Collin has fixed technical problems. Brandon is wishing you a Happy 3-11. Aaron is lost. We should have been in school. Brandon is also playing ‘Lost Judgement’. We take a DEEP dive into why Brandon plays music and what drives musicians to keep going. Collin has a question for our resident Eastern European Historian, Aaron… Why Russian want Ukraine?

Collin’s mobile set up is NOT good
311 day!!!
311…the band
Snow day and school planning
Brandon is playing “Lost Judgement”
What is band? How does work?
Brandon played with humans!!
Why do you play music?
It’s fun. Addicting sounds.
Sounds as painting
Chasing a sound
Playing in a group. Be good at listening
Why Russia want Ukraine?

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SPEAKERS

Collin, Aaron, Brandon

Collin 00:05

Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast of three brothers. Trying to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon Cullen and Aaron, on this week's show. What is band? recording in progress,

Brandon 00:21

okay. Oh boy. Hi, Lou.

Collin 00:25

Now you all are loud. Oh, no, you're welcome. Okay,

Brandon 00:31

I'm just always really loud. And so my kids tell me all the time. Why are you so loud? Because I have to be louder than you boom when

Collin 00:39

somebody has to be. Okay, I beat me to the very technical solution of turning it off and back on again.

00:49

Oh, hi. Yes. Did you

Brandon 00:50

plug in the plug and turn it and plug it back yet? I feel like that's the tried and true methodology.

Collin 00:58

Well, I realized I had um, yeah, so I had a I had a remote recording lead recently. And I had to take my setup with me to a new location. And I guess it was someone else. It's not did not make the transition well, so apparently. I need to get a better a much much better mobile recordings

Brandon 01:28

that have you know, please things are it's fine. Everything's fine. It's good. It's fine. It's fine. I just want to know if y'all are ready for a 311 that's all I really want to know today.

01:47

Oh my god.

Brandon 01:51

Ah, Happy March 11. Everybody Happy March 311. Day going.

Collin 01:58

Going down.

Brandon 02:00

I had that realization this afternoon and so I've been listening to 311 and Susan's like what is this and I was like it's the most 90 thing in the world you would hate it it's fine don't worry about it

Collin 02:14

Aaron I will say we have had this discussion on this show. Before it's great, I will send you in our I want to continue the exact episode but I will say to the only two 311 songs that anybody actually knows. Amber and down

Brandon 02:41

Ah, that's now people know. Lots of other ones come original.

Collin 02:47

Wanting to cover it though. Okay, great.

Brandon 02:49

Okay, people also know the name I can't remember the yeah down is the other one that when I was when it was marked six no one wanted no one shouted three six mafia but your last two flowing people in the flowing to they don't know what's called flowing but they wouldn't ever you play it. They're like Oh yeah, no. So they go

Collin 03:16

well, you have had a productive day then.

Brandon 03:17

Sounds like yeah, definitely playing video games. Making sure my online classes are going Oh, yes. For all the week we we totally should have been in school today. Everything's fine.

Collin 03:33

Okay, so it's not just me so no snow on the road. It's okay. It was weird. So did you guys get any snow or how much snow? Yeah, like you got snow an inch of snow

Brandon 03:48

we got so it I will say this morning from about five o'clock up until about like eight o'clock it was snowing like a good significant amount of snow but then like the moment nine o'clock it is like stop snowing. It was like really cold. Oh yeah, clearly Yeah.

04:12

Like the roads the highways were pretty atrocious this morning Shelley had had to go to work which I did have to

Brandon 04:20

she said like there was like, by wreck like on the way just to her work and she only has to travel about like 25 minutes and and so put that into perspective of how far I have to drive

Aaron 04:36

would have been absolutely horrible. So ends like yeah, by noon everything was pretty much nothing but it was still cold. But like cloudy but like the road was like clear. Like I didn't know what was going on.

Brandon 04:55

Yeah, it was kind of weird. I see how like maybe they could be like, Oh yeah, of getting kids on the bus would be bad days. But

Aaron 05:03

that was my thought because I would have 100% had to drive that bus and those backroads. And the last time it snowed, we're still snowy. Like, two weeks later. Yeah. That's one of those dirt road where I'm like, Ooh, yeah, by the code roads are passed. Yeah, I

Brandon 05:23

also feel like part of our decision is we have these like, AMIA things. Now, right? That we have, we have six that we get to use as like virtual days, that count as real life school days. And so we still have three left. And so I think you've just like, yeah, he's won. It's five gears. I think that's what happened. Yeah. Which, like, part of me is like, okay, fine, whatever. But also, part of me is like, I'm still behind now. Because like, Yeah, I'm not allowed to teach new things. I mean, obviously, that makes you know, that would be weird. Like, on these days, we're off. Like, I can't like teach things. So I'm still behind. So like, now I got to deal with having everybody turn all the junk in again. Which is fun. Yeah. Busy. Sixth graders and turning things in is like, nothing to happen. So like to be, yeah. So like, on the one hand, like, I don't care, we weren't in school, like, oh, no, I got to stay home all day and play Elden ring. Oh, well, so sad. But like, it's just kind of annoying, because I'm behind. And like, now I have to do a bunch of junk to get made up and everything. So I will say the last

Aaron 06:44

two times, three times I've wanted to have a test. It's not at all we've had to cancel because we haven't had electricity, or the Wi Fi and electricity went out. So the past three times. I was like, Alright guys, we're gonna have a test this day. due to inclement weather. We're closing. Just kidding. So all work good. ideas, like so. We done taking tests for the year like apparently know.

07:17

Little little better about it.

Brandon 07:18

Yeah. Yeah, we were Yeah, we were supposed to present today. We have some pretty excellent presentations trying to happen in science today, but no. Severe severe weather presentations. Ironically, some of them were snowstorms. So you know, it's fine. Learning. Yeah, it's really just first hand knowledge. Right? Just look out the window. Okay. There's my presentation. Thank you.

Collin 07:45

Thank you for attending.

Brandon 07:52

So, you know, extra work, but yeah, we're supposed to present today. So now it's one of the things like okay, why

07:58

can't present Monday? Because, I mean, maybe I could present Monday. Maybe, like,

Brandon 08:09

because Monday or Mondays or we have that late start thing. So our Mondays are like shorter time periods. So I think there's enough time. Probably. Like our class periods are shorter on Mondays, because we don't start till nine, right? Because we have like them every Monday like is like, PD meetings, right? So we talk about vertically aligning curriculum and all kinds of other. Actually, we don't talk about them. They keep messing up and like making some other junk. It's like, no, I need to talk about this stuff. Guys, I need to talk to the fifth graders about science. Okay, I have to do that.

