no robot arm
We get a bit philosophical this episode and answer the question burning in your brain right now: What’s the relationship between Cyber Punk 2077 and Jean-Paul Sartre? Plus, Collin has a t-shirt surprise and Brandon has weird coins.
Receipt for nothing
Cyber Punk 2077 review
Cyberpunk themes and aesthetic
Who doesn’t love Jean-Paul Sartre?
World building and french philosophy
Rene Descartes
NOT the Dakar
Descartes in Tails of the Bounty Hunters and IG-88
Accessibility of themes through storytelling and media
Cyberpunk as a genre for asking big questions about humanity
T-shirt surprise
Weird coins in boxes- “alleged mailing accident”
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Collin 00:05
Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast. It's three brothers trying to figure it all out with your hosts Brandon Collin.
00:13
Aaron
Collin 00:15
on this week's show. No robot arm. Hello.
00:28
Hello.
Collin 00:31
What is new
Aaron 00:37
just getting some getting all the Christmas stuff ready for tomorrow and then the day that I'm that we're done pretty good. was making some more of those um bark stuff and look at the time I was like Oh no.
00:57
I guess he died
Aaron 01:02
last year yeah. Welcome
Collin 01:08
Yeah, we had quite the day today. The high was 59 at 9am this morning. It is now currently real feel 14 the hay and it was snowing a little bit moments ago. And to Morrow is going to be even better. Be much colder. Yeah. So better. Better Tomorrow real feel negative to overnight. Obey.
01:43
Oh yeah.
Collin 01:44
humidifiers doing? Dry? Turns out in old homes. Old homes. Don't Don't hold in there. Well, now that's because there was always more coal to add more heat. That's why throw some more coal on there. That's what that's the philosophy. Why hold in heat when you can just make more? More? It's very 19th century. Right. It is a very Victorian like, well, that's fine. I'll just burn more of this. Take that. Yes. Because as we know, as we know, coal is infinite. So wait, hold on. Right. is naturally infinite, which makes things nice. Yeah, yeah. You know, it could never run out. Nothing could ever mean there. There will possibly be more coal. See in about 300 million years. When some of the last coal deposits were laid out. absurdly coniferous period, roughly three, three to 500 million years ago. Somewhere in there. He seems to be slightly off but yeah, yeah, it's fine. So you're saying there's a chance I did not hear it now. Hopefully. Oh. Yeah, that's gonna be gonna be good. We fine. Just cold. Christmassy. It's fine. Nobody likes 65 degree Christmases. No. No, I do wish that again. I do wish that there were more there was more snow because it makes the cold kind of worth it. Though. That is true. You're getting something out of it. Right? Right. Instead of just for rigid. For nothing, like dry and for reasoning. Like that's, that's a little rough. That's when it feels real cold. Because it's not like, I know, at least here even though it's like those times when it's quote unquote, dry. It's still just for somehow it just still feels really damp. Right. You don't mean like you're still like so at least it there snow. It looks nice. Like Ah, yeah. Pretty. Gray is pretty instead of just like, Why? Why is everything so awful? Yes. That's when the dog walking is real short. Like Alright, check. We'll be outside for 20 seconds. Calm down. So that was how it was the evening before supper, right? He's like, Nope, not there. Poor guy. Sorry. The old dog don't like it out here. Bye. The other than being frozen today, and not having enough coal on hand. How's your day been? Here? We've been, I guess, you know, it's been, it's been fine. It's been fine. It's been. It's been, it's a short week for us three day week, because I would get tomorrow and Friday off. And so it kind of makes a workweek interesting with only three days. So just trying to get things wrapped up. But it's also been been good because it's been reliable, I focused, high expense, but I've been focusing more on some things that don't need a lot of time, right? So these little tiny projects, I've just kind of, okay, hang up, because I've been devoting everything else to a big project. Now, it's like, well, I don't want to launch into a big project this week. So I'll just do these little things. And that's felt nice. It felt nice. It's felt more productive, because I've been able to check off more things for my list. It you actually get things done that way, right.
06:27
Yes, doesn't take like many, many days, they'll be like, Oh, I'm done now. Right? And, yeah, that's been nice. But no, I had my boss reach out to me about a
Collin 06:44
one of my objectives for the year was to sit on a panel to create, they asked for input on this and science, branch.
06:53
Science now.
Collin 06:56
Have a we want to make a process to take in project proposals, rank them, and score them against each other, and then fund project. And I was like, Ooh, that sounds like fun. I'll hop on that. And I'll put it on my one of my objectives. So that icon shows that I'm, you know, working with people and doing stuff. And that was literally a year ago. It's not fun at all, I just want to throw that out there. It's like the least fun. I don't know, it's kind of fun to you know, you get to design a process, or you get to design and collaborative people like, Okay, how do we want this to look? What is the you know, from start to finish? Anyway, I thought interesting. Turns out, he had fun, I got to put my name on it. And they're like, great, you know, we'll be in touch. And then a year later, I find out, well, they've already decided on the process. And I haven't been involved at all.
07:55
Oh, well. So I was like, Well, I'm need to take that off of my, my objective list. For this year, I can, you know, not have it. You can actually focus on something else. What's true, and it doesn't come at you like review thing. I see that you did not do this at all.
Collin 08:15
Yeah. I mean, really, there's not my fault, because they did it without me. So Oh, my gosh, here's this crazy concept of we have, there are so many forms in the world to tell you that you did something. But to get a form that says the reason you didn't do something was because that's something like ceased to exist or wasn't required anymore. Those kind of forms aren't real. I don't know why we don't track that kind of thing. Perfect example, because that looks bad on a spreadsheet. And so as we know, if you don't track the bad things, then you have only done good, but I'm not even I'm not even saying tracking bad. Like, here's here's a perfect example. I had reason to go get a paid receipt for my 2019. Personal taxes. They said, okay, you need to go get a paid receipt for your personal property taxes. For 2019. I was like sweet. So I went to the courthouse, and I was paying my 2020 personal property taxes anyway. So I was like, here's this. Okay, he received the last year's as well. I don't know where mine is at home and I need the receipt. They looked it up online. And I said, Oh, you didn't owe any in 2019. To which I said, so how do I show them that? The reason I can't give them a receipt is because I didn't know anything. And they looked at me and said, We don't know. waiver or something. And they're like, well, we have waivers that we can give to the DMV. So what vehicles and I was like for vehicle I'm Not trying to get a vehicle registered. It's because you know, it's part of my business stuff. And they were like, No, we don't know how to do that. could could you have them call us and we'll just tell them over the phone? I was like, Are you serious? Like, this thing's never come up? Yes. Yes, perfect. Like there's no, there was nothing to say. The reason this person cannot give you a receipt is because there was no receipt to be had because they didn't owe anything, right. It's just like, again, the concept of not knowing anything is also very foreign. To entities such as this, right? It's not a thing that you like, people don't understand that. Like, what do you mean you don't owe money? Yeah. Why? Are you a hermit? Right? Are you some sort of hobo?
