his first email is that a second? I'm out, I have to track all

 

06:17

this stuff. That's true spreadsheet time, baby, he time

 

Collin  06:21

to broken up breaking that spreadsheet. Because like we're hiring through indeed, and it has some stuff of like, but they just have things like whether you declined them whether you're interested, or whether you're moving forward.

 

06:34

And they don't have like a date application was submitted? Well, they do like okay, so they

 

Collin  06:39

applied on the 20th plate on 20th. Okay, it on the 11th applied on the 10th. But then, like messaging wise, like, I've got to remember, like, where do I get a random message? Where is this single person in my process? Because I've got four steps to right, they've got the initial application, then I move a subset from that on to follow up questions. They have a subset on from that. And then in phone interview, then I'm gonna move a subset on from that from an in person at to an in person interview. And then from some set, I will hire. I didn't have any of this.

 

07:14

Holy cow.

 

07:17

And so like,

 

Collin  07:19

I think, yeah, but also I wouldn't have expected 93 applicants either. That's nuts. Oh, man. Exactly. That's quite a spreadsheet, every single person that we pay every single person who's applied, like, yeah, I've got to all of a sudden, figure out, oh, sorry, every single person who we talked to about hiring, said, Oh, it's really slow. I can't find anybody. It's a real slog, and blah, blah. And so when we posted this, we were seriously like, we better get this out there. Because it's going to be like two months before we can find a single person or we get enough. So to have 93 people apply. And I was just like, what, what is what is going on here. And so of those 92, we have rejected 88 ad, or other say, three rejected ad. And we have sent, one person actually just applied a moment ago. So we've sent 12, follow up questions, a phone or a phone interview, requests requests, and then we'll see. That's interesting. We're trying to do stuff, like I'm not trying to do like, got your questions. But Well, yeah,

 

08:45

but

 

Collin  08:46

I am trying to do things like, do they follow directions? So the very simple one was, hey, like, so after they applied, and we reviewed them, like, we rejected a lot of that, but then we were like, Hey, we appreciate you submitting your application, please answer these 15 or these 12 questions. And when you do, please email us. And the subject line needs to be joining the bunch. Whatever, right, like, little thing, how many people send us an email and just didn't do that?

 

09:16

Like most of them, right?

 

Collin  09:19

A lot of people or you know, we had one we had one of the questions was like, it's I think we talked about this, like, how do you make a peanut butter jelly sandwich? Again, it's ridiculous, but had some people just like, either, like, not answer it, or one lady just wrote with a knife. And that's all she wrote. Like, you are terrifying, like, what, what is going on here? And so this last round, where we said, Hey, we'd like to schedule an interview or phone interview. Here are four days with four times, pick one and spring citizen a written response to the question Where do you see yourself in five years. to like, not try again, not trying to be any gotcha or whatever or be hard about this, but those kinds of details really matter. I mean, yeah, I mean, I teach my sixth graders to use the subject line, right? Like, you know, we talked about what that is, yeah, like, hey, make sure you put something here. So the person you're emailing knows what in the world this is. Right. Exactly. Well, and because the number of it kinda reminds me of that exam that we took in what fourth grade that was like, Oh, yeah, we read all of the direction at blah, blah, right?

 

10:45

And then the last questions like,

 

Collin  10:46

turn your paper over, because you're, you know, I just have to do anything. Write your name at the top and turn your paper over, right? Yeah, put you at the top of the paper. And yeah, I was damming 17 holes in it with my pencil in the upper right hand corner. Yeah, I didn't.

 

11:02

And I should find one of those to give the kids I bet they haven't done.

 

Collin  11:07

So much follow up here. So I'm not trying, again, not trying to be mean or anything. But the number of times where a client writes out directions, and they give the most important part at the end. Like it's the very last thing. Yeah, right. Or, like the key to the way you mix their food is at the very end. Like, you just just have to take a minute, read everything before you start. And that's we're trying to try and get people who do that. Because it just, yeah, so many things can come from that because even the smallest thing boy, like, we had some dogs staying with us, Tony and Malaya, they're great dogs. Not really instructions by them. But just attention to detail we gave them they came with a brand new unopened bag of treats. And we don't really we're not very heavy treat people with dogs anyway. But we're like, Okay, well, you've been with us for four days, let's go ahead and give them a treat. We gave him a treat. And Sunny, like, I don't wanna say he was on death's door after it. But it was bad. I mean, there was blood in his stool. He was vomiting. All the cow gums went pale. And it was one of those bacon bits or I can't believe it's bacon or not bacon or whatever. Yeah. And it's because it has a high fat and pork content. And apparently, news to me. I mean, I heard this but I didn't think apply it to these specific treats. Dogs have a very hard time digesting pork. And specifically when it's with a couple other things, it just so happens that this exact formulation has like killed the dogs who are extremely sensitive to it. What a handy formulation to keep on track there. Wow, guys, geez, whoa, wait, I did not know that dogs didn't like, like, couldn't handle pork. I was not aware that was on the list of things dogs ought not be eating well, apparently it has to do with like, you know, I know people give him like a pork chop or something like that. But when it's processed and with other stuff, like, that's where it gets dangerous. And so okay. And because usually it's so highly processed, it's bad anyway. And then climbing. Yeah. You asked for all of the dyes and all this stuff's like raw, like the meat meat is. Okay. Okay. And small. No, don't

 

13:31

eat raw pork that No, don't do that.

 

Collin  13:32

I didn't say raw. I

 

13:33

said, I'm kidding.

 

Collin  13:37

Yeah, it was like, if you gave that treat, and he was literally one of them, was one of it. He was, I mean, I was loading him up after we watched him the rest of the day. And it kind of went down, down down. By the next morning, I was loading him up into the car to go take him to the vet. Because I was like, this is this is this is bad. I called the vet, talk through what things are going on? And they're like, yeah, throw those away. He should be fine. Just if it continues, you know, let us know. Yeah. It's like, you know, if you just suffer as a person who's taking care of pet if you just give them something, and then move on, and aren't paying attention, or whatever, like, attention is so important. And this isn't a podcast for pet sitters. But it's podcast, just in general life. Like I, I, it's hard for me to understand people who would do something who would put put a ball into motion, and then step away and pretend like it didn't happen and not look for consequences of it. I think I think part of that has to do with, you know, where we're always very eager to start a thing.

 

14:50

Right? Yeah, I

 

Collin  14:51

mean, like, that's the exciting bit. Right, the starting something new and in my experiences in the past With school, you know, I have a meeting with the superintendent soon because he's new, right? He wants to meet everybody. And then because I am me, and the universe hates me, I got an email today be like, Oh, actually, my, you're supposed to tomorrow, I'm actually I need to reschedule your meeting. So first of all, that's just a side note of like, every time I do this, like, they asked me, here, I provide all these times for people to come see me. I sign up for a time, like, actually, No, that doesn't work for me. Anyway, that's an aside. But that's the thing that like in in just being in a school for so long, that's the thing that happens, right? We start something, it's all exciting. We build up, we started in

 

15:45

black. Right?