08:54

Do it.

Brandon 08:56

Like no, we have to do this today.

09:01

Sorry. Sorry. You Excellent.

Brandon 09:04

Work done. Yeah, no, it's terrible. Like one of those guys. So like, that's where I'm at. Now. I'm stuck. Because like, my afternoon class is fine. Whatever. I'm still gonna, I'm finishing the second half of a video. Oh, no. I can do that any day. Like can I have enough? Is there enough time to do presentations Monday. But also, now they haven't seen their presentation in three days. So I don't want to present Monday. I would rather just kind of start the little next section of notes, right? And then take a break and then do presentations and just go back to the notes. You know, right. flip back over. That's probably what I'm going to do because as I talking about temperature and light, which means it's part of got another video coming up in? Okay, sorry. Planning things in my head. All right. Background Yeah, easy snow days. These AMI days are like, Oh yeah, we don't actually miss a day like we totally miss a day now I'm all confuzzled. Right? I don't know what to do. Yeah,

Collin 10:15

we don't like the timeline is messed up. Yeah, we don't miss a day in as much as we actually still miss a day. Exactly right. Yeah.

Brandon 10:25

And I have to chase all this work down. Although I looked at it a little while ago and a bunch of it's done so like, that's fine. Oh well look at like the first the first time that we did it, right like the last time we had the three days in a row. And that was the first time ever we had these virtual days where we had to use the thing. Like, the next day back was an absolute disaster. Like, trying to get stuff in like the kids didn't know what to do with it. They're all like messed up like the math teacher, she just like she just took the whole day to just like, get it collected and make all the kids that didn't do it or couldn't figure it out like, oh was doing this day in class, like and just like, so it was really like a wasted day for them. Wow. Because some of the kids, right? This is the this was the first time ever they'd been held responsible for things on a day off. So like, right? They were kind of like,

Collin 11:24

Huh, you What are you doing now?

Brandon 11:26

Yeah, so some of them were like, well, what if I don't? And they found out? Oh, okay, well, then I'd have to sit here and do it. Like in the middle of class. Right? And again, some of the other kids that have that, like, that mindset of like, I don't get it. I'm just gonna not do it. Sure, right. Especially with like, we talked about other things. But like, they did that with my science one. Like, all the science one was like, read a thing. Do some answers. Was it about independent and dependent variables? Yes. Is that a tricky thing? Yes. Did I say repeatedly? I literally don't care if you get it right or not. I want you to put what your best answer is. Yes, yes. And did they do it? No. Not a lot of them did do it. Right. But like several of them like why didn't know what to do was like you just put there's a whole set. I put a thing right here. Look, there's a thing did you read this direction page, the one where I defined what those things mean? And gave you examples of them and then gave you just a few practice questions about choosing them from a experiment? No, you did it did you? Sorry. Girl. Oh, well. It'd be fine. I mean, yeah. I don't care. And parent teacher conferences on Monday, so if it wasn't fine, guess when I get talked to them?

13:04

Let me tell you about not fine. It is.

Collin 13:10

So yeah. So in my week, yeah. Do you think that we got I can't eat that. We got eight inches of snow.

Brandon 13:24

Oh, Susan is so mad right now. Like

Collin 13:28

yeah, it was pretty insane. We went from basically roads. So seriously yesterday at? Oh, I don't know. Five o'clock. Things were totally fine. Like, no issues on the road. And then over there, like, I forgot, like 30 minutes. It was like, oh, things are a little iffy. By seven o'clock. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. At six o'clock, things were totally fine. Because I was still I still need to drive around six o'clock. Things totally fine. By seven o'clock. Things not fine. I was behind. So I'm fine. It was Yeah. Is very opposite of mine. I was behind a Mustang at a stoplight. And he go go, he could not go at all. Like, there was just there was literally no going. No going forward. The coefficient of friction was very. And it was it was approaching zero as asymptotically approaching zero. And they just like well, and within 30 minutes, people were spun out all over the roads. It was just deteriorating, like like felt like a legitimate blizzard coming in. And then we woke up to eight inches of snow this morning. And then it but it was the lightest of snow. It was it was yes true. It was weird about how quick louder bro? Yeah, yeah, no, it's bra. Sure Red just completely disappeared. And then all the roads perfectly perfectly fine. So much so that Lilian school had canceled today as everyone else did. But then by this afternoon, they were like, well, the Mother Son dance is still on board. Okay. Which I thought was like, which I thought was pretty funny. It was like, Oh, right.

15:35

And it's kind of funny actually, like,

Brandon 15:37

well, you know, it's fine. Whatever

Collin 15:40

they did. They were like, the roads are clear. The parking lot has no snow in it. You always come to the dance tonight. No. Night. Yeah, I

Brandon 15:55

was curious about that. Because the road temperatures are so high, but because it's been warm. So. Yeah. Oh, well. Again, I don't care. I played video games all day long. Definitely. So it's fine. Right. Worked out my tool that I've had two very contrasting video game experiences lately. Oh, yes. So I played before this one. Here's a video game review corner. There you go. I was playing like I just was like, oh, I want to play this game. I heard it was kind of okay. I played the game called Last Judgement. Yeah. Which is like, it's apparently crude. I didn't know it's a sequel to something else. Oh, well. I'm not a person that really cares about that. Like, it didn't affect enough of the thing to like, beat matter, right. But it's apparently a spin off of like the Yakuza series, of which I have played zero games. So now I'm like, Oh, man. This game was fantastic. But it's like, very story. Right? Like, lots of talking. But it's like a mystery. Like a bug. Right? It's like a you're like a detective. Right? Which, not enough detective games. I'm gonna say that right now. But anyway, without going into much detail here is that you're a detective and you kind of saw this like really big, convoluted crazy mystery story. And so it's like, super story heavy, right? And there's all these like, fun, like our Katie things, whatever. So I read that and now I'm playing Elden ring, which is like the exact opposite. You're like, there's a story kinda somewhere. If I read this item description, and that description, and that one with the comments really fun, so like, it's gorgeous, but like, he's very contrasting styles here. Which is weird, because one of them's like a RPG game right? So it's like, there should be a story here somewhere, but like as far as I know, it's just like I need to find these pieces of a thing and then do something I don't really know we'll go wander around and not die like I don't know. It's very contrasting styles. I find it very interesting.