10:53
Like? No, I? Yeah, it was it was so weird. It was so bizarre. I think it was like, is because of we like when we moved in when we got beagles registered and switched over and all this stuff that yeah, it was a weird time and time for him. We didn't know. And so I was like,
Collin 11:12
I don't know what to tell you. Because he moved from a different state. So like, from a different state. And then we had this holdover where the cars didn't get rich Anyway, it was very weird. And yeah, yeah. So they're still registered in your previous state until you get Yes, yeah. So it's like, no. receipt. And they were like, Oh, I don't, we don't have we can't do anything. Just have them call us. And we'll tell them that you don't. Like here, here's what you do. Here's a napkin. And what you write it out, is probably a piece of paper would work better. Here's a random blank piece of office paper. I need you to type that. Give it to your little notary person. Go, bam, stamp it up the cake, sign it, I stamp it. That's what I need. That's what I need. You can make it fit to notarize. It's fine. In the Microsoft Word and say, Collin doesn't know doesn't have a receipt, because he doesn't owe anything signed county assessor. Right. And then I would just take this over. A concern, right? He wouldn't do that. I was like, that's what I would have done. Like, I don't have a form I'll make one is fine. You sign this for me. Thank you. They'll make it great. It's like, put this on somebody to do list tomorrow to to? I don't know like, well, also, I imagine that the amount of times that that particular thing comes up. Right, which it sounds like last year in your county was one. devoting any sort of resources to coming up with a solution to a problem that basically never exists ever? is sort of like, not no one's gonna do that. But here's now because it is. Well, yeah, but you have my luck. Like, I'm always the one person that it applies to. It's like, I guess, why? Why is it never work? It's the frustrating part, because I'm going, I was in the county assessor's office for 45 minutes trying to figure this out. I guarantee you, was so bad, I guarantee you that it's not gonna take you another 45 minutes to copy and save that form somewhere and save it on a desktop, or whatever, right. It's faster to do it one time, I have a really bad habit of doing that. Right. Because I work, it's cool. Like, I have a really bad habit of like, Oh, I need to make a thing for this. And so I like whip it up real fast. And then I print it and like, all right, done, and I close the program. And then I don't have it anymore. So or I've done it in a because I started last year, I just started doing it all in like Google Docs, right. But sometimes, because I did it all in like a hurry. You know, I'd be like, oh snap. I need this for today. And I'm just like, do it Blam. The thing that I would forget is like the title. Right. So the document has no title. So like it's in my drive somewhere. Where though? Yeah, it's like 75 thing called untitled. Yeah. Just like open a bunch of them. Like is that know that That's not it. What about this? No, that's not it, either. One. Are you the one? Yeah, no, my file management is quite poor. Cuz I'm like, Oh, I'm gonna do this right now. Cuz again, I only think about like, what's happening right this second. So the thought that I'm like, going to need this again in a year is like, not ever a thought that crosses my mind. I'm just like, dude, did you? Did you go out with him? And then the next year comes and I'm like, Where's that
15:37
thing I did?
Collin 15:39
Where did I put that? It is, even if you go through the whole process? Well, like for work like we have, oh my gosh, it took me months just to learn the centralized like storage on the server, or all the files that we have that we maintain all the folder structure and all of this. Oh, yeah, I don't even know how ours works. Because we have one of those, like a central server, data bank thing for the school. But yeah, it's kind of a hot mess. And it's full of just like, everybody's like, dumb pictures for the clubs and stuff they put in there. Sure. And it's constantly full. And so like, I don't even touch it anymore. I've never really I know it exists. But I don't touch it at all. So that's a Yeah, yeah.
16:33
I'm out on that.
Collin 16:35
On the end drive, and I'm constantly in there. I'm constantly going and looking for documents and looking for see if we did a site visit there years ago, or looking up this? Well, yeah, documents or applicable, this research article that was written that pertains to certain something, but it still is just like, I mean, it can take 14 clicks just to get to a document. And at any point, along that folder structure, if you get off you've been way, way wrong, and search doesn't work. And it's awful, because nothing's tagged or anything like that to it. Lots of other things too, like, at this point, like actually trying to fix it would be worse than just sort of dealing with it. Right? Like there's a tipping point somewhere where just like, going in, and like mining through all that stuff, and like actually trying to sort it and catalog it and fix it would just be the worst. So just sort of dealing with it and learning how to work around it is really easy. So the one big shift that I that I did have to do because it was it was unworkable for me was the the gentleman who previously had my position organized all of his files by biologists name. So if he would, if he if he went on a landowner visit? He he would he would it didn't he would not put what county or what stream it was on or what what region was it? It went under, this is my Nathan folder, and all of my stuff that has to do with Nathan, that goes in there, which to a brand new person is completely miserable. I don't know who these
18:25
who they think is David.
Collin 18:27
And, and he and he or like Steve that worked there. 20 years ago, he's got his own folder, like what the heck is this? Yes, yeah, that's the thing is that he had biologists in there who had moved on to other positions who were there for three years, and then we left. And so I'm brand new, I have no idea who any of these people are. And I'm trying to figure out all this stuff and learn the history of this biologists position in the Ozark region. And oh, actually, four people have been there over the past 15 years. So look at these warnings. And it's ridiculous. So that might mean the worst possible metric. By it made no sense to me. No sense to me. So I had to take this whole structure, but not least, why? Because potentially, you could have the same section of stream filed under seven different biologists names. And you can't cross overs and be like, no, it's this thing. But like, in that became seven people gave their opinions on it. And that became really hard to try and track that stuff down. And so I had to spend about a month of not constantly working on this, but very focused work of tearing into both the digital files, and all of the paper files that I have at the office and re putting this into. I'm gonna I do, I do region. I do County, and I do stream and that's what I do, right? Because that's what that's what makes sense right? And then have all the information of everybody. Yeah. But that way you can see Oh, have we ever had a question about the North Fork branch of Beaver Creek? Okay, I don't know. But let me go check for my North branch of Beaver Creek folder. See if it exists. I mean, that just makes infinitely more sense than a dude's name. are you ever gonna find that again, though? Yep. Yep. And, you know, to somebody who is in the position for 35 years, it made perfect sense. He knew exactly. And it made him. But he never thought I mean, doesn't make sense. It would be usable, usable, yes. But it doesn't really make sense. Like, it still doesn't make sense to do that. Like, imagine if the state of Oklahoma did not have a county file that I just had a file called Aaron. Hello. And it was like, wait. Not not cities, not addresses, not geographic regions. It just said, Aaron. I needed to find a family's name. You never again, it would be lost forever. If I were completely unusable by anybody else, except for one person. Yeah, yeah. Right. And that's where it breaks down. So yeah, there's still things like that in the server that I find where or I'll find the same document filed in like, six different folders, because a couple people found the same thing and thought they would file it and never told anybody else that they filed it or somewhere else. Nobody else, you know, things like that, or that that's the way they cross referenced it. Right? Like old school, how do you cross reference it? Well, you just have seven copies inside? Yes, 100. net, constantly. Like we can't like just like, it's you're just pretending that your computer is a file cabinet at that point, right? Like how people or my favorite is, they'll also within a folder, they'll have a shortcut to another folder within that folder. And you can just ping between all these different folder groups, because someone's placed a shortcut there because they're like, Oh, I was in here one time working on sand and gravel permit, add all these relevant things. Yeah. Right. So I'm gonna go sprinkle these breadcrumbs throughout the folder structure and like, sure, whatever. How fun.
