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SPEAKERS

Collin, Aaron

 

00:05

Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast of three brothers trying to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon, Collin. And Aaron. On this week's show. Definitely.

 

00:20

What's going on?

 

00:22

Oh, man, what's the longest weekend? How you doing?

 

00:29

We

 

00:30

We barely missed, we missed out, get rid of it. I missed out on three and a half inches of sleet and snow today

 

00:37

by like,

 

00:38

two miles. It's a bit like feet,

 

00:41

probably I think,

 

00:42

almost feet. I mean, in the grand scheme of things. It was basically feet like mere mere feet further east, and I would I would have have had inches of snow this morning. Yeah, we had snow. But it wasn't a whole bunch. But we definitely had snow we had. By my reckoning yesterday in a 24 hour period, we had three out of four seasons. That's fun.

 

01:11

Plus, tornado warning.

 

01:16

Yeah,

 

01:16

do you have that? You had that we have.

 

01:20

Tuesday, we had that on Tuesday we had, I was actually doing a drop in on a dog. And it was like 645. And all of a sudden, I hear the sirens were up. And I'm like, Well, I got to get back home. And then they stopped. And that's always like, Why did you stop? And then they started up? Yeah,

 

01:38

it's a little unnerving. Like,

 

01:41

yeah, they started up again. And I was like, Okay, I guess they really serious. Better go home. That yesterday, a word up a little bit. And for a while had a news on me and for hanging out. That was fine. There was a it was funny, though, because we're teaching it's weather science time right now. And so this morning, I was

 

02:07

tell you guys,

 

02:10

I just like that news. And we've been talking about like, all those terms that you hear. And we've learned about like, what fronts are and what is that pressure differences. And we just did the severe weather presentations recently. And so they were like, Yo, I

 

02:28

awesome, is great. I had

 

02:30

two girls and they were at they were like, at each other's house or something. They were like over one of those houses. And one of them looked out the window on one side of their house and was like, Man, you should look at the clouds. They're really dark out here. And another one looked at the window on the other side of the house, like what are you talking about? It's really bright and sunny over here. And they're like, Oh, they went outside and they were looking at the clouds. And they could see that they were moving like towards each other. Oh, man. They were like, hey, that's what causes a tornado. When you have that wind shear right there. Like when you have those clouds moving towards each other. That's that front. That's how you can get a tornado. And their dad was like one of their dads is like now there's not going to be a tornado. She's like, right after he said that the siren came on and she was like,

 

03:26

see, told you

 

03:29

know, bam Got him. So job. There was some like small stuff though. Cuz I guess some houses got kind of like, wrecked a little bit. Some, like one of my kids no longer has a trampoline. Well, it's a it's gone. missing. Oh my gosh. blew away.

 

03:51

Yeah.

 

03:53

So there was some some stuff like real small, localized probably. And like, real high wind gusts

 

04:01

yesterday. But

 

04:04

that was fun. I just added to the insane week,

 

04:07

but it's been great.

 

04:12

It really has i i this week has gone by insanely slow. And part of that is it's spring break for us up here. And so Oh,

 

04:24

what's that?

 

04:25

I know No, I have a we have been everyone every literally everyone remember how last time we recorded and I was like oh my gosh, we're insanely busy with dogs. Now take that in and to exit.

 

04:38

And oh, wow. Oh, yeah. Yeah,

 

04:41

we have in one in a 72 hour period. I said we said we told as many people know, as are now currently booked for us. booked with us for the week.

 

04:53

Oh my holy cow.

 

04:59

Yeah. So that's insane.

 

05:03

That is insane.

 

05:04

Everyone was just like, we gotta go. And the number of people that were like, I'm leaving tomorrow. And it's like, like, no. We're not watching your dogs. Oh, sorry. I know. It's and you know, so in its in some people had situations where, you know, they had a family member pass away out of town and they're trying to like emergency stones right. But But I'm still like we can't accommodate right? Because we're filled with physically impossible, physically but it's not like we can squeeze one in, right. Like, that's not how this works so. So we've been doing our best to try and convert people who wanted to board with us into us doing drop ins in their house

 

05:51

dropping visits. Yeah.

 

05:52

And, and it's insane. Because as soon as we say that, people go, well, we'll just we'll just have our neighbor do it. And I'm like, What? Okay, whatever, whatever. Fine, interesting, but you know, yeah. So I didn't want to be that busy anyway. So I currently have I currently we just got a new one dropped off. She's a mini Aussie. And we have a Brittany, Brittany with us.

 

06:22

We have a Labradoodle.

 

06:26

I have a so called dog's weight. Now. I have a

 

06:31

three legged lab named trip. Yes.

 

06:35

A three legged lab named Wow. Wow, that's harsh, man.

 

06:39

Come on. why he's

 

06:42

so cute.

 

06:44

That's mean,

 

06:45

I know. What the heck.

 

06:50

And then who else we got here? Hold on. Oh, yeah.

 

06:54

I don't know what he is. He's a terrier. Something makes and a five month four month old lab puppy. So we're doing really good. Oh, my goodness. All the calm dogs contests currently.

 

07:07

Thankfully.

 

07:10

Yeah, with no barking at all with no separation anxiety. It's very nice. Right? Gosh,

 

07:16

right. Yeah.

 

07:17

So

 

07:19

I was telling Megan, I said, Would I rather have fewer large dogs are more small dogs. And I've come to the conclusion. I would rather have fewer large dogs for sure. Because

 

07:31

it's a lot.

 

07:33

Yeah, that's true.

 

07:35

I have to hold on. I've got to switch my headphones. Excellent.

 

07:44

Anyway, I'm back. Okay. All right. Good.

 

07:49

Yeah. My week a bit long. See, we had it was parent teacher conferences this week. So I had to stay at school to like 630.

 

07:58

Right. And then like, for Monday and Tuesday.

 

08:03

And then it's been great. We're in the middle of hiring a new superintendent. So it's like interview time. And so Susan has to be there for that. She's been gone forever. Yeah. You know, doing all the stuff. She's been gone for forever. And tomorrow was supposed to be a day off. But because of snowpocalypse I like nap, just go to school. But they usually always have Friday of the parent teacher companies take a week off, because it's just so brutal. Yeah, long. You have to be at school that long. And this this time, they're like, no, it's fine. Do it.

 

08:37

What morals are like, tomorrow's our like,

 

08:44

celebration for our positive reinforcement. So we do that PBS stuff, that positive behavior support thing? Okay. I never I don't remember what it stands for. Sorry, I'm a bad PBS

 

08:57

inspirational. I don't want to definitely Guana okay.

