overwhelmed and confused
Have you ever wondered what the next Muppet movie should be? You’ve found your podcast. After we get updates about Land Cruisers, guitars, and being busy, we dive into the question of what makes a good Muppet movie.
Land Cruiser lifestyle
Rusty guitar playing
Overwhelmed and confused
Practicing vs rehearsing
Aaron is busy
Cast the Muppets in the retelling of a classic book.
Huck Finn
Don Quixote
Clash of the Titans
Three Muskateers
The Odyssey
Robin Hood
Gulliver’s Travels
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SUMMARY KEYWORDS
muppets, musketeers, movie, huck finn, people, true, gonzo, robin hood, don quixote, treasure island, practice, good, thought, muppet treasure island, adventure, muppet, land cruiser, kermit, play, odyssey
SPEAKERS
Collin, Aaron, Brandon
Collin 00:05
Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast of three brothers. Trying to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon, Holland and Aaron. On this week's show, overwhelmed and confused.
00:29
Hola.
Collin 00:32
Hello. Closing windows. Ciao. So many what how many tabs you have open? Well, I had three open tabs. I mean
Brandon 00:45
I had well I have my email open because you emailed me. I had the URL zoom launcher webpage open. Cuz, you know, and then I had YouTube open because I was listening to random music. I was waiting. So though.
Collin 01:00
Oh, sorry. I don't have I don't have good weightless music for you. I'm so sorry. That's great. That's alright. might be better next time.
Brandon 01:10
No problem. I just was messing around doing stuff why waiting for you? So I just got done eating. So I just popped in here. I was like, turn on plug in things go. Yeah. Pow. Aaron. Okay. Here's the power to the Wow. I was really worried about that segue. Like speaking of power. Either. Things are getting bad in your neck of the woods or just some sort of weird Mario reference. Right? Like, Donkey Kong reference that I'm not ready for? No, not quite. Not quite. Yeah, yeah. Now that would have been that would have been interesting segue. If, like if the Jeep had just completely blown up on the highway, that would have been a good segue. So it's still together in one piece all together. Hasn't like explode. Okay, well, that's good. Not exploded. jeeps are good. Yes. This is my motto. Really? That's what I live by. Good motto. Handy one. It's just weird to me that I guess. It's just one of those. sign of the times things right like that Jeep is making an instrument that is like so incredibly delicate. That like one thing going wrong, makes it explode all over the place and being a mechanic shop for months and months. When I have definitely seen a person drive a Jeep just over a tree, like just not like an older Jeep. Just like right over it just like blap right across. Didn't even stop slow down. Nothing is fine. Tree okay. Yeah. Right. No, this wasn't even like a this was not like some kind of like weird. Like weekend Rock Crawler thing. It was just like, his jeep. drove around everywhere. Just like drove it over a tree. Blam. Right, like blew the tree right down was a joke.
03:41
It boggles the mind.
Brandon 03:43
So that's how that's an interesting like, we've come a long way Jeep, like, behind ourselves, everyone. Everyone's surprised. Yes. Yeah. So Me too. But no, the listeners are probably bored of listening to me mon on and on about like utilitarianism right. But like, come on. Well, you know, that's what it was. Oh, my gosh, I was on. I was on Facebook marketplace. That's my favorite places to be these days. Not a night because that's where Toyota Land Cruisers are in 1984 total Land Cruiser truck faith that they imported from where did the important thing it's the diesel. So you know, it's amazing. Oh, dear. Yeah. Yeah, no, that means I literally can't destroy this thing. It was I mean, it has just like, how much torque does it have? Yes. Yeah. sufficient. It was one of the it's one of the rare ones. This is this is way into Land Cruiser territory here. But the most the highest desirability ones come from places like Costa Rica and South America. Because there's issues there. They like body rust and these kind of things. So for whatever reason, he didn't say, What are you talking about? They are actually there. They actually drive them around through a jungle all day like, yeah. Oh, no, it's fine. field tested. But this thing is
05:20
feel broken.
Brandon 05:23
It only has it's 94 it only has 133,000 miles on it mail transmission. Oh, it's fine. It was made. I know those are jungle miles though. So there's at least triple but it's one of those where it you know, it goes like 48 miles an hour. And there it comes standard with no heat or no AC. It just is an am truck. I mean, you don't need a heater in Costa Rica. No, I mean, I understand. There's mountains Costa Rican listeners, you can tell me. I want to know your average low temperature. But I know there are mountains in Costa Rica. So if you get up in mountains obviously changes the game but lots of other places in Costa Rica. I'm not aware that they need just tons of heat. Right. So and here's the killer. I mean, here's the thing of like, you know, you find these things. It's for 1984 has 133,000 Jungle miles on it. from Costa Rica. It is. It's a price on this bad boy. $20,000 for a left hand drive diesel. Wow. I should add, it's the HD 40. So I mean, obviously. So it's just it's just goodness gracious gyms out there. Oh, baby. Oh, so cool. So cool. Anyway, I'm scrolling through the pictures right now. So give me a moment. I'm gonna be distracted. I don't know what would be a more interesting conversation, the conversation with your wife, or the conversation with your loan officer about why this is a great idea to buy this, right. Cuz I imagine the bank person's like, Dude, seriously? Why? Like, can you loan me $25,000 for that? No. Yeah, well, not. Sorry. You want to do what? Like? Yeah, we are not signing off on that. with me on this one. No, that guy's got they gotta be like, never seen this money again. Just Yeah, go into parts. And it's such such as the Land Cruiser cruiser lifestyle. I guess. You know, it's just so so hard to be sure. Nobody. Nobody understands what it means to be a true cruiser head. Oh, dear, that was a call themselves. That's what they did now. Now they're calling themselves they're three clubs have just formed right. cruiser head. You're right, they're gonna have sweet flags to hang off the back. Right? Like, like the old boy scout like patrol flags. Right? Like, you know how we have this? Like, get some. Yeah, patches and some. Yes. stickers. Gotta have stickers for the back window. Spare covers. Oh, yeah. Go look at all about this. Just know that that's where we're headed. Right. Check your local area for the cruiser hand club near you. Join today to do a swap once a month on Saturday. Parts right. Gather on Fridays. And Saturdays? Indeed. So that's a that's all the news I bring to the world. Broken Land Cruiser wish lists, jungle jungle Land Cruisers. Jungle Land Cruiser wish lists. There you go. Yeah, I don't really have anything either. Because again, I'm not working. It's been like, ah, next Monday.