22:47
satisfying
22:54
data management, Aaron, how's it going listeners are tired of data management
Aaron 23:02
of coming, you know, especially in VHS because a lot of the stuff was always done a certain way and just things just never changed. And so if you read a lot of the older like, case files on like, a certain male family or something, like there's a lot of stuff that just in all like acronyms, and Oh, yes. And so you have to like decipher and whenever you have to, you know, staff a case like Oh, so what did you get in history? Like I, if it's anything past like 2005? I have no idea because none of that makes sense.
Collin 23:35
It's an ancient This is dead language that I can't Aramaic, right. translate
Aaron 23:40
it out. Um, but as far as I know, like anything new. I am, like I say we're getting ready for Christmas festivities
Collin 23:56
tomorrow
Aaron 23:58
at Shelby's dad's house and then we're gonna go to her mom's house for more festivities and then kind of set it for our for Christmas slash my birthday Shelby got me a gaming laptop. And so I have just been what I'm not working, obviously.
Collin 24:22
Yeah Warhammer for days.
Aaron 24:23
We know that we finish Christmas shopping. I can't complain too much because I was about to make a comment about, oh, well, I only had to pay, you know, 160 bucks for my car to get you know, new oil and a new taillight and you know, alignment. And I was like, Oh, I'm sorry.
Collin 24:47
Hey, do you want to hear about transmission repairs, you
24:49
don't want to even want to rip the tail out. Let me tell you and if you want to have it adventures afternoon, replace your own lights in your car. I'm telling you, boy. It's so much fun. tried,
Aaron 25:02
but I was just like, I have to get my oil. I just do it. There. It's true. And so I just went and had like, a lunch. Like I
Collin 25:15
do the things like I'm fully capable of changing the oil in a car. Like I know how to do it. I know how it works, but like it's such a hassle. Yeah. And then you have like, you have all this leftover oil. You gotta like, do something with it. Take it somewhere and like it's the whole thing.
Aaron 25:33
Yeah. So did I did that today finished up some other Christmas shopping and then I came back and worked. And thankfully we're, we have tomorrow off. So I don't think I had a lot of steam left or a lot of gas left in the tank for you know, two more days of work is only a Wednesday. Yes. Yeah. So yeah, I definitely did not have enough fuel to last me. Yeah. And that like two more days. So my cases are quite interesting. I was like,
Collin 26:09
Christmas can get a little bit sooner.
Aaron 26:13
So thank you. Thankfully, it has arrived. But yeah. Other than that, no new like, super, super recent developments. I'm looking around my little office. It's full of Christmas items and goodies. But yeah, I was gonna go over in, you know, cook somebody's almond bark stuff, which I still can't figure out what the heck they're called. And yeah, just kind of go from there and say God,
26:50
driving all over the world as usual. We're gonna call them candy to pretzels. To rename them right now.
Aaron 26:57
Like a good, good thing to call them. And so yeah, other than that, that's all that's all I got on our end down here. Not a whole whole lot. cookin that's, that's all I got. Really? Nice. taking it easy. It's been it's been a very, very short and yet well, nice. Well needed week. So yeah, I've done the bare minimum to call it good. Yeah, and I'm done.
Collin 27:35
What's hard, like, you get that fatigue? Right. It's like, I can't why I can't function like it's, it's just a thing. So it's definitely nice to have some time off to do just literally anything else. Right? Like, it's just the mental fatigue thing. We're just like, it's very draining, raining. And I think many jobs have that yours, specifically. But like, I think that's a problem for a lot of people, right? Just like, just, you know, golfing, you do a thing, like all day, and then go home and you're like, just get up and do it again, to after a long time of that. Just you sort of feel like you're not actually doing anything, because it's just very repetitive, you know, what I mean? are very similar, at least, and without breaks for other stuff. It's just very mentally taxing. Yeah, it can be real draw on the facilities. So like, you know, like, my job, I feel that way. Sometimes, you know, there's big gaps between things. Like, you know, it's like, it's not bad. I like it. And it's fun, but like, after a while, yeah. After like a couple, you know, you know, after like, two, three months with no, like, extra, like, a weekend break or whatever. It's like
Aaron 29:06
definitely kind of the thing that I that I did really enjoy when I was a teacher of getting to actually have like, you know, I you know, call him legitimate break because I only get like, like a few days off.
Collin 29:19
I mean, I wasn't really gonna bring up the fact that I've been all week but since you did, I'm just saying I've been since while we're on the top I've been awful. I have been playing video games and guitars all week long. That's why I've been doing so. I really have nothing to add to the like, what do you been up to conversation? Like unless you want to talk about the weirdness that is cyberpunk. 2077 we can talk about that if
29:43
you want to blind.
Collin 29:44
Okay, yeah, so Oh, yeah,
29:47
I got it quick. Didn't get a shot on the store. Yeah, so it's kind of like not done. Yeah, right. Yeah. Like
Collin 29:58
I heard a lot about that. That people were complaining about it because it wasn't. Yeah, it's it's like not quite. It's like it's not quite polished.
30:11
I mean, like, yeah, it's done, technically. But is it functionally complete?
Collin 30:19
No, no, not Not really. Okay. It's still like, it's still pretty enjoyable. Like, I'm still having fun with it. But there's some times you're like, what was happening? Why is nothing loading? Like what's going on? Now? I will say, in defense, it's like, it's hyper ambitious the thing that they have attempted to do here. Right. But like, because this the the scope of what they were going for is insane. Like, it's massive. But, yeah, I think they probably could have delayed another six months.
Aaron 30:57
That was the biggest thing that people were pretty upset about is that they that it's been delayed so many times. Yeah, I need to be delayed some more though.
