stealth rock fall

We wish we knew more about West Africa as Aaron watches an independent film. Did you know there’s a video game…or 12…based off an ancient Chinese novel? Collin learns this right before bricks fall. Brandon is irrationally angry. Main topic: Irrelevant tests and learning standards!

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Collin  00:04

Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast of three brothers trying to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon, Collin and Aaron. On this week's show, stealth rockfall.

 

00:20

Nothing starting Hello.

 

00:33

So fine. I was slightly worried about that when I was texting calling about my schedule for next week. And his response was,

 

00:41

yeah,

 

Collin  00:41

either one or both is fine. I was like, wait, that's not what I meant. I thought I thought I had responded much stronger after you had said, like the night like, this day and this day, but all I responded was

 

00:55

Oh, yeah.

 

Collin  00:58

Really sorry, which is very unhelpful. I understand why this would be a little bit.

 

01:12

listeners.

 

Collin  01:13

Today is currently Tuesday. Right? It's still Tuesday. It was a long day. It's Tuesdays anyway. In discussion on Monday, we were discussing this week's recorded schedule and next week, and I cannot record next week, because it is our I mean, Monday and Tuesday next week, has had parent teacher conferences at work until I said, oh, maybe next Thursday. And Collin was like, yeah, Thursday, which Aaron, I think saw that part and was like, okay,

 

Aaron  01:44

Thursday, Thursday, just like, period.

 

Collin  01:48

Oh, next Thursday. spoilery.

 

Aaron  01:52

Bobby, ball good.

 

Collin  01:53

No worries. The break the timeline here but

 

02:00

tiny, little

 

02:01

behind the curtain. Action. So anyway,

 

Aaron  02:11

how's it going? Uh, well, new wise mean, work is is still chaotic. You're at a wedding this weekend. I'll text the text and complain about that later. had an interesting Saturday and an independent film movie. I want to hear more about this.

 

02:47

That's what I want.

 

Aaron  02:49

With the Three Kingdoms period of China recently. So that's what's new with me. Oh, man. The first thing my

 

Collin  02:55

also favorite period. Anyway, let's start with this movie, too. I want to hear about this.

 

Aaron  03:02

Also is called the night of kings. And kings is an independent film. Made in I believe it was directed. And shot in Ivory Coast.

 

Collin  03:18

Officially, it's the liquor devoir that is the official.

 

Aaron  03:21

Yeah. So my friends is not great. Um, it's our

 

Collin  03:27

geography teacher here, ladies and gentlemen, I apologize. Well, actually,

 

Aaron  03:32

it was very unique. Because I don't know what the last time someone says, oh, we're gonna film from a Sundance festival. So the movie theater. The name eludes me right now, because it's so just kind of like way out of the way it's in Tulsa. And it is the most non movie theater ask I've ever been to, like, you just walk in and they're like, oh, you're taking and then like, there's two people working is not very big. I think they have like three theaters that maybe see like 3050 people and each very small. Like if you can have like a really cool like that are gonna really cool vibe to it. So we go there to get our tickets. There's a group of people leaving to get in there. Kelly myself are the only people in this in the movie theater. And it's, it's it's about this kid who is sensitive prison. And in the prison culture of, of this area. There's like a power struggle between like the current, like, prison warlord, and a dude and like another faction in the prison. And then they're like, Oh, I don't think anyone's gonna watch this movie anytime soon. So they're like, oh, by the world or didn't die. I need something to follow along that hey new person. You are Now what's called the Roman and you have to tell us a story. And it's just this kid that tells this weird story throughout the whole process of a night. And then like, things go down, and then the sun comes out and you live and then the movie ends. So there's a lot of emotion into it because like, you realize, like, oh, we'll see finished this movie or the story before the sun comes out of the kill him. And I get some sort of like, weird ritual thing that happens. And so it's just the thing that you tell him the story and that you realize that it's though it's just, like a whole, you know, kerfuffle of storytelling, and then you know, some stuff goes down, and then sun comes up in it, he's alive, and then boom, credit. So there's not a lot of time to like, emotionally unpack everything, because you don't like you don't learn anything with things. Except for by like, the nicknames that they're called. You get to kind of like, if they were kind of hope, if I understood, like, West Africa, really? Yeah, West Africa, like, the stuff behind it, except for like, it talks about, you know, the whole political life evil, all that kind of stuff to kind of give you like the setting. And then it's like, here the prison in the in the jungle. And then you're introduced this, like, he was like, he's 16 years old. He sent to jail for the prison. And then they're like, Ah, oh, sorry. So is. It is a it's a lot different than a lot of the other international films I've seen. It's done titled, it's all in French. French Yeah, yeah. And so, like, it's cool, like aesthetic and the feel and the vibe. And then some weird things happened. And you're like, I mean, I guess that makes sense. If I understood it more, and then boom, ending. And so it, it was cool. But the whole the whole ride home shelter myself, like what it was, it was very unique. They had a lot of other independent Sundance films. They're big. So we're the only people in this sphere. The guy came in, he's like, Oh, just you guys. Alright, well, I guess I go and start the movie. And then we're like, okay, over here. And yeah, it's been just manifesting from there. Now. It's not a it's like an hour and a half. Long. So I mean, you just mean you get through it. And it's just, it's it's not like a whole. I don't want to say weird. I always think of like, the Oh, what's his name? Dan. Not Cooper. What's his name? mean? Stealing Uber? Yes. But his films that are like, Ah, this was meant to be weird. It was just like, a weird feeling throughout the film of like, partial uneasiness of like, fascination throughout the whole film, you know, if you get a chance to see it, if it's, like, on Netflix or Amazon, and they will, they will not be playing here.

 

Collin  08:49

I can guarantee you that. I don't

 

Aaron  08:52

like, Um, but yeah, it's just a unique movie that I was like. Yeah, like, I didn't get it. And then it's like, Oh, well.

 

Collin  09:08

It's kind of crazy. It sounds like a weird, like West African version of Arabian Nights. Right? It's very shares odd, where you have keep telling the story or you die, right. That's the connection I make first, right? Is that that whole thing where she just has to sit and tell all the tales and all the stuff like Aladdin and all that stuff?

 

Aaron  09:29

Yeah, I mean, that very good thing, but it's like one it's supposed to be one continuous story, but he's like, Ah, I forgot something. And I mean, as you

 

Collin  09:38

would if you realized you were going to be killed and it was only like 330 in the morning and like, Oh, I forgot to tell you about this bit. And then like back God, that's a kind of sense they would do that actually.

 

Aaron  09:53

So it provide a like, like a weird kind of like back and forth between like this He's telling and then like, right like, like the current, like the present time. And then oh, something happens. And this is a very interesting movie is my take on it? That's pretty cool. Apparently it doesn't have it has a very high rating on Rotten Tomatoes. When they go I try not to like use, like film critic, you know leveling things to determine if I want to go see a movie, but like when we saw it, like it's an independent film and it's like in 98 ratings like that. And so like, Oh, yeah, and then shall we found it? And I was like, Oh, well, yeah, we kind of get I'm very interested to see what was the old and I wasn't disappointed. But I you know, I wasn't upset. I was just, I was, I was confused. There's a lot of confusion. It was it we kind of had to, you know, again, because we're the only people in the in the movie here, we got to, you know, commentate like mystery theater 2000 or 3000? on one of

 

Collin  11:14

the great things about being alone in a movie theater. It's like, it's really, I don't know, it's a weird, because it's happened to me a few times. We're just like, a small group of people. And we were it.