09:41
Yeah,
Brandon 09:43
it's the fourth but instead I forgot what day it was. I have a I've existed in the school environment for so long. That when It's not in session. Like I have this problem this summer to, like, there's oftentimes I literally have no idea what day it is. Like. Nothing, none. Because that's my days are regulated by like what's happening at school? Sure. Right. So when there's no school for a while, I'm like, What did I watch on TV today? Sometimes that can tell me why.
10:23
The programming?
Collin 10:26
Yeah, that's a that's kind of it. So that's why I said that. Oh, yeah. Next Monday. Go back for semester two.
Brandon 10:42
Yes. So, see, I've been doing I've been playing guitar. last few days, it's basically learning anything new. I just doing some, like, I haven't played it. So I'm just doing some like, scale practice. You know, not not exciting things. scales and little exercises, and I gotta find something else to do to make it look better, but
Collin 11:13
we try to pack my car, which you're the only person I have to I have to ask this to which guitar.
Brandon 11:22
Oh, my electric one. Okay. my newest one. The electric guitar practice. Yeah, play with that. Doing some stuff, just kind of getting, you know, trying to do something constructive. about it, though. I got I got again, it's hard. Because you know, like, online, they're like, oh, make sure you practice. That's a vague term. Like, that's sort of the overwhelming part sometimes, like practice. What exactly like, well, you know that. That's a really good point, in that you can and this, oh, gosh, this goes into many things in life, too. There's a little like, it's like a little paralysis, right? Because you're like, Yeah, I don't. And there's like so many things. Right. And I'm not like a music scholar. Right? I know, just like enough about like, stuff. Yeah, to get overwhelmed or confused or that easily. So like, you know, there's all this stuff you can do. So there's like, scales, but which scales, major minor. All the other modes, right? Phrygian Mixolydian. triads, inverted triads, right, double inversion triads, like, what, what do you do it arpeggios, like, at, you know, the keys do you practice in? Well, practicing in the key of E, by the way, excuse curious, because, number one, several of the songs that I play with my friends are in the queue. He saw like, I need somewhere to start. So I was like, he sure this one. That one go there. But I think you know that the paralysis not not necessarily even paralysis of choice, because I don't know I get that whenever people are like, you know, what color do you want to paint the walls of your house? Or Oh, what color do you want your logo to be? You know, make a brief update on that. We know we've got it. Oh my gosh. Oh, no. Sorry, listeners. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to bring it up, though. So so it's funky Munch pet care. And our colors are muted. Because we wanted to convey professionalism Hill, we wanted to prove a guess that like the calming nature of secure Yeah, trust sound like bright orange, right, like so 80s like orange and green. And so when I when I made the when I made the logo, because sorry, Mike, you're amazing Mike. And I made the logo, I kind of made the cat and dog just a little silly, right, one of the dogs wearing a top hat and has some glasses on and the cat has a hat perfect, right? So they're a little little silly. But we had they were doing these like free reviews of your brand and your social media accounts by these by this person. So we were like, sure we'll throw ours out there. And she was like, everything else looks fine, but I want to talk to you about branding and I was like oh no, please don't please don't please don't please. Yeah, I was like this has been a great source of consternation for me for many months. It's like my marriage barely survived.