 

Collin  15:47

There's some follow up, it's kind of there. But like, we move on to the next thing, because it's exciting and new. And then there's this other thing, it's just sort of like, sitting around, like, Well,

 

15:57

what about?

 

Collin  15:58

What about that thing? Like, yeah, that thing will do. I think still, but are we because all of our attention is now on the new thing. So I feel like part of that is that newness, right? The new thing, the nice, exciting, you get built up for it, the planning it and the anticipation is really great, you know, and you get onto it, and then you do it, you're like, next new thing. You know, because your brain wants that. Ah, I want to keep that up. Because like, processing, thinking about the thing you started reflecting, making changes, doing it better. That's not as exciting. Oh, 100. Yeah. So at the effort, that they require us to continue making that thing good, is not exciting. It's still important effort. But it's not like, the cool thing to do. You know. And so I feel like part of the reason that, that that can happen is that people are chasing that new thing. You know, oh, here's a new thing, a new thing, a new thing, a new thing. I think that's where some of that comes from, you know? Yeah. And so we are trying to come up with ways to combat that with staff. Because while, you know, the things that we do, it's, it's, like, crazy exciting every single day, like it's pretty monotonous at times, right? Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, that's it. So you're trying to figure out, I think that's one reason why I think having a when it comes to, like, I know it's a couple fold, it's finding, it's helping, so it's hard, because you've never got you I it's not, I am not responsible for somebody else, somebody else's internal satisfaction with a job. Like I have control over that I can make the job as engaging or as, whatever is possible, but at the end of the day, like stuff just has to get done, regardless of how nice it is to do it. So that's, that's, that's a challenge of trying to figure out like, Okay, this person says, they really liked it. But if they did that for eight hours a day, five days a week, how happy would they be?

 

18:23

For me? Yeah. And that, you know, that's another thing that that kind of that thing, that, that

 

Collin  18:33

science skill that's so hard to teach those, like the engineering part of that, kind of ties into that of that, that kind of thought process of, Okay, I'm just doing this thing, right, I've got my base setup. Now, I noticed something

 

18:48

that I can do better.

 

Collin  18:51

Right, and I'm gonna do that, and I'm gonna keep on. And then when I've got a pretty good handle on that, now I'm going to something else that I can do better. Right, just that gradual, slight improvement. You know, I think that process is important for things. And like I said before, because it takes so long, it's not appealing or attractive. But I think it is necessary, you know, and that's what I try to do with my teaching, right? Kind of like, I don't like to say like, five year plan because that makes me think of Stalin, but like, you know, the first year that I did it, I was just like, Alright, we're going to winging it. Boom. Right? I was making all this stuff up. You know, figuring out like, Where's gonna go get some my brain works, right? I'm just gonna, why we're doing it. I'm gonna make it up. Blam. We're gonna go for it. The next year, I was like, Alright, some of that was bad. We're taking it out. We're gonna add this new thing. We're gonna try that, right. You know, it's like this year you'd like today I was like, I need a new assessment because my other one is not good. So I throw it out. I'm gonna make a new one to improve on this. To sort of like, aim things in the direction I want to go, but it's really slow. Yeah, I mean, like, Oh, I need to make a science quiz. What do I need to be on this quiz? Here's the things that are important to me right now. Right? To try to make sure that we're all on the same page, because that gradual slow process of improvement is hard. You know? Yeah. Well, yeah. That iterative? I mean, I think it's the, the iterative nature of it is, isn't I think that part can be fine for people. But I think what you said that the key word there, it's a slow iterative process. Because I, I really struggled with this. But just a good example for this from my life is trying to figure out like sleep schedules for kids. Because one thing, it's very frustrating when you're like, hey, how do I do this with a child? They'll say, you need to be consistent. But also, yeah, you need to try a bunch of different stuff to see what's gonna work. And then I'm left going, Okay, how do I merge these two things together? Knowing that there are, let's just say 50 possibilities? Oh, yeah, consistent with each one to see if it's going to work, because I can't be changing enough stuff a lot of stuff all the time, because that's not consistent. So I've walked What is that? Good, like science experimentation, right? You have to do the same thing for long enough, like a trial period to see if it's working. And then be like, Huh, no, that's not work. Good. All right, right, do anything versus I think what too often is he said, like this, the newness factor of Okay, I'm gonna try this new thing. And then when you don't get that immediate kickback, or that immediate dopamine hit of having a success, or a response you're looking for you move on to the next thing immediately. Okay, well, I'll try this other thing. And, you know, it's because that's our nature, right? Because we got got to try and move on to something else. But having that, that self control and self awareness enough to be able to like, okay, I didn't, it didn't happen immediately. So but that's just one data point. And I've got to stick with this for just a little bit. And it is tough, right? Because you got to figure out where that curve starts leveling off of your effort to response and go, okay, like, if I try this four times, what what I get what I get, I get to know Okay, now it's time to, to bail. And I think that's, that's a that's something that I know I struggle with of going. Okay, it's time to quit, because I'll start getting my head of like, okay, but you know, what about that next time? Maybe that next? The next time? Oh, yeah, no, that's Yeah, that makes sense. You know, that's, yeah, you're not giving up too soon is like a chronic problem, where it's like, oh, it's, you know, things are working, and things are going good. And people are like, arrogant. That's the other, like, the stereotype in education, right? Like, you're doing these things, and it's going good. And like, you've worked on it for a long time. But then everyone's like, Alright, now we're doing something completely different, right? But it was just, it was just starting to work. Right? This thing, like, takes a long time to get rolling. And it's just starting to work. And now they're like, we're doing some different, you know, like it work. We had these, like, student learning binders for stuff, you know, and like, that was the big thing for a long time. Big thing. So for like years, I've been making a student learning binder, you know,

 

23:37

made these data sheets,

 

Collin  23:39

okay, cool. May new data sheets, because they like them. Last year, I migrated all my data sheets to an online format, so that they were more easily accessible, and we didn't lose them on our binders. Because let's face it, they fall out on the floor, and then they're gone. And it's all thing you're gonna like it.

 

23:54

This year, they're like, you don't need student learning binders. Like, but you need to track student data. And I was like,

 

Collin  24:06

I was like, so I'm just gonna do what I've been doing. And you're just like, whatever.

 

24:17

You kidding me? Those two sentences came out of the administrator's mouth back to back.

 

Collin  24:23

like, Dude, what are you talking about? So, I just got like, I looked at my friend, I was like, I'm just gonna keep mine cuz it's fine. Like, I'm just gonna do that because I already have it. You want student data? Where am I going to get that data? That's right, the student learning binder.

