shovel safety 101
Collin is checking out beaver dams. Brandon is digging holes. Aaron has an anniversary. Main topic? Did you know Germany has snakes? Plus other things we don’t expect to find in the wild.
Swipey no swiper
Bank erosion
Beavers
No dynamite please
Digging update
Lowes has no more shovels
Rock filled dirt
Gather the rocks!
Shovel safety 101!
Anniversary party activities
Deer hunting
Replay value
War Hammer Lore
Daisy the Beagle
Where are snakes???
Other things we get confused by….
Wild things and familiarity
Hedgehogs
Alligators
They’re all conifers
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oklahoma, deer, people, talking, animal, woods, elk, missouri, snakes, mountains, germany, warhammer, called, aaron, big, shovel, trees, friends, walking, nice
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Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast of three brothers trying to figure everything out with your hosts, Brandon, Collin. And Aaron. On this week's show, shovel safety 101 Hello.
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Hello.
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I don't know where that came from. I'm so sorry.
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Seinfeld. For me, I didn't it wasn't it was. Anyway,
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back
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to close, close everything else out real quick here and unmute him again the mute person,
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I have the little swipe the slide. This way if I swipe myself, it goes unmute, but if I'm sitting there talk Aaron and now I'm back here. Hello,
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Aaron. Swipe. Test. Aaron spiky no swipey Oh, dear. Oh, that's fine. No, no. Anyway, I don't know who might be no swipez Dora? Dora. Don de istyles 20. Where is this? Not quite. But anyway, that's fine. Everything's fine. Good. Yes. I am going on my first land owner visit in
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nine months.
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Tomorrow. So way Hey, getting out of the boys. You mean your living room? I gotta be good. Have a have to be at office at 5am. So I can then drive for three and a half hours to meet them at nine to then turn around and come back home. You know, that's not go wrong. Yeah. Well, that's what happens whenever you get the Ozark region. And you have to go down to like Douglas and right County. Really? Oh, yeah. Wow. And I don't live there. I live by Kansas City, you know? Yeah. On little yuck. zuri. Geography fun for our international Douglas County. Yeah, go this and then go into Pulaski. Because there's so the first guy and all hotspots, right? That's where all the cool ones. The first landowner has a 3500 feet of bank that doesn't really last a whole lot over the course of years. But going back to the late 80s, early 90s. There have been no trees on this bank. It's pretty, pretty stable. But he's a relatively new landowner. And he's been told no a couple times. So I get to play bad guy and say no, no, really? No, no, this is not a place for a project. This is not a place to invest. 30 you know, 30 tons of rock he needed or in $100,000 plants and trees. And yeah, some lovely native species. Right. Some nice. Yeah. Oak pecans, what have you. Yeah. So what makes it so difficult is that there is a power line come through that goes right over the bank. And on the opposite bank, there is an old county road. That is to county road, but it is not even gravel. It's literally like a grass road route field. It's pretty solid. That means we need a shorter tree. So if that can only mean two options. So that means dogwood or sassafrass. Oh, yep. I was hoping to make a nice path of February. Well, I mean, you could make a path of dogwood that'd be lovely. Dog right.
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Careful what
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And the second landowner is complaining because get this. She lives on a creek named Beaver Creek. Guess what her problem would be?
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Um, are there beavers in her Creek?
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You know, there are a couple beavers.
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Oh, shocking. But of us have imagined that there would be beavers, beaver and Beaver Creek. So is they're not happy that there is loving on their Hayfield, because they be versus the only animal that's like flowing water. Let's stop it. Yeah. ecosystem engineers over there doing all of their engineering of ecosystems. So we get to go out and one of the one of the emails that I got from an individual was like, Oh, yeah, I was down there. And I saw it. I think, I think a stick of dynamite and a backhoe would take care of it. And then African. Hold on. Wait a minute.
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Earth kind of program is Tom working? Yeah.
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Talk about channel damage. Well, you know, let's talk about that when we get down there in the zone. I mean, the owner has every right to trap the Beaver. If they don't want the beaver as a way to remove it, right, they can get a trapping license or they can have you can actually pay for a trapper to come and remove beavers if they're being a nuisance to you. Yeah. But no dynamite please. Blowing up a stream like this. It always amazes me. Like, you know, I guess I'm just very ignorant in these manners. But like, the way that that gets bandied round and the number of people that actually have legitimate access to dynamite is like, distressing. Right? Like, like, yeah, just get some my my cousin's got some mindshare. Like, what? Why?
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They're like, Where did he get that? How old is that? If you sneeze in the shed, will it just detonate like,
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yeah, it doesn't make any sense. And it's all very confusing and very concerning. So
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we'll see. You know, if, Oh, boy. We'll see what happens. And then get the drive. Three and a half hours back.
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But it's fun.
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If only you had some podcasts. Listen to it. Oh, man. That'd be Andy wouldn't be
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a second. Oh, man. Wait
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out bed.
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So yeah, it'll be good. At least it's a nice day. You know, it's gonna be nice and sunny, like 67 though. Sure. Nice day to be. Sorry, doing our digging project tomorrow.