 

Aaron  11:26

Yeah,

 

Collin  11:26

you know, it's like, it's really kind of neat. Because you can like talk, and nobody cares, like you do it. And most of the time, when

 

Aaron  11:37

I was showing myself throughout this film, we're like, what does that mean? But I've had experiences with with my friend, Darrell, where we like talk the whole time. And like, Well, yeah,

 

11:50

I mean, it's slightly different than the movies in French. And it's from

 

Aaron  11:56

what happened? Well, yeah, that was our that was our weekend, we get to go to a place called the gathering place in Tulsa, about the Riverwalk. Not the work, or whatever it's called, is a open Park. It has all these different attractions, we did that. We walked around, and then we we have lunch at a really cool place called mother road market, which is on Route 66. It's like a big food place that you can have, you have different options of eating. And then we did that with the movie here. And then we went home and scratched her head the whole time. So that was our that was our Saturday. So I've been, I've been in deep thought this entire time of what just transpired. And many, many videos later on talk about West Africa, and all that stuff. And so yeah, that's what that's what's been going on here, at least, though. Very nice. Very nice.

 

13:10

I want I want to know the second part now, what has brought about your current interest in the Three Kingdoms period of Chinese history?

 

Aaron  13:24

Okay, so there's so the main thing is that there's a video game called Three Kingdoms that's made by the total war people, and they like room for war, like a lot of historical games, and my personal all time favorite game of ever, the Warhammer Total War series. So thinking about that, and then just thinking about like, like, more so like ancient Chinese culture, and having that always in the back of my mind of like, Korean culture, and that Netflix series that I watched, like, a long time ago called freedom, or, like, the time period of Japan's first invasion into Korea, and their zombies. So thinking of how kind of like each country kind of influenced each other. And then I watched my part of what was it redcliff with the big battle in the Three Kingdoms, and then I was like, Well, let me just deep surge into this and the kind of, you know, also part of this time period and culture that was not that many people know about or discuss, because when you think of like mythology, you think of like ancient Greece or ancient Rome, and like all of that kind of mythology. But literally the part of this time period of Chinese culture is written in a book called the romance of Turkey. Um, we're not history ish is for like romanticize and, you know, into your incorporated mythology and so like there's history to it, but like these larger than life characters that come in, like don't go on Joe, and all those kinds of things. Yeah, like this did happen or Cow Cow that, you know that that happened, but to like, like there's a mystery behind it is like, you know its history but what part is and what isn't and then that just spiraled into, you know, the red Turban Rebellion and then like the the 989 princes period

 

Collin  15:41

Yellow Turban

 

Aaron  15:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah, one of the things I read was Yeah, yeah, the Yellow Turban Rebellion, right? Yeah, so it's just been a spiral effect. What happened most of the time is that I watched something or read something about a particular particular time period in history. And then I started like reading books or ordering books or diving into YouTube channels that oh my god, yes, I love this. And then, you know, a few weeks from now I'll watch something else. Like oh, I'm really into that now. So if you ask me like a week from now that like, oh, there was a time period I got well actually. It was it this during this time period, and like, what do you choose now like he did in Latin American history, but uh, you know, once so it's it's just gonna spiral man. It's a lot of motion going on right now.

 

Collin  16:35

From prep a movie and the movie and the confusing quagmire that he's in through Kingdom Collin for trying to keep up here. The Three Kingdoms period is like the end of Han Dynasty dynasty, China, like, starting around, like 220 ad. I think I just looked it up here. It kind of goes between that and like to, was it 80? Yes. So like this, like 60 year period, where China split into three kingdoms Get it? And like, they were really vying for power to take hold and to who is going to be in charge of China. And it like Aaron said, it's really fascinating because it's like historical, but also the mythology. Kind of around this time like

 

17:22

the people that was there

 

Collin  17:26

are It's nuts. Right? It's crazy. Like the story of what supposedly happened during the time with those people is insane.

 

17:38

It's like, this crazy story. There is like there's all this like, alliances and betrayals and

 

17:47

strategy

 

17:50

turning on people and like one single combat to the death and craziness and like,

 

Aaron  17:57

Man, it's it is wild.

 

Collin  18:03

There's all these like cool moments like the allegedly and they're they've been with holiday. So the story like the that like is attributed to like single characters where like, there's one part where the they're like escaping like the shoe kingdom is escaping. They're being chased out and like, they have to like there's a guy who just guards the last bridge. He's like, one of the kings like, are not King, but the leaders like best friends. He's like, No, I'm gonna guide the escape. So there's like this really like insane showdown. Where's dragon phi holds the whole bridge until they can escape and then like, runs away. And then I'll Guan you right guys? logically insane, like, really like the warrior god of China. Like that's how mythologized you become. My like is I have a red dot here. And I have that in two volumes on my bookshelf right here. I have the remains. Really?

 

Aaron  18:58

Yeah.

 

Collin  19:03

Did you did you get those? Do those last year? I got this a long time ago.

 

19:09

I can't remember if those were.

 

Collin  19:11

Those are not recent purchases. Okay. I read them many years ago. But they are really crazy. And then of course, this period immortalized in one of the most niche and bizarre video games ever created. Right? Dynasty Warriors. That's right. I love that game. That's my guilty pleasure game list. Right? Like dinosaurs. Like the game is not like,

 

Aaron  19:39

great, but

 

Collin  19:41

it's also like fun. And it's one where they just like, they just make more. And it's like, just the exact same game but like,

 

19:51

updated graphics and stuff.

 

Collin  19:54

I mean, it's not bad because they add some new features and things but it's like, Dynasty Warriors seven. Yes, it's The exact same story and it's literally that's what everybody that plays at once though that's that like that really niche fandom that is there back to niche things that's all they don't care that's the exact same game again they just Could you tell the eggs Could you give us a brand new video game and tell the exact same story think yeah with different characters now they add whenever they be cut like when they updated they have now more room for like more characters that are actually in the you know the actual tailors yeah so he's like add more random people like oh here's this other side guy did you did you was kind of important but we didn't have room on him Yeah, there's actually no room and the ram for him last time but now we memory plus increases we can tell more stories. Yeah, we can have more actually named characters instead of like the generic ones. So yeah, yeah, that's another guilty pleasure thing. But I also giant I just yeah, I find that time period very fascinating as well. So I it's like all the political maneuvering and all the craziness and like them. Oh, man. It's why there is not a summary like it's not like pages log about all the weird stuff that happens in that probably like

 

21:33

wow. Yeah,

 

Collin  21:36

I think it's cool not to I like that. It's fun. That's another random side thing that I'm like, oh, man, this period is so cool. And like nothing else like that. Collin, what do you been doing? We've been, though there's a lot, lot going on. So many how many West African movies have you seen this week?

 

22:06

So about average, actually about my zero.

 

22:13

I did zero to a half the same number of movies from India you have seen?

 

Collin  22:17

I watched eight more minutes of that movie.

 

22:29

One day audience one day. I am slowly Oh, there.