 

24:50

All right, yeah. Students should be like reflecting on their work and like thinking back was like you know where we do that in my class. Learning by

 

Collin  25:00

Yeah, yeah. What a wonderful idea. I'm going to put that, where I've been always putting it. Is there. Yeah. So like, I have our I'm just like, whatever I'm keeping it. I'm still doing it. I just added another thing again, it's like, here's my spreadsheet. So you can look at it, I guess, whatever. I don't know, like that. But, yeah, and I think, yeah, that that newness, that idea of, of trying something new. And I think you do have to balance that with, you want to be just starting stuff like I, we get in that phase I called the doing versus dwelling phase of like, I'm going to dwell on this, oh, yeah, think about it, I'm gonna really like, meditate on all the intricacies of this. And then versus the way you talked about it, like, I'm just gonna dive in, right, I've just got to start this somewhere, and make it work and figure out and knowing that I'm going to have a chance to maybe do it again, or, you know, adapt on the way and not getting too hung up on the fact that you don't know, depth two or three. I mean, that's true. But some people are literally incapable of doing that. And that's totally fine. Right? Like, that's, that's like a personality thing. You know, and I, because I'm like you, I can do it the other way. I can just be like, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna see what happens. And then I'm gonna go, that was bad. Let's try this now, you know, but that's how my sort of mind functions. Other people do need that, like, much more considered slow approach, you know, they actually need that to be able to work, like, I'm gonna plan all these steps out. And then a lot of times they go through that, and they they plan out and some people are then able to, you know, when one of those steps goes awry, they're able to stop and say, Okay, I need to cope with this problem right now. Because it's gonna throw off the rest of my steps, you know. And so, I think it's there, there's more than one ways to go about this. I it's very frustrating when you work with those people. Or I'm very sure it's extremely frustrating for those people to work with me, right? More accurately. When they're all like, we got to play this out. And I'm like, man, we're just gonna wing it and see what you like, I already started and they're like, we don't even know like, yeah, I'm already I'm already doing that. I'm doing it. Yeah, yeah. So it's a that's another different that's a whole nother conversation for later, like how to bridge those gaps and work together with people that have these different ideas and different processes, and how their brains process information and how they function, you know? So, but, uh,

 

27:54

yeah, sounds like some exciting stuff there.

 

Collin  27:59

It gets me thinking whenever I am. kind of one of those things, when you are really stressed and time constrained. Do I get very reflective about processes are things that I have in place? Not necessarily the safeguards in mice of things, but just like, what how do I how do I handle? And how do I process these things coming in, to deal with knowing that I have to, I have to make a decision at some point, a mix in amongst us chaos. So how can I best break this big thing down into very simple constituent parts, and I might not entirely understand it entirely, or entirely understand all the ins and outs and intricacies of what's happening. I just kind of to make these big, like, Neanderthal like, categories is what I do. Like, I don't know. I mean, I'm no, I get that I'm similar, because I'm a very, like, emotional thinker. Right? Like, if something frustrates me, I'm just like, like, everyone knows about it in like a 20 foot radius, right? It's very obvious. If I'm like happy, everyone, you know what I mean? I'm a very, like, brash, emotional, surely, all the listeners are shocked by this. But like, you know, I have that problem, because a lot of times when people confronted me on my process, right, again, like this new year with the new administration is is a good example. Because they're all of a sudden, there's like, we're doing these things, right? These are the things that we value now. And some of those things are like, I don't value that at all. I don't, that doesn't help me. Right? There's no room in my process for that. That the whatever this one specific detail that you think is like so important, like I don't think

 

Brandon  29:58

it's important right now. All, like, I don't care,

 

Collin  30:02

doesn't matter to me, right? My process is unaffected by that particular scenario. So now I have to stop, back up, make sure I'm catering to what you want to see from my performance, even though that's a thing that I don't really care about. So I get like, grumpy. Right? And I feel like, because I'm emotional, I let it sort of affect me a little too much sometimes, right? Let it get to me and affect my process. Because I'm like, Oh, I gotta make sure that it looks right for everybody. So that, you know, but like, really, it's something I'm just like, I just have to do it because somebody else wants me to do, but it's not like necessarily important for me to. Sure. do so. Yes, I that. Yeah. That I mean that there's there is the How do I work and operate in a world of people who don't work or operate like me? Right? Like that? Is a very I can be very frustrating at times. But I have only ever seen a lot of think, Well, I mean, a lot of gnashing of teeth and wailing in the beginning, but growth over time. In my part of going okay, like, yeah, there. That's that iterative? part. And I think you have to take being introspective of yourself and and being cognizant and aware of others around you enough to go okay. What, what do what needs to get set aside, just so that this can get done? Right? Because we all agree it needs to get tied or Yeah, yeah. What, what, what do we need to do? Yeah, and sometimes the How is the like, hang up bit. And so it's like, that's where the kind of the gnashing occurs, right? Like, I want to do it this way. Because this is how I am processing this information. And this is how I think things need to work, you know, and someone else like, No, no, that's no wrong. So it's hard. You know, it's tricky stuff. It's really for and I feel like I feel like it just, again, this is like me, responding to it perhaps incorrectly, right? That's, I'm aware of this. But like, I feel like it really like, I'm going, I'm gonna end it feels like something like jerks. The rains are hard and like slightly backwards, because I have to, like, stop. And like, look at this other thing that I'm not interested in, that I don't like, then I get, because I'm so passionate about, like, the stuff that I'm doing, you know, yeah, I think that's the other thing like that, like, passion is there and I'm like, really, like raring to go, and then I have to like, stop and go over here and do this thing that I don't care about. Oh, it's like, blah, blah, blah. It's hard for me to process that like, switch. You know what I mean? Like, that's just 100% me, right? That's all that is. That's just just only me being weird. Like, but that is that is an important. It's a part of that. Yeah, it is part of that process of going again, going, Okay. This is this is happening. And sure I may have a different reaction to this than others they may be expecting or whatever, but that when you get those when you get those reins, you feel like they're pulled back on you. Like, are you Is it really a this person is attacking my process? Or is it this person is preventing me for just getting this done? Yeah, and I feel like a lot of my my case, I feel like I'm being prevented, right? It's not my process that they care about, you know, because, again, sometimes I feel like it is but it's not necessarily true, right? Because I I've talked to some people as administrators I work with about well my principal, right? She's like, you know, being like, what the heck are we talking about? So you know, she reassured me about that stuff, but I just didn't I feel that it's the other way you know, I feel like it's the things I have to do about it. So truly math which, which is a very different response. If it were then the they are attacking my process. That's a very wise like personal attack versus they're slowing me down because I could just get this done right. Like, I think that's a that that trying to understand. Why we're frustrated in the scenarios really helps our interplay, when we are working with other people who who operate in process those kind of situations differently than we do. Yeah, and that's the hard thing. And again, for me, it's hard because I'm so emotional about these things, right? rightly or wrongly In my case, but I feel like it's one of my strengths that I do get so passionate about these things, but it is hard to rein it back in and know when to like let Bly and like, hold back and like be a part of the process and try to figure out how to integrate it into what I'm doing or to how I feel that things need to be done instead of feeling handcuffed because I know we I've mentioned that before on here you know, it's really difficult when you get conflicting messages like you know, we want you to think outside the box like First of all, we're starting with two different size boxes. I feel like yours is very small and mine is like a refrigerator box. No, like don't know as well and part of that that whole thing outside the box thing I think too often like like they want you to think outside the box but do they really like those people who are like oh, we're really big think outside the box here at this place. We're really go getter it's like, Okay, do you want do you want the janitors thinking outside the box when they're sanitizing places? Right? Do you want the cooks thinking outside the box and they're making lunches? Do you want to think outside the box when we're entering our grade? Like where does that where does that end? Where does it begin? I think that as you said like that's the size box that they're talking about there you're like this one very specific minute detail like think outside over here and when most of us do that we're like okay, everything's on the table and they're like no yeah, and again, sometimes I feel like I said this before too I think but like I don't know if you're aware how far outside the box I'm willing to go and are you comfortable with how outside I'm fine with it being outside my box? Yeah, is it how far outside your box is this okay with you I mean you know I had that realization when they were talking about these data tracking sheets that we had to make you know, it's like this I realized as I was doing my first couple rounds of this I was like this sheet is not for me. Because when I look at this stuff, this information I put in here this tells me things I already know right? So this isn't for me it's for you to see if