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Oh, haha. digging up day. Where did you find your locale? Yeah, I went out to an after school wunderground. And I talked to one of the custodian, guys, and he was like, I was like, yeah, I'm just trying to figure out how far
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west I could go. And he's like, well, heck, you can go all the way to that road down there. We own all that property. I ride. fan out kids. Yeah, we got to go. like, Alright, there we go. He's like, just probably don't dig up like in the middle of the softball field. It's like, yeah, I kind of figured that would probably be a bad like way from the manicured lawns. Okay, cool. Yeah. All right, guys. Let's see what's under homeplate Here we go. Now. These were Jimmy Hoffa. Yes, no. So yeah, it's a mystery about exactly how far I'm going but we're gonna go some new ground because the place one of the things I dug last time on the south part is the place where they do they the ag kids and some and like the farmer those binus they do planting there. So they plant stuff, agriculturally. Right and so a lot of it has been heavily plowed certain points. So in order to get to any useful strata, you have to go like very deep. Really, and nobody got time to be digging. like actual giant holes, right? We're not saying the buff here. We're not going Hey, Aaron would want that to be Are you hearing? Yes, that's true. Yeah, I'm gonna go see how far are we can make it out there. But there's a couple is a giant field over there on the other side of the like the ag barn. There's like a show barn out there where they keep some of the bigger livestock the ag kids have. And there's like a huge field over there. That's just empty. Oh, so yeah. It's right. Like, so. It's all good. So yeah, forgot tomorrow just because it'll be nice. Yeah. Finally found all the shovels and bought Lowe's out of shovels. They have no more to find some. They're all gone. Yeah, you know, we're not stocking the ones I wanted. With the cheap ones. If you would like to buy a $35 shovel, you can go they still have that one. Cuz? No. The heck me doing if you're not equipping your students with professional tools here. It sounds like they're fine. They'll be okay. Nobody needs that. What in the world? Are you doing? Why? Like the most utilitarian thing ever? Oh, yes. $45 of like, carbon fiber. Fiberglass. First of all, no, nobody was nobody needs that in the shovel. Do you want to dig in Missouri with fiberglass head? No, no, thank you. out? not helpful, like, give you a visual description of chattering and 123? Yeah. So it's very, what I'm trying to say, international friends, is it the dirt here, the soil here in this part of the state is extraordinarily rock filled. Which is why we're digging for rocks for my project. So we will not take long, many, many samples. But the underlying geology is very rocky. It's on a plateau. So rocks everywhere. So try to dig him out with a handle that's like even his reinforced fiberglass. It's just
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not out.
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Thank you. So yeah, do that tomorrow. We'll see how it goes. Figured is better to we're not quite ready to be like studying the samples just yet. But the weather this week is like Yep, it's time to gather them. Like next week is not going to be great. Next week's not gonna be fantastic. And then It's break time. So that means I would have to trust in like the first week of January whether to be nice. And I do not have no not trustworthy at all. Yeah, like, now that I've done it the first week of January will be fine. But like I just know that if I waited the first week of January be like 30 degrees like it totally was. Yeah. Oh, stink. So yeah, that's the plan for tomorrow. Cool. Gonna be good. Get outside. Go do some stuff. We had safety talks today about like, how shoveling works. How to not smack people in the head with shovels. Please don't do that. With no high sticking? Yes. shovel safety one on one we had today. So it was good. What nice. Do you do? Have them like wash the rocks?
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How are they? Yeah, we
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will do that you get back into the Yeah, we'll probably do some of that Friday. Tomorrow, we probably won't have time. So and then Thursday, we have something else to do. So we can put a table it but we'll probably just make sure we wipe a lot of the dirt off on the you know, on the grass outside, kind of knock it off. And then Friday, we'll probably do some washing. But we'll actually just get a bucket in Boston and do some prepping. Last year we had to watch a second time just because they didn't get it all off. And then when we do the actual like studying because some of them we can break open. So we can try to look for the features, what's going on in there. And that kind of stuff. It's kind of Yeah, we do. We definitely do clean them up so we can kind of see what's going on with the stuff. So that will be probably Friday. Or maybe Next week since it's the last week for break, that'd be a good thing to do next week, just kind of hang out. clean up our samples. Yeah. See how it goes though? Huh? No, she's welcome class today. Yeah. You're all excited about break coming up tomorrow. First. Yeah. They're like, ah, do we like scrub them? I was like, I don't have any brushes. They're like, what about a toothbrush? I was like, No, I need that for my teeth. Like no. So they did. They didn't like my joke very much, but it'd be fine. So yeah, I don't know that that either Friday or next week. We'll do that. Because Friday, we might do something else. Let's see where we are our
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course of action, but bear I
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got everything ready to go for tomorrow, which is coming. Go outside. No. waiting around.
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Well, again, it's
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gonna be really nice day outside
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tomorrow to be Oh,
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is it gonna be really nice eight o'clock in the morning. It will be a very nice morning at eight, so they're gonna get a little brisk wake up, but it'll be just fine. You know? Good. That's the other reason I can't wait for January is because my costs are in the morning. Yeah, so like, I don't know, just the morning temperature. Yeah, in the morning, like 25 degrees. Even if in the afternoon. It'll be warm enough that morning. It'll be morning most surely. I'll get shouted out big time if I do that. So he didn't remember yelling or screaming at his true. So, yeah. provide you an you have to? Um,
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let's see here. Uh, what is today? The eight so celebrated. One year anniversary with Shelby
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Walker. Hey, Bri.
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It was mostly just us running around from work, but we're doing some party activities.
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this coming weekend.
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And so, go out and do some stuff that I'm on call for the whole county. Yay. starting Friday, so it just adds as more fun. Um, we I went deer hunting this weekend. Yes. I got myself some point. Buck. Those clean it and all that stuff. I did not do the skinning my friend Michael of whom I've been hunting with the past 10 years. We always go down and to his his folks property and we just kind of you know, do some hunting on their their land down there and then to get a nice little book this weekend.