 

09:07

Tomatoes are like celebration for like, we track their positive behaviors. And if they get a certain percentages, we have a celebration day. Oh, yeah, that's tomorrow. What's the celebration? That's going to be well being is that it's still the time of COVID a bit and making a bit pandemic key. It looks like it's gonna be extra recess.

 

09:33

Yeah, there we go. Okay. Well, you know what, there you go.

 

09:38

Can't be too picky in a pandemic. And yeah, they'll get this is of course, hoping that the playground we're going to the playground that we nobody uses right now because it's like really far away. And it takes a long time to get back to the building. So we're gonna go there. Oh, and it usually drains off isn't too muddy. So we're hoping that's still true tomorrow. Oh, no, because it rained and snowed. So we're like, we don't have a backup plan, because all the gyms are booked already. Yeah. And they like didn't give us any notice about what time it was. So we have like no activities. So, worst comes to worst. We'll come up with a backup plan. We'll do like a rotation, right? Like one room can be like iPad room, they come to my room and play silent ball. Everyone loves the ballgame. Yeah, I've invented in my classroom. So we can have rotation of that. And we could just come up with one another thing to do. And we can have a little rotation between classes, boom, every couple, you know, 30 minutes or something, and switch them up. So

 

10:46

that can be fun.

 

10:48

I'm gonna suggest that tomorrow,

 

10:49

if it's really gross outside, that's my plan. So

 

10:59

tomorrow morning in science to calm down, we're going to watch part two of wild weather with Richard Hammond

 

11:08

said about water,

 

11:09

because that's why we started today. It's really good. I love. It's great. And so we're gonna watch that tomorrow to kind of relax. But it's just been crazy. It's like basketball season, right, too. So they've conned me into going some of the basketball games.

 

11:25

And I went to the

 

11:28

I went to one on Tuesday because I was already at school. And I couldn't leave until Susan had to be there till like eight o'clock. So after PE teacher conferences, I just went to the basketball game. And I went to the other one like last week.

 

11:42

They made me tired. All that yelling.

 

11:45

I mean, actually, yes, yes. I know. Know, my kids are like, my kids were like, well, if you come you have to cheer and I was like, like, you haven't. You're loud. I was like, Don't challenge me. Why? Like, you don't know. That's you don't know what you're getting into? that's included in the package. You don't have to pay extra for. Yeah, I was like, that's what's going to happen. Don't challenge me and so like I sat over in the student section because the parents really don't appreciate my enthusiasm. My cheering ability right my my rogersville bread. Insane cheering like I don't don't I was in the pep band for a reason guys. Yesterday was the music playing but also the Yeah, but also the extremely loud cheering it so the kids were really into it. I got them cheering That was fun. We harnessed the boys power for good. Their loudness and ridiculousness tried to harness some of that for good. And we cheered for the girls did a good job. We call that redirecting. redirecting. Yes. sounds really good. The first game I went to Oh my god, the girls gave me a heart attack. He was awful. Like, no, it was that they actually did really, really good. But they like came from behind in one and over time by like, a buzzer beater. Rebound shot. I was like, I'm dying. I literally I can't

 

13:15

think straight as

 

13:16

opposed to be like this. What are you doing? And then so I didn't get to watch all of their game this last week. But it was really the first part was good. They won again. And then the boys Oh my

 

13:34

god, holy cow.

 

13:34

What the heck? They did really great, too. So good. Good. Good times, shouting and cheering.

 

13:43

You know, again, so

 

13:46

some of the parents were like, the other teachers like he calmed down a bit. And I was like, never, never, ever.

 

13:53

Don't think you understand how this works.

 

13:55

I understand this works. That's not what's going to happen here. And they were giving tours to like the new superintendent to like the current superintendent and the principal. I brought my principal. We're like walking through the hallways, and I mean, they're like, great. My building principal loves it. Right. She thinks it's fantastic. So but I don't know how to call it. How are our current Superintendent feels about that? Well, you certainly made a first impression that's for sure. It's mine. be known for some time, I'm cheering for our kids. Man. I look, I kind of think of it too is like they don't know how to cheer for anybody. So I was telling them like, hey, hey, hey, we got to do this. Don't do that. Right. Yeah. Try to tell them like, try to tell the difference between like, we're not cheering against the other team. You gotta calm down. We're cheering for our team. That's important difference, right? We try to be not negative nancies in sixth grade, trying to be positive here. So we have plenty here. we want to make it a good experience for everybody so we're

 

15:04

we're not doing that stuff

 

15:06

we're cheering loud here we're doing that so it's kind of it's fun good times

 

15:12

so that was it and boy am i glad spawns friday oh yeah and i got shot on monday yeah

 

15:23

i think we need to be a little bit more specific no vaccine vaccine

 

15:28

around one

 

15:32

thing that made monday so long because i had to go i went early in the morning

 

15:38

to get

 

15:39

round one of vaccine at the drive thru clinic thing they had down so i had to get up a drive to that

 

15:47

and then when i got the pfizer one okay so yeah i got shooted in the arm it was really like

 

16:00

surprisingly the most efficient thing i've ever seen in my life they just had like a baseball field down there and they just like

 

16:10

drive through

 

16:13

they have him on they had nurses out there on both sides they like here here's his form stab fill this form out and as you were driving because you have to wait for like 15 minutes to make sure nothing happens

 

16:24

right they have some immediate sight like they watch for

 

16:27

yeah

 

16:28

and so there's like they're monitoring you so you just they just made a big view in this gravel parking lot and you just drive around the you and when you get to the end they're like you good yeah all right here's paper by like they wrote all that they wrote what time you got there on the windshield so they just were walking around looking at you checking you be like

 

16:47

wow okay by now so yeah it was kind of

 

16:52

like wow this is weirdly efficient for barry county like what's up pretty good here i can shocked by that so

 

17:02

good but didn't make the day very long very long so did you because of that and

 

17:08

then parent teacher conference that night was like did you have any side effects or how are you feeling

 

17:17

now i feel fine good he does in fact hurt like your arm

 

17:22

like is really sore for a while oh really but now it's fine it's kinda like a

 

17:27

think of like a really bad like tetanus shot

 

17:29

you're just like sore for a while like

 

17:33

that's all i had

 

17:35

any like late in the day i had a headache but i it's hard to know if that was related or the fact that i'm a sixth grade teacher right it's you know imagining it was just the fact that i missed a great teacher because i feel fine so

 

17:51

fast rebound

 

17:54

yeah it's like i have headaches all the time so like not all the time but like not uncommon like sure because it's you know you're on sixth graders all day so some interesting i said 686 106/6 graders are inherently headache inducing but they may contribute but they kind of are sometimes some days some days they are so they don't help

 

18:16

well that was that though oh that's

 