14:39
Don't bring this up. And she said with a name like funky bunch. I expected to click on the link and see like,
Brandon 14:47
like, tie dye and these kind of true and to see all these things and and I was like they are because I mean purple and green. burles right? These bright like a deli, bro funky colors. The problem is the problem is if you look at me and Megan and how we run our business we're not funky in that aspect right? I'm not so what you're telling me is you got Megan some bell bottoms for Christmas. So I got a pic I can see her wearing a little, like peasant dress things Roxy here rockin net. I believe, like a big flowy white shirt with like long sleeves. I don't think so. Yeah. headband. Megan, I think it's time for a style and date. Maybe good. Right? angle earrings. No, no. Because Anyway, you can have a vest. So that that just brought up all these, like, all these thoughts that we had had? Because she and I had thought about that of like, does this name fit the brand and fit everything that we're trying to do? And ultimately, we decided to stick with the name but not do funky colors. Because it's not that's not us. Right? And, and I don't like I want, I want people to get that. Like, we're fun. But I don't want them to not think we're you know, not professional or something like that. So anyway, cuz I didn't think you know, I show up to do dog walking and I'm wearing a tie dye shirt. I don't know. Yes. Speak to me. Perfect. Yeah, now they'll love it to be like, sad, dude. Some brown glasses. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, that's where we have found ourselves with a logo. But looping back to paralysis by choice with what you're talking about. And it's even more, it's even deeper than that. Because when you're practicing, you're like, you're intentionally sitting down to try and prepare yourself for something in the future. Right, so that you have better skill. Yeah. And so you almost have, you really have to have, like, a clear trajectory in mind, I guess, in some instances, because, you know, you can sit down, just kind of mess around on it and to keep your fingers limber, and two things to recall. But if you're if you're actually, yeah, you're not doing anything, you're not progressing, right? Like, right, right. And like remembering the song like, yeah, you're practicing. And you're learning, which is really different than, like rehearsing. Because when you're rehearsing, you have everything lined out, and you're just, you're just getting in that, you know, that mode, and you're, you're really ironing things out. But if you're practicing your shot, you have to get to that that's the first step. And so when you sit down, and practice, it's like, Yeah, what am I perfect? What am I practicing for me? What's the end goal here? Yeah, and it's really hard to do that when your goals are, like, vague of like, not don't suck as much, right. So like, you know, but it's also like, there's, like I said earlier, there's so many different things that like, I'm only vaguely aware of, like, you know, it's one of those situations where, like, I know enough music theory to be dangerous about it, but like, not really an expert, you know? So it's kind of like, well, you kind of practice a couple of these things. But then then what, like, what else do you do? Sure. Like, I don't really know, it's kind of hard to figure out like, the plan, right? Like, well do some of this. Do some of this. And then what like, what else do you do? Well, I think for me, one of the things is like, Okay, is there anything I could practice that could detrimentally impact what I'm trying to actually accomplish? Right? Is there Can I be practicing the wrong thing? in life in general, yeah, but in other things, so that I'm not enough way out in left field, and I thought I was doing the right thing, but it just didn't work out. True. So I nobody practices the major pentatonic scale. Literally, no one uses that. So like, you know. Yeah, you know, and he's, and he's the minor one. Because all I believe everybody uses the minor pentatonic scale. Even when they're playing in the major key, or you still play, which is the other part. It's confusing, like, why do I do that? Okay, like, that's some of the music theory rules that I'm like, unsure about, like, Is it okay, is it technically okay to do this? Right, like, Is this too loud? Like I didn't sound like a bleach If I do that, like I'm not real sure. like yeah, it's it's, they can't be overwhelming and just weird, right? Like, Well, no. So I started there. We'll do that for a while and, and see how it goes. But just to run over some stuff and like just have something to practice. You know? Because again, I haven't actually played with anybody in a long time for reasons obvious reasons, right? So like, right. Do something know when to get out dusty. So brush it off. Just mess around with that a little bit this week. Cool. Brilliant. Man are things in Oklahoma with wind blows? Okay. And the way that
Aaron 21:00
I you know, works pick it back up. And so there's only three of us working for me this week. So everyone wanted to take you know, a week off or vacation that left us a lot short man. And so. Just a little crazy. We're getting some Shelby's friends coming up from Alabama. Tomorrow. And so we're going to have new year's festivities coming up.
21:30
And
Aaron 21:32
that's really about it. And so, yeah. Not really a whole lot else going on. The besides that? Yeah, that's that's kind of been all the stuff on our end. Yeah, nothing, nothing really exciting new. Works, that works just crazy. And haven't haven't had time to do anything. Outside of work besides now.
Collin 22:15
You
Aaron 22:18
know, get get some stuff ready for, you know, post Christmas activities and just just get some time spent with some some good friends coming up. But yeah,
Brandon 22:29
that's really bad. Not bad. Well, then I believe I have a question. Oh, okay. Since Well, here's here's something for us to ponder then since since none of us have anything going on. Okay. And normally we talk about all the things we have going on. I have a question for you. So I would like to know. Well, let me start here. I thought of this question. Again. I had some back of my mind for a long time, but I had never had the place to bring it up until I was partaking with one of our favorite Christmas traditions with Susan. And that is of course, watching the Muppet Christmas Carol. Now, if you've never seen this, it is the retelling of Charles Dickens A Christmas Carol with the Muppets. Right? The beloved Jim Henson production? Yes. Ah, now, the problem is ever since Disney bought the Muppets in 2004. They've just sort of like remade the Muppet Movie. Like, again, and again, and another one. So like they are creatively bank bankrupt, they don't really know what to do with another property, because they're not really like geniuses like Jim Henson, obviously. And so my question is, the moments have done to retellings of a classic literature. One, of course, the Christmas Carol, and other one was Treasure Island. So I think we need to decide what the next one should be. What would be the best classic piece of classic literature to be recreated that with Muppets I want to know your thoughts I wonder your thoughts on this question? Because I know the Muppets are near and dear to all of our hearts. Oh, yeah, right. That's what I think about that today. And I didn't get very far because I was like, oh, now there's so many. Okay. So initial,
Aaron 25:23
like you said, Of what? Yeah,
Brandon 25:26
I think I think that would be. Yeah. I think that so because, like that, it's nice to be somewhat familiar enough with the audience to get it. You know, but then, like, also with like, the parents, obviously. And then the kind of introduces the kids to that story, that classic story, which is again, that's what Treasure Island did. And Christmas, Carol did that. I mean, everybody knows Christmas, Carol, but little kids didn't. And then they watch them up. It's like, Oh, this story is great.
25:56
I made a really good job. Again, Jim Henson genius. So yeah,
Brandon 26:02
I was just wondering what your thoughts on this were? Because I think it would be fun to like, Dream cast, the Muppet adventure movie. Okay, so I have thought your initial thoughts? Well, for me, I don't know. I'm trying to think about maybe like, why why the Muppets worked so well, in the retelling of the Christmas Carol and Treasure Island. What was it? What was it about them that made them fit those those? Well, and I think part of it is the familiarity. Yes. Right. Yeah. It's Yes. Because they are really common, or they're, they're well known. And so you do yeah. You can't pick an obscure. You can't pick an obscure one. You know, if you think so. Scarlet Pimpernel is out. Got out.