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And then
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what else into really about it? Not a whole lot of like, I mean, work is just absolutely crazy right now. You know, everyone came back from Thanksgiving break in. So we were we're now seeing a lot of the stuff from that. So break has been or work especially this week, last week was not too terrible. But this week has been really crazy. And so just trying to facilitate just having to go out and do investigations and just running around. I had to yesterday talk like 12 different people with three different families and so it just it's a lot of craziness on that side. But I mean, I think other than that pain works we're getting getting some festivity plans for Christmas and after Christmas. We're gonna have some of Shelley's friends come up and we're going to spend New Years doing some new year's eve things. Um, and then the new DLC for Warhammer total war came out on the third. I haven't. I haven't been playing that as much because work has been absolutely insane. I spent all of Saturday after I got home from hunting, just typing in cases and so I played it very little. But yeah, so the new DLC the The twisted isn't Twilight DLC came out.
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There we go.
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This podcast is not sponsored, but it was better than on my end.
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Excellent. You said a word at UC t TDO. DLC. D is the downloadable content.
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Okay with the free n FLC. A free free content
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FL D posted it in the twilights. Yes. So, some of these like these those giant games like that what they do to keep them relevant is you you have the base game, and then they add it's like an expansion, right? Yeah, they're like, oh, here's more game for you. Or like, sometimes it depends on the game. But there's like, if you pay like five more dollars or 10 more dollars, or if they're really big, like a lot more dollars, like, here's a more game to throw at you. So it keeps it like, relevant. So
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they so with this one, Warhammer two, they came out with the base game, almost a year, I think over a year ago, two years ago, maybe Yeah. And then over time, like every few months, they've just released updates. And then they release new factions and new races and new lords and new units and new, all this kind of stuff. But they they just kind of sporadically come out. And then next year, I think they're coming out with Warhammer three, and they'll do just do the same thing. And so I was waiting on on this one, they tease that you know the way for like two or three months, and they tee something out. And then they come out with a release trailer of what it is. And then there's hold executive, you know, the content creators on YouTube freak out and they do videos over and then like a week or two later than the the content will be released. And I got this off of steam for like, eight bucks. Yeah, though. Yeah, so not too terrible. I have a lot of money on this game.
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But it's, it's worth it. It's worth it. Well, I mean, it's if you're gonna play like one game. Like, it's fine. Yeah, yeah. It's it makes sense to like, just keep buying new stuff. If you're a person that plays like, just tons of different ones. DLC is kind of just like, whatever. Like, I don't care. I'm already playing the next game. And I want to go back to the one that I bet so but if you're still playing it, like three months later, yeah, like, here's the more game like, okay, sweet.
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This game for sure has a lot of replay value. And I think that's kind of a really big, big thing for me, is just instead of having to like, Oh, I gotta, you know, play this game and then wait a few months, I could literally pick up this game at any time and then just kind of continue it from there. So yeah, I I do love this game in that aspect. And, you know, there's always something new to try or something new to play in this game. And to me it just it just always been fun in that regard. Yeah, I've
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just been I was excited because I've been like you like long time really, really confusing, dense lore.
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And that's the other thing. There's a lot to this. A lot
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is like the biggest understatement ever. We talk about the Warhammer storyline. Oh my god what I have so there's it's the most confusing thing I've ever seen.
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There, there's no, there's no way to like, I mean, people have YouTube channels. And they've had them for like 10 years. And they're still coming out with content talking about like, it's just that in depth. Because they're like, Oh, yeah, someone released this then our talking about it because it Yeah, there's just so much people have to have to do with it. And yeah, there's been there you get into the hole. Oh, there's two kinds of Warhammer. You have Warhammer Fantasy. And then Warhammer was a I was even gonna bring that up because
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that's confusing. Wow.
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I like
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even more. Yeah, but
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yeah, it's I started playing plus i love the Warhammer the Total War series. Am I was crazy game. Who's in the magic in the vampires. And no, there's giant lizards? Yes. Why need vampires. And the vampires with vampire pirates. Yesterday's pirates.
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Yeah.
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So the Tuesday Hickman Yes.
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So for me, there's a lot to it. Yeah.
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Well, it's crazy. The first you first mentioned that back in our good news episode, way back in May. So it's cool that you're still getting so many legs. Come on later.
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They'll always be there's enough content to release free years though. At least hopefully but yeah, they'll never run out they have they have copious amounts of of all the things
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but but yeah, that's that's what's doing down here in Oklahoma
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rubra
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might have some some deer meat ready for the holidays? Everybody. Yeah, on that. No,
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Aaron sent me the picture. Do they have to go ahead? Oh, yeah, go ahead. Oh, no, you start First time I have a second picture just I was gonna ask if the Chronic Wasting Disease was a problem in Oklahoma they had to worry about
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Yes. So that still is a thing. Um but so if there's there's a lot of visible signs, because I remember we actually talking about this and I had to look it up. Because I had never seen one. So what it's called called is hold on here. Hold on. Hold on, are you What day is it? But it was Saturday?
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You know,
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it is Saturday.
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Today, dude.
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I guess so.
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Yeah. See WD Chronic Wasting Disease I just said yeah, I know but there is it isn't always fatal contagious neurological disease affecting deer species including reindeer elk in mooses it causes a characteristic spongy degeneration of the brains of infected animals resulting and misery Asians unknown, abnormal behaviors, loss of bodily functions and death. here in Oklahoma, I still believe that if you come across one, you have to burn it. You have to burn at like you shoot it and then you burn the carcass. right then and there. To make sure you Yeah, it's a whole big, big thing if you get it if you kill one and get it processed. I think you have to
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test it right?