Collin 31:05
Yeah. Right. And I think that's the kind of game and people are gonna just release it already. Like, okay, here it is. And it's not quite finished. Oh, no, I really like the Polish is just like weird. Like, sometimes things would like load funny or like, stuff would like to disappear. Like, what? What's the concept, though? I enjoy, like, pretty much. I think that's what's making it still playable. So I'm still sort of just tooling around in it, is because the everything else is so interesting. Like, just the, in general, like the lore and the drill setting and stuff is really cool. But like, functionally, you're like, Hmm, this could have not quite right. So referido, you say what they were trying to do was ambitious. What What does that mean? In the context? Okay, so whatever. So basically, they have created one gigantic city. Right? That is completely been no loading? No, nothing. Oh, geez. Right? When you go into building, it's just us walking just there. Right? You go all the way across the map. Right? It just, it's just there. There's no loading sections. There's nothing. So the scope is in its big, right? It's not like a little tiny. area, which is what most people try to do. They make it smaller, because then it's all more containable. And then there's like little tricks you do with like, well, you don't load this part in because you technically can't see it, and it's not there. And so you don't load that area to save your CPU memory stuff, right? This one feels like sometimes it's just like, yep, here's everything. Oh, why? So like, a lot of it is just like textures. Don't come in, right? Like textures don't load, right. Things don't. And then they sort of like, catch up all of a sudden, like, oh, there it is. Boom, there's like, is that a gray blob building? Like, Oh, okay. So it's kind of cool. But like, yeah, it's just not quite, not quite done. So it'll be interesting to see what they do. They've been like fiercely putting out patches. But my internet is so not great. And that I can't, I'm not going to be able to download them. Because for example, the patch that was out currently 1.05 would you like to take a guess at the file size of the just a patch to fix some of the issues there? So I was gonna ask about total file size of the game. The patch. Oh, no, I have I have no idea where to even start.
33:58
so important to know. I don't know what the PC download is. It's probably enormous.
Collin 34:05
The Xbox disk download is 70 gig. Okay. Yeah, I looked at the patch download. They were like Oh, it'll fix a lot of this stuff. 40 gig patch that's what excuse you.
34:33
What's up?
Collin 34:34
That's how not done we're talking. Wow. I look for Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, it's really weird. And stuff like they just they just a just not they just kind of bought into the whole pressure of the all because we just got to release. The other thing you need to know this game has been in development for something like 10 years.
Aaron 35:00
Yeah, cuz I remember though, that's another reason why people are I
Collin 35:04
just really it's like one of the most anticipated things ever. And so like, you know, people were like, Oh my gosh, just we just want it. We just want to play it. And they just gave it. They're like, Alright, let's do it. Let's go. They shouldn't have done that. This summer, probably would have been a good time to drop it. Right. Like, I think not a lot of games come out in the summer anyway. Drop that sucker in June, you know, bang, here it is. Like, it's a little. Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see if I can actually finish it. That'll be the can. Is it actually finishable? Or will some terrible thing happened? Where it like, blows up by a file? Yeah, I would be so worried that downloading that size of file, would would, I don't know, just the number of things that can go wrong over the course of that download. Just Well, yeah. Right. And it's, again, all that data that's shoved in there is very, like, it's very, you know, again, they were ambitious. That's something that gets lm they weren't interested about it. Because I like the whole, like, cyberpunk aesthetic thing in general, I find it very interesting. It's very cool. Hey, it's, there's a lot of it's not represented a lot in media, like it's in a lot of books. You know, like, it's kind of a hard thing to describe in a book. Like, this cyberpunk like aesthetic is kind of it really does. It is aided by visual media. Mm hmm. Right. whole, like, cybernetic implant people. thing, like, you know, and there's all this sub Catholics like people losing their humanity, because there's too much, you know, cyber, like, it's really kind of cool. There's like, these cool, like, little underlying stories you can tell about stuff. It's very interesting. Like, like, the aesthetic design is very pleasing, right? Like this big giant cities with like mega buildings. Like the super towers have, like everything in one deal. You know, people live there, and there's like stores and everything, like in a building. So kind of interesting. Design wise. But yeah, it's pretty broken. So that's what I'm doing. I've been exploring. All the weird in the driving is great. The way that like cars and stuff actually physically respond to driving. Sometimes, like, what was happening? What is this and that notoriously, this has been a problem in VR games, like there are like, games don't always do this good. Anyway, all times driving is like the worst part of games. It's just not, for whatever reason, they just do it bad. There are notable exceptions to do it really, really good. I mean, outside of like, actual racing game score, it's the whole point. So those ones work good. But like, obviously, hopefully, not all of them, actually. But they should. Some of them do. Like Sleeping Dogs. The driving the game is like, is really good. Like, a lot of times, it just feels really skatey you know, like, it's just like sliding about, it feels like the thing and like the input response is not matching what you're seeing, you know, yeah, so this was all slighty. And the fact that texture is loaded, like randomly doesn't help because like, oh, that flat thing is a car baby like Oh, no. And then the car like magically responds to the curb that just appeared under it. So it kind of reminds me of, I don't know if you guys remember this episode in Top Gear, where Clarkson drive? Has I forget what he's playing with the video game. He's driving a Honda in that NSX around Laguna Seca. And then he gets to Laguna Seca, and he tries his granturismo Yes. tries to match his time place. Well, yeah. And, and just, you know, it was very, you're talking about how they don't driving mechanics are kind of walking don't match and it just instantly took me back to that episode where he's driving. He's like, this isn't working. Or he's like, you know, I've got to slow a lot further down here than they do in the video game. I'm like, Well, of course you are like, duh, but yeah, cuz that was Now even Yeah, they do a better job now like, cuz that was probably PlayStation two maybe. So a while ago but like, the maybe PlayStation one? I don't remember. Anyways, that was back in 2005 2004 till five. So that probably would have been Yeah, that was just the release of the PlayStation two somewhere in there. So it could have been two or one one of those early those early ones the gravity like the mass of the car was not matching really select when you break. It doesn't react completely how you think it's going to? Yeah, the late now they do a lot better, like later granturismo and then the like, what's it called the Forza games? Yeah, definitely good like, like when you play a game like Forza, because I have that Forza Horizon, the one that's like open world drive around England, Forza Horizon four, right? You just like go to these like road races on the country lanes and stuff. So they're like, you can really, they've done a lot better job of like, when you tap the brakes, you can feel the weight in the car, like, shift forward. You know, I mean, so you have to like you can like load up that forward momentum before you turn. So you'll hit the brakes first. And then the car on screen like you can see it responding how you think it should be doing. Again, that game is only about driving cars though, right? That's it. That's the only thing you can do is drive a car. So like, packed into a massive massive world with a plot and everything else. plots and side plots and random things and like items and crafting and shops and gun mods and clothing mods and physical cybernetic body mods that you have to like try to make and attach to yourself. So you can do like all kinds of stuff better. Yeah. So the lawn, I can see what the driving wasn't a priority. But there is a racing sub like side quests. So you got a kid because every open world game has to have its mandatory, I think a racing side quest that you can do if you want to. which is they all have it every single one. Like all bro, street racing like every single one. I don't know why. They all have it in there someplace. You meet a guy and they're like, Oh, yeah, bro, you could earn some money street rent. It's the same exact same plotline, everything. So if you're going to make street racing a thing that you want me to do, maybe your car physics should be honest, saying, Oh, you know, I'm saying maybe next time, next time, they'll get to it. Maybe I'm wondering if they're gonna like make a couple like DLC things for it. And then rerelease like a patched like completely patched like