Collin 18:26

Kind of like ping pong back and forth.

Brandon 18:29

Yes, super dialogue heavy super cut Seanie super, like really crazy story to like, Yep. Go that way. Kind of. Maybe

Collin 18:44

fine. Don't worry Right. Or not

Brandon 18:55

yeah, that's all I've been doing. I did we did actually. We did actually go play music with people for real life in person did is really weird. I didn't understand like, well, how does this work? How do

Collin 19:11

what is band what is band? How

Brandon 19:13

does work? You guys doing? What is this other people? Three strange. Oh, good time. It was a very very interesting, very, it's fun to actually do that again. It's like Oh, wow. People and loud noises gray

Collin 19:41

this was your your critics gave you two thumbs up on listening. You

Brandon 19:48

update? Yeah, I was kind of mad at him for doing that. Right.

Collin 19:54

No, it's good. Good Actually, is is a question that I wanted to, to approach you with, and I think, maybe a point of general discussion unless Aaron wants to throw something else in here. Um, why do you play music? Oh, dear.

Brandon 20:22

Um That's a good question. I don't really know the answer. It's just sort of fun, right? Like, that's really kind of the only answer that I have. I don't have like a deep like, oh, man, I just express my nice just fun. Like, I'd like it.

Collin 20:45

Well, no, I was, um, because I was thinking about it. I was like, Well, I know, like, like, I like we all were in band. Like, we all had this music connection. And like, but you have continued to play music, like, a lot. I know, you will say, Oh, no, too much movement, whatever. Like better. Much more much.

Brandon 21:08

Yeah, yeah,

21:10

I would say that you're right. Let's

Collin 21:12

see, see, like I anyway, have, like, you've, you've kept that you've continued to do it. And so I was just kind of curious, like, what, you know, so you say it being fun. It's, it's a it's a way to do some new stuff and to like, step back and enjoy because it is enjoyable to you. But basically,

Brandon 21:33

yeah, I think that's the big reason. It's just very enjoyable. It's kind of like I'm part of his, like, challenge of like, trying to figure things out, and like learning new things, right, just kind of that like continual learning process, I find enjoyable. Right, like, kind of continuing to get better, like learning new things, learning new bits and pieces of like, music theory, because my music theory is like really bad. And like, like, Oh, these are other kinds of styles, or this is like different chord shapes or whatever, right? Like, all those like little pieces to like, make things sound more interesting is just, it's fun. So like, I just, I find just fun to do that, right? And it gets frustrating sometimes when you're not like progressing very much, or, like, stuck or whatever. But like, I just think it's fun. Kind of, like, I don't take it like really seriously. You know what I mean? Like, I've never been a person, like, oh, my gosh, I have to like practice and I have to, like, improve. And I have to get to this level. I'm just like, No, I'm just having fun. guys really want to make this sound like I like the sound I get I get I do have like a thing with sounds, though, right? Like, there I get like, there are certain sounds I just really like. And they're kind of almost addicting to hear. You know, I mean, like, like, I just really like this certain sound or this certain, like, tone or whatever it is like that I get stuck on. Like, I just really like it. And I kind of feed on that to some extent, like I like those interesting sounds. And I like to try to think about like, other sounds that would make things like sound better? You know, because especially when you think about like a band context. You have to sound kind of in a certain way. Otherwise, you can't be heard in like a traditional guitar band context. Right? Right. If you are, because we play with Brian's a guitar player, and another bass, there's another guitar player, bass player, a keyboard player, right? So like, if you just saw play the same thing you just sound like the same. You don't mean and that's boring. So like, you get lost, it just sort of sounds like mush. You know? So I try to think about like, think about sound in a way that like kind of almost like, this is gonna sound really cliche and weird, but like painting kinda, you know, like, what stands out here? How do you blend this together there to make it sound good together. But then how do you stand out in this part so that it sounds interesting? Because if you really like listen to songs, even like on the radio, the reason they're on the radio is because they are produced like immaculately and they sound really good. And there are these like little things that are happening that you don't like, consciously pay attention to the first time you hear them. You know, here's like, if this song is really catchy, I don't know Why, but if you like really kind of concentrate on it and listen to the details, there's these like little melodic things that happen. Or like these really strange sounds that are kind of in the background, you know, that are bolstering everything and making it sound bigger than it actually is. So that kind of like audio way of thinking about it, I just find it really fascinating. And I think it's my, the fact that I like certain sounds, I get stuck on that and I want to make them right, I think that's the other other than it's being fun. There's this like, so there's like the it's really fun part. I like the fun fun this. But I also like making interesting sounds like is weird and generic is that kind of seems like I find that really enjoyable. Because I like I just like certain sounds. I don't know why that is. Seems kind of weird when I say it out loud like this. But

Collin 26:02

I think I totally agree. So I will say that there is a phenomenon. And I don't know if this has happened to like you, Aaron, where like, he listened to a sound music, song and is very new saying like you listened to the first time and you're like, Okay, that's cool. And then I do go back and listen to some a lot. And I will say for me, I like to get Aaron's loves on this. That what stands out to me, the vast majority of time once I start listening to something of a song that I really like, is a has a good baseline. Like a good base that's in the background that like if you just are taking a cursory listen to it, you don't really it doesn't stand out to you. But as soon as you start intentionally listening for this and different aspects of it, like oh, no, that's why I like this song. I don't know, Aaron, if you've had that

Brandon 26:56

same experience to oh, oh, that's a good one. That lets that band is 311. And then that bass is like all up in bam, all right in the front. Sorry. Go ahead. I think I kind of take it as kind of like a two part thing with music. So on one end, I really like or like the vocal music when there's like, no instrumental, like choir bass music, you know,

Aaron 27:28

maybe piano but like, for some reason that then nothing beats like an all male choir, just because you get a wide range of like bass tenor, like everything in between. And for some reason, I really love it when,

27:45

you know, fires like that

Brandon 27:47

create kind of like an overtone, where like it just something that's just like, ah, that's really nice, relaxing. Thank you. I needed that was more instrumental music.

28:01

For me, it's kind of like

Brandon 28:05

the best way to describe the same kind of thing was overtone like, I love listening to DCI things when they when they do the warm up hearing something about just like hearing it is just like, nice. That was like really nice. I will say that marching snare drum sound that is on the list of one of my favorite sounds like crack.