 

37:57

I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. I feel like tricked you know like oh wait a minute

 

Collin  38:05

but again, I gotta remember that like you know, the fact that they're implementing this process you know I also have to go to with a mindset of like oh like you know, maybe they're not worried about me doing my job you know, maybe it's just to make sure everybody's on the same page you know, it's not like an attack it's a psycho always want to make sure we're all doing it you know for maybe that one person who's like maybe not up to the level that they want you know, but it's hard again when I'm an emotional roller coaster to be like you don't trust me to do you know what I mean? Like I know that's not true right? Otherwise they would have already told me like, listen up buddy. Your schmuck like yeah, no like 100% like it Yeah, yeah No, I think that that trying to understand again, like where that person is coming from and what they what their intent is, when you're interacting with them I think is it's hard but it's Oh yeah. I think anything is hard when you have like, when you're dealing with like many 10s of people you know,

 

39:17

you know, it's

 

Collin  39:19

easy you just have them all do it your way every single time and you don't have to worry about right now I've been very aware for a very long time that people are not comfortable doing things the way I do them. Right. This was made abundantly clear to me a long time ago. Like whenever I first started working as a reading coach, like we had to do this like they did like one of those like, really like personality tests things you know, not like the my like the real hardcore like for real one. It was like a One of those ones that like gave you a color,

 

40:02

you know, of teeth.

 

Collin  40:05

And it was just like, oh, people have this, you know, it's kind of like just sort of outline everybody's personality traits, in a certain way, like, these people are this these people are, you tend to act in this way. And,

 

40:17

you know,

 

Collin  40:20

my bosses even like I really struggle working with people that end up being orange mouse like, Hello, Hi. Nice to meet you. I'm Mr. Orange. Awkward, as well, I don't remember what it was. But it was like, you know, blue people are very, like carrying and stuff like that. And like, the golds are, like, really highly organized. Green was something I don't remember in orange was me, like, me and like two other people. And they were like the high school kids like, like free thinking. Like, there's like crazy paying. And so it's very difficult. I understand. So I've been saying for a long time that, like people trying to work with me, they've got it rough sometimes, you know, pre pre apologized sometimes. Look, I do have this. But anyway. Yeah. Like, look, I understand that this might not you might not like what's about to happen. And it's hard to deal with this weirdness that's about to come your way, but it'd be fine. Don't worry. We'll be okay. Aaron, did you did you survive? Your your, your evening?

 

41:59

Did you get yelled at by parents?

 

Collin  42:01

How badly was

 

42:05

always my favorite part of parent meetings? Oh, angry parents. Please muted himself. Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah, be eating something or gay. Somebody has just gotten so I will.

 

Collin  42:24

Stuffing stop talking. Stop trying to give me a talk guys. I need to eat. I'm starving.

 

42:32

Aaron's text my son says you have to unmute him. Why don't you mute Aaron?

 

Collin  42:37

Why did you do that? Why is my phone. I don't even have that message. Apparently asked. asked him to ask you to unmute. You have power? bootstraps.

 

42:50

The host is not allowing participants to unmute themselves.

 

Collin  42:56

What? But you? You unmuted yourself Braden. Right? Like we all right. I was I didn't start out muted. Yeah, you did? I did. Yeah. Oh, I just when I joined. I did that. This is a new and exciting problem.

 

43:13

I've never

 

Collin  43:15

had this before. How do I unmute I can mute all ask all to unmute. Okay, well Aaron just left. Oh, sorry. Oh, offended him. Well, maybe it maybe he's gonna try to rejoin. Okay, see if that'll work again. I'm not kidding.

 

43:32

That was weird. My

 

Collin  43:34

voice will be heard. Yes.

 

43:37

Shouting from the rooftops will just dictate air and tech.

 

Collin  43:45

Apparently, he asked me back in Okay, Aaron, don't yourself here.

 

Aaron  43:51

Tech. Okay. Victory. Cow Lee. What that? That was when we heard talking about subjective impression there. Geez.

 

Collin  44:07

All right. What, what,

 

Aaron  44:09

what's the question? What am I doing,

 

44:10

sir, we want to know how your evening was? And did you get shouted out my parents?

 

Aaron  44:14

So this week, and starting halfway through last week, we're actually virtual still. Yeah. And so we're sitting there and I emailed some parents, like, Hey, you know, literally all of your kids are passing my class. So if you want to come in and say hi, or whatever, and then like, two hours before school ends, and I have to go to football practice. They're like, Oh, yeah, we're not doing in person. Like it's all over. Like if they want to schedule something. Like they have to confirm a meeting or whatever. And we have to do it that way. And I was like, like on the phone. I would have been nice to be able to tell my people but like, I didn't I didn't have any I didn't have any parents. I didn't have anyone emailed me back or were swinging by or give me a call or anything. So I shouldn't be there. I had to be there and then I had to go make an appearance at the mall. ballgame because they're they're trying to make us coaches be more active in other sports. Well make sense. That's good. So I made an appearance. I was there for 10 minutes on principle and then I get addled that volley that ball. Well, yeah. And then I got here like five minutes before the curtain call. And that's and I sat there and I was just like, munching away trying to chow down my dinner. And then yeah, just went let me win. Let me on so

 

Collin  45:27

well, we're glad you have joined us. Welcome. Welcome. Hello. Hello. Now, side question. This came up in the intro.

 

Brandon  45:36

I would like to know both of your opinions on making a peanut butter jelly sandwich. Which is the superior method spoon or knife.

 

Aaron  45:49

Well, are you asking as far as like a

 

45:52

when you make a peanut butter jelly?

 

Aaron  45:54

Oh, what is it called? When you do like a job? Oh, well, yeah. Well, Colin was talking about

 

Brandon  45:59

Yeah. Yeah, so I want to know, spoon or knife.

 

Collin  46:08

uses a spoon? Me. But yes, because you can get more jelly. And it's easier to distribute said jelly with spoon. Sometimes I will use a spoon.