already built into game version with like, additional stuff for people that have like, either returned it or have been like, not bought it yet. Because they you know what I mean? Like, I wonder if I can do something like that. In like six months to a year, like, Okay, well, here's these other we've, here's some more content we've added to it. There's some more like stuff. Here's a fixed version. And they're gonna repackage that and sell it to people who are unhappy with the first one. Maybe. I wonder if they do something like that? Yeah. Yeah. So many patches before, you know you're missing. The people who got rid of it before that patch came how you exactly. They gave up on it. They were like, yeah, this Yes. unplayable and its current state. And so I can't, you know, I mean, like, they got to get it out, or especially people that play on like, consoles or something, you know, cuz PC people inventories for, like, yell down or whatever, who cares? Like, go for it, you know, like, God. But yeah, that other demographic might just be like, Oh, yeah, I need more stuff. So I wonder if they'll do something like that eventually. Like, a repackage like, okay, here's a fixed stuff with like, extra content. Everything's included in the thing. Try again, so I don't know. I don't know. We'll see how it goes. Because they're in some lawsuit terms now. So really, I mean, people going after him for that. Or some of the publishers are they're like, yo, you send us stuff that's not done. Oh, no. Yeah. Like it's not like, you know me Because it's like, oh, no, I meant joining a class action lawsuit. Yeah, I don't think so. I think it's like distributors and stuff. They were like, Guys, what are you doing? Why are you trying to? Why are you trying to market and sell this game? That's like, what can I do? They've got Yeah, if they have to purchase their their stock and supply it, and then they're, they're the ones there that they're the ones doing the Yeah, they're gonna take the hit on the returns, right? Yeah, no, that'd be really annoying. Like XYZ game store they bought, you know? Uh huh. You know, I don't know, let's just scale we'll say they bought 100 of the copies, right? But then, like, 50 people return them, like, Oh, so now they're out that cost of that they've got to buy it all back at full price, they are not making money off the thing. You know, then they got to get that money back from the game developer somehow. Like, how do you recoup that loss that you return? I'm sure they and the great irony here. Yes. The great irony here is this is all this whole game is about, like for those of you not familiar with, like the cyberpunk like aesthetic, like, the whole kind of stick is like, corporations bad. Right? Like, they're in charge in a cyberpunk universe is like, big, giant companies rule everything, and they have all the power of everything, like government, everything. And like, the under group people are, like, much more dystopian. You know, they're like, people living on the streets or in like these ramshackle things. And it's, it's all it all exists by these corporations trying to sell them stuff to try to make their lives better. And then the corporation's just use that money to control everything else. And so the great irony here is that the game is about that. And then the game companies that publish they're like, No, no, no, it's fine. Just give us all your money, and everything will be okay. So that irony is not lost on me. Literally, they're getting in trouble for some of the exact same things that are happening in their story that they wrote in a playbook. Oh, no. Yes. So that's the other interesting thing. That's why I like that fiction. Like, it's really kind of cool. And then every once a while, though, you do read some like fiction like that. And you go, Oh, wait a minute. That's, that's real. But I don't have a robot arm? Dang it. Yeah, maybe majorie. We all know that. That's the other thing about especially, particularly in this sort of universe about it. Like becoming in a lot of it, a lot of them like, too many cybernetics become like, a bad thing for the person. Right? So there's this like, quandary that a lot of the fiction discusses of like, where a lot of it's about like humanity, right? Like, what is? What is humanity? Like when you tie yourself to too much of a machine? And then like, do you lose your community? Are you still human? What about beings that are constructed? Like AI constructs that have bodies like, are they do they possess humanity? Is that you know, is that innate? Do they gain it? Do they program it? Like, what is the meaning of humanity is kind of the underlying theme of a lot of this stuff, which is kind of cool. You know? It's a nice little tied together. It's very interesting, though. Yeah, because you do the you do the, okay. I need my robot arm, that helps me be better. But then where does that that discussion of where does that stop? At for the person? Yeah, but before as you said, Yeah, or they these, quote unquote, lose their humanity. And then I know, a lot of that is, is that even a bad thing to be worried about? Yeah. Do you just fully embrace that and go, Well, this is the new world. And this is where this is exactly. And that one of the weird like, random side plot things that you do in the game, you have to deal with something called cyber psychosis. Like, there are people that have become to modified and it really affects their brains, and they just kind of start going. Like they're basically malformed. Right. So it's like a, it's almost like some sort of computer or some machine has malfunctioned and like, gone off and done something bad. So they like end up hurting people or something because they just can't like, control anymore. And it is because, you know, is it because they lost their humanity? Is it because something is taken over their humanity? Like what, you know, that whole kind of that is the part that interests it's like, the coolest part about that whole kind of genre, I think, is some of the themes and stuff that explorers are not found often in other places. Like, unless you wanted to read some john Paul Sartre, which I mean, who doesn't? Oh, man, just so easy to read. Wait. It's the brevity it was he right, that really helped. Yeah, I mean, if you really just want cuz I mean, I know, I'm sure some people just love to spend a Saturday afternoon reading French philosophers, you know, but like, that's, you know, it's fine has its place, I've read some of it. It's not as digestible. If there's not robots in it, let's be real. It's just not your, or if there's like sweet motorcycles. Right? That's gonna be all the best thing about cyberpunk aesthetic is the vehicle design, and is known to coolest, specifically motorcycle design to best. Which is why I think it benefits so much, again, from visual media. Because like, you can read about it. It's fine. You know, you kind of it the themes are important. So the themes are often discussed in the media, visual in the written media. But to add the extra layer of coolness, the visual is like really important to the aesthetic, the whole thing is like very visual. So to really understand the setting and the context, for a lot of those themes, you do have to in my mind, I agree, you do have to have the visual component to that, like really weird, like, futuristic kind of thing. Like, you know, it's one thing to read about somebody that has a cyborg arm, but when you just see them in a movie, or a television show or a video game, like walking around the street, and you sound like a robot hand, like it's a different mood, right? It's like, Oh, it's a very different tone. Because it's almost like, you know, they don't, it's not specifically brought up, like in a book the author's like, like, hey, look, look at this thing. Look at something like that. You're gonna have to, because that's really the only thing because it's a book, because the book, but like, you know, other things like that. It's just there, and it sort of creates the world. It's one of the world building we talked about before a little bit like, yeah, it's just a way to build that world around it so that it's more interesting, and it feels more fleshed out. You know? So like, I mean, when the NPCs decide to load into the area, obviously. Like, it just it does, it does do a better job of world building, in my opinion. So there are certain there are there are certain genres that just need a visual media, I think, yes. Well, because no, because fundamentally, like how would you differently if you just took themes and kind of general story arc, it'd be really hard to differentiate something like Mad Max and like Tron or legacy or Blade Runner kind of stuff, because it's they all deal with these similar themes. Yeah, cuz they're set in the diff completely differently. Right? Completely what it means something different, right? So if you go and you watch, yeah, Ghost in the Shell, or, like a Ready Player One or Tron, these kind of things like it. There is an inherent character, right in Ooh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's definitely Yeah. That's a big visual difference does. It does aid in the storytelling, right? You're right, like in a book, it's just jump off start again. Which, which is right, if you're a if you're if you're a start night, you know, go ahead, do your thing. Yeah, start starting, right. Yeah. But in that era, it does add because it's very,
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like, I don't know, I encountered I think a good example of this, that I just remembered.