18:18

good after that first day of like oh hey my arm doesn't hurt anymore alright cool

 

18:25

right

 

18:28

dozy after the next one is supposed to be what three weeks i guess so that was one of the supposed to be like maybe you get like weird feeling but i know i've talked to a lot of people that just like

 

18:43

is fine so let's see that's been basically it long origins week been busy yeah i like it

 

19:05

i think way too busy he's like yeah can i be a little less busy please yeah when you start getting that i mean it's fine but it's hard oh sorry is it things where it's like it's manageable but it's not exactly the most pleasant thing in the world

 

19:24

yeah exactly he's just like keep going yeah i think just a little bit more area aaron what do you been up to well it's also been an extremely long week me i am on call sale all the all the crazy that's been all pretty much all of my week is in dealing with all of that nonsense Then Shelby's sister spent the week with us. And I did not know that a five year old girl can eat so much snacks and watch so many foreign movies in like a three day span this like we put on

 

20:23

the idea, you can tell me that I have 200 girls all day. They're

 

20:27

nuts. We put on Rob Zombie's album 1000 courses, that movies not for 12 year olds. Yeah. I said, No, no, that's interesting. And I was like, I'm done. She's like, Yeah, fine. And then once it's done, it's like, oh, actually, we like that movie.

 

20:54

That movie is messed up.

 

20:57

Like, yeah. So he or she did that with, with the Shelby show. He was not a fan of it. And so we watch there. And then they watch like, not one of the Poltergeist movies, but something along the lines like that. Then some movie about assault and whatnot. Question mark. Now let's see. Oh, Chucky.

 

21:33

I'm out. That's a toy story. I've heard of Toy Story toys, on toys.

 

21:41

They watch that. And then we watched them. Excuse me? Yeah, Stranger Things yesterday, and then I had some sick crazy stuff go on. But they also and all children can just out out on on all of the junk food as we went and got like, junk food. And they kind of you know, I go Yeah, sure. You know, whatever. Just call him joy and do this like not at all like that. I've never seen any small human to stay on that much. But it was it was all of the consume. And so we did that. The Snyder cuts for Justice League films cannot say do this. I have them. Yeah, I know it is four hours long. Oh, and so watching if you say

 

22:35

we'll be looking forward to your report next week. That is not a challenge. I'm going to get on.

 

22:43

Always been extremely excited for that amount. So that came out. And then I I got home super late today. This is gonna be a long day tomorrow and I'm going to Oklahoma City this weekend. hanging out with friends. Shelby's gonna go down to Texas and do some shopping with her mother. Or it's her mom's birthday weekend. So they're gonna go down and do that. And so I'm I got a free weekend for one. And so I'll go down and do that. All right, good. Yeah, that's that's what Aaron has been doing this entire weekend just been one crazy thing after the other or going home and being like, oh, you're still watching horror films. Yeah. You're

 

23:34

not watching. So don't

 

23:38

mind me. I will not say that. My horror film experience has never been that great. I watched signs in Kansas and so that freaks me out. So I'd have different tastes interio whenever you're watching the film, I want you with Kevin Alec. And I was like, oh, wow, they'll get formed and then like, you come out into the parking lot. Just corn they're like, Oh, um, oh, no. It's it's just been you know, in my mind ever since I quit Oh, yeah. Watch that. They did all that stuff. I mean, they see me because it's pretty great for them to and I unfortunately do not get to be great. And so I was I got to the Washington has gone from a distance for a while and

 

24:59

I remember fun. it's

 

25:02

fun i remember that so yeah they got to do that and then yeah the show morrow once work is done i'll be leaving tomorrow for oklahoma city and that's that's not it that's been aaron's week in a nutshell late nights i think you're in there all the all the documentation documentation

 

25:38

hey i had a question about you for you on that i know that early on in the pandemic there was concern about reporting and accountability and people

 

25:52

reporting

 

25:54

child abuse and concerns and there was fear that that would go down because schools weren't in session and there were other things how has that panned out and what what kinds of things have you seen as far as just general trends of reporting as it sounds like it's increased in frequency

 

26:11

lately yes and no usually by though it fluctuates basically as will goes in schools or in session it's usually busier regardless yeah a lot of people were concerned that that it's still sort of is kind of how it pans out if you think about it like schools not in session either due to like some sort of holiday you know things go nail calls go down school comes back into session no goes back up we're also sort we're seeing kind of a big trend of you know the quarantine quarantine went down or started this kind of last year aka nine months so we're also seeing like pretty high birth rate go up that's the thing and so we're getting a lot more like younger faces counties like so osage county for those of you listening if you don't know is the largest county in the state of oklahoma however we are the most parks we have the very least populated because we're you know we're so big we're so spread out places like oklahoma city oklahoma or sorry yeah oklahoma city and tulsa they're their own counties but they're separated dhs or welfare wise into like separately districts and they are constantly busy like it's not very so in in our county on an in the normal week you're one person is probably going to see like a case a week and tulsa county on the other hand they get about like one worker can get like three cases a day and like you have to get those cases done that day kind of thing is with them it is like it's a much busier you know or deal is no more constant i mean like on a busy week for us i mean there was you know we help other counties i guide one case a day for an entire week and then there was one time where i got two cases a day wow but there wasn't there wasn't really kind of a print if you if you will i mean it was just the the sheer amount of stuff that we got and just the no one what kind of things that we saw and i can't i can't go into details as far as like the fda ngo but there are a lot of things that like ranging from you know oh this this shouldn't even be investigated to yeah i need to go out with law enforcement like now kind of stuff so there's a there's a big if there's no way to know like what's gonna come in it just kind of happens then you're like ah i was like i'm going to be you know dealing with 12 different kids today so this will be fun i can't there are kind of hippie sp director it's sort of statistical thing and i just have a look at orcadian because i've been wanting us to do this and also do all these trainings of how to properly wear your mask when you're visiting families did not seem like you're no dangerous no But just pay me for my mileage. Like, let me go do my job. I don't need your if you did your training, they don't care. But a lot of that, but as far as like actual, like, statistical trends, I can't tell you because they usually, fortunately, with the school year, when it first started, yeah, we like there was like, two weeks where I did not get a case. Like at all. And it was nice, I got a lot of documenting done, I did you know, you know, I got I got a lot of faces down, I was literally down to like, 0%. And then like, boom, the week after that, I got three cases in two days. And I was driving all County. And, you know, I went from, you know, maybe like 10% on my caseload to over 120%, which just means they base it off of how many children are in each referral. And we go from like, 10% a mean, aka like, one, you know, to Oh, boom, here is now Oh, all of the children, it. It was a vastly different vibe. Oh, I'm not doing anything I don't have to do and then like, oh, it'll, here's all this. So, um, other counties could probably tell you like, No dude is like crazy, like all the time. But like for power County. Sometimes it's like, I haven't had to talk to a single person at all. And it's been great. And I love it. Or then you're like, I visited three separate families in one day. I don't know what time it is right now. I didn't eat lunch. Yeah, it just, it just varies, honestly. Okay, well,