 

46:27

And to make my sandwich. We've never heard of that. Really,

 

Collin  46:32

you should try it with the jelly man. Because like trying to get all the jelly out with the knife is like really annoying sometimes, and I can't be bothered. So sometimes, spoon is the way to go. Tip Jar down towards the bread and like,

 

46:48

mush it out. I don't know. You see?

 

Collin  46:51

Ya see, this is what color was talking about. This is why it's so important to follow directions. I sometimes I'll use this sometimes when I'm feeling just especially frivolous knife for peanut butter. Spoon for jelly. Oh, man. But the decadence over there?

 

Aaron  47:08

Yes. Well, why would you? Why would you waste two utensils?

 

Collin  47:12

I mean, I'm just gonna throw it in the dishwasher. Right? In the summer. I'm talking about like, in the summer when it's just me at home by myself. Doesn't matter. He has no empathy. He will make that. Yeah. Oh, yes. Because man hand washing a knife takes literally seconds. And I just go black. Okay, it's done. I throw it back in the drawer. Like, sometimes I'll just I'll do that. I'll just hand wash it because it takes literally 30 to 45 seconds to hand wash a spoon and a knife and then put them back in the drawer. It doesn't really matter to me. It's all about the spreadability of the sandwich toppings.

 

47:53

So

 

Collin  47:57

that is my methodology. Because I don't like to struggle with denial, right? Especially, you know, when it gets down lower. Right? You kind of like get on there. When you have like jelly. It's all stuck together. It's really terrible.

 

48:11

Sorry. But a follow up question. Yeah. What type of

 

48:15

jelly goes on the peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

 

Collin  48:19

So I used to always do rape, but very bad. But now I'm I'm big in the struggle. Ah, della Aaron. Um,

 

Aaron  48:37

well, so you're talking to the person that didn't know the difference between like jam or jelly?

 

Collin  48:41

Yeah, well, I'm just talking about flavor. I don't care about Yes, that's a whole nother content jam, jelly preserves marmalade, whatever. Yeah,

 

Aaron  48:49

like, like that. I always like you know the grape or I kind of like the raspberry every once in a while.

 

48:56

Oh, man with the wild card

 

Aaron  49:00

though. now now now the real question is what kind of peanut butter?

 

49:03

Wait, I mean generally. I mean, I don't really

 

Collin  49:11

know. Like generally I just use smooth peanut butter because it's more versatile to have you have in the house already. But chunky peanut butter is pretty good. Got it. Not gonna lie. I like creamy usually but every once in a while I mix it up. And I am also in can't strawberry right? strawberry jelly. Never big on the grape. Although now that you say that everyone wants a blackberry jelly. That sounds really good. Just on some toast. No. Yeah, no. There was a while where we had like, I don't know if they feel like four or five different kinds of jellies before we cut down on that, but yeah It was very nice to be able to like, oh, Blackberry deli, I'll have, you know, all these different kinds of options. You feel. Yeah, you're like, this is why why have I been withholding these kinds of things for myself? They're just there, right? It's true. They're just,

 

50:17

they want to you wonder,

 

Collin  50:19

now that I'm remembering that there are other kinds of jelly other than strawberry. Mountain Western mountain regional favorite. I wonder what? Huckleberry jelly tastes like on a peanut butter jelly sandwich.

 

50:35

That is a pie.

 

50:39

I mean, probably that's what I wanted to why I'm curious now, if what it tastes like on a sandwich, or peanut butter sandwich

 

Collin  50:45

is pretty good.

 

Brandon  50:46

I mean, probably, but like, I just thought about that. It's like, Whoa, I bet that's probably pretty good.

 

50:54

Well, looks like there's

 

50:56

literally everything else in Montana. So like,

 

Collin  51:02

you know, there was just never a grocery store long enough to really see the spread that they had there. It's true.

 

51:13

It's true. So Aaron, how's the rest of your week been? Huh? Oh, dear. That's how good

 

Aaron  51:22

I mean, so the weekend was great. We had a Friday game. We won. It was a close game was a really, really, really close game was a really, really good game.

 

51:35

And then I drove home, picked up the Shelby and then we drove from our home

 

51:45

to Emporia, Kansas.

 

Aaron  51:49

I didn't get home until about like 1130 and we rolled in at like 230 in the morning. In Emporia, Kansas. And so we woke up in the morning now got coffee, obviously. And then we drove our and whatever do to Manhattan, Kansas. For the case statement that again, which was a lot of fun. I I kind of forgot, you know, the how awesome college football was and being a part of it because like yeah, going to, like LSU games like yeah, you know, they're fun, but like, being in that environment. Like you know, it was unique and then we went to that game it was like, like one o'clock and then we walked around campus because we had to go see where mom and dad went. Like where it's like where they live in the dorms. But turns out Kansas State's campus is rotting out right next to the stadium. So we had no yeah, we

 

52:58

had to trek stadiums at the middle of like a field right? It's like over there

 

Aaron  53:03

sort of so so we're tracking and I of course I call father he's like So where were you guys and I was like oh we're over here by bah bah bah Oh yeah, you just go this way and then that way and you'll find it and like he was like he was there with us like not a lot has changed since that man has left and then I showed him the pictures of the dorms that his mom lived in and he's like yeah, no that looks you know just the same tan color we walked on campus got the ride on those little scooter things unsuccessfully but it was still fun to go and ride the scooters and then

 

53:46

we we got on the way back drove out a stadium getting

 

Aaron  53:51

and then of course we had this the burger which is the big big

 

53:56

and that's what it's called. Is it still orange inside?

 

Aaron  54:00

Oh, we went through the drive thru. Which is good feel like it feels like exactly like it did back back in the good old days. Did that like all looks the same? But probably Sunday morning, we got up and then we scooted down here.

 

54:24

And then

 

Aaron  54:25

like it was we got to coffeyville and it was a train for like 45 minutes. So that put him back in the up a little bit. And then yeah, then we got that's where I dropped Shelby off and then I drove down to football practice

 

54:39

Sunday and

 

Aaron  54:41

just did my thing and then that's where the car started. Power problems started again. So I'm using Shelley's brother's other car. The navigate while it is getting worked on.

 

54:51

Oh, yeah, I'm little, little exhausted

 

Aaron  54:56

of having to deal with it, but it's true. It isn't where it needs to be getting worked on and all the lemon, though. Um, and then yeah, we're still virtual. We got a big game this Friday. So it's kind of weird to you know, not have any kids all day and then boom, go and see kids and do practice and do all those kind of things. I forgot kind of what day it was. And I was about to leave and they're like, Oh, we got parent teacher stuff. I was like half were so set up for that went to the volleyball games, like 10 minutes, and then I got home. But it's it's so weird, because all I do is just post stuff on Google Classroom. I got my little thing popped up, if it gives me to jump on there, you know, ask questions. And I just vive and get caught up on stuff, get caught up in grading. And then got stuff ready for the next few weeks. So it's been kind of nice to get like reset, cuz I didn't, I didn't really get a chance to do some, you know, full on lesson planning since I started so late. And so that it was kind of nice to actually get a legitimate moment. The lesson plan so I've been doing that. Just getting things set up. And will should be back in in person classes starting Monday.