 

Collin  22:40

Yeah, so that's fun. For that, for those of you that is from episode this is only half over aware. We review and watch movies from Bollywood. And mine is still not done. So yeah, no spoilers listeners. I like them all very much. So much so that you did a deep dive watch like four or five. There's no time for it. Because mine is literally I I still have an hour and 15 minutes left. And that's to be fair. It was like quarantine times. Like we weren't in school. I wasn't doing anything else. Well, yeah. Shea do Shea. Yeah, so I had lots of time. What are you talking about?

 

23:36

Nothing but I don't. Yeah, that's why that's why that's why I

 

Collin  23:45

picked that challenge was like, wait, I need to do something. If this is their stuff I recommended Are you watching on on prime video. One day he'll finish? I did. I did. I watched it. I watched about eight more minutes. I was like, okay, we're

 

Aaron  24:05

down here. Moving on. So

 

Collin  24:09

no, it's been with a lot of the well the weather's getting nice and people are ready to travel. And so what does that mean? means they dog sitting extravaganza. And I am not joking when I say that in the past eight days. We have said more to two more people than we have the previous three years combined. It is it is insane because we're totally booked. We've been taught we that we have been at 100% 110% capacity. We will be at 110% capacity for three weeks straight.

 

24:51

Oh my goodness.

 

Collin  24:54

Yes. Yes. And so it's been part of the We had a family that left and they have three dogs. Again, reference last week's episode where I discussed the pugs. And this little like Yorkie thing. So, immediately, like already, we've got three dogs in the house, right. And so that's because one family left. And then as soon as like all these people trying to leave, it's trying to accommodate them and go visit them and also schedule and all this other stuff, though. It's been been a lot, but it's been fine. I mean, the dogs are, for the most part very well behaved. They're there. It's, it's nice. They're at the very end of their stay now. And by now they're they're used to the routine, and they they get it and they know, that's one nice thing about dogs that stay with you for a while when you boredom is that after about day four, they give it and they understand what's going on now. Yeah. And they just now right? Very rarely have we had a problem where it's day six, and a dog is still totally freaking out. Because those dogs, not at all. Those are just neurotic. And so that's good. So that'll be another week of just absolute mayhem. But, yeah, next week is looking to be to be even more crazy. But But yeah, it's been that's been I think, good. For my the other side of things. I sat in on a meeting, where I have never had to sit on a meeting like this before, where there were 30 people on the call. And I sat in those meetings before. But this has never happened. So that I started on this meeting, because we were supposed to be part of my work objectives this this year are is to reintroduce help reintroduce my unit to the department. Because we are technical staff, people are supposed to I only have a job. Basically, I only work when people bring me work. We can do stuff. But the heart the nuts and bolts of my job as somebody within the department contact me and they have questions about streams and watershed health. And then I can go do that. Can't really drum that up. So with the reorg, that has been so well documented on the show, we've talked a lot. Yes, all the chaos that that has ensued. And we are saying now that all of our German listeners just love to hear about that probably guys intermixed. That was a lot like hog hunting. And that's true humans love a good boar hunt till happening, maybe I don't know, no, no, I don't.

 

27:50

Your podcast for invasive species. Here it is. But

 

Collin  27:58

we're so disconnected from the people who were actually supposed to be serving now. And nobody knows how to contact us. And many people are now in positions where they should know about us. But they've never had to interact with us before because they weren't in fisheries, or they weren't in aquatic, they were in forestry or wildlife or then something completely different. But they're in decision making positions. They're setting work plan, and they're telling people to do things, but they don't know about. And they don't know that actually the way a lot of these things and projects are written. We have to approve them. We have to have hands And eyes and ears on project and give our recommendations a lot of times before they move forward. Whether they end up using our recommendations or not like we still have to go through that process. To do that, and we're now sitting in on

 

28:49

wonderful

 

Collin  28:50

district planning committees. case you're wondering, there are nine regions with is in MDC in Missouri. Each region has between three and four districts that meet once a month. That's a lot of meetings to sit on, when they all end like this. 30 people on the call. And these are all people who are making decisions and by law, they go, okay, Thomas, we'll start with you. And then we'll just go down the roster and give us an update on the project you're working on.

 

29:27

Oh, how they just they just turned it over. And the other person

 

29:34

has the floor. And they can just talk and talk and off. Oh, no. And one.

 

Collin  29:44

You can tell you can tell the kind of interactions that people have had previously whenever they get into the mic like some people would go. You'd say they look at their paper and they go Yeah, a couple landowners and Working on funding next. And then someone goes, I have cut down 337 trees, I have done five fires. I have contacted 19 landowners and I have made 18 site visits. I have worked on 14 ponds. And I have like they like they have this dash banged out. Right? They are counting Yes. Also can't wait to say the sentence I have done five fires sounds like an arsonist out of context like? Like, wait, what are you would you've done five fires at me? Well, it's like, were you supposed to write?

 

Aaron  30:37

Yeah. Oh, wait.

 

Collin  30:42

Hold on. And so, you know, my role I am not supposed to be I am not at that level of decision making. I am sitting on these and every everyone else in my unit are sitting in on these, I just have a present, right? Because this dump and they are talking about all their projects that are going to require funding, do need to typically, please have our eyes and ears on. And so it's just a way to try and get us better connected at a certain level so that we know what's going on. Because right now we have no idea I have cannot tell you what anybody's doing. And a lot of that has to do with the people who are supposed to be contacting us have no idea what their jobs are. Great, crazy, right? And so they're trying to figure it out. And the people who are doing the work plans, don't know what anybody else used to do. And so we're it's just one way that we can try and be a little bit more connected and just be visible. Like hey, yeah, we're here. We are technical. We are support. And we're here for you. So I you know, here's my contact information and move on but I just had to sit through that first meeting this week, actually, and I'm getting the other ones planned out. I just like rubbing my pimples like Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. And that does sound quite bad either.

 

32:12

Oh, and to our

 

Collin  32:17

our chimney has been is defunct. They blocked it off the top and patched up the roof and it just sits right below the roof like they tore down the chimney. But there is still a chimney in my wall. And I still have a fire. Yes.

 

32:31

And

 

Collin  32:33

stuffed up in the chimney down in the living room is a bunch of insulation. The pink Okay, yeah, insulation stuff that they've crammed up in there and I've crammed more up in the in the attic, just so I'm not conveying vast quantities of either hot or cold air depending on the season. You know, when just like leech heat into the attic. Ma that's just a fun thermodynamics experiment.

 

33:01

Yeah.

 

Collin  33:02

And so, um, the other day we are, I'm just going about our day, and I'm going in and out of the front door. I'm going in the back. And then I pause and i and i look because the the air had been smelling kinda like musty. And I was like, this is kind of weird. But we did have a lot of dogs in the house and pop lines open. True. So I didn't really think anything of it. I don't I don't know what happened at all. But there's a foot and a half of ash brick and automation sitting in my fireplace

 

Aaron  33:48

with with dust all over the floor and I'm like

 

Collin  33:54

what it's so I don't know if a dog was in the fireplace and looked up and saw a piece of that insulation and pulled on it. But I put that insulation there. And there was not a foot of ash and bricks and mortar above there whenever I did that, otherwise it would have fallen down on top of me. So I don't know. Yeah, I still don't know exactly what happened or if like, somehow like part like my chimney has partially collapsed inside. Yeah, that's a little bits of it have come down my chimney. But I had to go get a shovel and like was shuffling up all this stuff and then having Did you question small children in the vicinity about what had happened also did you be like Halo small girl? Have you seen this pile of debris in the fire? Do you know anything about you know, the kids that have been around it for a long time and I've never messed with it and we do have a dog His name is Harley. He's a German Shepherd. And he does too on a lot of stuff and he does get into things. So my first instinct was right, I'm perfectly fine. Blaming Harley because he's kind of a pill and his puppy though he can take but it was just bizarre because I was just like we a winded This happened because I live in my house and I did not hear anything.