Aaron 28:33

One of my I'm going to completely forget his name, but the drummer from the Foo Fighters, Dave, Dave rule, a role. So he talks about a thing where it's like, we're like listening to a drummer. They like to have their own. Like, all the numbers are saying are all drummers are different and like you can listen to certain like, like, certain drummers play the same song, but they make it their own. And how just like how unique and diverse it is, like there's some songs that were like, Yo, that's okay, I can get behind that. I can feel that. And so, like, listening to music, in those kind of two aspects are, are kind of there for me. I don't really I can't really fully explain it because I never really thought about before, but there's something like just listening to it. You're like, hey, that's like that's like really clean.

Brandon 29:28

Thank you. Thanks for being awesome.

Collin 29:32

Yeah, and what I think is interesting about that is hearing you know, Brandon, you're going, I have that, but then there's this extra step of going. Now I want to I want to make that I want to do that. And I want to try my hand at that. So is it is it the I want to see is it like other than the personal gratifying to it? Is there an aspect of do have that challenge have of making something that you like and trying to figure out exactly all the pieces are put together. Because I imagine it's kind of like, America's Test Kitchen of they're like, this is how we make the perfect recipe. And it's like, part of it is they want to nail that taste, or nail that texture of the food in a different way. You're trying to make that recipe on the back end.

Brandon 30:22

Yeah, definitely, I think. Because like, when you're thinking about playing music, there is like, there's this problem that you have, right? Like you have. It's kind of the same with every instrument, right? Like, drums, I know, do this too, like, there's like the sound that is in your head. Right. And then you've got to figure out how to make it. And it can be like, absolutely maddening. Because sometimes you need like a certain thing, or like a certain effect pedal or like a certain type of drum, right, or a certain drum head or so. Right? Like, because there's all these, like infinite variables that make the tone. What it is, you know, I mean, it's like, you can mix you know, back to the art example, like, if you're mixing your own paint, there's literally an infinite scale in between, like, red and blue, have that purple color that you want. Right? It's, it's actually infinite array. Enzo, it's kind of like that, where if you have like a drum tone, that you just like, really want to sound like and you just like really get, like fixated on that tone, like, trying to make yours. Sound in a similar way is like, really hard, because there's all these like little things. And part of it is technique. And part of it is equipment. And part of it is you know,

31:56

all this stuff. So

Brandon 31:59

there's that aspect. It's really annoying, but like, but that's where you kind of like, this thing happens where you go, Okay, I want to sound like this. And then you kind of take all the things that you have, and you try to make it and then you make like a new sound. And you go okay, I like the sound now, you know what I mean? Like you kind of say, like, you start somewhere and then you use the tools you have, and then you kind of end up maybe not exactly where you want to go. But you're close, you know, or you kind of discover something new. You know what I mean? Like, Ah, that's nice.

Collin 32:39

Well, yeah, and I think is I've hear I've heard stories of people who've gone like, oh, I want to try and sound like the Beatles did on this album or whatever. And it's like, well, unless you're recording in Abbey Road.

Brandon 32:49

Oh, yeah, that's that's the whole, like, that's a whole other thing, right? That's a whole other that's where the some weirdness can happen. Right? Especially with like guitar or like drum, like, snobby people were like, Ah, he's the only way to play. Well, I've talked about this before, right? Like, the only thing that's acceptable is like this one type of thing. Like, right? No, no, that's because then you get stuck into like, well, I don't, I don't necessarily want to sound like that person. And I want you to like me, but like, I wanted to maybe use some of the tools that they use, right, but like, I want to sound different. Sure. And so it's one of those things where that's why it was nice to play with other people. Again, because you kind of go ha I have these ideas for sounding like this. And then they sound like fine. Your house by yourself. Right? But then when you mix them with other people's sounds, and you know, their proverbial paints, if you will, like it's kind of a like, oh, is this standing out? Am I getting lost here is this how does this fit in with what other people are doing? Like that kind of like challenges just kind of fun to do, you know, just kind of it's interesting, right? Like to try to mess around with that stuff and say, Oh, this is a good I'm gonna try this. Try this. See what else do this now what about it? It's

Collin 34:19

kind of a different drive to have someone who who does the like, we kind of started off the discussion talking about the integrating into a group of musicians and sounds like that's a different aspect of making music as opposed to someone who's in more like as more solo tendencies or wants to go that route like that is yeah, like that's a little bit more to and I think that also brings it a lot more of when you're doing it in a group it's okay how do I make myself sound good in the setting but also, there's this that collaboration effort to of making something totally different

Brandon 34:55

than Yeah, like making the group sound good right now just myself, but like, how does Make the group sound better. Right? That's what that's part. That's interesting too. You know? It's kind of like that thing. And that's just part of it's just, you have to listen really good, you know? And that's, that's a skill that's, like, very practiced. Like, you can't just do that. You know what I mean? Like, you have to be good at listening. That's the most important thing really easy can. I've played with too many people who don't listen, and it was kill you like

Collin 35:44

that? Well, it's it's more than it's more than just are you in tune? Right? It's like, are you matching the style? Or where the songs going? Or in?

Brandon 35:56

Yeah, like, it's, everything is rhythm. Stylistically dynamics, right? That's a big thing, right? Because just play like, one volume whole time.

36:06

That's also kind of boring. Right? You know, it's loud.

Brandon 36:09

It's loud all time. I mean, yeah. But like,

Collin 36:14

also, maybe not.

Brandon 36:15

It's easy to play louder. You play slightly less loud. And then more loud. Yeah,

Collin 36:19

absolutely. See? Oh, look at that range. Yeah,

Brandon 36:23

I'm where I am guilty. And my use is not obeying the laws of dynamics, right. As a trumpet player, you don't want to do that. You want to be the loudest person clearly. That's how it works. Like you do?

Collin 36:47

Yeah, no, I was just It struck me. Just, you know, watching you play watching you in the group, continuing that creative process to it was like, Yeah, I wonder I wonder what else because I'm, especially to continue to do that. Right. Like, years later in moving forward into still find things that interest you about it and things that are

Brandon 37:12

challenging to you? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's kind of just fun. I'm just trying to contribute a little bit. That's why I was mad that he videotaped that, because I was like, Hey, I wrote this song. And he's like, sweet, we're gonna videotape it is like we've practiced for five minutes. I think this is a bad idea. I don't think like,

Collin 37:39

I had, you had to big thumbs up from the reviewers, so that mad is

Brandon 37:51

the wrong word. I was like, Dude, come on. Really? Right. What are you doing? Could I have a little bit of a break here? Yeah, we just, we just practices like one time you're like, Yeah, let's record it. Like, Alright, hold on. Man.