Collin 54:46
Again, for those of you are not familiar with French philosophy, or john Paul Sartre or I had to look up his name because I forgot who it was. But decart is the other one, right? Bring the indica. Yeah, really? He's the heart race through the desert. No, that's the Perry Dakar. This is Renee car. He's the Cogito ergo sum guy, right? I think therefore I am. Yes. Ah, oh, so you can read that treatise? You can that's a thing you can do. I have read it. I read it in philosophy class in college. Right? It's pretty interesting. But basically is he's talking about existence and like, how do you know you exist? Right. One of the great philosophies philosophical questions. How do you know you? Are you? Okay, he goes on and on and on, on, on on on about this forever. He makes some pretty good points. But it's not easy to read. It's not accessible. Okay, so that's fine. I unknowingly encountered that idea. For the first time when I was in middle school. In a Star Wars Extended Universe book. Hey, yeah. Right. So I unknowingly, they had somebody else had rented the car as well. And I think therefore I am, right. That's how he that's how he determined that he knows he exists, right? I think I have thoughts, I have feelings. So that means I must exist, I must be a real person. That's kind of the conclusion he draws. It takes him a lot longer to do that. But I encountered this thought in a Star Wars Extended Universe story about the robot bounty hunter, I'd like the tales of the bounty hunters book. I think that's what's called. So he is an AI robot construct. And he's sort of like, throughout all his bounty hunting, he's sort of like struggling with like, How does he know he's a real person? And not just like, How does he know that? He's a like, does he is he a real person? Or is he just an AI computer program? Right? Right. So he's, like, kind of going through this whole thing. Internally throughout the book, so the book, he's like, flying around, bounty hunting, doing all this stuff. But the whole time he's sort of struggling with like, Am I just a droid? Am I just a computer program? Or am I a person? Like, do I exist? Like, for real? Do I really think about, you know, and he in the book somewhere, he says that one of the chapters or something is basically a paraphrased version of I think, therefore I am. Right. So like, he is doing this whole thing and kind of going, that's a very cyberpunk. Like thought process with that, that aesthetic, right with the robot. And the thing and I'm pretty sure decart probably wasn't thinking about robots and artificial intelligences. Yeah, but like, principles still applies. I mean, he could have been could have been a closet futurist. I don't know. Like, it's a definitely asked the story in the fact that it's a robot and it's in a place you're familiar with, like a design aesthetic, you're very familiar with, it makes the story much more accessible. And you did you really discover more themes that way, hidden inside the Star Wars universe, that people want to read about, right. So you can like, sneak him in there, boom, French philosophy and in Star Wars, in that is that many of those philosophers obviously in in, in how they wrote, were writing at a very high level, very abstracted level, many times without a lot of concrete examples, or they didn't put it into a story for you to witness or watch or to relate to. So to have, it kind of got translated. Their name is Voltaire. Unless that happens, but then, but that's why reading literature, stories just in general, are so important, big because they can get these kind of messages across that are very profound where if you have to sit there and read
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Descartes, and all his friends, you, you wouldn't get there as they need to be
Collin 1:00:00
Yeah, it's very helpful to have them transposed into some sort of other media. Right? which again, is is it just kind of interesting, I find it very interesting that that's just an example that I specifically have that like I encountered that that thought process like in different media, and sort of like, started digesting it. Long before I ended up in college, it read the car and was like, Yo, I know this like, Yeah, I know what this guy's talking about. Because I've seen it somewhere else had been parsed for me in something digestible. So now when you see it in, like it's almost a trope for me at this point, because I see it and all these other places like you watch. Maybe it's just because I like that kind of media, but you watch other things like like Blade Runner, that's literally Blade Runner, right? Like that. That's part of the blade or anything. That movie Chappie that I don't think anybody about me likes.
Aaron 1:01:01
Oh, the South African film. Yeah.
Collin 1:01:03
Oh, man, that movie so good. People got to give Chappie a chance man, I movies great. That movies does a similar thing with him. Right? He's this like, crimefighting robot. And he's like, but am I also like, a real thing. And that movie has some other themes that deals with like, it deals with because he's sort of like gained sentience, but then he's like, in the company of like, some criminals for a while. You know? And then like, so it kind of talks about, like, it kind of touches on the theme of like nature versus nurture. But with like, robot AI, you know, like, who is responsible for it after it's created? If you can't, you know, can you just create it and just let it exist? Or do you need to create it and hope you create it right the first time and it will be fine? Or do you need to guide it in its learning to make it how you want like, there's a lot of those kinds of themes in there. And I think if you're not ready for it, and if you think you know, if you I mean that movie is if you want to go into a movie and watch like a gun, shoot robot. Yes. Excellent. But there's also a lot more minutiae in there. of like this very interesting stuff of who is responsible for Chappie, right? Like if you think Chappie is bad at this point, is that chappies fault? Or was he just raised, quote unquote, raised after he came, you know, to live by these? He was in the company of these nefarious individuals? And he learned from them? How to be so is it his fault? He's bad? Are they perceived as bad? Or is he just a product of his environment? Right. So I think that's one of my favorite parts about that movie. Not only is it visually just like super interesting. But like, there's lots of those subtle themes in there that I think some people don't like, because that they weren't really expecting that, you know, or some people just missed it altogether, because they're like, no, robot shoot other robot, which again, fine trek cool. I like I like Robocop right. It's cool. Robocop is another example. It was just that thing like speaking, right? That's another example of like, that movie is good as just an action movie. Right? But that's also like, you know, Murphy struggling with turning into a robot right? Is he is he just Robocop? Is he still Alex Murphy? Like? Is can those two things exist simultaneously? does one have to overpower the other like, you know?