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Yeah. Um, for my dear friends getting processed is so expensive. I was like, Nah, my clearly does have it,
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though.
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It's mine didn't have this big degeneration because like they like you can visibly see like, like loose skin. And the fear of like humans is just gone. Like it just wanders around. And kind of all this stuff. And so there's this there's, you know, an actual look at it. That does. And so, thankfully, mine didn't mine wasn't good. 100 120 pounds of just no, deer.
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There wasn't any alpaca Anything else?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, we got to get it cleaned. My friend is has it with him. He's he's gonna process it. process it. He's gonna ground down the beef, not beef. What is it called? into your meat?
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He's gonna turn it into account. Yeah, magic alchemy. It was not 100% fear gonna get some deer steaks from it. And maybe a little bit of jerky. And
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yeah, and then I got the I requested since Actually, this is actually my first book. I did request that the antlers be topped off and to which is going to mountain little cat stick in my office somewhere. So
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hang your hat on. Literally.
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Yes. Well, cuz like he this little guy came in and he didn't like, look that big. I was like, Dad, I'm gonna kill him. And then like everyone like it was him and I was like, I've like dose They started to like, walk away. And I was like, Oh, well whoops I am I, but it was a clean, no suffering, just
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by a, one of my friends used that his dad had one hanging on the wall, right? Because that's what apparently people do. And so he's too. Yeah, his mom had like some dolls or stuffed animals like in the guest bedroom. And so we used to take the hats off and like, put it on the the algo would take a bit notice that side had like little bonnets on his own time, so it's quite fun. I did a deer check station in college, back when you had to bring your deer to a spot. And it was kind of voluntary, some of them not. But you just have to show them your your your tag and make sure you're registered and everything and part of that they were collecting data aging, right. So we were doing deer aging. And I forget where this check station was. I was data recorder because I was not about to be around all the blood guts of a deer. But I was writing down the age of the spirit I looked over if this check patients dog was at a meet with our processors. It was a beagle named Daisy. And under Yeah, I look over and the hunter gets the deer and he lets his tailgate all while the deer was resting on the tailgate. So it falls down onto the concrete bashing its head into the concrete chipping off a piece of its skull and brain goes scattered across the sidewalk. Daisy wrap and starts eating the brain. Yeah, I had to go sit down in the car for a little bit. Good. Oh, Tara Hall. And that is exactly why I remember that dog's name is Daisy. And that was well over 15 years ago. No, don't say that out loud. That's that's hurtful. Yeah. Oh, boy.
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It was it was easy now because all I had to do was just literally get online. And then I had to put my name in it my license number which was already pulled up. And then what time I shot what county I shot in. And then was it antlered or antler? lis then time and then then that's it. Like it was registered. And it's just really expensive now to have a process. Like get me process No,
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not now. always has been.
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So we're like yeah, we'll just we'll just take it down and just do it ourselves. Sounds like okay, so I don't have to mess with having to drop it off somewhere and like Oh, hey, we got your dear and Okay, it will take me about three hours to get there. So but we are now trying to facilitate an elk hunt. Which Yes, there's elk here in Oklahoma. Really? Yes there is. If you go to the city arboles if you go to the kind of southwestern region ish maybe Yeah. Or if you go kind of on the map hold on now. Go down now. Oh, yeah. If you kind of go towards like more South ish. You get to the Oklahoma mountains and
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there's actually help us
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there are there are Oklahoma mountain. Oh, it large hills. And so in Oklahoma they do. They do draws where you can like it works to something to the effect of a lottery kind of Yeah, but you It's weird like you You put your register number in like you pay like $5 and you can then get drawn or you can like get like eight of your friends and do it all that way. And so like you go on like a team hunt basically. And so we're gonna try to get get something that you know get that going because I've always wanted to go camping and my friends have also want to go elk hunting. The problem is we would have to go bow hunting, we would use crossbows because hiking in you know Mountains. They're like, yeah, we don't want to carry a gun. Oh, come
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on, just get tough.
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Yeah, you know,
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crossbows aren't exactly the ones I've seen, like the hunting ones. They're not exactly like light things, right. It's not like
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the imagination, but, but there they are lighter than a traditional bow. And, you know, you don't have to be lugging around. You know, some big honkin rifle just
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fine. Just you have to do some cardio. Before you go.
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Yeah, well, so we just we've been working out like every morning and every evening, but it's like sales like,
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see, there you go. Let's get one of those, uh, those Color Guard rifle things, you know, like from marching band and run around with that. Yeah, it'd be your training. No cops will be called on you don't work? No, never. Yeah, make sure you just tape it up, like a bright color. So that everyone could see. It's fake. Right. So that way you'll be prepared. Have your training regimen. And you can like spin. because that'd be fun. Right? You do a double or quad? Yeah, the the words I don't remember for marching band. Yes.
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Yeah, that's that's kind of the goals. Either that or we're gonna go hog hunting on the property. There's a lot hogs up there. And I know shocker in Oklahoma. But
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as Collins old friend, the hog Yes. biessing. Go back to the earliest episodes of Oh, brother and check out all of our discussions around hogs hog hunting and hog regulations, both in Missouri and the surrounding states. Oh, yes, we want retread that here but their gold mine. Let me say something that. You'll also notice if you did listen to those episodes, Collin is not currently still not in the woods, tracking them. So that plan is, uh, you know, functioning greatly, apparently,
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lately.