Collin 38:11

Oh, good. And so that's that group is one that plus plays periodically,

Brandon 38:17

or? Yeah, very.

Collin 38:21

Very true. Okay. Understood.

Brandon 38:26

Yeah. It's been? Well, you know, it's been a little hard. I've recently worked with a global pandemics and whatnot. Uh, you know, please. But yeah. And then, like, there's all this scheduling is the hard part, right? Because like, one of the dudes is like a choir director. Right. And so he's like, in the middle of like, directing a musical right now. So like, he wasn't there clearly. So like Yeah, right. So like solving so.

Collin 39:10

Aaron, I need you to I need you to explain something to me. in like five minutes or less. What? Why? Why? Why? Why Russia want parts of Ukraine?

39:25

Oh, no.

Collin 39:30

Like a quick like five minutes, like real? Boom, in and out.

Brandon 39:36

Basically, so the best way that I that I do describe it is what what was Putin's job? During the Soviet Union? Classified Yes. Unknown. Was he the KGB? Yeah, he was Katie wasn't the KGB. So

Aaron 39:57

he um Oh. If there's a whole bunch of others, they all say, Oh, who was the KGB after the Soviet Union fell? He worked his way up and was became like the Deputy Mayor of like, St. Petersburg or something like that. Um, who was in charge of Russia at the time?

Brandon 40:19

When I need a year, this is the Oh, like 1991 1992 Oh, right after that was Gorbachev Right, right. Nope. And then like, Gorbachev is the one who left no. No, ah. What's his name? It wasn't Corby wasn't it was found to be watching and Yeah. Yeah. Yeltsin. Yeltsin. Yes, Boris. Okay. Yeah. So was that before Yeltsin? What is? Yeah, so the good old dancing bear?

Aaron 40:59

As he was called in Russian was the president, but he was like, super unpopular. And like, Vladimir Putin was like, Oh, Harry, like, if only we had some strong figure, oh, what's that? You want to vote for me? Okay. And so this is where the detection war came in place. Because he's like, Oh, look at the section said they bombed our, you know, cities, which was totally am destroying smaller city or the buildings and cities. And so, you know, rinse wash, repeat, Putin has been doing this kind of like, oh, man, we're, we're in trouble. Look at you know, we, we need someone to stretch your arms to defend us. Oh, what's that? That's neat. Okay, it says he also kind of wants to bring in my eyes at the height of the Soviet Union back to its former self. He did the same thing with Georgia a few years ago. They're still doing aging more quietly. Yeah. And then only in 2014. He did the same thing with Crimea was like, Oh, this needs to be part of the Soviet Union. Oh, look at all these Russians in Crimea, which is mostly filled with

Brandon 42:12

Ukrainian taught ours. And so it just just in hindsight, just kind of wanting to rebuild the board a union? Well, yeah, he's using he's using the nationalism angle as a cover. But like, you're right, there is this thing where all countries want to be at their border maximum. Right. And in, in his eyes, the border maximum of Russia was the Soviet Union, right, even though it wasn't all Russia. But it was though, right? Ukraine also wants to be part of NATO. And they want to be part of the EU real bad.

Aaron 42:50

NATO was designed pretty much against the Soviet Union is like, Oh, why would you want to leave and join them in place? You just kind of want the little puppets. No borders state between him and the rest of the world?

Brandon 43:03

Ah, that's the other thing, right, though. One of the real reasons is that Russia has no natural border defense. Yeah, right. There is no mountain range. There's no river. There's no ocean, there's nothing stopping any aggressor from just like straight up marching to Moscow. Right, we've seen it. We've seen it in the past, the literal only thing stopping them is January, you know, so like that the fact that it would be another like, oh, I can put more miles between me and yeah, my enemies, right. In this case, like financial enemies like Germany, right. If I can put distance between them and myself, or right, plus, Ukraine, also, like, giant farmland area. Right.

Collin 44:00

As currently. Yeah. As we're finding out, it's a bit. It's a bit important to mini mini thing in the, in the in the world? Yeah.

Aaron 44:11

And also, you know, during one of his five year, plan, things like took all of the farmers from Ukraine and stuff them in the factories. And then when you do that, you kind of forget about farms, and we're gonna get the whole of the more. We're over like a million Ukrainians died of starvation. You know, then we're right back breadbasket of Europe. Yeah.

Brandon 44:34

And I think he also wants to increase his, like, legitimacy of the Crimea thing, right, because people sort of forgot it, even though people sort of forgot about that. But the reason he wants that is Russia has no port for it. All. Right. They have like Vladivostok. Oh, man. That's Andy. On the on the exact other side of Russia from everything. Oh man, do you?

Collin 45:04

Do you think he really miscalculated the time it would take because I was reading something where they were saying like, apparently he thought this was gonna be over in like three days, kind of like the Crimea. Crimea incursion was where he just kind of went in and everything was like, Okay, well, nevermind. Did he really make that big of a mistake with this one? Well, I

Brandon 45:25

think so. Cuz like Aaron said, he's been doing this in other places for like years. Right, like the Georgia thing like the those, the caucus states, right. Kind of like Georgia, Azerbaijan area. The other one that's over there. What's the other one? Georgia has, right? There's three anyway. He's done that they're, like, sort of like, casually moving the border. Like, what's this? This is this is for your protection? And yeah, just don't want to so forth. Yeah. So he's, I mean, he's done that. But I think I don't want to say he's like insane. And crazy, like he is very, what's the word? Um, where were you?