Aaron 1:04:10
I I gotta say, there is one movie that I do like that. Not a lot of people do is it's the the new version of Judge Dredd.
Collin 1:04:20
I never saw that one. Oh, man. It's also pretty cyberpunk II though. Well, I was gonna say, it seems like there's another one I wanted to watch. I never got around to it's an ex machina movie, which basically the whole movie is like a Turing test. Yeah, I hear the Turing test, right, really good one. But it's one of those ones I like I'm gonna watch it and just never, never. But it seems like the cyberpunk genre really fits into these kind of philosophical questions because it is merging two different worlds with something and going is this still real? Right, is this still? Yeah, real. And so it's just interesting to see how these common themes of, of self of humanity of reality, come up in the cyberpunk genre. And I think that's just because, because of what it's mushing together, but with with, quote, reality in computers. Yeah, ask those kind of questions. Yeah, it doesn't make it. Yeah, he can bite off those big questions that are not, because some of those things don't show up in other media. Right? They don't really fit in other genres. Right? Like, you're not gonna just throw that in a Western, right? Like, do I actually exist? Like, I mean, you can, I mean, you could try it. It's a result. It's harder to get the characters to that point, like, how do you would put in the world have them questioning their self and their reality as well, like the nature of the of that, like, hard science fiction? element? Right, really does facilitate more of that kind of thought process? Right? You didn't add those themes in there? Like the sci fi part, really, I say hard science fiction. Most. A lot of times. It's pretty. There's a lot of detail in there. Yeah. So yeah, that's, it's, it's kind of a cool thing. I do like some of those themes. because like you said, you don't encounter them. Other places. It's good to have, you know, different stuff show up and be like, Oh, well, that's kind of cool. Oh, and thought about that before? Because it doesn't, it doesn't fit in with other media as well. Right. Like, like, you know, historical fiction, not really the place for existential thought about existence all the time. Right. Well, sounds like you know, in your week off, you've really been busy. And that is philosophizing, right? We're gonna call it again. Literally an armchair philosopher. Yes. Literally. I would argue there's not any other kind of philosophy. armchair philosophy, right? Not really. Okay. Here come the letters on an actor's great. Yes, I won. The one philosophy professor that listen to us who's going to be very irate now? I'm sorry. Sorry. Right into? We don't care America Street. 123. Yeah, right into. I haven't taken philosophy class in a long time. And when I did, I was sitting in a chair the whole time. So USA 321. I don't play in the stereotypes column that's giving them a mailing address. And oh, brother does not have a peel box. Yeah, don't don't send us things. No. Oh. So. So last week. What day was that? I wrote this down. I wrote this down. Hold on, hold on. I will give you an exact date. That was Oh, dear. Oh, no. Anyway, several days ago, we got in our mail, a media box are a shipping thing from from Zazzle. And I would open it up. What Go ahead, Said the name sounds familiar to me. Why should I know that? I don't know. I've never heard of it. I open up and there's a T shirt inside and printed on the T shirt says it's duck season. And that's it. Aaron, did you shift over the column by mistake?
1:09:31
And Callen? Gilad,
Collin 1:09:32
I'm entering now. And so I looked up Zazzle Zazzle is a company where you can go online and order one off. printings on Yeah, custom t shirt. Okay, okay, that's what I must have seen an ad or commercial or something. The point is that that name sounds familiar. Now. I'm looking at the shirt going. What? And I have one thing that's negative. Do you guys know the relationship of where this phrase comes from? It's duck season.
1:10:02
Bunny. It's rabbit season. It's duck season. It's done. And it's rabbit season fireball. Yes, exactly.
Collin 1:10:11
I know what this means. And I'm like, but I have no idea who this is from. So I google the I get in the tracking thing. And I go, blah, blah. And it goes to because it was shipped from Texas. And I'm like, Oh, well, Megan, and I have somebody that does not like us, like, vehement Lee hates us, for our other or the other podcast.
1:10:35
And has like, called us and kind of harassed us and stuff like that. They live in Texas. And at the end of the day, the cartoon, the duck always ends up getting shot.
Collin 1:10:48
Is this some weird threat through Bugs Bunny? And so I call I call Zazzle. And I'm like, Hey, I got this shirt sent. And they're like, sweet, how do you like it? I was like, Well, I didn't order it. And they're like, Well, do you have anything on your account? And I said, I don't think you quite understand. Up until three minutes ago, I had never heard of Zazzle. And they were like, Oh, well, I guess Merry Christmas. And I was like, well, but see, they sent it to my business name. And I have no idea what's going on. And they were like, oh. And so they thought it was a mistake. But they looked at the order. And they said no, the person put in your address. And so I was like, I know, you probably can't tell me who sent this for privacy reasons. But could you like, just let them know we got it. We say thanks. Right. Like, I just kind of like to prod. And he was like, yeah, ya know, like, I know, you can't tell me unless you can tell me he sent me this mysterious till t shirt. And he was like, yeah, sure, no problem. I'll do that. Because this is kind of weird. And I said it there you. And sure enough. We immediately got an email from somebody who we've interviewed on the podcast, who accidentally had an autofill for our information. And she was trying to send a T shirt to her brother. Wasn't your enemy. It was not alright. Okay, so my follow up question. If it was the enemy. Was it the right size shirt today? Like no does it fit? No, it was huge. Okay. I was a little fat dude. I was like, even weirder, like it fits perfectly. They have. And so, so then we have to ship it back to her. ship it to her so that she get it to like, oh my god. Yeah, may I have like, like, we have 24 hours. And we were like,
1:13:12
what is this?