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I know. I don't. I mean, I'm still we're all still big like, I guess like, as At first, I mean, that let's direct this came down and they were like, everyone will, everyone will. And then I think they found maybe they accidentally got a bunch of people to volunteer that really like it. And they're just like, Okay, let's do it. thing is that the people who are volunteering are like, they love it, and go back to their other jobs. That's fine for you. Does that mean they'll just stay out there right now? Just keep hiding away? Yeah. You just get those like, a couple dozen people that are super into it, just get on a rotation and like boom, done. Got it? No, and I think the department has shifted, it has I know this, where they have, what they've done is they've looked around the department and taken hourly positions away from other places, and dedicated those positions to full time. People. Ah, okay, that makes sense to be trappers and whatever, etc. Yeah. Probably to the people that were just voluntary non stop, like, Okay, how about we just give you this job? I'm gonna go cuz clearly here. You ready to go? Yeah, it'd be fine. It is that time of the year though, where we start trying to strategic eyes about what we are or are not going to try and be involved in to limit our exposure to the really, really bad jobs. So I probably try something with like the winter call of CWT beer, all sorts of stuff, which Oh, right is not fun is with it. That's better than hog trapping. It is better than wrapping one. So this this, I think this segues nicely into the question that was brought to my mind when Aaron sent that Twitter link earlier. Okay. Right. So Aaron shared a link on Twitter about Elon Musk's new factory he's trying to build in Berlin, like outside Berlin, Germany. Okay. Um, yeah, so, uh, this crazy weird, super villain, slash genius guy is building a Tesla factory in Germany, but the German government has stopped him German listeners, you please message in and tell me how wrong I am about any of this. But we also need your input. So, here's my question. My German government kind of stepped in and said, No, you can't do that right now because of the snakes species that lives in this forest. Yeah. And my brain immediately went, hmm. Right? Because, like, it makes sense that that would be happening. But my brain does not associate snakes with Germany.
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Right. So like, when I think of snakes, I think of the United States,
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South America,
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Africa, particularly South Africa, and Australia. And that's kind of it, right? I mean, I know, like, Southeast Asia, also, but like those, that's the snake. Right here, the word snake. Those are the places that come to my mind immediately. And I would, you know, it makes sense that there would be stakes other places, right? I'm not saying it's impossible, but my brain does not register that that happened. So I was like, weird. So first of all, I want to know what snake species are in Germany. This is very interesting to me now. And, and are there any other do you guys have? Like anything like that? Is there like this trigger, where you're like, Oh, well, it only lives there. And I can't imagine it living anywhere else. Another good example would be when Aaron said the words, Oklahoma and elk in the same sentence, I would watch. Knowing full well, I am fully aware that the elk, the historic range of the elk was extending into Oklahoma. Yeah, I bet the fact that they're still there makes me go, Wait, wait, wait. So there's like, a things linked strongly with certain areas, especially animal species, right? Because when I think of certain areas, I think about certain animals, but like, there's also the opposite of that, which is the blind spot where like, I don't that is there, but I wouldn't associate that with that. So you guys have anything similar to that you have any similar thoughts? Because that was, my first one was like, snakes in Germany? What guide most? Well, yeah, no, that's a really good question. Because it gets at where, I don't know if it's just like, Where are not necessarily byesies. But like, just what I think just the bulk of information because all the places that you rattled off for where snakes are located, or where like, all of the snake specials that you'll find anywhere produced at any store, we probably can blame David Attenborough and partly his fault, but nobody is talking about the whatever, like three or six snake species, whatever. I don't know, like, how many in Germany, obviously, not a lot. Otherwise, they'd be talking about a lot more. Yeah, right. I imagine the ones in Germany aren't called like, Death Adder, right? That's probably Oh, well,
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I was gonna say, I just pulled up the list and it talks about the first line of this of this arctos articles literally says, Europe is generally not the dream destination for snake enthusiasts and herpetologist and then it goes on to list some adders. There's a common adder. And then there's an ass Viper. And then there is a, your cinese Viper, or, or cinese Viper, but
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none of them are labeled Death Adder, right? Yeah, yeah. But see again, I wouldn't even been like Oh, man, uh, you know, Vipers in Germany, right? I wouldn't think you know, I get my biases to be like, oh, they're like black snakes. Or like, you know what I mean? Like, oh, yeah, something like that. But no, there's like a Yeah, here's I found a similar list. This one's probably
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because this one lists like this mate can be found in southeastern France, central Italy, West Balkans, aka former Yugoslavia, Northern Greece, Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, Romania, Hungary, and Germany. meadows, grassy fields, farm lands or rocky hillsides, Mike. Oh, wow. That's a huge rain first name. That's not know what I anticipated.
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any of that bang.
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Yeah, so I think it's interesting because like it just have these certain associations that you make, about like this animal lives in this area. And that's clearly it can Whereas, like, when I think Germany I think things like, deer, boar, that kind of stuff. I don't really think about like
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snakes.
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But it makes sense in a forced ecosystem, which southern Germany has been, you know, they would be alright, but I don't know maybe I think Germany is colder than it is right. But then snakes live in the cold too, because they have snakes in like, Maine. So, you know, that
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was like it was like that one time I was doing it call it research that they were doing the sample stuff in the river is like in Dallas. And Collin is like, Oh yeah, they found they found gators in this river, like, like, just right over there. And I was like, they were standing in this river and they found gators in Dallas. Like what? Like that? That was one of the things that for sure. I was like, I've never thought of that or thought that would be a thing.
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But yeah,
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I guess it is. Thank you Colin for terrifying me.