Aaron 46:10

Not manipulative. Where you wait for the right off? opportunistic. Nailed it. Yeah. He is very optimistic. Because what happened last time, especially with Georgia was like, the winter or whatever Olympics was going on? And then he's like, Oh, well, you mean, you guys that day? Anything? I was doing this? To me, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. Yeah. I think was this time was that there's a lot more like, larger world response. And yeah, like sanctions, and a lot of these companies have been, like, pulled out of Russia, and that that has hurt them. But there was also with the other one, there was like, there was more support, kind of like within Russia. Or like, if you like, there's a lot of people that like ask the Russians like, how do you feel about this? And like, why are we doing this? And that's why you see a lot of the protests that occurred in Russia, like outside of Moscow. And like, all these other places, like people like oh, hey, this is actually like, more of a backlash and what we're deciding,

47:10

yeah, well,

Brandon 47:11

I think he kind of buckled down really hard after about like, to 2011 Right, like, when they went all that Arab Spring stuff was going on, you know, Yeah, cuz he had all the power. Yeah, exactly. All the all these countries were like, all the populations were like really rebelling against like, ultra controlling leaders. He was like, everything's fine, don't worry. Like, and he like, hammered hard on too much stuff. Because he was like, nope, not happening. But there was protests in Russia then. And there was like, lots of weed arrests, and like, all that stuff, and like,

Aaron 47:45

also, like, gone, it's always been kind of like a dip. Like, every time there's been like a dip in popularity. He's always found, like another target and go after, with like, after Yeltsin, it was catching. And then after that, there was like, a few party thing. And then after that, it was like, oh, you know, going after gay people. And like, how Yeah, they're the people they're the things that bringing Russia down you know, actually taking out millions of Jews and you know, going out there Muslims and kind of like all these like, targeting stuff. I think people are starting to get like, should have been starting to catch on because he's literally doing the same thing since like the 90s

Brandon 48:25

Yeah, it's just a different group of people. Right? It's just like you're right. And that's why the there's a lot of a Muslim population in the kind of that caucus C area, right. There's like a weird there over there. So that's another reason area where he's been like, oh, yeah, they're not rushing, right, this other kind of thing, right, seeing people as other and so therefore dangerous and therefore doing this. Like, you know, so there is there has been you right this time people are like, this time, it just does seem like really out of the blue. Like, what? What you what, why did you do that? Like, I'm just gonna invade Ukraine now. Like what? Yeah. I also think that a lot of it comes from is on Villa Merkel. Hired?

49:15

Yeah, there's

Brandon 49:15

a new German guy.

Aaron 49:18

He literally kept him in check for like years. Because I was remembering I think it's like the only person Putin like, not yours, but like I will do anything. Don't worry was because of the mark. Because he literally like scare him so much. Now, I don't know. Like, that's true. But there's also kind of that timing factor of like goals since she retired. And everyone's focused on other things. That means like,

Brandon 49:47

I am so well, yeah, you said that word opera. Opportunistic, right. Yeah, very opportunistic. Because like, the want like Germany is the power in the EU right now. Right? Yeah, financially, everything Like, they. And I think it, you know, he's like, Okay, well, maybe they won't do these things. And, you know, they're still, like, even still, Germany doesn't have like a big military, you know, because, you know, and but like, I don't think he but he knows that if they decide to he's in trouble, right? Because it's like, and so that's the other part, like if Germany really kicks in and like says, oh, yeah, we'll help fund some of these armies in like NATO then then then they have a problem, you know, then there is somebody who can stand up to them, like literally right on their door. You know, I mean, and so, yeah, that, you know, that phantom aggressor, you know, that he sees as the like, you know, the old they're dangerous, like, they're not really, but if you keep doing that, they will be like, Yeah, you know, plus, he's just really concerned about, I think you're right, I think kind of at this point in his life, he's very concerned about like, Legacy right now. Like, what is the legacy of him in Russia? And like, I think you're kind of right, like, strong man. Take Russian lands, you know,

Aaron 51:23

but you know, that's, that's been a very, like, a pattern with him, because he's always he's always been seen that strong, you know, the pictures of him, like always, with a shirt off. And like him just like doing like very heroic things like, Oh, look, you went swimming in the Black Sea and found this ancient pot. And that's kind of a very, like, dictator thing to do. Like, yes. And like Turkmenistan, and like, kind of like all those people's like, Oh, look how strong I am. So people don't think that I'm weak. So the fact that he does that, but he's also been kind of like, you know, like humble, untamed, like, oh, he won't ever, you know, misuse his powers, because every year, when it's time for reelection, he like always step down. But it's always like, the same person, like, there'll be president and then I will step down, be Prime Minister. And then like, the prime minister will become president and like, back and forth. And so he's like, Oh, look at me. I'm doing such a good job, you know, stepping down from my country. Oh, what's that? You want me to be president again? Okay. And then just, you know, Michael, so?

Brandon 52:32

Yeah, I mean, the cycle for? Right. Yeah. But But yeah, you're right. The, he sort of brought up a good thing, a good point there. He's sort of, like, bolstered by some of his kind of South Eastern neighbors, right? Like, Kazakhstan is just like, that's just crazy. Yeah. Right. Like, look at a picture of the capital. CAG is Kazakhstan. How me a crazy dictator did not build that city, right? Look at it. Yeah, you go. What on earth? Like, this country has nothing in it. And this is what the Capitol looks like. Okay. And kind of those states kind of have like a very weird kind of thing. And so he's sort of like, still kind of like hugging them, you know, giving the old Soviet hug, right? Comrade kind of bolstering them so that he has no problems over there. Just let them do whatever, saying, Oh, yeah. Actually, that's this buffer between him and like, anything from that direction, right. So he has cold and cold and distance. That's the only buffer he's got. So on the other side, though, he's freaking out about European Union and all this stuff. And so yeah,

Collin 54:10

so So of heat. So just hypothetically, he takes Ukraine. Isn't he then just literally now actually touching? The EU? It with? Yeah. So. So is he is his is he actually trying to take the property? Or is he trying to convince Ukraine to remain neutral and not join? And kind of like bully them strong arm them into a more neutral position? Well,

Brandon 54:38

I think see, it's not necessarily he's bullying Ukraine into doing that, because Ukraine wants to be part of the EU. Right? He wants to do this. But by doing this, he's looking at France and Germany saying don't let them in. Yeah, right. Yeah, that's what he's doing. That's the other part of it. He's using them as like. He's like beating up Ukraine, but he's staring at Germany is doing it. thing. This is don't do it. Right. Don't let him in the EU. They're under my I got them, right. They're mine but Ukraine's like no doubt we don't want to be here though. So it's pretty weird, right? Like this is very like I feel like this is a very like 17 hundred's thing to do. You know, like imperialistic. Yeah, right? This is not like a this is not like a 21st century move. You know what I mean? Like, that's the other. This brings me to the other part, and Aaron will be able to confirm the statement, but like, we just sort of like look at the history of Russians doing things. You just look at basically every decision they've ever made and gone. Why did you do that? Right.