Collin 1:13:13
This is some weird threat. Like, I don't even know how to do with this right now. That's pretty great. Yeah, so I can't Zazzle sending people sending wrong people t shirts. That's your thing. autofilled after like one interview, that's very bizarre. It was very bizarre. But it is knowing this person, it makes perfect sense. You know, how they operate. So it just it was just like, Oh my gosh, that was totally maybe their brother's name is also Collin and like just like, adding a little. But it was just like, sweet, though. That's pretty cool. We, we I gotta I've just texted Susan to ask her. She's by phone right now. The name of the thing. But like, we got a in a couple months ago, maybe in her Amazon order. She ordered something from Amazon, right? And inside the order was like this coin thing was like a coin sleeve. Right? And she was like, What the heck is this? Like, what and how, like a name on it and like the stuff. And so like she was like really confused. Like, what? What is this? Why don't understand what this is. And so she called Amazon and they're like, she didn't call Amazon. She called the name because it was like a look. It was like a promotional thing. Right. And for this book, and it's about like I can't remember the name of it right now. I'm gonna see if you text me. But it's about like the Hidden History of stuff. Right? Like, right and but that's what I can't remember the name of it. But this coin was in the box. And she was like, okay, that's weird. So she, she looks it up. She found the author, and she messaged him and was like, I got this. And I don't know why. And the lady was like, You got an Amazon box. And she was like, yeah, we've got an Amazon box, just like we were not distributing through Amazon. So somehow, this thing like, I don't know if it because the box was kind of like messed up by FedEx or whatever. And so it was like, the top was open just a little bit. So I don't know if somehow something fell in the truck and it fell out. And then it fell into our box. It's like, gold commemorative coin. It's like a commemorative coin thing for, like the upcoming release of their book that they were going to put out. That's bizarre. And so yeah, she messaged the lady. The lady was like, Well, I guess it's yours now. And so yeah, it was really weird, though. It took like, days to figure out like, What? Why was this thing in our Amazon box? What is gravity? And I think because it was so small and so thin. I think it just the only thing that anybody could reason is that it fell out. And then like something, and then just landed on our box and just like slid in there. In the FedEx truck. Or in the shipping somewhere somewhere in shipping. There was this weird thing that happened. And it did that. So like. So obviously, we bought the book afterwards. It's on our coffee table right now. I just can't remember. Yeah, I bought a sucker. Right there secret marketing plan that they really, or or alternate theory. They just have a plant in the shipping department just like flinging these into boxes. What I think is going on, right, there's just a guy, they just paid a guy from FedEx right? morning to get like the hub, right? Like in kansas city of Memphis like them in your pocket, dude. Yeah, just like randomly under shift just like flipping these into boxes. Don't worry. It's not suspicious at all. They have 100 of these giant things in your pocket. It's fine. To say you forgot your lunch that day. And you're eating out of the Yeah. All you could put them in your lunch box. You go. That would be perfect. Oh, great. Like, yeah, so we bought it? Because we're like, Well, you know, we went through all this trouble, this whole mystery. And then we actually messaged the author of the book online, so I guess we'll buy it. Wow. Well, let us know how great is the book review? Oh, it's pretty good. She says good. I haven't read too much of it. But it's just really interesting. There's just it's like one of those things. It's like short little sections about like, where stuff comes from or like how it came to be, but it's a lot of it's like city based. It's based on like urban architecture and structure and stuff like that. So it's pretty cool. I'm gonna go look for it real quick. Hold on. Okay, Bam. Bam. Aaron. Yeah.
Aaron 1:18:56
I'm trying to think if I have any, any stories where I've received something kind of out of the ordinary or not at all. vamping
1:19:11
do some spoken word poetry go.
1:19:14
I don't know any poetry.
Aaron 1:19:17
There was a Shelby had ordered a necklace like months ago. And right. Now granted with the holiday seasons now it's just been absolutely crazy to finally get a hold of it, I think after like, five or six months, like it's, it's finally like in the state of Oklahoma.
1:19:42
Oh my gosh.
Aaron 1:19:44
Yeah. And so it was it was kind of a thing like we got here and then it was like sent back because I go well, that's not the right address. No, no, no, it is when promised. And so yeah, it's it's been a whirlwind of just just trying to find But we it's finally in the state so we at least know where it's at now.
Collin 1:20:05
Julia from like, wish. No, it was six, eight months delivery.
Aaron 1:20:09
It was it was like some like, jewelry thing from like Colorado.
Collin 1:20:14
Like a small time like,
Aaron 1:20:16
yeah, it's like they're in a box and they're like right here dude is get a was it
Collin 1:20:21
it was from Etsy wasn't it? No, I haven't never, never delivered ever.
Aaron 1:20:26
I ordered a map of the Star Wars universe thinking it was gonna be like, Oh, that's a really big thing. It was like some dude printed it out of the thing and stuck it on a paper. And it took like four months to get to me. I was like, itches. It's just a man.
Collin 1:20:42
I can't do this. And I could have printed that off. Yeah, I could have done it is rough. That's a it's a real hit or miss everybody I know that works. There. It's like either, like something that's like $7 million. Because it's like hand crafted by one guy. He's made over the course of several weeks. Or it's like complete trash. That is way overpriced. It never shows up. Anyway, I found the book. Okay. Real quick, real quick. So book plug, unsolicited bug plug. Thank you random mailing accident. For this. It's called allegedly accident. legit the mailing accident, or hyper confusing marketing plan. Either way. It worked. It's called the 99%. Invisible city. Right. And that's what the that's what the coin had on it. And that's why we're like, one way. So it's the under Title here is the Field Guide to the hidden world of everyday design. So it's got all these little sections about like, how stuff is, like things that you don't really recognize. But it's very urban, like city oriented like architectural city construction. neighborhoods, like stuff like that is really pretty cool. I learned by Roman Mars and Kurt. Kurt pollster it. Yeah, I think they do have a podcast. I think that's I listen to their podcasts all the time. I love it. Yeah. I think that's I think I said it was they have a podcast and they made this they printed this book. Right. It's really cool. So like, you guys out there like books, I guess? A little late for Christmas. But you know, some other holiday. Other bachelor coins? Yeah. It's Robin Mars. And Curt, cold, cold. I don't know how to present a whole step. whole step.
1:22:51
whole step. Yeah.
Collin 1:22:55
So yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, the coin thing just said that 99% invisible city. We're like, What? How bizarre is that? So yeah, fellow podcasters and authors. It looks pretty cool. And of course, as you can imagine the design of the books excellent. And a whole book about design.
1:23:21
They definitely
Collin 1:23:23
didn't skip there. That's really cool. Got lots of pictures and little insects and cool art things in there. So that's really pretty cool. So yeah, the accidental book that we just like, well, we have to buy now because we have to know what this is about.
1:23:46
That's cool. Yeah.
Collin 1:23:51
Sorry, I interrupted your story there but cool.
1:23:58
Okay. Well,
Collin 1:24:02
book recommendations. Go. Go. Or you can read some Rene Descartes, you know, whichever you're in the mood for this holiday season. Don't read over. Always read Rene Descartes. There are more accessible philosophers. I will do that. But You make it sound like this. Like the Gulf is not huge between those two categories. It's a bit it's a bit wide. Okay, fine. I'll be really, really hot here. They go together because they're both important in the cyberpunk universe. Look at that. And rounded us out. There you go. Yeah. Design and philosophy,
1:25:04
deployment. Hey, listeners,
Collin 1:25:22
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