27:00
Yeah,
Collin 27:00
you know, and, and so you know, I you know, I don't know if you want to maybe they could do a maybe to do Animal Farm. They could make a redo.
Brandon 27:14
What? Sounds a little too heavy. Okay. Okay. Oh, too dark. So I actually have two, two that come to mind. Immediately. One is actually staying with Charles Dickens Oliver Twist. Oh, good. Be hauling. And then the other one that I'll throw out there for your consideration is Huckleberry Finn. Snap. have a pretty good, huh? Now my only reservation with Huck Finn. I like that idea. Because it's very like adventuresome. Right. But that gets a little like heavy in there too. But I think they could. I mean, so does A Christmas Carol though, right? There's some heavy stuff there. So they can really do a good job of like, making it accessible. You mean, making those heavy themes and Huck Finn accessible? And then again, if Huck Finn is too heavy, you can always do like Tom Sawyer. Right. It's a little more lighthearted. But that's a good one. So Mark Twain. I like it. Yeah. I'm also trying to think of Ooh, like, I don't know, maybe we can get into maybe we'll pick a book and then we'll do the casting of it later. But yeah, yeah. Right. Because I'm trying to remember. Who was it was a Gonzo, that played a quasi like Don Quixote character already. And now, I was thinking that too, because I, I had also thought Don Quixote would be perfect for guns. Oh, right. Because I can see that. I don't know. It's, I'm not sure exactly. But I don't think they've done the story of Don Quixote, but I think that would be a good one, as long as Don Quixote was played by Gonzo, because it almost just has to be like, Yeah, I know who else would play Don Quixote? I think that would be fun. Because that's like a fun like meandering, like, adventure kind of story. You know, it's like very interested. Same thing with Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn. Right? Those are very, like adventurism. And I think that would be a really good vehicle for the Muppets to like to do. I'm not super familiar with a lot of the details of Don Quixote anymore, because I haven't met like, read that in like a million years, but I definitely feel Gonzo as Don Quixote would be just beautiful. It's kind of you know, he kind of goes a little he loses his mind after reading so many books, right. And then he decides that he That's what he is he is a knight and he recruits Santo to go along with him and goes with just these adventures so you could see how very easily like whether it's it struck to to the book or not right he could just do adventures as donkey. Oh, yeah, we could like draw inspiration from those although the thing I think that made Treasure Island and specifically Christmas carols so good is they stuck very close to the book. Right like that's true. But I think you could say simply cuz Don Quixote does do like a lot. So you could pick like some of the highlights and that book is a really long we're not trying to do an exhaustive cover. Three and a half hour presentation, there's Don Quixote featuring. Don't do it. those are those are mine right now. What did I like it? I said Oliver Twist. Huck Finn. Yeah. I like it. I don't know. I'll do some more thinking here. Because I think Aaron, me thinking
Aaron 31:08
well, for some reason, the first thing that popped in my mind when he said, you know, classic literature, my mind kind of reverted back to all of the old those those random books that we had to read, when like, we're in middle school. And so for some reason, my first thought was like, The Great Gatsby.
Brandon 31:34
See,
31:37
and so Josh had to get a hold on the reins, reins a little bit. But you said
Aaron 31:48
kind of that Christmas theme and and for some other reason, I my brains not fully, fully focused on coming up with ideas, because I'm trying to think of films or books that have been I don't say like, remade a bunch of times, but are very like, that respects because the the standalone films that came out not that long ago, from from it from the Muppets, like there's one, like, two or three years ago that came out, and I was like, oh, and then there's another one that came out like 2000. Yeah.
Brandon 32:23
But they're not very memorable, right? Because it's just again, it's just kind of like and so the Muppet Movie, version seven. Right. So like,
32:34
yeah, it's good, because, I
Brandon 32:35
mean, they have the big ensemble casts. So like, you know, that's what they do. But again, I think we can be more creative with the idea here. Why I wanted to answer though,
Aaron 32:48
is I the only other thing that popped into my mind just Oh, so briefly, was like a watered down version of the Christmas. And having Gonzo, you know, running through the, you know, crawling through the air vents just seems like really appealing to me. But as far as like literature goes, I'm trying to think of a random thing on top of my head, that like makes sense and that people like, like, understand of all ages, and you know, people that are older kind of have that. nostalgic, like, Oh, yes, I remember this. Um,
Collin 33:34
oh, Jeepers, I'm trying to
Aaron 33:37
I can't even think of one that was just like, Oh, yeah, no, that's what this is. And just because there's just,
Brandon 33:45
there's a lot of weight. And the other problem is you need sort of a big cast. Right? Like a lot of them I could think about earlier were like, wow, you need like four people for that. And there's 6000 Muppets so you need I think it's I got it. I got it. Moby Dick. Now I thought about that. You could do Moby Dick, I suppose. A little heavy. Again. Today, like car is gonna go through. Look, here's here's what the classics are. It's like a dystopian future. It is true people recovering from like wars where these things were written. Or these like these really deep, sinister allegorical tales of psychological unraveling through, you know, whatever. Like true. Like, what do you want to do Heart of Darkness. I was trying to think of something. Yeah, I was trying to think of something like very adventury.
34:46
Yeah, right.
Brandon 34:47
But the problem is, I got a little stuck. Oh,
34:50
I got one. I got one.