Aaron 56:10

Russia has always been very, like backwards, because there's always been kind of a list. You know, let's be more modern and then they do something modern and it's like that's not the kind of modern we're talking about. I mean, yeah, it's it just seems two years of stagnation and then like a you know, Peters race.

Brandon 56:31

Yeah, Peter the Great. And it's like, oh, let's you know, let's all shave our beards and your or your, you know, not Where's COVID Let's remove serfdom, right? I mean, I mean, yeah, but like wrong. There's always been like this weird, like, like, hey, look, we're trying rest of the world right now, it just it just seems like bizarro world right? Like Russian history is just full of like, Ha, that you went with that, huh? Okay. But yeah, there's this whole like, flexing on Ukraine to like intimidate Germany. This is a very like, colonial thing. Right like Imperial Czarist Russia. Yeah, situation. Right. It's very that part is very like czarist where it's like, oh, yes, I'm gonna do this. Or it's just it feels very, like kind of I know in the 1700s, early 1800s Like Napoleonic almost right I feel like the pulling down some dumb like that. Right. Like a did do that I guess. Right with like, like Austria like, hey, look what I did Austria. Or like, look what I did. Italy. Yeah, Germany, you see that? Yeah, stop it pressure. Like so it's just it's just seems like really out of touch with but you know if that's he's going for, like he said, strong, man. You know, like, really bizarre. czarist flexes seem to be in line with that way of thinking.

Collin 58:22

That kind of makes sense. No, it makes perfect sense. Why on like, day three, or whatever he told, he put all of his nuclear forces on, like, highest alert. And to me that, that was kind of like, it seemed to come out was really strong. But basically, I guess what he was saying was, this is not for anybody else. Right? Like the world doesn't need to be involved in this. This is just between me and the EU right now. And like, trying to deter a more offensive approach to it so that he could get them to that point of submission, basically, right so that didn't get over too fast.

Brandon 59:05

Yeah, and that's that's kind of the the ultimate like problem with nuclear weapons is like he just using like that, like OG Come on, and like you just like, put all your all your, like cards on the table, literally. And say, Yep, this is what I'm willing to do. Stay away from me. Uh huh. You know what I mean, like, the ultimate deterrent that's why North Korea so desperately wants them. Right. Because they don't and they have like, Well, I

59:36

mean, you know, unconfirmed but, but they don't like

Brandon 59:41

they have they don't have that ultimate bargaining chip. So if somebody's just like, Yeah, we're gonna just take you over now. Just shut up, go away. Like they had nothing to stop them. Right. Saddam. Saddam Hussein did not have them. Mm hmm. And so like, North Korea looks at that and goes Oh, Write this bad. Look what happened that guy? Look what happened to Gaddafi. Right. Look what happened to these guys. Yeah. So

1:00:09

but but also I

Brandon 1:00:11

was reading it like, some of the US like generals are responding to that me like, dude, they're always on high alert. I don't know what he's talking about. He's

Collin 1:00:21

just like no no more high alert before.

Brandon 1:00:24

Yeah, I was one of them was like, That's just how they are like, sure there's do they do like ours are like that too with that like he's like, yeah, he's not saying anything that's like surprising. So, so how does he How does he back out of this?

Collin 1:00:43

How does he? How does he get out of it? Because I'm looking at this I'm thinking like, like, I don't know, like put like a save face or whatever. But like, what is the? What's the off ramp for him? It to get this de escalated? Which I know like if you read through the art of war, like one of the things they talk about is the need to give your opponent an off ramp so that they can like they can take it right without getting that defeat. What's it what's it in this case?

Brandon 1:01:18

Yeah, I don't know.

Collin 1:01:21

Yeah, because I'm like, this is way past but I think most people were thinking because whenever he first went, I know, I people were like, Oh, he's gonna go into the Donbass in the whatever region. Um, and then he literally kept going, and everyone was like, going through Kiev. And everyone was like, Oh, wait, wait a minute. What, what? And now he's, you know, he's in it. It's kind of deep. Things are bad, like, real bad for them for their economy and all sorts of stuff. So I just I think about this something. I don't know what it even looks like to get that pullback.

Brandon 1:02:05

Yeah, I don't either. I think he's going to be fighting tooth and nail for like, all those Russian malware dollars, like the ransomware dollars are going to be fun. I'm not sure. But like, I don't really know. Right? Like, I don't know of a way out of this because some of these actions are like extreme. Oh, right. We're like, seizing property. And like, kicking people out of owning the Chelsea Football team, right. Like this is. That's what's happening is sane. I mean, it's good. Right? Like, McDonald's close down every restaurant in Russia. Yeah. Which there's some they just got those because that's what that was the big thing when the Soviet Union, I was gonna say, opening up Western powers. The first thing they got was McDonald's is a deep irony here, because Oh, happy that. Yeah, one of the first western businesses in there was McDonald's. Right? Like,

Collin 1:03:11

well, in the fact that they're, like, literally turning like, visa was like, no cards, just like any cards don't work. So it's like, it's not just the oligarchs in Yeah, but like, literally, families going to go to the grocery stores were like, Oh, I don't have access to my money anymore. Like, yeah, Oh, dang.

Brandon 1:03:30

Like, yeah, that's serious. And so like, I don't know how far he goes with that. I don't know how far he says like, yeah, who cares? And he turns into like, a weird, big colder North Korea, right. Like, we don't need your internet. Right? We don't need your whatever. But like, you know, I'm not trying to be like, pro capitalist or anything here, but like, kind of do right? Because like, the world economy at this point, depends on big things like that. And having, like, as dumb as this sounds like having a McDonald's in Russia, at least like Aaron's right, it was a huge thing for the rest of the economy after 91 You know, and if you've spent 30 Some years depending on that instead of having your I mean, you have your own restaurants obviously, but like, nothing like that. And then you just like rip that out of there. Eek. I mean, like so they produce a lot of natural resources bad nobody's gonna buy them. I mean channel by exam care, but like the app there and say Boat to ride. China's all like, oh, we hate capitalists, except for a really nice pilot thing. Right, like

Collin 1:05:11

love capitalists, we hate them. But it also, you know, it is crazy, weird, strange bedfellows because Putin has come out strongly against communism. Right. And like, how he doesn't think it's good or appropriate. And yet, here we are. But again, words, you know, mean one thing actions mean another.

