What's the difference between a sole prop and an LLC? Collin will tell you. We have found the wild Aaron and he has some stuff to say. We decide what Spirit Week would be for oh brother. Brandon has a very important tangential follow-up about coffee shop pastry's. Main topic? We dive into chapters 2 & 3 of 'The Outsiders'.

LLC and Tax talk
WILD AARON IS FOUND
Spirit week!
Wed Wibbon Week
Oh brother podcast spirit week
- Watch half of a movie
- Mismatch clothing day
- Forget you’re podcasting day
- 3rd fav ice cream day
- Say nice things to people day (good news day)!
Hiring Process
Naked clients
Tangential follow-up question- coffee shop pastry?
- Collin - croissant/scone
- Aaron - breakfast sandwich
- Brandon - bear claw
Mom and biscotti and coffee cake
Blueberry muffins without streusel topping?
Main topic!

The Outsiders Chapter 2 & 3
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SPEAKERS

Collin, Aaron, Brandon

Collin 00:05

Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast of three brothers, trying to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon, Collin, and Aaron, on this show, when women week.

Brandon 00:20

Hi. How's it going? I'm exhausted. What are you? I'm

Collin 00:31

sorry about the delay. I was building questions about how to start an LLC and why you would do one versus

Brandon 00:44

Oh, cool. Awesome. I'm assuming insurance purposes.

Collin 00:55

Well, so limited, so let's break it down. LLC is what limited liability company right liability company. So it's not just insurances, but it, it's protection against your personal assets. So when you operate as a sole proprietor, yourself, yeah, that's right, this stuff, you get sued. If the, if the critical business gets sued, they can take out, if you have an LLC, separate from you, you have the business stuff sitting over here, little pile in your stuff sitting about. So unless you operate, like as yourself as opposed to as your business during business hours, like they can still find ways to sue you around your business. But it blocks an awful lot.

Brandon 01:36

Yeah, from you.

Collin 01:39

So that's, that's the biggest thing. It doesn't do anything with taxes, unless you get filing different, differentially doesn't really matter until you get to like an S corp or C Corp, which is by that time you're making, like, oodles of money, so that you don't really need to worry that one. Yeah. So yeah, no, that's that was what I was helping with.

Brandon 02:03

So riveting, I'm so glad that.

Collin 02:07

And then, and then there was even talk of like how to handle sales tax. And I was like, Oh, come on, let's do this.

Brandon 02:13

No, why not? Wait.

Collin 02:15

I was like, This is like the little bit that I know about sales tax and who honestly, I run a service based company for a very big reason, like, for many reasons, and one of them is I don't have to pay sales tax. I have to pay anything on that. It's awesome.

Brandon 02:32

Yeah, that's true. Because you're not selling anything,

Collin 02:34

no service and services and knowledge. You don't have to pay sales tax on though I have, like a coat of your coach. If you do coaching service, that's a coaching service. You sell the coaching package, you don't have to pay sales tax on that, you know, if you know how, but if you sell like how to manual, that sales tax, because? I don't know. So,

Brandon 02:58

so you got to sneak the manual in with the package. You got to make it part of the deal. It comes with the service. Yeah, yeah. Manual with Yes, with the package. There we go. I like it.

Collin 03:13

So keep this in mind, whenever we put together our our old brother consortium group. That's right, for working with media properties, and social advertising outlets, right?

Brandon 03:27

Whenever we give him ad info, like we

Collin 03:31

are consulting services together. Remember, don't have to file that pesky, pesky SW three, four, whatever it is,

Brandon 03:40

I have no, I just take everything to the tax dude and go here.

Collin 03:44

That's kind of what I said, I have this. Towards the end. I was like, I was like, Look, I understand, like, there's a lot going on here. And you're very concerned about this. There is a point in time where you can either continue to stress about this and pull your hair out and not sleep, or you can light a relatively small pile of money on fire and not worry about this. And I'm going to leave that up to you. Right?

Brandon 04:11

Yeah, you just take all the paperwork to the CPA office and you go there Go man. Yeah, no, like, exactly a person whose job it is to do taxes. Does it for you,

Collin 04:26

we'll we'll get this do taxes. Exactly. I know like, some of them even

Brandon 04:31

like it. I know.

Collin 04:32

Weird while they were like Oh, cuz they sell like, like food items as part of their stuff. And they were like, well, like, but there's like food use and then there's like food sales tax. I don't know blah, blah. And I was like, first off. Yeah, you sold food. I would just use this food sales tax. You know, like, what, just get an accountant just. Yeah, exactly. So that's what sorry, that's So that's what you're doing. So anyway, this is a and tax corner. Brought to you by people who know nothing about taxes.

Brandon 05:08

Yeah, right. I have filed, I have filed our own taxes every year that we've been married, and

Collin 05:21

I still don't know how to do it. And I still feel like I'm just clicking buttons and doing something quasi illegal. And I'm doing it's fine too. But like, everything checks out, and it's like, okay, you know, 10 years. So that first

Brandon 05:35

legitimately like, if if you click like one wrong box, and like, you don't pay like, $30 the IRS literally doesn't care. They'll be like, whatever. I know. Whatever. It's fine.

Collin 05:48

That's exactly that's what I told this person. They were like, freaking out about, like, I don't know, but I sold like $100 worth of stuff. And it's like, exactly. What what's the sales tax on that? dollar? 6% whoo, whoo. No, yeah.