 

35:27

Lhasa Winston's avocados I live in my house, clearly like, clearly.

 

Collin  35:37

Like, okay, it seriously was enough to fill fill completely fill a five gallon bucket worth of stuff. And tossed everywhere, but and I was just so shocked again, like, I When did this happen? I surely would have heard this, even if a dog had messed with it. But no. So I have no idea.

 

36:03

Not if it landed on top of the insulation

 

Collin  36:08

sated on Delta rock. those are those are the worst. Right? Yeah, right. So that was the most bizarre piece of my past week was walking in and seeing that after having been in the living room that entire time and then seeing that. I'd need to clean that up now. Okay. That you didn't think like, man, maybe I should go poke my head the attic and see if I still have a chimney attached to things. Is there a debris field and debris field? It's

 

36:56

like,

 

Collin  36:58

in the second storey, right, and then they I don't know. I'm not gonna mess it. Yeah.

 

37:02

Just so you know, like, Okay, well, that's fallen down now. All right. Check.

 

Collin  37:11

Yeah, like that sounds? Not every hole bricks are falling out. This is like an alarm bell. It was not like, it was not full brick that I did not have. I had there were pieces. And then there was like, the mortar that goes between them. And then there was that's also not good. That means if bricks could be follow next. Yeah, bricks could be so but I'm trying to figure out like, Where did all of that ash come from? Because ash doesn't sit like that sit like right, like sit is up on the side. And it should be black. This was not black. This was just straight up ash.

 

37:55

Was it ash? Or was it like,

 

37:57

disintegrated mortar?

 

Collin  37:59

Well, there were pieces of mortar in there. But it was definitely asked because it was so fine. It was it was it? Okay. Well, yeah, with my questions like is it is it actually just mortar, it's ground to dust and it's just fallen out. It could write like, it could sound like janky like really old bad mortar this disintegrating and it turns to powder. So it looks like ash. But it could be. It could just be mortar. This is entirely possible. I have it's just falling out. And that's why hunks of stuff are falling out of the middle.

 

38:33

Again, problematic.

 

38:39

Do you know I figure is mortar hold

 

38:41

bricks to gather? Right? And so

 

Collin  38:46

it is a lot of chimney above it?

 

38:49

A lot of Yeah.

 

Collin  38:52

Even though it's been lopped off at the top, there's still I mean, it goes so has to get all the way to the top though of two floors. Yes. Each. Yeah. Each floor. Yeah, my ceilings are 10 feet. 11 feet. in the living room. They were taller than that. So a lot a lot of feet of bricks. Plus somewhere in the attic. So it's it plus six feet in the attic. On top of that, yeah. Anyway,

 

39:21

that's my mystery, so I'll let you know how much more they're accumulating. and go from there. What a

 

Collin  39:31

fun tantalizing mystery where how many bricks are gonna come down the fireplace?

 

39:37

Oh, let me go. Ah.

 

Collin  39:42

Hey, got children. Counting practice today was fun, too.

 

39:53

Let's move on. You know

 

40:01

I've had just normal school stuff. Mostly I've had a bunch of a bunch, but like, at least two

 

Collin  40:12

What do we call it perspective teaching like students in my classroom? This last week? How was that? So I just show up, I was pretty good. Yeah, it's been interesting having to come through. So they just, they need observation hours, personal studies. And so they heard that my class is the place to be, obviously. So they came by no other reason. Yeah, no other reasons. Fine. Everything's fine. Yeah, they just came by so I had one, that day was there. Last week, I had another one. Yesterday, and today, oh, they just do an observation hours, they're going to teach a little, she's gonna teach a lesson tomorrow, she's gonna do my intro to my last project. And then go from there. So it's been interesting talking to them about that, that's been kind of cool. Like, seeing where they are kind of how their stuffs going, talking to them about just random things. It's been kind of interesting, seeing what they have to say about stuff. So it's been kind of a I know, it's been neat. And the why in the world they send to my class. I was like, I was like, do you mind if they come into you guys and observers? Like, I mean, you've been in my class, you know, crazy. It isn't here. That's what you want. You're cool with that. You're gonna

 

41:35

find him being exposed to that mayhem and trauma to fine.

 

Collin  41:39

My insanity. Plus sixth graders? Yeah, then yeah, sure. Go for it. He's extra special land in there. sixth graders are very intriguing. Well, fellas, so it's it's fun though. Today, we had a well, Susan came in today. Oh, cuz she's the district like, registrar, person and stuff. So they, we were learning about things you need to know to be in seventh grade. Because it's where we are now. Well, they came in, they were talking about our, our computer system that we use, and they were kind of her and that counselor came in. And they were talking about a mostly Susan was talking about how to log into this, the gradebook system from the student side. And so what that looks like, how you log in, and go to your grades and your assignments and everything. That's cool. from that side. Yeah, it's nice, because that's not a thing we do in sixth grade. Right? in sixth grade, I still go au

 

42:55

career.

 

Collin  42:58

This is how you're missing assignment. Right? Are we have like a assignment boards, you know, where we write the assignments in the whoever we're missing from just on the board, and they just look at it. And they go, Okay, I'm missing assignment. Here it is, boom. Nobody has told our seventh grade teachers about assignment boards. Apparently, it's due to advanced technology for them. So they were learning about how to do that. Just like in progress monitoring some stuff. And there's other stuff too, like their schedules on their, their, like the school calendars on there. All kinds of stuff. So they're learning about that system today. Which was a pretty good, because that's like the seventh graders rely on that lab like that. Like I said, they don't know, he tells you something crazy, like goodbye. Do you think so? To be able to be like, Oh, what is my grade right now?

 

43:53

Check.

 

Collin  43:54

Okay, got it. Like, that's some good info to have. So we learned about that today. So we're gonna practice that some and see how it goes part of that stuff. We're playing the counselor talk to us about planning a couple things like

 

44:11

the help

 

44:13

transition them to seventh grade.

 

44:17

We'll see how that goes. Well, I don't know. Yeah,

 

Collin  44:22

that was interesting. And then I was mad the rest the day, people are ridiculous. So it was like so angry. Oh, no. Like, irrationally angry because like I had, they finally let our kids go back to the cafeteria. Where to eat lunch, which I understand why you don't do that. Clearly. There's, you know, things happening. So they're like, Okay, well, we've moved around the lunch times and we've said all this stuff and then they they let him go in there. We have all these like cool, like, partition things on the tables, everything like these plastic dividers that they can sit by and everything and like It's fine. Friday

 

45:03

was fine. Today is fine. today.

 

Collin  45:09

I can show up at my door like 15 minutes early. I was like, What are you doing? And they're like, they may just leave. I was like, wait, maybe they made you leave.