Brandon 1:05:32

Yeah. Like, it's one of those like, Hey, if you leave me alone, all the blue alone things right. That's kind of what their agreement seems to be at the moment. Right. Like, just like. So that's a whole other bizarre situation. But like, it's very, it's very odd. You know, and likely, to say the least and you know? Yeah, I think. I don't know the I don't know what his exit strategy here is. Other than I don't know if he even has one. I think it's like, take Ukraine, right. I don't happen. Like I like. I don't know. But I feel like I feel I don't know, like, I feel like you just can't let somebody do that. You know what I mean? Like, surely, surely. Surely, like, as much as you don't want to make this conflict more like you cannot just like, watch a country, like take over another one and be like, Yeah, it's fine. dorobek Oh, sure. Yeah, I mean, like, this is not the 1800s Africa. We should not be doing that. Right. When I was gonna like, oh, yeah, you can have that fun. Like. It's very perplexing, you know. And, like some of the responses have been, like, slow, you know, with some of the stuff but like, like, you can't just sit idly by and like, watch that happen. You know what I mean? And be like, yeah, we'll just let them take it over. It's fine. It seems really odd that you would do that. So you gotta do something about it. Because that's not okay. Just be like, oh, yeah, there's gonna bombing people. Fine. Who cares? Like, no, don't do that. Sit at. So.

Collin 1:07:45

Oh, yeah, I think. I think that's that that response? Um, how quickly it came, I think definitely shows the what the world thinks I mean, not all of the world, but a good chunk of the world, basically, said what they believe how countries should or should not act. And they're going to try and do what they can, as opposed to, without, I guess, without getting involved. militarily?

Brandon 1:08:21

Yeah, no. And it's hard because like, they're the they're still the big scary boy on the block. Right? Yeah. Right. Like, it's different with them than it is like other people. Right? Because if like, another country was doing that, you'd be like, yeah, no, by him. You know, NATO just be like, No, seven. You know what I mean? Like, there's a smaller country or a different country or countries in other parts of the world. Like, he's not like the, they're, like, more dangerous, because they do have a history of like, really bad, bad decision making. Yeah. So you can't just be like, now we're just gonna drop the troops in Ukraine and be good, right? Because even though I could do that, that's not gonna have anything. So I it's almost, it almost is like, like, the extreme sanctions almost, you know, it's it's slower. But it's almost like it makes more sense because like you, you're literally telling somebody like, Listen, you can't afford to do this. Like, you can't, like what are you what are you doing like, and who knows what reserves they have, but they're not exactly like just a giant booming economy anyway.

Collin 1:09:55

Well, you know this it's interesting that you say that because I I guess this is again, just a general General Ignorance of, of countries and operations and stuff. But right, like, I had a vision of them as a, as a superpower as a global superpower. And as these these, you know, big baddies, and then they're like, No, like their economies kind of like that a Florida or New York. Like, they're kind of at that level as far as like GDP and I was like, holy moly,

1:10:29

that Yeah. What? Yeah

Brandon 1:10:37

that GDP is not great. Like, it's because of all those sanctions that we've had for the past.

Aaron 1:10:44

Ever, because we've always had some, like, form of sanction on them. And when I say performed, because it's always like, Alright, we're gonna do this. Russia good, like, oh, yeah, of course, they do something. And right. Now, I got to put another sanction on. Yeah. And so it's always just been like a thing where we've had to

Brandon 1:11:04

keep sanctions. So yeah, they're their economy has been very tanky for the past several years. I mean, even before that, like, they never really got off the ground. After the Soviet Union collapse, right, like, yeah, there was not a good transition from Soviet planned economy. Yeah. To free market economy. Yeah. Because basically, one just disappeared one day, and then there was literally nothing. Yeah. And that's why a lot of Russian people that are like, they live in like, very rural Russia. Not like the Muscovites or like the St. Petersburg denizens, right. People that are like, in the middle of nowhere, Russia, that you will often see them talking about, like, yeah, the Soviet Union was great. Mm hmm. Because they had a job in a house. Yeah. 100% everybody had a job in a house? Every single person and now they have like, oh, wagon. Yeah, you know, because because, because the Soviets did such a bad job of being like, their, quote, unquote, planned economy. It's very odd. Right, where they chose to put things was like, weird. Like you. I don't know what, like, all the resources are over here. So we'll build our factory 150 miles away from that. Like, What? What? Why would

Collin 1:12:53

like you to know.

Brandon 1:12:54

Yeah, so all these villages and stuff that had jobs, because they were part of this like, big convoluted thing. Like when the big extra convoluted thing went away. There's no reason to have a job there. Because it literally didn't make sense. So now they're just like, Ah, now I'm stuck here, in this place that was being funded. But now it is not. It was making like, gloves or something, you know? Yeah. Because they were like, here's a village. Here's people, what can we make here? Gloves, boom, let's do it. It literally made no sense for there to be a glove factory there. But because they were planning everything, again, planning plan, air quotes. Just throw it there. And then whenever they realized, yeah, we can't actually make money doing this. We have to move somewhere else. And everybody's like, Oh, why what now? Yeah. And so the transition from that to the normal, quote, normal economy after 91 was never real great. Anyway. So we didn't need an exactly hit the ground running in their transition, either. So the fact that Yeah, they did do all this stuff. And then you're like, what's your GDP? Oh, zero.

1:14:29

What

Brandon 1:14:32

are the very surprising countries have bigger GDPs than Russia? Right? Like, yeah. I find the list again, but like it's very, very odd.

Collin 1:14:50

Well, I am glad I saved my question for you. I appreciate the insight. Oh, wait. This is Yeah,

1:15:04

that's for sure. So

Brandon 1:15:07

I would just say I've always found Ukraine to be a fascinating place, and it's very saddening, all the stuff is going on. Right now, if you really don't like it, it's very upsetting just because I know it's just something really interesting about it and it's really cool. All the stuff I like to learn about it is Ukraine and it's got its own very interesting history that's very diverse and separate from that of Russia. So hopefully, this nonsense can find some sort of concluding I don't know what it is bad times.

Collin 1:15:48

That is a statement. Sure. Well, we will need to bring together good news or actually get our challenge off ground and do that then.

1:16:20

All right. Okay, well

Collin 1:16:25

enjoy your evenings stay warm, and we'll do whatever it is.

1:16:32

Now ready? Okay. Love Yes. Love it. Love

Brandon 1:16:37

you Ukraine. Love shout out.