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Hold the same anyway. I mean, yeah, I was thinking along those same lines of, of, of alligators. I mean, like, for me, I was actually, I mean, I had two examples queued up in my brain of like, alligators in Oklahoma. Like it's still it still feels weird to me that there are instances of that. That's true. Yeah. Not like it again ditional alligator territory, right. Louisiana. Right, but I know. Yeah, there are scipy Mississippi. So like it I think it's just because when I think of Oklahoma, I think of Oklahoma and not necessarily like wetlands and in bottom hardwoods Yeah, but yeah, the South the South East kind of is that but that's not the when you think of Oklahoma like your mind I mean the fact that they drill your state's on it everyone's hands when the wind blows slowly across the plains. Right your plane. Like planes. Yeah, planes, right. So when they're like alligators, like Wait, what that does, like and then a lot of like the southwestern part. The part that I'm familiar with in the southwestern part of Oklahoma is like deserty
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right, like it's just like, Dune hills forever. And like very dry arid, rolling hills. Like so.
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Yeah, I forget that there's but actually like stuff like
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eastern Oklahoma and it's like all like forest and there's like a huge like lumber industry down there.
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Yeah, Arkansas border there. It's really like the Boston mountains in Arkansas kinda.
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Yeah.
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And like we went down there for vacation like, like a month or two ago. You know, driving by all these you know, timber trucks. I was like, I beg your pardon and Oklahoma grana I mostly see, you know, again, Osage County, which we asked if you leave outside of the pub, literally in the in the playing is very right. is very is a temporary? Yes. And so like, you know, he just I'm used to seeing that constantly. And you know, especially if you go like towards Stillwater there's nothing out there. Um, but yeah, like if you get if you're heading towards Texas, he had kind of more arid s. And then you pass through the pretty sure they call the Arbuckle Mountains. I could be wrong. But yeah, there's just like, other things. That's like, in a really in Oklahoma. Be sure whether it's here is this. This is not seem at all what I would imagine. Yeah, the state I've called home for numbers of years. Like, oh, yeah, I do still live here. And there's always places to, you know, travel to or explore and that you never be like, oh, does exist here. Wow.
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Yeah, sounds interesting question. Because there's, there's like, those Hallmark angles that you think of right, like, you know, the Missouri I would say was probably like the whitetail deer. Right. Or something like that. Because that's, like now ubiquitous, everywhere. Yeah. Now it is. But yeah, well, yeah. I mean, like, currently, I'm talking about currently not like in the 50s when there was zero deer anywhere because or that time in Missouri where there was like, no turkeys ever again. Like when they're like everywhere. Like that's kind of the animal I think of and again, that's very biased to the fact that I live in the southern part of Missouri, where those things just like And actually everywhere, literally, like when you think about like Colorado I think of like, elk pinboard. Bear, right. That kind of thing. Yeah. But you know, I don't think about elk in I even forget there's elk in Missouri sometimes. Because they tried to reintroduce in their here as well. And people were like, Oh, yeah, they'll come during and like The what? The Oh, yeah. 103 of them. There's a lot in Peck Ranch. Right. Yeah. There's, there's not a lot but there are there. Yeah. about, you know, similarly to apparently, apparently the Oklahoma elk that are mysterious. So like, I think it's interesting how there is that like, touchstone sort of species marker that you think about, you know, like, oh, if Australia, you just think about like kangaroos, and koala bears. And that's really it. Unless you know more about it, right? Those are like the ones that come to mind immediately. Yeah, right. And then, like, you know, other places have different ones and like, or maybe you like, there's some that haven't made an impression on me. Like, what is it called? Hold on, I have to look it up. There's a spider in India. That's like the blue Sapphire thing or like the gudi spider or whatever. It's like this giant blue tarantula. Oh, I think about that. Yeah. Because it's awesome looking. You know? Well, like so when I guess because I watched The Jungle Book. But like, I when I think of me when I think of India, I think of the the street monkeys that steal things from people as they grow. When I think of South America, I just think of I think of birds. Because that's where all of like, the specials or birds are right. Go to the rain. Yes. Or like the New World monkeys like the small monkeys with the big long tails. That stuff, right? That's why that's why South America like a spider monkey. And that kind of stuff. Yep. That's a South American thing. Oh, one thing. Oh, here's an amazing one. One that I always forget is that Europe has roaming hedgehogs. Exactly right? hedgehogs in Europe that people find in their garden, like, I just, it's very English, right? I hear about them in England a lot. Right? Like, oh, there it is just around. I don't I don't that that hurts my brain so much. To think that they just have them roaming around, like, in my brain. It's like, yeah, like, I know, it's an animal, but like, where would you find that? Like, I think that they're not there, but they are like weasels, like I did, because we have here like, that's a thing. Exact tree Martens, like that's a thing, more of a thing there than it is here. And I always forget, like, the kids have this book where it's like, you travel around the world. And you see animals right there. And some of them are pretty stereotypical, but like, England, Europe has spawns and hedgehogs and I'm like, Huh, that's right. That's right. Look at those things do actually have a look at them so much out of context, right? You only see them in like a zoo. Or like a, like a swan. And they're like, I was all there's one at a park. Right? But it's because it like lives there and its wings are broken. They just re re homed it in a park somewhere, you know, I mean, it's the you see them only out of context and you sort of lose the fact that they're actually live in an area like another example that when you said hedgehog, you maybe think of guinea pigs. Yeah, right. guinea pigs live in Peru, in the mountains, hanging out doing stuff. Doing if I'm being perfect whatever guinea pigs do, which in Peru apparently is getting eaten by Peruvians, but they still have to, like, get them. They're still like a wild animal in Peru, just running around doing stuff. But that was something that my, like ninth grade science teacher had on the other table over there, right, like, yeah, it's a weird. Yeah, to think that that's an animal that just roams around in Peru, just due to due to like, What? What is a weird to think about? Because that I never I even on television. I haven't really seen that context, right? You don't see that part? Because you know, guinea pigs, not glamorous, you know, but it's one of those things that you just like, Oh, yeah, it's a it's an animal. It has a wild home somewhere. It's a native result. Yeah, it has a native range and a habitat and it fits in an ecosystem somehow, and it's not, but my brain does not register it. Because it's so I guess alien would be the word right just so outside of what I'm used to thinking about because again, my ecosystem knowledge is very specific to the one in which I inhabit. You know.