 

45:16

Oh, no.

 

Collin  45:18

Yeah, I have no idea what happened. They got in some big like, a bunch of people are like no, they have to leave now. There's a bell. Like there's a bell that dismisses them. Like what the problem is? And I was just so incredibly angry. Or that I was like, What is the matter with you? Why?

 

45:44

Why?

 

Collin  45:46

Why can't you just listen to follow the schedule we have scheduled for a reason. Just do it this one day did you do one thing?

 

Aaron  45:54

I usually one thing and you let me down. But what the heck? Good grief. The box wants to

 

Collin  46:04

eat the classroom easier not to worry about you making bad decisions. be ridiculous. I'm still angry. I'm sorry. I can't you hide it. So well. I've got to be honest here. I did. Yeah, I was like, one of my fellow teachers was like, Well, I'm gonna message somebody about this like, okay, you do that? Because I am in no frame of mind to be messaging anybody right now. Angry rants, expletives? Possibly I don't want to do that. So like, that's, like, I didn't even finish my lunch was like, Oh, no. Come on. Even What are you doing?

 

46:45

I don't know. It was crazy.

 

46:50

As well as things that make me really mad because like,

 

46:53

people assume that like, my,

 

Collin  46:57

our schedule is the same as the rest of the elementary school schedule is like extremely malleable and, or you just make up the time, wherever you want. You can just fit it in somewhere else. That's the attitude that you get. But like, No, no, no, no, no, we have a very tight schedule. Right? It's all mapped out like to the minute, right? We don't have to we can't What am I gonna do with 50 kids for 10 minutes? Let them sit there. It might cut now. Come on. We do. particulars are so angry. So see what happens tomorrow? They're sending more angry emails at people. Like what are you doing? Stop it. Other than that debacle of people being ridiculous and not understanding how time works that only have clocks function like at

 

48:01

sumedha

 

48:03

notes on the on the clock in the in the cafeteria. Yeah,

 

48:09

this one just be like, hey, hey.

 

48:13

Yeah, this is when you leave.

 

Collin  48:16

I know. It just depends. You sad, too grumpy. But again, it's one of the things like I only need. Like, I only need to rely on other people for like a very small part of my day. And when that part goes wrong, it's like, why?

 

48:35

Girl? You've talked about that.

 

Collin  48:38

The rest of time. The sixth grade is very self contained. And we don't you know, we just do our own thing. Right.

 

48:43

And then when we we need other people for like, 30 minutes. That's it. That's all

 

Collin  48:51

right. And they screw it up.

 

48:57

Why? even angry?

 

49:03

Well, hopefully, tomorrow will be will be better. And keep them for the proper time.

 

49:10

We'll see. Yeah, let him eat that lunch man.

 

Collin  49:13

Yeah, that's. That's not that's not cool.

 

49:18

Oh, I

 

49:19

understand that. Why they

 

49:24

don't either. Like

 

Collin  49:26

a wall and they did the same thing to the fifth grade. They made it move a little bit early. They're like, well, the other kids came in early. I was like, that's their problem. They shouldn't be here yet. Yeah, that's not their turn. It's not their teachers clearly don't know how clocks work. So talk to them. Like we need to have an all staff meeting. Yeah, this is the hour hand. This is the minute hand. Ladies gentlemen, this is how it works.

 

49:57

When the minute hand He's on 56

 

Collin  50:03

then let the sixth grade leave the cafeteria. Boom, that's all I need from you.

 

50:11

Magic time. That's it times a flat circle. One, we're gonna

 

Collin  50:17

we're gonna go to second grade and get those little clocks like the yellow ones with the blue hands, you know? Yes. We have a couple of those in my house. Really? pop those up. Alright guys, look, here's a video

 

50:34

about the magic time. Gosh, that's frustrating.

 

Collin  50:40

It's very frustrating, is terrible. It's not like they just get like, oodles of time anyway. Sure, right. You know, when you're cutting the time off by like, 10 minutes. It's like what you're doing? Because like, logistically, they should only have

 

50:59

Yeah, it's like 28 minutes or something like that. I don't know. Like, whatever. So, but

 

Collin  51:17

it's fine, it's fine. You know that. You talked about burning time. And that's something that she was two women it was evaluated or kindergarten. Steve was on call, man. Right? Did you know she was? So yeah. So she did skip. And she caught the ball. And she was like, you have to scan but that's that's the rule. Yeah. And she, you know, she got she got 98 to 99% on everything. Except SAP. Right, or biggest thing that she was knocked on was that she could she didn't know

 

52:03

what the coins were. And

 

Collin  52:06

because they asked her what coin is this? What coin is the coin is? And I was like, they? We haven't talked to them about these results at all. But I'm like, Well, yeah. Because we don't use coins in our house. Yeah, like nobody does know, like that she you know, again, I understand that they have their standard checks that they have to do they have to be consistent. But I'm like, I'm fine. Like, that gets back to a lot of like, a lot of my problems with that kind of standard test of like, I understand there has to be a standard and you have to do this thing. But like, I am perfectly fine with my child not giving 100% on that. Because we don't ever use point, right? Oh, yeah. And again, if they like, Listen, I've been to I've done those kindergarten screenings. There's kids are like, What letter is this? What's a letter like that? You know, I mean, it's fine. Just got me, like, have me thinking about those kind of about those kinds of tests. And, and that it really is like, Well, yeah, if I would have known that. They were gonna ask her what a penny was, I would have sat down it. Like, while we were waiting for her to go in to the test, it'd be like, yeah, we would have done that. And we have it again. You're right. That is a very, like, there are some things like that, that are like, benchmarks of elementary school, that are not relevant to anybody's life anymore. Yeah. And the people that write these things in this state are all like 78 years old. And they don't know anything. If they're, like, ridiculous.

 

Aaron  54:01

They're all like, whatever.

 

Collin  54:03

So yeah, the fact that like, no, they gotta know how to tell time with the analog clock and like, why? Literally pointless, like, no. nobody uses that. Like, it's fine. Like, it's

 

Aaron  54:20

alright. Yeah,

 

Collin  54:21

they don't need that. They don't nobody needs to know what a nickel is.

 

54:26

I haven't paid with cash for anything. In yours. Nothing.

 

Collin  54:35

Because it's annoying. And it's another way that I don't like carrying in my pocket as we learn from our other episode. I don't like to carry things around. And what pockets. Yeah, so carry on pocket. nickels and dimes. No, I don't need that. It's funny. Nobody wants that. So right. And that's, you know, it just got me thinking of like how how that kind of stuff just persists. And people go, Well, this is the test. And this is how we standardize and blah, blah. And and so you have this this chest, this test that is unchanging. But yet, like societal and cultural shifts are happening, and the test isn't actually keeping up with that. And so you actually just end up testing the complete wrong thing, and aren't actually getting the result that you think that you're getting. Right. Like, because yeah, it's Yeah, because really, all you need to like, it's a much more relevant test for kindergarten, like, What shape is this? Right? Square Circle Triangle? That's, that's identifying. Right? It's the same thing, but it's something useful, and I think you will actually use Hi. Like, there are like, you know, you don't need no opinions. Don't use the thing I use pennies for is in my science class, I, I use them for my test to when we see which one sounds different. And I use it for weight, and we'd make boats to try to sink them think like, how many pennies do I stack in this thing? It's just a wait, I haven't I don't ever spend them? because number one, they're useless. And what am I? What am I spending on nothing? Yeah, so it's anyway, and I didn't want to come across it like that parent is just like, Oh, well, good. Glad my child didn't know that or like, or anything like like that. But I'm it's obviously not something that I'm going to be concerned about. And this is not just because only five, right? If not, it's Yeah, I'm not even talking about that. Like, the only reason we really did this test is just to just to know, right? It didn't nothing, wait on it. Nothing was in the balance. Nothing. We could have cared less. It was just okay, we can ensure that we're headed in the right direction with this. Yeah. Well, and you did they like to have that when they before they go to kindergarten, just like they said that they know what everybody is at to write. And some of those are actually really good tests, right?