 

56:17

Okay, cool. I should be anyways. But

 

Aaron  56:21

yeah, other than that, that's been that's been my week in a nutshell. This more craziness happening and doing what I can. Sweet.

 

56:34

How you liking the Google Classroom navigation, how's it going? Though,

 

Aaron  56:38

I didn't know Google meats was until Hmm. So that's, that's interesting. I'm still kind of playing around and learning that. But it's in for being in a very rural school, it is very difficult to have, you know, the kids do what they need to win, most of them don't have the accessibility. So I, it was kind of, you know, the way we did it was a little frustrating, because they announced it on, like, last Tuesday, and then we had a day to get packets and everything ready. So that was a little tedious and exhausting. If I think we had more time, I would have been able to have better things set for him. But I I picked some packets and got away with it. So

 

57:29

it's, it's it's different.

 

Aaron  57:32

On the unable to get some stuff done, but at the same time, it's like, you can start really, not really getting tempted to do anything. It's kind of virtual, it's kind of more busy work than anything, and that's kind of sad. It's kind of annoying.

 

Collin  57:45

Yeah, I feel the same way. Anytime I have to do that. Because like, that's the whole reason I'm here. If I could just do busy work all day they wouldn't. So like, I, my, my sort of, like, style and approach is really, it doesn't really gel well with distance. Yeah, yeah. That is our school districts the same way like a, you know, half the kids over half the kids don't have internet access at their house. So like, what? Well, useless, right?

 

Aaron  58:18

That's Oh, yeah, yeah, if there's some weird administrative things that are going on also, that's not really helping. But you know, it's that we're, it's everyone that I've talked to, it's like, oh, we just got to maintain Yeah, but that literally does nothing for like, Yes, true.

 

58:35

So but at least

 

Collin  58:37

like getting familiar with the Google classroom and how it all works and stuff like you can still use a lot of that when you come back like oh, yeah, your stuff and so that's good. That's why I use it for mostly is like here's some stuff so you can't lose it. Haha. Cam no more. There's like I lost my paper. No, you did not. Don't lie to me.

 

Aaron  58:57

And so yeah, whenever we get back into class, I think that'll be a little bit easier for some of those kids. But I'm not I don't really have any like I said, For for any of my kids. I don't really have any bad kids right now all my kids are relatively caught up. I got a few eighth graders that are just like, Oh, yeah, I'll turn that in. And it's like, never do because they're eighth graders. But, I mean, it's it's going pretty, pretty easy as of the moment, but it was just a huge, like, an adjustment. And they're like, Yeah,

 

59:28

what am I doing, though? Yeah, I'm having the opposite problem. I've got kids. I have my I have my missing assignment board is full.

 

59:35

Yeah. Right. And like, I have,

 

Collin  59:40

I had some of the, there was a like, randomly some of my old kids, like just show up in my classroom. You know, there's like pop by, Hey, what's going on? Yeah. And I had a seventh and an eighth grader, come by to visit me the other day. And they looked at my board and they both went.

 

59:57

Good grief. Why do you have something Kids are here, but it's not. It's never been. It's not normally this full like, Becky you guys do and man what is going on with

 

Collin  1:00:10

you? So it was funny to see them like be like, Why are there so many names on there? Ask them, ask them that question. Look at all these small children and ask them, tell them turn their stuff in.

 

1:00:26

Okay the problem

 

Collin  1:00:29

they got the talk the other day, they got the chatty, grumpy grumpy me

 

1:00:35

because they

 

Collin  1:00:38

were just not, which means that one of the one of the groups was just not using their time wisely. They just decided they were going to come and just goof off all hour. So I was like, okay, whatever. I gave them time to work on anything, and it's not done. So it's now zero till you get it finished and turn it into me.

 

1:00:57

You're so mean. Yes. They're like you're me as a kid.

 

Collin  1:01:02

Because you wasted all my time you thought you thought all the time I gave you was to be spent doing something else. So

 

1:01:11

now we know, right? Like,

 

Collin  1:01:14

I have had many of them coming up like before school, like, hey, because they get there and there's like 30 minutes before school starts like,

 

Brandon  1:01:21

Can I come here and work on it right now? Yes. Come on in. Have a

 

1:01:27

seat. Let's go. So I mean, and you know, it's it's very normal

 

1:01:33

for

 

Collin  1:01:36

a handful of people to be not done. But when I look at their paper, they're just like, not done with the last couple things. That's expected. That's not a big deal. I'm not I'm not even mad about that. Right? Whatever. It does, like couple kids that after two days of in classwork gave me a paper with five things written on it.

 

1:01:58

No. Oh, no. Computer. What are you doing here?

 

Aaron  1:02:05

Yeah, also with with my school is that they, they've had an issue where, like, none of the kids I've ever really been held accountable. And so a lot of those, especially those eighth graders, they just don't turn their stuff in. Because they had a school policy forever, where they just not allowed to give zeroes. And right. Why? Like, what's like, what's the one so a lot of the kids like I hadn't, I had an email for one of my own my eighth grade girls, and she's like, I just can't be disrespectful, but I'm probably just not gonna do it. And I immediately call the parent. And the schools like, yeah, we just never, never gave him zero as a problem. So I had to do some corrective adjusting with some of my students to get them back in line to where they needed to be.

 

Collin  1:03:05

One of my, one of my friends used to tell the high schoolers, like, giving zero is really easy. One button, boom, done by

 

1:03:16

is really funny. Yeah, that's not that I don't know when these kids.

 

Collin  1:03:25

Yeah, I don't know what's up with these kids, because they definitely didn't have that. And then fifth grade teachers were on them last year. So I don't really know what the

 

Brandon  1:03:36

what's going on here. A little confusing. I think some of them are.

 

Collin  1:03:41

They think they're just having a harder time adjusting to the pace of sixth grade life than some of the other kids in the past. Because it's much quicker. We have to, it's their first year switching classes. The first you're doing a lot of stuff. And so it's very, like, you know, they're responsible for things in three different rooms. Now, instead of just one, they've got to keep track of assignments from three different people, instead of just one. For some of them, it's like, especially those kids that have been like that they normally have struggled and like, the teacher has held their hand and sat them down and been like, we're not moving until you do all of this. You know, those kids when they get to three different people. And now they have to talk to three different people about what they're missing. And when they're going to come in and do it and how to make it up. Oh, boy, now we've got a problem, right?

 

1:04:38

Oh, no,

 

Collin  1:04:40

because they haven't had to be responsible for their own work before. You know, because the teacher has been like, you're doing this and you're doing it at this time and you're doing it right now. And in sixth grade, it's a little bit more like you When are you going to do it? Right here is all the times available for you to come in and see me when are you Coming.