 

31:57

I mean, that's good to know. Because, again, when when this all started happening, especially when school started to shut down, and that was a big concern. So just sounds like there's there's always fluctuations and you're just always kind of busy and sometimes not so

 

32:13

I remember reading a lot about people and and that concern of, you know, there's not going to be evil monster during children are no evil, no one's going to be there for the kiddo. And like, we did see that that was that was the thing that did occur. However, there was always a way for someone to report something. Sure concerns. So the fact the fact that there were people you know, their or wherever they may be, you know, being supportive, being vigilant. Helping give out has been tremendous. And so as far as like, Why hello. I have all of the blood on me.

 

33:04

Sound like one of my sixth graders again? They do that are probably like, Can I have a band aid? Like why? Like I'm bleeding?

 

33:09

How are you sitting at your desk? What are you doing?

 

33:14

Sounds like the start to a horror film actually.

 

33:16

True. Aaron, check your back.

 

33:19

Where's the knife? Is there $1? Yeah.

 

33:23

I watched some nature documentaries. They talked about like, the different levels of like, peaches and crazy leeches. That's weird. And then like I looked down on like, recently so I don't know what's happening guys. I'm

 

33:47

terrified.

 

33:50

You are just bleeding. Okay, well give us on that every every every little bit. Okay.

 

33:56

Yeah, I'm very worried you have band aids.

 

34:02

Yes. Wider. Here we go.

 

34:06

That's not a band aid. was getting lighter. brighter writer. That's definitely worse.

 

34:15

I have hand sanitizer and a lighter.

 

34:20

This is about to get real bad ladies and gentlemen. I apologize. Have you ever raised a wound?

 

34:30

Neither have I get to blame you. This is one time. What I didn't realize how hot you needed. Yeah, so isn't boyscout Yeah, that probably doesn't help my story much. But I watch Bear Grylls I was like, Look guys, I got a little gun. I'm gonna fix it myself. And I stuck my knife in the fire. Like a minute and like stuck it on my leg. What is more? Yeah, it's embarrassing. Not my most proudest moments.

 

35:07

They say that's like a. It's like a last resort for like a massive wound. Yeah. And like a small thorn. Yeah, I've got a small little Nick. A better birthday

 

35:19

clothes. Oh, dear. No, I have

 

35:26

not done that. That's good. Please don't do that again. Let's not start now. All right.

 

35:44

Aaron bleeds out on air.

 

35:48

Well, that's unfortunate, because I had a follow up question for Aaron about something completely different. It's gonna change subject to something else.

 

35:55

Aaron, why wanted? Go ahead.

 

35:57

Yeah, yeah. Before you bleed out. I wanted to ask about you text me earlier this week. And you had told me that you were reading the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. How's it going?

 

36:09

Yeah. Hold on, hold on.

 

36:11

Hold on. This is not a visual program you don't need to pull out. As you can see, ladies and gentlemen, I am on page

 

36:22

700 out of like, my two volumes. I go out in this version, I got page 613. On say, so the events that were that are chronic alized the person wrote this stuff down like 1000 years after all this stuff happened. Yeah. ancients, ancient Chinese poetry. That's not the right word, is it? It is like

 

36:54

prose, though. It's very much kind of like in the style of like, the Iliad, right, where she's telling you a thing.

 

37:01

It's not like any, like, first of all, it's not like any, like, history book I've ever read. I've read a lot, is, it's very like, hey, this happened. This person did this. And Oh, and by the way, this happened. And then it throws in there some sort of like random fact about some random person. Yeah.

 

37:29

And also, there's like, like, an abnormal number of beheadings in that look, just what we know is like that it's like, and his head is cut off. Like what?

 

37:38

What? Yeah, so it kind of helps. There's a few, so I'm also playing the Three Kingdoms total war game, there you go.

 

37:50

I was waiting for Dynasty Warriors.

 

37:53

super hard. And as I've watched by some YouTube videos to kind of like briefly on like, what I'm getting myself into. It's, it's very, like cool to see like, oh, wow, this is how like, you know, like, this is this is the book that you know, started you know, all of this that no, yeah, Han Dynasty and mobile, but it's just so like, weird to read it. Because I just got to the part where Dong Jo was tricked by Governor's like, daughter, yeah, Dong yo. Yes. Easy now no spoilers like,

 

38:35

is yes. No spoilers for this 2000 year old story.

 

38:40

Like his right hand man was like, Oh, this was promised to me. And then he like, like, Oh, well, that's a classic. Like, I get it. But yeah, there's more substance by that. Really?

 

38:54

That's true for a book called The Romance of the Three Kingdoms. You like to kind of have some more detail, please. Like it's not

 

38:59

very romantic. Yeah, it's just

 

39:01

like, it covers so I'm reading up more on this book while you guys were talking. Just some book stats. So this covers what Uh huh. Yeah, it's a long period of time. It covers 100 years. And it is with nearly 1000 dramatic characters over the course. It's It's so dense to put like the dogs one thing is like the very beginning and then there's like all those Yeah, it's crazy. And

 

39:27

and booboo, I had to look history. strongest way.

 

39:32

The number guess what the average number of words in the typical novel is

 

39:39

just a normal novel, normal. I don't know why. A couple

 

39:41

1000 maybe 40,000. Guess how many words are in this book? Like a million. That book is so huge, just about exactly. Just a total of 800,000 words. Yeah, I have it in two volumes. slides, I have Volume One and two, and it's like 1000 pages together. So my question is raised, so you've prayed and you read the whole thing or parts of it or Yeah, okay, I've read the whole thing. Okay. And Aaron, you're now reading it, but it's been a while. How do you even keep track of all of those? He's on seven words, all of those characters over the course and let it have an impact on on you the reader, right? Like I think it'd be easy to read it like a history and end with nothing and have no impact or no, but it's supposed to be the romance of that. So

 

40:40

like, how do you Yeah, all that

 

40:42

and still be impacted

 

40:43

by the story? my

 

40:46

takeaway from reading the whole thing is there there are like,

 

40:51

some defined acts.

 

40:54

Right. Like there are like a whole bunch of mini story arcs that happen. Okay, right. There's like the thing with dogs. Whoa, that happens. And then there's like some stuff about like soon Jan. Right in the soon kingdom. And then there's kind of like a section that's about like, Lee obey the Peach Garden. Peach Garden.