 

Aaron  57:10

Like, weirdly,

 

Collin  57:12

the scaping thing is actually a really important test. Right? Right. So it not only is like motor skills, and stuff like that, it has to do a lot with like crossing the center line. Yeah. And ability to read is actually kind of tied to how well you can skip at a young age, which is weird.

 

Aaron  57:37

And very peculiar, but it's true. Yeah.

 

Collin  57:42

Yeah. And, and that centerline stuff is wild. Like, legitimately, a bizarre thing. Like you can see there are kids that cannot cross that central line, that imaginary line, like imagine it bisects your, your head vertically, like right through your nose. Yeah, that there are certain kids who cannot like move their hand from one side of their face to the other. Because they're crossover and their brain tells them stop that they'll like move their hand, and they'll stop in the middle. It's so strange. Yeah, well, it just so yeah, you know, I understand those kinds of tests and and just, you know, billion is, is just straight up reading books. by herself. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody who will listen to. And, you know, she'll sit with us and Megan, and I will be texting each other for different parts of the house or Megan's out or whatever. And William will be reading the text as I'm typing it. And, and so, I start being a little bit more sneaky. But it's true. It just, you know, have to read to the dogs. Perfect. Well, in on that, you know, I know, I know, that helps many kids to learn to read is to read the dog. So there are therapy dogs, which are just for that. Yeah, because they just didn't listen to you. And they're just like, an audience. And they don't have that pressure. And they don't have that. It's a lot, a lot less off that. But, you know, if there were something that we were concerned about, I would look maybe a little bit more at these tests, but Oh, yeah, I just I just couldn't I just, I just couldn't stop laughing. I was like, Oh, okay. Yeah, she, she got to see that part because she didn't know what a penny was. We're good. That's fine. In the grand scheme of things. I

 

Aaron  59:35

think we're fine.

 

Collin  59:36

Because she though she was they were doing like the, the memory but numbers of like, I'm going to give you a series of four numbers, and you have to tell them back. Oh, yeah. And she could do that to do it up to like, that one's much more important than Do you know what a nickel is?

 

Aaron  59:50

Yeah, yeah. Or like, or the.

 

Collin  59:53

It was, you know, pay read a story. And then they were like, Okay, well, what color was the duck or How did the boys feel in the story or things like that? And she did just so, again, all these things that are actually relevant. I'm like, okay, we're, but no one should have them anyway.

 

1:00:15

Nobody should have. Good. Let's further the true getting rid Hello.

 

Collin  1:00:30

I know that makes a lot of people angry. I have people like a lot of you know that like, to the coins thing. Right? That's the big debate, like, legitimately. We don't actually even need pennies.

 

1:00:43

Really? Right. But a lot of people get mad. Because they're like, like you said,

 

Collin  1:00:49

it's a it's a familiarity thing. You know? And like, I've always, always, there's always been pennies forever. And so why would you not have them? Even though they're like, not cost effective, and nobody uses them. And there was literally a coin shortage during quarantine because everyone just has jars full of coins in their house. They don't ever do anything with them. When No, but when, like, less people were out spending money on things. They were like no coins, because they're just in jars in people's kitchens. Like, don't use them. They're not convenient. And I would much rather see, like, as far as things that are, quote, you know, antiquated. Old, I would much rather see a return to an emphasis on cursive writing than on coin identification, or these kind of these kinds of skills or or whatever. I mean, that's true. But I mean, in the same vein, you also don't need to cursive writing either. I'm saying if, if you had to have a choice, right of like, is that's fair. We'll get rid of coinage unification. Or we'll, we'll get rid of cursive like, well. You just looked at me saying you also don't need cursive writing. That's not a thing. Right? That's, I mean, you literally When's the last time you hand wrote anything? Other than calling Aaron was last time you handwrite anything?

 

Aaron  1:02:22

Just for leisure? I think notes like for my literally all the time, but they have are those for you?

 

Collin  1:02:31

Or do those people need to see those?

 

Aaron  1:02:33

Oh, yeah. Now those are those are directly for me. Yeah. And all this other

 

Collin  1:02:37

people need to see what do you do?

 

Aaron  1:02:46

Like I as far as like things that I can do for people or

 

1:02:52

for your job when other people need to see it? What happens to it? Do you write it?

 

Aaron  1:02:57

I typed it up in an email or? Yeah. documented, like, here you go. Yes. So I will say I will say they kind of do with Collins deal. Shelby loves calligraphy. Yeah, like with, you know, going back to vs. Shall we love Liberty, and, you know, all thing. You know, kliger liquify with your word true. What is

 

Collin  1:03:31

that? I don't know.

 

Aaron  1:03:33

So she, I don't know. She She loves all things like that. Like that is, you know, something achieved, like she has like put pins and stuff like that. And so I that kind of feel anesthetic and everything like that. And so like, I think having that ability. I mean, like signatures are different, but like having that ability to be like, Oh, it looks like that. That's kind of cool. But I mean, the only thing I write in cursive is my name. And even that is a mess. A lot of times people are like, oh t sign this and I signed it. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, did I write that? But if you just wrote that, like, be sure. I'm sorry, but it's your whatever. So yeah, I get that a lot. People.

 

Collin  1:04:40

Yeah, and I'm not like I'm not knocking it because listen, I have a fountain pen collection. Okay, I understand. All I'm saying is it isn't necessary. Like he was saying with Shelby like it's a cool thing. It's a fun thing. It's a hobby, slash interest. It's not a necessary part of your life. Right. That's what I that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that's not cool. And it's not neat. And there are people that make really beautiful calligraphy things. But it's like, won't be able to just have really nice handwriting. But a lot of that is used for like, decorative things they handwrite like invitations, it's for like special events.

 

1:05:18

It's not

 

Collin  1:05:21

a skill that you need. Right? It's similar to be like, if it was 2021. And we're still teaching shorthand in school.