 

Aaron  1:05:01

You know, we we have a weird like it's called we called a flex period. And its primary job is to get those kids who are struggling in some shape or variety time they need. But what does it ends up happening is those kids just come in and they goof off for this Hangout? Yeah, yeah. And they're like, we go into your flex, I don't have any, like, I don't have anything to work on your own, or, like, I gotta check. And now I got to do busy work for myself to check to make sure that this person has something or not. And it's, and they're my school is wanting to do a thing where in some of our flex periods, we do more practical work, like showing kids how to, you know, and we only get like, 30 minutes, I think, and then it's like, you know, do an oil change or how to, you know, I, I'm going to do things like how to help teach, like how to wrap an ankle or wrap a wrist for athletics or something. Oh, yeah. Like, like, like little things like that. So it's, it's kind of cool, but they're like, present, we just need to learn. We, you know, get these kids learn, like practical skills. And I was like, Oh, yeah, fair enough. But it's just like, no, but what about the kids that actually needed? Because we got the ineligibility list? Monday? Yeah. Last Friday, and it's like, a lot of mine. A lot of my athletic kids are on there. So when are they gonna get time to work on their stuff, though? Yeah, that's that's kind of kind of been a battle of like, Hey, we have this flex period. And yes, sounds good on paper. But wait, if we don't, it doesn't, it doesn't get the attention that it needs. Because it's really go It's a free period. Like No, it's not wet. Free period. You may not you may not do free things on it. Like though.

 

Collin  1:06:49

Yeah, I mean, it's it's not just my classes it's happening into so that's good to know. This Nice. Yeah. Cuz the math teacher, he talked to them the day after I did. And he goes, he told them all he told it was cuz I had told him about the conversation that we had and what I had said and stuff and he was like, yeah, cuz he came up and looked at my list. He's like, funny thing. All these same people are on my list too. Weird, huh? So he just all he told them was, you remember that talk that you had with Mr. Funkhouser yesterday. Imagine imagine I'm giving it to you right now, but I'm twice as grumpy. And they're all like, I don't want to imagine twice that grumpy. I don't want to think about which I found rather humorous. Of course. They felt like they came with told me was like, we don't. We don't want to think about you grumpier than that. Good. That's the right answer. Thank you. Wow. I had another thought earlier. And it is gone now.

 

1:08:10

Is retreated into the midst? Very sad. Very sad. Well, wait, we'll

 

Brandon  1:08:21

maybe you can write that down. Or I will write down for next time.

 

Collin  1:08:25

Maybe. Because next time we do. Oh, man, we've got our thoughts on the outsiders. That is true. homework time. Over time. The nose to the grind for next week. Not Not this week. Homework starts now for next week. For Yeah, right. Yes. I have a book. I'm staring at it right now. Right here in my hand. Now, the next next time we meet we'll talk about the first chapter of outsiders. Right, right. Yes. Okay. So I have to write this down. But yeah, that's that's fine.

 

1:09:04

It's not too bad.

 

Collin  1:09:05

Shana has recommended this book highly and was very surprised that I had never read it. Oh, cuz she I was like, Yeah, I've never read it. And she was like, What?

 

1:09:15

Why?

 

Collin  1:09:16

I was like, I don't know. I just never did. And she was like, You mean,

 

1:09:22

I've read a book that you haven't? Like, well, I

 

Collin  1:09:25

imagine you've read lots of books. I haven't, because she's into different books to me, but she's like, no, but this is like a classic book. And you've never read it. She was appalled. So hopefully, we can set your household straight.

 

1:09:41

Yeah, I was like, well, don't get too used to that feeling because I'm starting getting sued. Yeah. You can.

 

Collin  1:09:50

Well, I think that's a new series of just find out other books. She hasn't read so we can chip away at this. Yeah, no, actually, I think I would. I don't think we need to go down that route. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. Yeah, I don't really want to read like ya romance novels. I'm good. Thanks very much. But so what are your What are your expectations and your thoughts on this book here? Do you read any of the backstory or kind of look at the back and see what's actually about because I had really no idea. I knew that movie existed. I knew that the Ramones have a song called outsiders. I don't think it's related though. That's all I got. Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't really have you read any the backstory of this novel? Not none of the backstory. Like I just read. Like, I don't know, as far as like, no, I guess I know. I did. Okay, I just went like a general like Plot Synopsis. Okay, but now I'm

 

Brandon  1:11:04

alright, um, we accidentally picked a very topical author. Because Do you know where she's from? No, Tulsa, Oklahoma. Hey, and you know where she lives currently? No, no, I saw Oklahoma. Oh, hey.

 

Collin  1:11:23

So I I looked on that I read about her a little bit. Like in the front of my book. I have the like, I don't know the penguin the Viking edition here with the little penguin printing thing on it. You know, Penguin Books. Right. And it has a little thing from her in the front. And I read something about her online. She's She's from Tulsa. She went to Will Rogers High School. Yeah. And she wrote this book when she was 15. back Oh, my. Yeah, so she's coming of age book by person coming of age.

 

1:11:58

Yes. Oh, that's terrific. And

 

Collin  1:12:01

the events in this book were inspired by her time and in Will Rogers High School in Oklahoma. So this little thing is talking about that she wanted to read a book that would describe her experiences in high school so she wrote it.

 

1:12:20

How about that? Yeah.

 

Aaron  1:12:24

Not like a rough and tough school

 

Collin  1:12:26

is it? I don't know. Maybe it was we're gonna get this is this this is a book about like, classism. I think, from what it sounds like, Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be like a documentary about time there. No, no, I think it's just like generalized like the things that were going on around her. Yeah, she started writing this book was 15 inch it was published her freshman year of high school of college. That's wild.

 

1:12:49

Yeah. First of all other people that

 

Collin  1:12:54

make me an underachiever. Thanks a lot se. People who make Okay, yeah. I'll just remember that while I'm reading this book. Yeah, like so. Yeah, it's while I read that, I was like, whoa, whoa, hold on. First of all, she literally is like Aaron's neighbor. Okay. Like basically in Oklahoma. parklands is not that far away. Yeah. And

 

1:13:29

that was shocking.

 

Brandon  1:13:32

To me, this book is kind of like about

 

Collin  1:13:36

so it's like about the Midwestern coming of age. I think that never happens. Right? inspired by life, it will Rogers High School.

 

1:13:47

Tulsa, Oklahoma. or wherever in a coma. So like, that was shocking to me. I was very appalled. I was like, what, what? What?

 

Collin  1:14:03

Well, then we will have lots of Aaron you will have be immediately bonded to this book. Can't wait to get your perspective, right. The Oklahoma perspective.

 

Aaron  1:14:15

Right. I'll get I'll get what I can. when i when i when i go meet her. Yeah. Instead of reading the book. I'll just run down there and talk to the

 

Collin  1:14:22

interviewer. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, brother interview. Hey, there we go on the show. That's true. If you're listening. We'd love to have a little chat in Reno. read your book. And we are reading it chapter by chapter now. We want you to talk about it and tell us about it. So we don't have to read it. Anyone? Oh, no, no, not that one. Not that not that. We should probably wait till we read the whole thing before we ask her any questions right? I'd be like useful. because she'll be all like, Well, yeah, then towards the end or at home. We haven't got that far yet. Chapter one and just

 

1:14:56

hold on.