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That was for sure the the main ideas I had especially when Collin would have like the hamsters or the chinchillas. I remember like walking in I was like, Where did this come from? First of all, those
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are dribbles. Dribble, although here,
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you have like a chinchilla.
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I had two children. hamsters, hamsters. Yeah. But so yeah, you have to think about where does a hamster come from? Like for real? Like that's creature
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and what is this in the wild? Sounds like I'm like, I've never seen any documentary with like this thing. Just like chillin. I've never seen any like one of those like little Zoo book that says, oh, in the natural habitat of the Gerbil. Like, you
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know, first of all shout out to Zoo books. Holy cow. I thought about that a long time. Wow. Yeah.
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Bring it back to old school. Wow. Okay. Just office we'd go to and yeah, like, I mean, I just remember seeing things like that. It's like, Oh, where did this come from?
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and Duke is a subsection of zupa. Pretty cool. You can really, yeah, it won't be fixed. Yeah. So this tells me that dribbles can inhabit Africa, India and other parts of Asia. Yeah, Mongolia. What? I see, let's say Yeah, well, who do right like I know, I think at some point, this was originally native to Turkmenistan. Boom. There we go. Who knew once a Mongolian species know if which? Yeah, so Central Asia, home of a lot of drama. And it makes sense, right? They have sort of qualities of like, arid desert tea animal, right. Like, yeah, it's such a animal that you only have seen in like, kindergarten classrooms or Colin's room when he was younger. Yeah. Giving him toilet paper rolls, right. Yeah. Like, hey, you view them as being wild at that point. Yeah. But there are, right. It's just a, it's a thing that you like, wow. Yeah, somebody showed me a documentary about Turkmenistan. They're like, and then here is the Drupal colony. I'd
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be like, what?
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Hold on. That is, wait a minute. You're just gonna be past that, please. Much like, back that up. Looks like the annoying segment in Planet Earth where they're talking about Lake Baikal, and they say Home freshwater seal cutscene and move on. And I'm sitting there going, Yeah. This is important. Why are you? Why are you not talking about that? First time I've ever heard about this. You must go back and tell me more. Yeah, first of all that one clip you showed me? That thing is adorable. Okay, so get up. Tell me more about the freshwater seal. I must know that thing. You know? Yeah. That's crazy. That is crazy. Or again, like a that makes you think to have a peacock. Right? peacock is a wild bird. Yeah. From India. Right. I only ever see him at the zoo when they're being like really loud and shouty. Right. Yeah, that's terrible big noise. But like, you know, you don't think about it as just like, it lives in the woods. In India.
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Well,
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that's crazy, right? Like, I don't know, maybe it's just because that's not like any, it's so it's so different from any bird around here, even like a large bird like a turkey, which it sort of resembles. It's like a turkeys really, really flamboyant cousin. It's like, and I'm sure somebody that lives in India see a turkey be like, Whoa, that's crazy. Was it? You know what I mean? It's just the context that you Yeah, Indian listeners, let me know how you thoughts on turkeys. I am looking forward to our five German listeners writing in about snakes. So that'll be very exciting. Yes, please. Don't let us down. Yeah. Any anybody that would like to write in about their native flora and fauna, please. We're interested to know, what are those things in your community that you're like, Oh, yeah, this is like the thing that I probably never heard of, right. We had this have that context that much like you probably skipped those segments. We talked about hogs and deer because you were like, I don't even know what that is. Why are they so fixated on this right now. And this Really, really boring? It's Yeah, it's like, I don't know, I guess what I'm thinking of is like if I were walking through the woods and I turned to my left and I saw a blank, what how freaked out would I be? I mean, if I were walking along a path, I looked around I saw a hedgehog. I would be like, so excited. I would know what to do with myself. Yeah, it would be very, like very jarring. Very jarring. Are you doing anything with peacocks? Like if you were just hiking through the woods and looked over and there was a gaggle and peacock don't what they're called? Yeah. Right. I would just I would, I would. Yeah, just be beside myself. But like the point like that is, uh, I wouldn't tell you like, I had a similar experience when I was walking through it. Because when, when I went to Australia, one of the things that we did is we went to the Blue Mountains, and we went, like walking on this like wooded trail thing. And that it was like wintertime in Australia. So like, not lots of stuff out. It was a lot of people there. So there wasn't like lots of animals out there. But like, you're just sort of walking through the woods, and there's like, birds around and stuff, right. So there's like this weird element of familiarity, because you're like, Oh, I'm walking through the woods on a trail. It's like the Nature Center in Springfield, right? Or, you know, I'm walking through the Ozark Mountains, whatever. But then you'd like sort of look at the trees. Oh, and they're just all different. Sure, all of them. And you like look at the bird. And it's like a weird color bird. You're like, what? Like, is this? Really, it's a really odd experience, because it's like, this is really familiar. And yet, so not at the same time. So, like, there's this really weird element of strangeness. Right? Oh, it's, it's familiar. I am in the situation. I've been in like, literally 1000s of times in my life. I'm walking through the woods. Right, but these woods are like,
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weird.