 

41:13

Yeah. him and his, his quote unquote, brothers.

 

41:16

Yeah, brothers.

 

41:17

Yeah. Let me

 

41:19

Yeah. Zhang Fei and Guan Yu.

 

41:22

Right. They

 

41:24

so there's these kind of like, mini story arcs and everything. And then there's stuff with Tao. And there's like the Deon way, his body guard and how he like sacrifices himself to save him in the castle escape thing, like all that stuff, like. So there's, it's weirdly it's weird, because it's like this huge dense like 100 year saga, but it's broken down kind of into these, like little mini arcs that occur, or that are kind of interconnected to tell a full story. Sure. Right. So it's kind of like reading a series of events, like this event happened. And then like, this event happened, and they're kind of tied together in some way. But you can kind of read parts of it and kind of stop and digest that bit. And then read the next bit and kind of digest that and see how it's connected. You do kind of have you cannot read it just like you know, like a novel where you just like blast through it, you know,

 

42:21

you like do to do read the paragraph real quick to kind of like understand, like, the, like the terminology is used in this book, because this is the one classic. Having sworn their mutual Alliance. They agree that in this book, they use his name, not new day, but it's like, done a zante Oh, yeah. will henceforth be considered the elder brother, long you the second and young fade the third, having vowed before heaven and earth, they meet and share out the line and write the 300 or so who have agreed to join them from the surrounding area to feast and drink with them in the middle of the people. doing a lot of information, just the back. Okay, this book is weird, because after the chapter, like you'll read a little bit, and then like we'll have like, I kind of follow up like the Dragonball Z, like, epilogue thing because it's like in this one, he must die. Zhang Fei shouts, he drops a sword rushes back to the Imperial forces camp intends on killing Dong, Joe. And then it says, Dong Jo, survive. This will soon be revealed. And it's like, boom, next job.

 

43:38

is amazing. Also, Zhang Fei does that a lot. He's a very angry boy. Like, he's gay.

 

43:44

I noticed it, like in my, in my mind, like, I was gonna read it, like, as a history book. But it's not like that. But then it's like, but it kind of is.

 

43:56

Yeah, it's weird.

 

43:58

Sure. It goes, it goes through this. And then like, especially when you get to the like, on what you were talking about, like keeping all those characters like legitimately focused. Like once you get to like the eight princes, period, like now, yeah, really goes out the window. Because birth it is. Well, yeah, but

 

44:21

the princes don't matter. Because it's the other important, like, leaders of the territories that are the thing like the warrior people that are involved. Yeah, that's the focus of the story.

 

44:32

In this, like, it talks about, like, you know, there's definitely like the people that you need to focus on. Especially when it actually gets to the Three Kingdoms of culture. How do they and see the guy

 

44:47

soon say,

 

44:48

yes, and say like those people like, yes.

 

44:52

And then his later his brother, soon Schwann.

 

44:56

Yeah, I can't, I can't keep all the Emperor's in Because it becomes a nightmare. Afterwards,

 

45:04

we have it there again, they're not important because they're like,

 

45:07

you know,

 

45:08

those three leaders are like using them to help get advantage on the other one to be the whole thing. Yeah, that's great.

 

45:20

It takes a little bit out. And there is sometimes like, this book, it actually kind of gives like a little brief like, like, who the person is, like, like, like, how are they related?

 

45:35

Like, the cast list almost kind of

 

45:37

nuts also gave me like, Yeah, this one also gives me like, analogy. And then it has like a little, it has some pictures in it. Because that person is gay. Yeah, it's so easy. Ah, yeah, I dove into it. And then I'm like, I, I set it down. I haven't touched it in like, two days. And I picked it up three days I was on I was like, Oh, crap, where am I? Who are these people? Oh, no. I was like, Oh, yeah. This person's doing this. So. Pretty good. All right.

 

46:16

Well, that brings me to my follow up question I want to ask about not sort of like books that are outside the standard. Just kind of like the text structure, right, because you have almost books kind of follow a similar text structure story arc, you know, you get that like Western. You know, the one of the called the plot diagram, the kind of follow, right. Do you like I just wondering if you've ever read any other books that are like, outside the norm that struck us like,

 

46:52

bizarre? and were like,

 

46:54

they often more difficult to read? Because they're so different like that. I was wondering if you had either Have you had any examples from your reading your literary past that sort of struck you as just kind of like outside the norm of that standard text structure? Kind of like how this one is? It's just very, like, very dense. Very,

 

47:14

like, What? What's, what's happening? What's going on? Great question. Um, all anything you can think up your head. I think,

 

47:31

for me, I think the first time I had this level, that impact of this is not written the way I'm used to reading was when I read Robinson Crusoe. Oh, and I learned of the invention of this semi colon. And because in Robinson Crusoe, at least the version I wrote, read, you would look at the text and you'd be like, that is a full paragraph, and you dive into it also, in your like, This Is Us sentence, this is all one sentence, because it's just semicolons semicolons, like, two semicolons in a row or three semicolons. And, and, and coming from everything else that I had read, and now how it was written, the end having to for me, when reading that one, it was written in such a way that you had to simultaneously hold all of these same ideas up in the air, before you reach the period of the end of the sentence before it all made sense, right? Like that, that style of writing of like this, this thought and this concept moving in this direction, but also this thing moving forward, and we're gonna put them together at the very end.

 

48:39

To me,

 

48:40

it's not I don't think it's not it's not exactly like a true literary literary difference. I think it was more stylistic what what they wrote,

 

48:47

or the way they wrote. Yeah, but, but

 

48:52

to me, when you were when you were describing this feeling of reading something that was just wholly different, in required a new way of thinking or processing, what's your reading like that? That was the first time I just have a very distinct memory, of reading through that and being forced to actually like, Okay,

 

49:11

I have

 

49:11

to process this book

 

49:13

differently

 

49:15

than I did. I could read a red wall or a Harry Potter or anything like that, like it's gonna take a little bit to work through this.

 

49:22

That's what I

 

49:23

yeah, that's another that's a good point. Like how they, how they use punctuation and grammar. I read a book, where's it on my shelf? It's called by Gaslight by Steven price. And it's a book about like Victorian London, like it's all you know, it's right up my alley. It's like Victorian London. And there's like, one of the pinkertons is there and he's chasing down this like mysterious thing. And they're trying to solve this mystery from the past. But the guy that wrote it, it's his first novel ever, and it's, he's a poet. And you can tell because like, there's no quotation. There's no like standard punctuation. So like when people are talking, you have to really be like who said, Yes, happening? Like, it's not structured in that, that dialogue structure, that standard dialog structure that you're used to seeing?