Brandon 34:52
I got one. The Jungle Book. See, maybe. But again, they're already all animals. And I don't know how like
35:00
That's, that's what that's what's perfect about it. You just recreate those same characters just with my business plan
Brandon 35:05
instead. Yes. Well, I mean, my mind went to something like Jules Verne. He like around the world in 80 days. Right? They're very, like, adventure, you know, go off and there's, there's a whole bunch of people. You know, Crusoe somebody. Yeah. Well Robinson Crusoe there's one or two. Yeah, people, you know, it's Friday to Friday, right. My first entry Actually, my first official entry. The Three Musketeers. That was okay. That's I was Yeah, I was gonna. Yeah, so when I was thinking about Don Quixote that was my that was my follow up to that. One was that three musketeers would actually be a really good because you talk about large cast? Yeah, you've got Yeah, there's like a million people in that storm
36:00
coming and going in all sorts of entry in whatever. Yeah, you could. I could definitely see how you could make that.
Brandon 36:06
Yeah. And there's there's a lot of room in that movie for like, like a live action, like actors. Also, like the evil count guy, or whatever could be an actor. Right? Because I think the thing that makes them up at movies really good. And again, why the number one thing that makes Christmas Carol and Muppet Treasure Island, beautiful. Number one, a lot of A Christmas Carol has. Michael Caine is in that movie. Right, sir? Michael Caine is Ebenezer Scrooge. All right, just stop. Yeah, full stop. Like, that movie is already. Brilliant. All right. And Muppet Treasure Island, long john silver is played by Tim Curry, for crying out loud. Okay. So if you have somebody like that, and you really, it's just gonna really help bolster everybody, because it's gonna be so good because those people are so good at acting. So something like three musketeers, I think there's a lot of room for other actors to come in. As well as you have the, the three I mean, four really musketeers because you start painting, but like, now it's fine. But like, I think that would be really, I think that would be a good one. I like that one. Yeah, I think of what we've said so far. I like that one the best unless you want to go like, go way back and try and have like, the Iliad. That'd be kind of I think a muppet Odyssey actually might be kind of sweet. Right? Like,
37:54
I was, I was thinking about, like,
Brandon 37:58
Kermit as Odysseus. Right. Like, have like,
Aaron 38:02
what is the clash with the tight? Yeah,
Collin 38:03
right. Like,
38:05
I think something like that would be like,
Brandon 38:07
I think, I think I don't know about the Iliad, but I think the Odyssey would be a better Muppet Movie. Yeah. Because they do all the stuff. There's the Cyclops and the thing and the traveling and the boat and all the crew, right? Like, like a million people, you know, do pretty good. My other suggestion, because I went with like swashbuckle Lee, right? What about Muppet Robin Hood? Ah, yeah, yeah.
38:39
Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon 38:41
I can do more if you want to go like real crazy. You could do Ivanhoe. Just saying that. That might be Robin Hood's in that one. But like, I think I think maybe Robin Hood might be a little safer bet. But like Robin Hood can be really fun because you have all the married men. Right? You have made Marian so you could have the frog Miss Piggy thing going on? Right? Because you obviously think Prince john could be some sort of actor to get a really good Prince john. You know? That would be good too. Okay, so what do we what do we have so far we've had I throughout UK fan. Yeah. What have I said what words you said Huck Finn and Don Quixote and Aaron throughout here to stay. And that or
39:54
there's another thing that kind of pops in my head. I don't know why but The angels in the outfield?
Brandon 40:08
No, because that movie is perfect already, and we don't need to change it. We're like we need a Muppets retelling of a classic literature, like diehard angels in the outfield. Okay, hey Brandon, you said you have said? Well, I said either The Three Musketeers or Robin. Like, like those. So, Huck Finn, Don Quixote clash, the Titans, the Musketeers, the Odyssey, Robin Hood. Where are we thinking? I'm thinking on this? I don't know. I'm not trying to be the best one. Because you need like a lot of people. Right? Yeah. possibly some singing. I don't know. If the Odyssey has room for lots of song, right?
41:15
Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon 41:22
It's hard. Really like a Tom Sawyer Huck Finn idea. Yeah. That could be good, too. Or you also said Oliver Twist. I didn't but but that that one also touches on some, you know, some hard ties to like child labor. And I think the fact that it's already set in Dickensian London is like, we did already have that much. So like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Every 30 seconds, Gulliver's Travels. Oh, you? Yeah. Yeah. Because that is very raffles. Very adventury. multiple locations. Yeah. And it's a very big, big story. Literally, at one point, if
Aaron 42:27
I recall, yes. Journey to the Center of the Earth
Brandon 42:32
pretty big to, um, I don't remember. Like how many other people there's like a small group that goes on the huge, great adventure. But I don't know about how many other people they encounter. Because I was thinking about that. One with other Jules Verne ones. But the problem with Jules Verne is it's like a very small group, usually. Right? Like, even 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. It's like a dude and Captain Nemo. Okay, well,
Aaron 43:04
that could be the fun part of it of just adding random characters. That's
Collin 43:08
true. That is a good point. Like how to broaden the scope.
Aaron 43:12
Right? Yeah, cuz that's what that's what Treasure Island did is like, yeah, there's a lot of characters like in the book, but none of them were really, truly brought to life until you know. Now, Baba treasure like,
43:26
Can you not
Brandon 43:26
remember? Yeah. That sounds like that. So that is a good point. That is a good point. Because like, Yeah, but I mean, you. Well, I mean, that's why something like yeah, I guess like 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, you would have like, the whole Nautilus crew. Right? To fill. Whereas I'm pretty sure God descended Earth is like two dudes in a cave most of the time, so.