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Just, everything is different. All these trees are different. Yeah, all the trees are different.
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Okay, all the bird species that are here are not familiar to me. Right? New Zealand was even weirder. Because all their trees are just crazy. They're like all conifers of some variety. Right? It's like,
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What is?
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What are the like, it's very odd to be in that situation where it's like, it's familiar and yet, so not at the same time. It was it was very interesting. That experience, right? I just remember, like walking down this path, just walking with a walker was Susan to the woods. You know, you've done that a bunch of times. But like, the whole woods are just like, different. It's like these weird ferns. And like, all the leaves are strange shapes that trees are. Some of the trees are ganttic. Like, what
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in the world is that?
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It was really, I'm sure if I would have seen like some sort of animal. I was like, whoa. What the heck is that? You know, I mean, it's crazy. Like, I don't know. I mean, it's a it's a good reminder, that, in what we are familiar with, is totally what we exactly take for granted. And that that is the other lived reality of something else. I guess it's kind of like, you know, people in France like they don't go to the Eiffel Tower. Why? I mean, a because it's filled with annoying Americans taking pictures above it and below it is definitely that's one reason, right? But because it's just in your backyard, right? It's not exciting to go and see that because it's just, it's just always there. It's always that kind of thing. But Same thing with the natural world. Now, like you said, Oh, I'm going to go hike in the woods. Well, definitionally the woods is very different right now. When we're overhearing news, yeah, right. It's not it's not the same, the same as it would be different tonight. Exactly. So yeah, it's just a weird that's what it made me think of when I saw that article. That's that was the big thought I had was like,
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Whoa, what is this is all your crazy snakes in Germany. No way.
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Can't be happening.
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I didn't know exactly what I was getting myself into. When I clicked on the video. I was like this This isn't real. And they're the ones are talking I was like, Oh, this is 100% real well, nevermind then. Yeah. That is that is not at all what I was expecting. But the guy the kind of, you know, talking about, you know, regionally wise just kind of things that people aren't used to or seen. In Oklahoma, I looked at the Eco regions, high plains de Southwestern table lands, central great plans, also de Flint Hills, cross timbers, East Central Texas plains, South Central Plains, the Ouachita mountains, which want you to
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watch that too.
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In the south eastern corner, we have the artist Valley, Boston mountains, Ozark Highlands and central irregular plains. And looking at those as like I didn't know six of those existed in my state, I just thought I'd pull those up real quick. Just to kind of see like, What is it? What else is in Oklahoma? That I think
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it's also weirdly more geographic regions than Missouri has? Ah, somehow, it doesn't make sense. But like, that is more sounds like more geographic regions in Missouri? And remember, it depends on Well, okay, so it will depend on what level of equal regions you're talking about. True to Aaron, are you talking about level three, level four? Or what kind of what level? I
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don't know, I have a book that says Oklahoma wildlife, and on the back of it as a little picture that literally says Oklahoma eco regions. And then it has a little number thingy of different sites like the National Wildlife Refuge and
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eco regions are
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different than the geologic regions. I know that because yes, only a few of them. And they're different than the Edu I'm saying. It looks like these are probably I'm going to guess that these are level four because it means more narrow, so so level three, okay. That's what I thought. So like, Missouri has four level three equal regions, but they have like eight or nine, level four. Okay, so I've probably familiar with that level three sin. That's like the broad like, oh, the southwestern part. Well, it's like it's like, like the highlands Central Plains. In the lowland Mississippi, alluvial stuff, though, it's Yeah, depending on if you're talking to like, again, like the glacial plains and very Plaines River I think Yeah, but yeah, the level fours are like the like that they count that weird area between like on the border with Kansas that's it's like its own special thing. Right, like, the southern part of Missouri is broken into like, four different ones based on where it is right like the Oh, yeah, the South Southwestern bid is different than the middle Southwestern Yeah, like I just pulled it up because I was curious it's Springfield, plateau, affected Springfield plateau slash Elk River, White River, central plateau, Osage gasconade St. Francis knob basins Merrimack River hills are anyways. Mostly Yeah, start they start narrowing in on large rivers and the watersheds for those on that makes sense in Missouri. up
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lots of rivers
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everywhere.
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No. Eco region talk. Cool. Yeah. Well, there we go. Then. Again, I thought it was interesting. Now as I do, it made me think about lots of different stuff. I was like, Whoa, I like it a lot. Who knew? Say go listeners, let us know. Things that are familiar to you. And then things that you would find very alien if you saw them. That might be different from your normal neck of the woods. Wherever you are, again, hello, Singapore. How's it going? I'm really interested in in what they have to say to because I'd be okay. Because like, even Singapore, like I don't really such a small area that I wouldn't even know what sort of animal species I would be even looking for. If I was there. 100% No, yeah, like I wouldn't. I know. And like in Indonesia, slash Malaysia, which is nearby is so different. Anyway, That would be completely alien. Like, I would have no idea. Yeah.
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Yeah. Oh my god. That's I do. Singapore is 100% on my list of places.
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Oh yeah, we still cool. Yeah. When we go on our own brother podcast tour, we know we've Yes, there we go. Oh man.
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Well,
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we'll get that on the books for 2022 All right. Sounds good. I think that'll wrap us up then. I think we're good to go. Sounds good. You guys have a good rest of your evening. And we'll talk to you guys