 

50:11

Is not there?

 

50:12

Yeah, it's non existent. And so it's really kind of, it takes a lot a while to be like that what's going on what happened? Like what? to kind of follow it. And it, it's really good once you get into it, and the story is good, and it's fine. You can also tell he's a poet, because like, every once in a while he like, throws in like by Gaslight in like a random sentence. You're like, okay, yeah, I know, is the title. I get it.

 

50:43

Oh, yeah. Sounds like, well, and I think,

 

50:49

I think for me, too, like, I've tried to think of other other times where it's just been made readily apparent to me, I think there are for me, reading through passages of the Bible, at least of going okay, how did how would a writer structure this thought? Right? Like, how would How is that how would this this, but you know, that's a little bit more like, again, this translation from a foreign language of like, okay, we're gonna put these kind of thoughts are always at the beginning of the sentence, and then we're going to structure it around that and bring it you know, so I think there's, for me, it's always trying to remember like, okay, culturally, historically, how was this would have this would this have been written to piece these thoughts together? Because a lot of times, it's the first sentence is the take home statement. And then there's, you know, the allegory or there's something in the middle that if you just blest through it, brush through it, you're not going to see how it's all interrelated, right. And you get to the last one, it's like the bus and you're like, put that we weren't even talking about anything. Do you mean last? It's, you've got to go back through and parse back through this. Okay, though, this is a whole actually together. It's just it seems weird because of how they wrote and how they put together thoughts.

 

52:06

Yeah, that's a good point, too.

 

52:09

Because Yeah, sometimes it's really hard to be like that, like decoding, what's happening by any religious texts? Really, right. Who are they talking to? They're

 

52:18

so old.

 

52:19

Yeah, they're so old. They're written in a time in a language in a structure that's not familiar. And so I kind of slacked. Right? For me, a lot of times, it's like when it says, you going, Okay, who's the you that this is being spoken to me? Is it? Is it the crowd which crowd to whom in the crowd, or that is being direct? Yeah. Like, there's a lot of that, especially like Paul's letters, right. They're very, that's a very specific you. Right? It is he's talking to like, a group of people. Yeah. And having to need the context of like, who those people

 

52:56

are.

 

52:57

Yeah,

 

52:57

yeah. And so I think that that may be a slight tangent to what you're getting at here. Because that's like, Okay, I'm studying this, or I'm looking at this now. It's still it still counts. I think it still fits in just as like a non standard is just kind of was going in anyway. Sure. They that's kind of my, my question here. Because that's another I guess another one is like any anything that's like, super old. Yeah. Right. When you read like Canterbury Tales, right, sometimes it's just like,

 

53:31

it was

 

53:32

like Beowulf, you know, when you had to read bale overnight at school and realize why was just about to bring up Beowulf. I know that that popped up a few shows ago. But But yeah, Beowulf is a great example of that of going I have actually no context or foundation

 

53:50

to even know how to approach anything happening. What? So Aaron, do you have any anything? I was gonna say the first time I ever tried to read like, the Iliad and the Odyssey. Yeah. Cuz, because I again, like I was thinking like, Oh, this is a history book. It's going to sound like this. And it's no, like, I didn't understand like, how it was, like, broken down, like, the different organs that are in it. And you got like, what does that mean? What? So like, that was like, I never finished it. And then because I was like, I don't know what that means. I don't know. And then like, I remember I tried to read I remember Colin tried to read Moby Dick me. And that's when I way over my head. And then I tried to read it's like the original version of phantomon christo i like that one too like like now my brain is like oh i can do this but like i couldn't understand like the french way of like this to me off and like all of that stuff is like i don't know don't get a brain into view of what's happening right now those were definitely like first books that my wee little brain like tried to do but i don't know what i mean i don't know what's happening

 

55:34

that's a good point like foreign novels that have been translated sometimes they just the old fort like you know like demoss and then that made me think of like jules verne like some of the stuff that he writes is like like it's not this exactly the same it's just like really dry and that 1800s type of way of writing

 

55:56

yeah

 

55:58

like it's good eventually but you're like blah come on get to the point the one that i the reason i brought this up was i am currently reading a book called

 

56:08

ai the supreme

 

56:11

and it is by hold on i had to pull this up because i don't have the book is at school i left it on my desk today on accident it's by agosto robustos apologies if i mispronounce your name sir

 

56:24

it is a book that is

 

56:27

it's a like a fictionalized account of the first dictator of paraguay jose guess by rodriguez difference here but he refers to himself only as elsa primo or i in the book

 

56:44

ah and the whole book is like

 

56:50

it it's like it is presented to you as a compilation of dictated

 

56:58

notes and things from elsa primo

 

57:04

right so it appears what's happened is the the only actual characters in the book are the dictator and his secretary and he's dictating all this stuff to him and so like there's conversations between them kind of a little bit but the secretary just writing everything down yeah and then the compiler this mysterious compiler

 

57:29

has

 

57:30

found all these papers and put them together

 

57:33

in a in a like to tell this story right yeah but then there's also

 

57:43

like the compiler and then there's the authors box those are not the same person right it's kind of presented to you in that way and it's really bizarre because it's kind of like a weird examination of like language and because like the dictator has risen to power through his manipulation of language and the power it holds over people but he's dictating everything to his secretary so his secretary is actually holding a lot of the power because he's writing this down and he's changing things and it's implied that a lot of the stuff that there's like these little compilers notes that are sprinkled throughout there and it's sort of implying that like what the elsa primo is saying in certain cases is not factual and it's wrong right it's his version of events and the compiler is being like actually this is what's happening in these little marginal note things they're on the site and some of them are like super long and it's like it's there's no chapters it just sort of goes and it it appears that it's a compilation from like several different documents sure yeah they're like placed in order and they're like chronologically they don't necessarily follow an order

 

59:02

they're like yeah

 

59:04

pages from like one journal are interspersed throughout the book and they're not like sequentially located together it is so hard to read wow it's crazy like you're trying to follow this like weird linear story that like jumps around and there's like four different stories happening about all these different times like one thing is about like the beginnings of paraguay and like when he came to power and when he like broke away from the junta and like did all this stuff and like there was another part of it like just a story about like him when he's younger and like there's that like stuff that supposedly going on like quote unquote now like you know he's dictating like current events to his secretary yeah that sounds like one of the i guess guides i know i'm just saying it's supposed to be like some kind of examination between like language and power and all this stuff and like allegedly i read the other day that it's also sort of a thinly veiled dig at one of the guy whoever was dictator of paraguay when this book was published in the 80s and the author is actually like he's actually like exiled from paraguay because

 

1:00:33

oh my gosh

 