 

Aaron  1:05:30

Right, like, come on, they're

 

Collin  1:05:32

like Greg ruled shorthand,

 

1:05:35

doing that. Nobody, like

 

Collin  1:05:42

it's a skill. It's a cool thing. It was useful at some point in the past. Today is not the day for that. Right? So people that I'm sure that like, do it. I was some people like I learned a long time ago, obviously. And like, you could learn it on your own. Right? And just like fundies, you can like, wow, your friends with your stenography

 

Aaron  1:06:06

be like, what, what the world

 

Collin  1:06:12

is, is obviously, as a parent, and I'm sure as a teacher to have going, Okay, like, we're teaching this a like, why are we teaching it? are we teaching this? Because this is what has always always been taught? are we teaching this because it's actually relevant? And then on the second on the other part of that is like, when we're keeping stuff, like, why should we be doing stuff? Because? Because it actually plays a developmental function and role in a child's life? Or do we just want them to know it? So they can know it? And and that's obviously a balanced? Do you have to weigh because does like, I, for us, I know we will be we will encourage Lillian and Noah to work on cursive writing. I don't think it really does anything developmentally for them. But I think it would be nice for them to know that. But like, we will encourage things like skipping and obviously, you know, all of these things. So I don't know if I'm quite making the distinction there, as well as I'm trying to, but just that there is this balance between doing stuff just to do them. And there's doing stuff because they're actually developmentally advantageous, but maybe they're not relevant to current society. But developmentally, they're still beneficial. Does that? Yes. Does that make sense? Yeah. That's kind of like what the coin thing like? is it relevant that they know what a nickel is? Now? is it relevant that they could look at something and then identify and classify it as this thing? Yes. Right. Right. So it kind of becomes irrelevant in the whole testing what the thing is, right? I think they just use coins in that test, because it's a thing that at some point, everybody did. No. And we did use, right. But now it's like a what? who carries change in their pocket? Well, Ross, like not, I don't want that. And this, this made me feel really old. I was coming up the stairs. And Lillian was downstairs. She said, Where are you going? I said, I've got my cell phone. And there's a pause. And she said, Dad,

 

1:08:27

what's the cell phone? I paused. Anyway. It's just a phone. Oh.

 

Collin  1:08:36

I don't we just say phone. I we don't ever say I have to deal with my cell phone. Nobody says that. He drew it. She'd never heard it.

 

1:08:46

That's fair.

 

Collin  1:08:51

I you know, some of these things, obviously change and morph over time as well. It's just it's it's funny. Funny. Whenever you get it put back. You know, you're like, Oh, yeah, you know what that word is? Why would you

 

1:09:08

get funny? Yeah,

 

1:09:11

she was really confused. He was genuinely like,

 

Aaron  1:09:14

what's what's that? Oh, just

 

Collin  1:09:23

dad aren't all phones mobile. I know. Okay. And back in the day, well bolted into the wall and you had to put quarters in. You don't know what the quarter is, though. It's fine. Don't even worry about well, truth be told. When we say we have to. We're going to call somebody like when we call dad we call DD we call Megan's folks. We FaceTime them. But you know, right. We do a video prayer. We don't even do audio that my kids are still confused when it's audio only right? They do not understand where are you? Can I see you in the phone right like Are they? Right? just calling somebody is just using video, just what it is. And that's again, these these things, these concepts even chain, what does it mean? called them buddy? What does it mean to to have a bone a lot of these terminology change and to bring it back to these tests and these standards like are how do we how do we make sure that those are keeping up with the societal usages usage of, of those concepts? And and is that an adequate way to prepare and screen people? for? For these? Yeah. Education and stuff? Yeah, well, I know that. So a few years ago, the Missouri redid there's like, their Bernie Sanders. They do every once a while, they just decide, hey, we'll do and there was a big thing, right? If you remember this, let the cat out of the bag a little bit. Remember, like Common Core, right? Like, Oh, my God, core? Oh, you can't brainwash y'all that that's all another bag of fish that I'm not gonna open right now. But like Missouri passed their own standards that were different from Common Core, the same thing, they just call them something different anyway. Like, renamed and like, it's fine. And everyone went, Okay, because I didn't nobody knows what the talking about and read anyway.

 

1:11:37

But the

 

Collin  1:11:38

all of the standards like so for for like, for example, for history. The wording of them change to be these like, very vague things. Right. So where before, it was like a very specific, like, teach about, like,

 

1:11:55

Egyptian religion.

 

Collin  1:11:58

Right. That's what it used to say something like that. Now, it says things like, draw comparisons about how religion helps influence culture in ancient societies. Right, so you have this like, really broad brushstroke that you have to use to pick out things, right. And this, some people like

 

1:12:27

all the

 

Collin  1:12:28

all the people that talk but not all the people that want to generalize. A lot of the people I know that taught before, you know, that with the old standards, they're like, Oh, well, I don't know what to do. Now. I just doesn't make any sense. I don't have to do and I'm like,

 

1:12:45

it's, it's the same thing,

 

Collin  1:12:46

right? You just do. You can do all the same stuff. But now you have more leeway to draw those actually deep connections. Instead of like, very surface level, like, learn facts about Egypt

 

1:13:03

are not helpful.

 

Collin  1:13:06

Draw connections about how religion influences cultural development. And society isn't actually much more useful in the general context, right? Because

 

1:13:19

that's, that's a deeper level of thinking, already. Sure, right.

 

Collin  1:13:26

Your, your P's and Q's, your parlanti, your D, okay, level is increased. Sorry. So, like, whereas a lot of people see that as a negative and science is the same way the science standards are very, like, sometimes I have to be like,

 

1:13:48

what? Like,

 

Collin  1:13:51

they're all based on, they're much more broad, and they say things like, develop a model that shows like,

 

1:14:00

instead of, like,

 

1:14:03

instead of like an old one, that would be like,

 

1:14:06

you know, tell the steps of the watercycle.

 

Collin  1:14:11

Right, the new standard is going to be something like develop a model that explains how water moves through the Earth's atmosphere.

 

1:14:23

That's, that makes more sense. Sure. Right.

 

Collin  1:14:26

That's a higher thinking level that is, I don't even think says water. It says like, matter and energy, right. I think it's part of what it says. But you're kind of using that to say, Oh, this is how things circulate. This is all the then you bring in all the stuff right? You bring in all the sun and the evaporation and the radiational heating, all that stuff. Right gets wrapped up in there. And you have to develop the model parties. You have to show how it works. You have to be able to explain it not just like memorize The circle. Right? And I remember where transpiration goes, and you're filling the blank part. Right? Like, that's not

 

1:15:08

helpful. So those things are

 

Collin  1:15:13

color. And a lot of people see those as negatives. They don't like how vague they are.

 

1:15:18

You know, I mean, like,

 

Collin  1:15:20

they're not like, you know, like I said, a lot of people like, well, I don't know what that means. I don't know what to teach now. etc, same thing, it's just whenever they start changing some of the language, and if you don't quite, if you aren't quite immediate, immediately able to draw, you know, point the point in and make comparisons between them. That can seem really foreign. And yeah, and without having somebody sit and explain it to you like that you just got Well, they're, they're learning something completely different.

 

Aaron  1:15:53

Yeah, and that is the same thing.

 

Collin  1:15:55

It does make it slightly hard whenever I have to talk to like, what all my meetings I have, like the seventh eighth grade science teachers.

 

1:16:02

Right? We go Okay, well,

 

Collin  1:16:05

like, thematically, what are you covering? Like, what units are you using to talk about these things? Right? Because like, if they're going to talk about those things in in the room, because like, I talked about them in regards to like geology, meteorology, these kinds of things, right, your, your, your hydrosphere, your geosphere? If they're, if they're also talking about them in that context. Now we have we're teaching the same thing twice. That's not that's unhelpful.