Aaron 44:01
Well, I think, what's what's the, you know, it's been like 2000 leagues. You know, the the movie league. I think just I think just having something like, that random amount of casting would be quite interesting. Because like, that, just, you know,
Collin 44:22
I liked the movie so weird for him. I
Aaron 44:27
don't, but I think it's still would hold up enough to add, you know, as goofy and silly as that movie is. Add that with them. I actually appeal of the Muppets. True. But I Oh,
Brandon 44:44
yeah. I only question about like, a lot of people in that. That story. I don't think anybody has any idea who they are. Right? Like, can you be like, oh man, Alan quartermaine. What the heck is that? Yeah, I mean, like so that one. That is a very interesting movie. We talked about that another time, maybe cuz that would be so weird, but like, I think it needs to be more familiar. To be a good movie.
Aaron 45:26
I just think you like the randomness, because what you you don't expect exactly, you know, Muppets and pleasure island to be a thing until it is.
Brandon 45:37
But I think Treasure Island is so like, adventury it's like a very adventury movie that it really just kind of fits, right, you can add a lot of stuff in there and make it silly and fun, you know? And then kind of go on and on the whole thing. I think that's why it works so well. And then, I think, again, it's very, like, you know, I guess the only word that's really coming to mind is like swashbuckling, right? Like, it's kind of what it is. And that the CounterPoint is what makes the Christmas carols so good. This is just such a sincere delivery from like, the Muppets, right? You know, I was expecting like, sincere, like, heartfelt when you think about Muppets, because you think about like, Oh, it's a zany adventures, right? But that movie, so like,
46:20
I yeah.
Brandon 46:22
I'm gonna punch you in the fields now. Bam. So like, they do have that ability to counterpoint it in that way. So, yeah, trying to combine those into tooth, you know, which is why like, like a Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn would be good, because that has both of those. You know what I mean? Like, some of the three musketeers stuff, it's also in there a little bit. But then you can have like, guns and sword fighting, which would be hilarious. So that'd be great. I think. Well, I think I think I'd like that putting them in roles that are very, very physical and have them interacting with the world around them a lot, is what's going to be really good. So yeah, cuz you can have the world right? Yes. Because you can like the world of Christmas Carol is just populated with like a billion Muppets and people everywhere. It's very fulfilling. And then like, in even in Treasure Island, like, they're on the ship a lot. And so that ship is very just full of stuff. Right. So that's, you get that kind of fullness from the area and the setting too. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess it's up. I guess. It's how you, you know, I feel like we've got a really big list right now. Huck Finn, donkey, Titans, three musketeers, the Odyssey, Robin, Robin Hood, and Gulliver's Travels. Yeah, so I think we need to make a decision on this and just see and so we can move into casting? I think so. So, okay, so out of that list. Let's pretend were Disney executives. Right. And you have been greenlit several Muppet movies. Which one do you start with? What's gonna be the first one out the gate to draw people in? Be like, Oh, this is a thing. Right? Because I really think like the Odyssey would be a good Muppet Movie. I don't know if it's stuff first. Movie.
Aaron 48:30
Well, it's kind of like, you know, what's kind of popular right now? Like, what is?
Brandon 48:35
What is I mean, everyone's trapped in a house for like a whole year. So like adventure movies are gonna be when I look at this list, and God, clash of Titans, musketeers Odyssey, Robin Hood, Gulliver's Travels, the one that really pops out to me is three musketeers from that list? Because it's, the name is immediately recognizable. You kind of know what you're getting what to expect. from it.
49:05
Like I don't
Brandon 49:06
Yeah, I know if I saw a clash of Titans poster from for the Muppets. I think it would be really confused. That's true. And then if I think of the Odyssey and Don Quixote, I would be worried about what on earth you're going to do with those bite because they are meandering so large, I think there's a lot of room to get lost. Lost in that. So the focus of those Adventures of the story, I think it's a lot tighter, easier to tell, especially given the pattern of Christmas carol on Treasure Island of sticking really close to the story. The original tactical point, I think, Huck Finn, Three Musketeers. I mean Robin Hood are much easier to tell. It's very concise. Yeah, it is. It is concise. Yes. And again, let's pretend you've been given like five movies. So you think you could make some of the other ones later. But the first one out the gate because the first one's got to do good. Right? Otherwise, the rest of them are gonna get made out of those three. Yeah, I mean, like, you know, some people are just like, it's Disney. Sometimes I make enough anyway, who cares? We have billions of dollars, whatever. Well, no one watched it. Who cares? So there's he said three musketeers Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn, and I said three musketeers, Robin, Robin Hood. The other ones again, I think our gang would be really fun clash of Titans, the Odyssey and Gulliver's Travels. I just think that they're way too big, too long. I need some more shopping and maybe a little bit too obscure for most people. That's true. Especially in Clash of the Titans. Yeah, I'm gonna add Don Quixote in there too. I mean, just because, yeah. Don Quixote clash of Titans Odyssey and Gulliver's Travels, are Yeah, those are those are. Yeah, those are doesn't need some development. Yeah. Three Musketeers Hackman and Robin Hood, I think are definitely they have a shortlist. shortlist? Yeah. Okay. Now the hard part. The hard part. The hard part. It's true. Oh, and I guess I don't know when you look when you think of those. Like movie poster wise and marketing wise, what do you think would be the easiest one to to get across to people? Honestly, I think it's probably Robin Hood. But the movie I want to see the most is The Three Musketeers. Why, why? Why does Robin Hood feel like it's the easiest one to get across? Yeah. Because it's the most accessible story out of all of them. Sure. Right. It's the most accessible one. It's like people kind of know. What's up. People know. The story of Robin Hood, the only trepidation I have with making that the first one is there's like a billion Robin Hood's. Right. And I don't know if people want another one. You know, I mean, yeah. Yeah, that's true. Especially since the last movie studio, Robert had movie was like a complete garbage fire of nonsense. Like, yeah, I tried to watch that movie and was like, What the heck is happening? What is this? Yeah, you wouldn't want that to be what comes out? Yeah, see that the being definitely taking into consideration. So, you know, then you left with Huck Finn and three musketeers, two very different kinds of stories to be told. So, one being a pretty grand adventure. The other one, I mean, still being a grand adventure, but the world? I don't know. I feel like I feel like Huck Finn feels much smaller. And does versus not so like, life and death by grand scheming, wise. was true that he could say you could argue that the Huck Finn is more a journey of it's just Huck's journey, right? It's like, to desert it's a journey of self. Whereas The Three Musketeers is part of that is darwinians journey, but like the rest of its like the whole groups striving to change and make things better. Right. It's very uplifting. Yeah. I think the Muppets could lean into the uplifting part of that story. Yeah, yeah. Because there is a you know, Huck Finn is kind of just an adventure. Three Musketeers has a culmination right at the end. Yeah. Yeah. Huck Finn has a lot of internal struggle. Yeah. Right. He deals with a lot of that a lot of Huck's demons are inside, right, like three musketeers has a bad guy, right? You're like, hey, look, that's a bad guy. So like, I feel like Yeah. For that reason, it makes me conceptually. Yes. So I think Muppets Three Musketeers. Are we all in agreement? i plus that movie poster would be so good. Thinking I it may just be because I have such fond memories for treasure island that I want to see them, you know, swashbuckling again. True.