1:00:34

so yeah apparently paraguay had dictators for like literally ever either that so it's just really

 

1:00:45

it's really confusing

 

1:00:47

and it's hard to follow

 

1:00:49

but it's like

 

1:00:50

also interesting and i'm sure i'm like missing tons of stuff too because it's like all this stuff about paraguay history which i know absolutely nothing should be real and so like

 

1:01:02

brandon's brand but read jogged my memory of another book that i had like a super hard time reading and i didn't quote unquote actually like read it read it into it like like after college but it was his master and margarita read the book i've heard that one as yeah master the margarita master and margarita okay margarita mr russia it's a country of origin is the soviet union and it was written during the period of like the stalinist era but it wasn't

 

1:01:42

fun

 

1:01:44

oh i bet there's no no no no yeah caught stalin yet find out like what what i'm doing is it's it's really weird there's like a cat that's in it but he's also like then like satan makes an appearance and like that's our other stuff and yours like that so it there's a lot of like i can't even i had to pull it up on wikipedia because i was like i remember this book what naca has two settings the first is not now during the 1930s where satan appears to a patriarchs pawns as professor either copied a company company this by the people the target is the literary elite and their trade unions whose headquarters this is crap social climbers they're bureaucrats on wall ma the second setting is in jerusalem with pilot trial austria jesus of nazareth is recognition of spiritual need for business his reluctance this book i'm thinking of because i had to read a lot of that kind of air of books in my industry for class and if this is the book i'm thinking of like kind of get blacked out during the whole time period the guy was like he was like arrested or something and his wife actually like hid the book so he found published publish like years later it's like he wouldn't even he like destroyed the copies that he had because my staff i get found as definitely not not good and so yeah he got rid of it and then like his wife published it like years later and so i have a copy of it i opened up the first chapter that i read for my class i'm like nope i'm just going to google this as i there's no way i could comprehend you know 600 some odd pages of this i guess not gonna happen

 

1:04:16

russian literature is kind of its own special category as like well especially russian literature that's distributed through simon's dot yeah good and it's like yeah it's yeah oh i'm not all obviously but like a lot of wrestling wait a minute this is not actually about what it says it's about right like it's like an exercise in like figuring out like oh they're actually talking about the end that's why they don't want you to see yeah

 

1:04:53

that's true of that but i remember that book is being like apocalyptically atrocious yeah But

 

1:05:00

others dad that is true. somebody thinks that they using these techniques and like just or like inventing their own techniques at some point, they're just like, really hard to follow. And if you're not like ready for it,

 

1:05:15

it's really difficult to access what they're trying to tell you. You know what I mean? Like, it can be a struggle. You know,

 

1:05:27

even even like, I'm just looking at my bookshelf here. And I'm just thinking, like, even the first time I encountered non sequential storytelling, when I read catch 22, right, that book is all out of whack. It jumps around all over the place. Yeah. And it goes, you had to remember all this stuff. And it's like, it's doing it on purpose, because it's a book about the insanity of the military. But like,

 

1:05:50

at first, you're like, What? Wait, wait, what?

 

1:05:53

I don't understand like what?

 

1:05:55

Yeah.

 

1:05:57

Yeah, the nonlinear storytelling is a is a is a feature of books that allows a really neat stories to be told. But when done poorly, it's just as bad as trying to watch a nonlinear movie, right? When you're like, Oh, yeah, right. Like it can be go bad really, really quickly that that's true. True. plastically was, honestly some of the first nonlinear stuff that I was ever exposed to. And I was raised up all the red wall books, because there's always right the tropen that is there's two stories happening simultaneously, always, yeah, maybe three. And it can alternate between chapters of like, what story you're going to go back to, yeah, but even even that, like the thing at the Abbey, and then like whoever's down on the adventure, right. But even even just having exposure to those simplistic nonlinear stories, and keeping things and keeping track of where people last were at, and what the significance of this move is. And some of that gets hard when you're reading pieces that were written, not just during a certain time, but also for a certain time. That's whenever a lot of the Yeah, patient gets really hard, like, like, like this, the book that you're talking about the era of the Master and Margarita, of where that was written to people who are currently going through those atrocities and was trying to send a message and communicate to them for very specific reason. And then to out of context, come back and try and read that story with all our with our modern eyes, and not having the background and the experiences that those readers would have been bringing to the table. It gets really, like you said, you feel like you're missing all of this context or missing all this stuff. Well, yeah. I don't know anything about Paraguay. Sorry.

 

1:08:00

Yeah,

 

1:08:01

yeah. So trying to approach these as like, Okay, what was the context? And again, going to whom is this being written? What would that person have known? And everyone saw they mentioned a name, like of somebody? And I'm like, I bet that person's important. I don't know who that is. But the way Yeah, it's just kind of thrown out there. Like I should know this person. So yeah, it turns out it's like some like super famous Peregrine, like military General, you're like,

 

1:08:27

Oh, God. Yeah.

 

1:08:33

But I think that level of,

 

1:08:35

I don't know. I think that that,

 

1:08:39

at that level of like, that is a pretty advanced level of reading, not just not super, man. It's because it's not just Do you understand this? But But do you understand that you were that you don't understand it? Right? Does that make sense? Like, like, yeah, yeah, there's, there's a deeper meaning other than the story, and it's, like, very obtuse, and sometimes it's like, hidden, you know, and you have to, like, uncover what's really happening, and it's not clear. And that you you always feel like you're missing out on something kinda cuz you're like, I don't, I don't understand what I'm, you know, and we, you know, when you try to read these things by yourself, it can be real, especially if you're reading a South American novel, it was published in the 80s. Not lots of online resources to help you like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's hard, but it's really like it's, it's also like, weirdly,

 

1:09:50

I find it intriguing and, like, fun to at the same time. You know, it's not like

 

1:09:56

overly frustrating for me. Sometimes. Sometimes. it is obviously cuz you read some stuff you're like what the heck was that

 

1:10:03

so

 

1:10:06

it is sort of an interesting kind of challenge like a mental gymnastics to try to make your own meaning out of what's happening plus try to figure out what the author's telling you like the message they're trying to send you and like you're still trying to apply things to others it's really just it's that high it's just like you said it's a really it's a much higher level of reading that is like it's really rewarding but also like really frustrating at the same time so like right yeah cuz yeah when you sit down you're like great i'm going to read this ostensibly fiction literature and it's going to require a lot of research or like i'm gonna do a lot of googling and note taking for this but it is it is really yeah because i don't understand what's happening but you're right like i feel like parsing through that and because you do get different levels of enjoyment out of it as you do that like doing a cursory read through and appreciating for it okay that was a good story and then go okay doing a deeper dive and going okay but like and then enjoying it for the meaning that it brings yeah right like you can you can always i think you can always read i'm not always i think there's a lot of instances where you can read many things at several different levels and oh yeah and the joy of that right the joy of that is into movies and tv to a lesser extent because i feel like that there is a lot of heavy handed interpretation and hand holding that they have to do for people to get a point across but like for literature yeah there's a lot of hand holding sometimes you guys you don't need to you know it's like like as you know bob this i feel insulted that you think i couldn't figure that out like come on now