 

1:16:41

So like,

 

Collin  1:16:43

but if I'm teaching them in regards to like, the atmosphere, and then she is teaching him in regards to like, outer space? No, we're fine. Right? No worries. Got it. So it makes those conversations slightly difficult, because you're like, Okay, well, I like or with the associates team, right? Like, well, I'm teaching ancient civilizations in regard to like, Mesopotamia, Egypt. Right? What what are you teaching them? If they're teaching the same ones about like, Okay, well, we did the same thing twice. So like, we need to change what we're doing. Right? I'm fine with that. I'll change I don't care about like, what we got it. It's kind of like, Yeah, when someone says a word, you start thinking of a response, but then you have to back up and go. Okay, before I continue, I want you to explain to me why you think that mean? Right. So yeah, that's very helpful exercise. For just like, Okay, everybody on the counter three, say, what you think this is? 123? You know, yeah. Okay. That's why we're having a problem communicating here, because we're all saying the same word, but to have a different thing behind it.

 

1:17:56

Yeah.

 

Collin  1:17:57

And, I mean, I had that conversation with the state team this week, because they are very much like, you know, kind of stuck in the mindset of, well,

 

1:18:09

you know, I teach American history. And they teach like,

 

Collin  1:18:18

World History. So there's nothing, you know, there's no overlap. Okay, well, that's not really true. Like, like, yeah, I mean, they're really bad about, like, why teach, like 19th century American history, and he teaches, like, the world history part, like the, you know,

 

Aaron  1:18:46

like the early part,

 

Collin  1:18:47

you know, or like, I teach, like, the ancient civilizations, and they teach like, you know, modern history, like, American history, like, well, so there's nothing that you teach that won't help my class. Like, that's not. That's true. You're not thinking, magically not thinking these broader strokes? Like I? Yeah, well, and that's that, that when things taught, or taught compartmentalize like that, and not automatically, it does make it hard for the students to make those broader connections, right, and walk away with a more fuller understanding. Yeah, well, students have a hard time anyway. Because they,

 

1:19:29

like, a

 

1:19:31

lot of times, you know, nobody should learn it. I mean, obviously, that's true. I apparently

 

Collin  1:19:36

I have a wall full of post it notes. Otherwise, that's my first activity. We start history as I have. We do the Why is history important thing and they they write on post it notes, they're all anonymous, and I just hang along my closet. On my cabinet thing. I just stay there. There's like a reminder to us what we're doing this for. But you know, this broader strokes are hard because like Like I said, it's that background is like, well, these aren't related or, you know, so it makes it difficult when they seem so out of context, right? Because Yes. Does King Todd have anything to do with prohibition?

 

Aaron  1:20:14

No, not at all.

 

Collin  1:20:16

But does the question How does religious beliefs affect the culture and society? Yeah, that question is the same, right? You can answer that question about King Tut and the Amarna period. And the 1930s prohibition, that question is still applicable in both situations. Right. So that is a much more useful way of thinking. It's just hard. When, for so long, I've been like, Well, I mean, like, I don't know how to help them. Because like, I teach civics and the I teach world history. So there's nothing to talk

 

Aaron  1:21:01

about, like, Guys, come on, wait. For like, you know,

 

Collin  1:21:12

they have to go, eventually, when I'm gonna have to go talk to the fifth and fourth grade teachers now they're like, well, I teach like one unit of history.

 

1:21:20

Thanks. That's helpful.

 

Collin  1:21:24

Dean, hashtag teamwork. Yeah. Well, I was gonna say the other thing the students have a hard time doing is making those connections between like, how all the things that you're learning in English class, are actually really, really useful in social studies, because it's like, Social Studies is literally nonfiction text reading. It's like the whole class. It's a big part of it. So when the English teacher tell you about, like, nonfiction, text features and how to restate things and answer, but guess what? We get to practice it. But if I don't say things like, Alright, we want to do this, like she said, right? They don't automatically make it. Because it's not always readily apparent. And I think some teachers fall into the trap of like, it's really apparent to them.

 

1:22:27

Right? So they just expect the kids to do it.

 

Collin  1:22:32

But if, if they haven't learned how to do it, and no one told them about it. Yeah. How are they going to do it?

 

1:22:39

Yeah, some of those some of those unconscious biases and assumptions like sneaky. Yeah.

 

Collin  1:22:44

Like, well, I know how to do it. Like, yeah, but you're 45 congratulate, and they're 10. So interesting. Right.

 

1:23:00

I've learned this previously, they have

 

Collin  1:23:04

not, you've had a bit more practice. This is like the first time they've ever done it. I would hope that you're better than them at this. Yeah.

 

1:23:17

Do you want a gold star? Like, okay, let's,

 

Collin  1:23:20

yeah, so that's the other thing that we talk about sometimes is like, how to be more explicit. Sure. And like, this is just like, and again, that's why it's really good to not be so like, stuck in your own land. Yeah. And not like knowing what other people are doing. Again, I have this benefit in sixth grade, because I work like super closely with the math teacher and English teacher, like all the time. Other you know, upper grade levels, they don't have that luxury, like they don't always know like, what are they learning about an algebra to?

 

Aaron  1:23:53

Sure. No idea. Right? They don't know.

 

Collin  1:23:57

But I get to go. I know exactly. That they are starting to learn about negative integers, which is always great. Because their brains are always like, What? What do you mean negative numbers? But like, I know that so in science, I can be like, Look, this is just like the math number line with negative numbers because like, for some reason, from sheer stroke of luck, the negative number line thing that he teaches, and my section of the atmosphere that's about altitude, yeah, coincide rather nicely. So well, I have like this altitude diagram that has like above and below sea level, and I'm like, Look, negative numbers. And just like math, and they're like,

 

1:24:51

oh, man,

 

Collin  1:24:53

sorry. escape it. Or when they write a sentence for my answer, I look at them. I go What would the English teacher say about that? And they go, Okay, fine. And they rewrite it. Like, would she accept that from you?

 

1:25:11

No. didn't fix it.

 

Collin  1:25:17

But you have to help them explicitly make those connections is interesting, because they don't always do it automatically. It is not. It is a complicated thing. Right? It's not something that just like makes sense. Like, oh, math and history are totally related. Like,

 

Aaron  1:25:33

right. But

 

Collin  1:25:35

it's not definitely completely RBS.

 

1:25:37

So Excuse me.

 

Collin  1:25:43

So we try to do some of that. But it's very hard. And we again, we have a very special like, unique circumstance where we can do it the rest of the alphabet, you can do it because they're, they're teaching all the same thing anyway. So like, they can say, Oh, look, it's just like we did yesterday in English law. But not so much when they get older because they don't know.

 

1:26:07

They don't know. Like,

 

Collin  1:26:09

what are you learning in English right now? What are they what's going on in science anyway? Like, that part is still

 

1:26:15

not known across things.

 

Collin  1:26:17

Across curriculums. Yeah, cross curricular thing. Teacher, my bad. Cheese brain can you tone down?

 

1:26:35

Sorry.

 

1:26:37

Kinda like you enjoy.

 

1:26:39

You're good at it. No, no, no, false. Well,

 

Collin  1:26:50

hither and yon

 

1:26:52

like we do like we do.

 

1:26:57

Rapper

 

1:26:58

towns again.

 

Collin  1:27:02

Love you guys.

 

1:27:02

Bye