Aaron 54:53
No, I think Yeah, I definitely remember the Oh, what is it called? Like the the promos, the previews on like on TV, like your favorite moments are back. Like I definitely remember seeing those for Muppet Treasure Island, and just being like, really excited. So I think something like that. So we missed a lot in the salad. Yeah. And I think it'd be pretty cool. I think it'd be very interesting to see.
Collin 55:23
Okay, there we go.
55:26
Now
Brandon 55:30
cast of characters. Yeah, here's the question. The big question is I don't remember. Is there some? The question that I have that they're trying to remember is there's always the easy like, you have to have Kermit the Frog Miss Piggy pairing. Like a lock in a movie. So, so is there a love interest of one of the characters and I don't remember. Oh, well, whether that's true, they fabricated they stuck it in there. I made him like Ben Gunn. They made it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, they just made it up. That's the good point. All right. Nevermind. Okay. Sounds like it's Oh, my God, Aaron. Aaron saves the day again. Thanks. So, follow up question. Okay. Pretty musketeers? Athos porthos. Artemis. Okay. Plus Darwinian. Do you make all of them Muppets or do you make D'Artagnan, also, an actor Jordanian is an actor. And I think I think an easy one would be Kermit, Fozzie, Gonzo. As Three Musketeers. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Obviously. Put them in those roles are sure to have against almost necessary, really, right. Like, yeah, we're good. I'm not familiar enough with s3 at this moment to like, determine which one should be which. But I think I think that the actual Three Musketeers probably should be Kermit, Fozzie, Gonzo, Yes, we can. Absolutely. Just, you know, but like, well, so Okay, so I had to pull up the plot summary. And because I'm doing right now, there is I do remember this. Lady dewinter. Is there is some interest between her and arkanian. So, but they don't, you know, they don't like each other later, because she go somewhere else. So like, you might be able to put a little intrigue there with Miss Piggy, but, you know, rewrite it to something actually happens. But that's I'm saying because I thought so. And so that would be like, is Kermit Darwinian? Or is karma? Just one of those musketeers? That would be the question. Oh, great. But you could just have it.
58:23
Yeah,
Brandon 58:23
but if you did that, you could also have like a counterpoint story where like, maybe their relationship doesn't work out. But then Kermit falls in love with them. Right? Something one of her, you know, somebody else in court or something like that. So that might work. Yeah, you could just write her into something. Right. Who plays the cardinal? The Cardinal? I think planchette the little servant guy. That's got to be Rizzo though, right? Yes. Yep. You have to do that. You could add him in there. Yeah, that was the cardinal. So that should probably be another actor to writing so that we could have titanium the cardinal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I got it. Ready for the wringer. Cardinal.
Collin 59:15
Gary Oldman.
59:22
I like it.
Brandon 59:28
Cuz he's so good. Right. If Gary Oldman is too serious, I have a follow up, Cardinal. Okay. I mean, I'm fine with him because you think of the other kind of caliber of actors that they had in the other two. So who knows? You're not so serious. Tom Hanks. Don't know. Too much. Yeah. Tom Hanks overload. Yeah.
59:58
Okay.
Brandon 59:59
All right. All right. Gary Oldman. It is Gary Oldman. I think Gary may be great. be so good. I like this. I like this a lot. Okay. The problem is, I don't really know of any young actors that could be Darwinian.
Collin 1:00:27
Aaron, you you're hit with it. Who's a young actor? Go
Aaron 1:00:38
got Tom Holland. He got to play spider man.
Brandon 1:00:42
Oh, oh, that cuz he's funny. He's funny. Yeah. He plays kind of those. Those characters is all coming together nicely. That's just the only one that's just the only one that
Aaron 1:00:57
came off the top of my head.
Brandon 1:01:00
Yeah, I don't really I can't like, I don't have any like new like,
1:01:05
bro
Brandon 1:01:09
You know, there's cuz I feel like 13 years got to be a younger guy. I feel like he was in you know, like 20s Yeah. Yeah, he's a he's a younger guy in the movies, I think. Yeah. So like, I'm not real sure. Like, who could be our real?
Collin 1:01:32
Like swashbuckle li like suave kinda adventure is guy like that. I don't really know.