 

1:12:02

right but but you don't

 

1:12:05

in a lot of instances as well like in books like you lack that so you have to bring that you have to bring it in and a good author knows that in a good author knows okay like this is going to spiral this way or like this could be taken a couple different ways and they can write to that which i think is always a joy because then you get to be you become part of the story at that point like you you literally become part of it because you're you are reading into like sometimes it can get dangerous when you read into things your background when you're not you know right

 

1:12:37

yeah

 

1:12:38

yes i yeah but pulling meaning out of the book and or pulling emphasis in and takeaways out of the book and applying them to your life that's a whole nother level where you're like

 

1:12:52

oh my gosh like okay yeah i totally totally see that and can see how i can relate to it

 

1:12:59

that's true that explanation brings me to quite possibly the most bizarre book i've ever read when you mentioned you become a part of the story okay right your interpretation becomes important have you ever heard of a book called s no it's written by a guy called doug dorst and co authored by a guy you might have heard of named jj abrams

 

1:13:39

so this book this book is wild all right

 

1:13:44

it's actually two things at once the book is packaged as a book called the ship of theseus by a fictional author vm straka

 

1:13:54

tank a when you open the book it is full of it is

 

1:14:02

the novel the ship of theseus by vm straka it's very crazy like surrealist novel right it's very strange from like the 13th or something in the margin of this book are scribbled little handwritten notes and it is a conversation between two individuals who are passing the book back and forth reading it and trying to understand the meaning they're trying to like find the identity of this fictional vm straka right there trying to figure out who it is this is in universe this is the only book he ever wrote he's just like really nish mysterious author no one knows about him and these two people are like trying to uncover who he is and in the margin is handwritten notes and there are different handwriting's so you can tell who's writing what and there have been written at different times because they're in different colors And it's a conversation between it's like an it's like analog text messages basically, between these two people, conversations between these two people.

 

1:15:11

that have been cool.

 

1:15:12

Oh my gosh, it's so crazy. And in the book in certain pages, it comes in like this big package thing. On certain pages, there's just like, stuff inserted in there like evidence, they found like a postcard and like, a coffee receipt that they wrote a bit longer note to each other on and like, wow, a picture with, you know, stuff on it and like, newspaper clippings and all It's nuts.

 

1:15:40

Nuts, right. Like,

 

1:15:43

there's like this fictional like, society that's like, involved and all this stuff. And like, everyone's smiling in the book, there's like, a third hand writing and you're like,

 

1:15:52

What? Is that? Who wrote that? Like, wait a minute, that's not what the heck's going on here?

 

1:16:01

Yeah, it's absolutely insane. It's, it's the wildest thing.

 

1:16:12

That's a really I've ever read, really cool take on what it means to be even not just a novel, but like, what it actually means to be a book, right? Like you because yeah, as you said, like, it's this mystery in a book thing like that you're actively involved in as well. So, huh?

 

1:16:31

Yeah. Like, yeah,

 

1:16:32

it's like, yeah, you're like, you have picked up this book that these people have been like checking out from the library and like passing back and forth. And they're like, I think it did there is on the outside cover a fake library code. So it's implied that it was stolen from a library. All right.

 

1:16:49

I love that.

 

1:16:51

It's so wild. Like they took it from a library. And there's like, it's just printed up like it would be an old library book in a university. Right, which I think is where these, both these people are like, we're English majors at a university. And that is backstory of like, what the guy got, like, kicked out, right, and he's like, continuing this quest to do so. And his younger girl is there. And

 

1:17:14

it was, like, so bizarre.

 

1:17:18

They're like, trying to figure out who this guy is, and about his life and pieced together all this weird stuff with like,

 

1:17:25

there's like,

 

1:17:26

crazy stuff about like communists, like revolutionaries, and like anarchists. And like, you

 

1:17:32

know, it's a bizarre, it's bizarre,

 

1:17:36

but it is so interesting. And it's, it is a hard one to read. Because you have to keep like 70 things straight, because not only you're reading their things, and they're like, you read the novel part. And then you're like, trying to figure out what the heck is talking about. And then you have all these notes in the margins about what these other two characters quote unquote, think it's going on? And like how they're using that novel to decode these things. You're like, what? Like, it's, it's wild.

 

1:18:09

It's like, it's super interesting.

 

1:18:11

But it that's another hard one to read. Because it there's a lot of keeping up of like, Whoa, well, even then of like, like, as you're reading it going, Okay, like, at least in my brain, I be going okay, well, like, What? How much of this is the story? How much am I actively trying to do? I believe everything that's written here, you know how much you

 

1:18:35

had. That's the other thing on top of this, like,

 

1:18:37

do I just take it? Because let's just be real knowing JJ Abrams.

 

1:18:41

Yeah. Yeah, there's

 

1:18:44

a couple times you're like, Wait, is that That can't be right. That Is that true? Yeah. You have to kind of decide how much of their information you're going to take at face value. Like, do you believe them? Are they trustworthy? characters? Like, what's going on? Like, I don't Yeah. She's, it's like, it's pretty nuts. It's been a while since I read that one, too. But it I it's man, it's

 

1:19:11

cool. I love that. Yeah, it's crazy. Oh,

 

1:19:18

yeah. Every time we turn the page, like, coast fall out with, like, some scribbled on it, you know, like, like, a phone over and like stuff like, Whoa, what is this? Like? It's like from a certain restaurant where they like when they like, do the thing like sure. In railguns mysteries like, well,

 

1:19:34

well, that I have to add that to my list of a long list. Okay. Cool, man. Well,

 

1:19:54

I have a lot of reading to do now. Thank you. Thank you, guys.

 

1:20:00

Welcome, okay,

 

1:20:01

and we need to come we need to we need to finalize OFF AIR we'll finalize a challenge for maybe not maybe not next week, but the week after that so we can could do it because I'm getting the itch. Okay, challenge.

 

1:20:14

All right. I like it.

 

1:20:16

So, okay, we'll get something. Listeners you have been teased and warned or that's true or both both. Sorry. You'll find out when they have that now they have both a sense of anticipation and foreboding. And what's happening. Excellent. Well, my job here is done. You guys, have a good rest of your night and

 

1:20:45

talk soon. All right.