 

Aaron  1:14:58

I feel like we had to You didn't like Miss tolls class or something like that.

 

Collin  1:15:02

Like in read this book? Yeah, I I definitely skip this one. Again my high school reading again for review for listeners. I don't I don't know what I read my I don't think we read a book my junior year because I was in compositional English and it was like all writing all the time. So there was, I don't think there was a reading, but I know for a fact my freshman year we read

 

1:15:32

Oh, what the heck. The boys on the island. It just left me. My brain. The book flew out of my brain, Lord of the Flies, Lord of the Flies. Thank you. Right we read that one. Ah. I know we read

 

Collin  1:15:50

something wicked this way comes sophomore year. I think we read something else with Mr. Himes. Yeah, never had to read. I think we might have had to, I know I read something wicked this way comes maybe something else. Junior year was only writing. It was like writing, writing, writing writing for days. We just read all the papers, I wrote that big giant research paper about something. And then senior year was a dual credit English class. So not a lot of novel reading. We did have to read Beowulf. For something in that class. And I had to write, I think about Beowulf. Oh, that was kind of like my only memories of high school reading lists, right?

 

1:16:36

That's all I remember.

 

Collin  1:16:37

I know, in working in high school. As an aide, I had to read Aaron's favorite book, The Great Gatsby. I had to read.

 

Brandon  1:16:50

We read something Hemingway.

 

1:16:54

But I like Hemingway. So that was fine. And then I read Huck Finn. Question mark. Yes. To help one of my students, we read that together. That's kind of the my experience with this. This sort of list,

 

Aaron  1:17:12

I only had to read things like we read a lot of Shakespeare.

 

1:17:18

Great. Yeah, we did that too. Of course.

 

Aaron  1:17:23

That goes well, where the red Fern Grows. I feel like we read that, at some point. Grapes of Wrath. We

 

1:17:30

read that. And then

 

Aaron  1:17:34

that's kind of about the extent of the books that we had to read because like I took I took those classes and then like, that was kind of it like we just other class. other classes that I had. We just didn't read books like that. Like I had. I had English Lit I had, you know, British lit I even took a mythology class. For some reason, but I was like, Yeah, I remember this class was like, I didn't really get to read that much. Because Yeah, we didn't get to read Lord of the Flies or, you know, things like that. We read like everything else. But we didn't know but at the same time, we didn't read that many. And that's the weird thing. I'm like, I never get to read. Like a lot of these. So

 

Collin  1:18:19

yeah, whenever I was thinking about my list to this week, I was like, Yeah, I didn't really again, mine was a long time ago. I probably read more than I recall. Yeah. Now that you say it out loud. I we definitely read like 50 million Shakespeare things, right. I know we did Macbeth. I know. We did Romeo and Juliet. I know we did Hamlet for sure. Never did Hamlet, we probably did a little bit of other random things. I know we did those three. Over the course of freshman and sophomore year, we hit those three, some in some sequence. I don't remember. Well, and what's hard for me is to tease out books that we read in school versus books that I read on my like, yes, like definitely read Lord of the Flies definitely read 1984 But yeah, but I read that one in my house for sure. But I so I read animal 94 with Mr. Heinz, but I read Animal Farm by myself. But, um, things like all the all of the all the Shakespeare we read those in school. But things like The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. That's like, I read that by myself. I read. I think I wrote read Pride and Prejudice by myself. Capstone night, like I've just I have a list up here that I've pulled out of common ones, and I'm like, but I definitely read Beowulf in school. But anyway, like a Picture of Dorian Gray. I read that on my own, and I did too, and I regret it. I hits my least favorite book of all time. Really? Yeah. Okay, well, yeah, we'll put that Yeah, we've talked about why I didn't like that one. But yeah, I did the same thing and I I talked to I was talking to Shana yesterday about that. Because we were talking about somehow in conversation with Susan, Shana and I were talking about young adult fiction. Right? I don't exactly remember the context of this. But I was trying to, like parse this together. And like that brand is not something I remember from being a young adult. Because when I was a young adult, I was just reading, like, straight up, like, I read, catch 22, like, by myself in high school the first time, right, I read, like, that's what I was reading until, like, I don't really know. And I was just like, that was a genre that if it existed at all, when I was in the late 90s, when I was a young adult, I just missed it, because that's not the kind of books that I was into. Yeah, so like, I don't really know, I feel like I don't know. Even, like my perception on that. I totally agree. I don't know if I feel like it was insanely popular for after me or younger, a little bit. But maybe I just wasn't paying attention because I think the closest that I got to that was in middle school with Harry Potter, that, you know, like, after that it was insane. But I was Yeah, I didn't have I wasn't reading those that was reading Oh, read The Count of Monte Cristo. And oh, yeah, I mean, do right. Over. Yeah, definitely read Moby Dick. That was a rough one. But yeah, I was just reading like, random, like random mystery novels. Right? Like,

 

1:21:39

stuff

 

Collin  1:21:40

at when I was when I was the closest I can think about it was when I was younger. When I was in middle school and early high school. I was really into like, fantasy novels. Right? So I read a lot of like, high fantasy novels. And like, that's what I read.

 

1:21:57

Because that's what I was into. So I read like all those like

 

Collin  1:22:03

that dragon Lance books, you know, yeah, I read a bunch of those. And I read a bunch of Star Wars novels. Yep, that was me.

 

Aaron  1:22:16

And then I read like,

 

Collin  1:22:17

in sixth grade, I did a book report over like the Hunchback of Notre DOM, which was a weird choice for me. Like I read, like, Yeah, whatever. Yeah, I read, like the hunchback. I read. I read Treasure Island, which is

 

1:22:33

kind of a younger adult book, right?

 

Collin  1:22:37

You know, stuff like that I was into that kind of stuff. So that was my kind of childhood reading history. You know. That's what I remember. I got hooked on reading when I was. I remember in elementary school, I just read the Boxcar Children, like literally all of them, that were available to me. I gravitated towards that. I like that series. I read all those mysteries. And that kind of like, taught me down that path. And that's why I went for it. That's sort of my reading background. Like in a nutshell there to where I still read. And then I read lots of nonfiction now, because I'm, you know, I'm an old nerd, and I read nonfiction. For fun on purpose. I think it will save more discussion about reading for next week when we dive down to the I was getting a general background I think. Dive more in that for that one. Yes. Guys, stay safe. And as we get a new schedule, anytime I feel like or Next. Next episode. Yes, according. Okay. Yes, they'll save the listeners that pain. calendars. Yes, so we can make sure that Aaron is good to go. We can work around his insanely busy after school schedule, because I know it's rough. dirt. No, no, no new job, football season, you got all the stuff going on, right? So make sure that we get you good to go and you're not like rushing to my drinking like that. So for sure. Make sure you're doing right.

 

Aaron  1:24:42

I'll be able to make it work or whatever. Whatever we can, so I'll be fine.

 

Collin  1:24:49

All right. Love you guys.

 

1:24:52

Bye.