Brandon 1:01:41
I'm looking at now these people on this list are jumping out at me. Or they're too tied to other things. I
1:01:47
don't want to like
Collin 1:01:49
you know, or they're just like, much older. don't really fit that
Brandon 1:01:57
mold there that makes it I don't know. I don't I don't dies. Because I'm not familiar with like, some of the new up and coming people. Like no, like john boyega. In there got. I mean, yeah, maybe Disney wants to cast him again. He got he ran his mouth a lot about Star Wars and they got a little grumpy with him saying this is true. But this is the perfect past that we're putting together. So yeah, I think I like the idea of Tom Holland. Just because of he's pretty young guy. He's young. And I think he would I think he could play off the Muppets pretty good. Right? Cuz like he's pretty animated. kind of got that. I got a pretty good sense of humor. But that could work. Like it be choppy here. Yeah. Thanks for pulling through with it.
Aaron 1:02:57
Because there's, you know, oh, him. And then that's honestly like the only kind of young person I can think of granted. I haven't seen like a movie in Well, almost a year, because I haven't
Collin 1:03:11
made movies in almost a year.
Aaron 1:03:14
I think something like that, you know, he's, you know, he's, excuse me, pretty well known. He's now active. Now, either him or like, you know, if you want to go like super overboard, but still be like popular. I mean, like, Dwayne The Rock Johnson.
Collin 1:03:31
I mean, he's always got a young
1:03:33
guy though. young guy, Trey. But like I
Brandon 1:03:37
was there 10 years like a young strapping guy, right. And he's, he meets up with the because he's pretty young. I feel like I always got the sense that he was young, younger. So like, even though I do love the rock. It's not exactly fitting that bill these days. Right.
1:03:58
Well,
Aaron 1:03:59
I think I think he's still he's still the popularity of him is still is still pretty big
Brandon 1:04:05
last year. But I don't know if he's ready for
Aaron 1:04:09
it. And plus, that's definitely like something extremely over the top for the Muppets, you know, to be like, Oh, yeah, you know, here's, you know, this young guy and then like some massive behemoth shows up. Yeah. That's just my thought of either going something that you know, makes sense and or something extremely over the top. Maybe we'll find a spot for him and one of the other ones right here. diehard The Muppet guy.
Collin 1:04:41
No,
1:04:43
no,
Brandon 1:04:46
I haven't forgotten that lady. dewinter. You was married to Athos. And they are and they got divorced. I don't know how exactly. You play that. Well, if you just make them still married. You And then maybe find detaining somebody else. Yeah. Then you could make Athens be Kermit. Yes. Right. There you go and then like you can have titanium like flirting or being in love with one of her like maids or something like one of her ladies of course or something like that. Right? He could fall in love with one of the the other ladies in the in the court there that could work. You can work around that a little bit make it more money. Yes. Well, he so he does fall in love with the queen, seamstress or tinian. So you could make that there we go. So that's fine. We'll just make lady to winter and and Kermit still married. And then you can have the lady be somebody else? Some actress person who I don't know. Could be good. Yes. Okay. So okay, so Athos is permit and I have descriptions for you. For those okay. Yeah. is fashionable of clothes, keen to make fortunes for himself? The least cerebral of the cortex comes with is numeric strength of body and character. The other one is Yeah, handsome young man who hesitates between his religious calling and his fondness for women and scheming. Well, obviously, that's Gonzo, and so women that we replace it with chickens, chickens, right? Obviously. So, so that's Gonzo, and then the other one is Fozzie Bear. He's a bear. He's big, strong, like rumba bear. But he's also like really kind and like, Oh, yeah. I think that's good. Yes. Oh my gosh, yeah. So So just like women in canoodling. It's just like chickens because it was like, Oh, wait, right. There we go.
1:07:01
This is easy.
Brandon 1:07:02
And then at court at the court in the Queen's court, or whatever you are, you obviously have the Swedish chef hanging out in there. Right doing cooking stuff. Right. fit him in there. And the band Collins's favorite band, The Muppet band there, they can be at court to Yeah, forgot their name. The electric mayhem sorry. Yep. Yep. Yes. Pulling everybody together. Oh. Wow. Like they can be there because they cuz I think there's lots of scenes that like the court like it because it's in French court, right. So there's lots of crazy stuff like that. They could be in they're gonna have a great scene. You just kind of rehash that scene with animal. Right? Trying to play French court music. Right? All like kind of gentle. And then just like raw, like they started playing something else weird. Amelie does it in every single movie? Oh,
1:08:13
there we go. I like this. Okay. Well, Disney, you're welcome. We appreciate that. You can send checks to the contact information that'll be listed in the show notes that you could
1:08:33
calm
Collin 1:08:38
look forward to working with you. And I'm partnering with you on writing this. Really good?
Brandon 1:08:42
Yes, you're gonna be great. Yeah, let us know. And we'll help you get this sorted out so that we can have a really now want to see the Muppets Three Musketeers. Wow. Cool. I'm looking forward to this coming out in 2025. Perfect. So good.
Collin 1:09:16
Sweet. Well,
1:09:18
that's a wrap.
Collin 1:09:18
That's a lot of work. Oh, that's more productive, man. So tired. Talk about value added to listeners. Wow.
Brandon 1:09:26
So we're doing a radio listeners. Let us know your movie of choice. Which one are you most excited to see?
Collin 1:09:36
Yeah, we'll do some follow up episodes on the second third, fourth. Perfect. Well, love you guys very much. And love to have fun walking dogs. Right? We're off to Yes. All the fun. Always take your flashlight Okay, anyway, fun stuff. So talk to you guys soon. Love you alrighty