Brandon 06:04

That's $6 $6 here.

Collin 06:06

They don't gonna hit you. Right? Yeah, exactly. I said, if they turn around, slap you with an audit, just laugh and say have fun. Good. Enjoy. Right? Like what? Okay, yeah, honestly, I've been in operation for a month. Exactly. Right. Yeah, he don't care.

Brandon 06:24

Me fine. Tony, you I just, it's ridiculous.

Collin 06:30

I you know, there are parts where it's like, you know, you want to make sure you're doing everything legal and by the books and you're not, but then it's like, at some point, you got to kind of do it. I don't know. It's not it's a weird way for the operating of just like, I know, taxes, whatever. Just do it. And

Brandon 06:43

don't get me it's not super. Like when you say it that way. It sounds pretty. Not great. Right? Like,

Collin 06:51

badly. But then if you're like, over $100, and the sales tax on that, which is $6. Okay, nevermind. I'm not going to care about this anymore. Because what's the penalty on that? Ooh, another 30% on the $6. I owed you. Whoo. Good luck, man. Good job. Right.

Brandon 07:14

Terrible. So, anyway. Yeah, it's fine. Those of you like Well, okay, I guess we'll stop it. Yeah. Again, that is why I just go to the CPA guy. Go. Hey, go. Have fun with this. Yeah. It's exciting to say

Collin 07:35

not, but I know you enjoy it. Aaron is Aaron a lot. Wherefore our thorough Aaron, we found you get long last long a wild Erin has appeared on the horizon. Aaron. Sorry.

Aaron 07:50

I've been new. I've been here trying to recover.

Brandon 07:56

Oh, yeah, as usual.

Aaron 07:59

Let's see here. What stuff did I get into what happened over the weekend? What's the fair? Saturday day, I think it's fair things. There in Tulsa. That was kind of fun. haven't been to a fair in like, ever. So that was a a completely new experience. For someone who hasn't been to the fair in a legit long time. It's homecoming week, and so we had to get ready for that school. But it's also fall break. And so there's literally there was only like three days of school this week.

Brandon 08:39

And so that was kind of nice to do everything

Aaron 08:42

and then be like, Alright, now here's a four day weekend And oh, by the way, have a football game on a day. That's no school. And oh, here's a parade. Oh, and there's a powderpuff bonfire like the night before. So good luck. There's just a coffee of things mixed together.

Brandon 09:01

And just kind of

Aaron 09:03

do my own thing. Really. It's also

Brandon 09:07

ballbreaker Shelley. And so we also for me,

Aaron 09:13

though, that'll be kind of nice for one staff to have a legit weekend together. So yeah, that's that's, that's all we got going on. is really nothing. Nothing super exciting.

Brandon 09:25

But we

Collin 09:29

mentioned it jogged my mind if something were coming up with that I haven't had to experience in a very long time are things like spirit week.

Brandon 09:39

Cool. And yes. I

Collin 09:43

like but we're in like, what, what week of school now? I

Brandon 09:46

don't know. Four. And on. We're in like seven or eight. I think we're in

Aaron 09:50

at we started late. No, we just we just finished our first nine weeks. Wow. Yeah.

Brandon 09:55

are in the quarter is this week. Well,

Collin 09:57

we just did our Friday. We just did Missing assignment kids, student teacher or parent teacher conferences, or just I don't know, whatever those are, I don't. Anyway, I have

Brandon 10:08

minor Monday and Tuesday.

Collin 10:10

Oh, it's when school ends when it starts everything in between I have a blurb, but the first week of school was a spirit week. And now like the first week, yeah, yeah, well, like the first like the first week started on a Wednesday, so that really wasn't, but it was like the next full week was a spirit week. And now, we're doing a spirit week next week. And I'm exhausted of these already. And I told Megan I was like, I didn't enjoy these when I was in school. And I'm really not enjoying these. Now that I have a kid in school. And but I'm trying not to like rain on her parade. Lane really enjoys them. But I'm like, this is this is too much. I this is there's a lot of spirit and I need to like pump the brakes a little bit.

Brandon 11:01

Yeah, I don't. We haven't had any yet. I don't think we had like, they didn't they they had like the pink out volleyball thing was this week, but they didn't do a particularly good job of like, doing that this year. Like there was like, No signs or anything like that. So I feel like the high school kids kind of dropped the ball now and but it's real bad in like, the high school because they'll do like, every club will do like a spirit week, eventually, you know? And then so then it's real confusing when I'm like, Alright, so the elementary kids are doing this. And then the high school kids doing that. And it's just the whole shenanigans and ridiculous. And I don't like him either. Very rarely do I participate as a teacher? Because like, I don't own camouflage things. Get out of here. I don't do I'm not doing that. It's not it. Right. And then also, like, I'm not buying a thing to wear for one day. No, no, I got the things I need to buy. Like, I gotta revamp my, like, pant wardrobe over here. All right, I'm busy. No. So yeah, it's it's annoying me don't like them. And, you know, I mean, they're fine. You know, and I think a lot of times our school just does not execute them. Well, I think that's the problem. I don't have a problem with the concept or the theory. I have a problem with the execution. You know, and, and they, there's never really given a good reason why anybody should do it. And like, my school is not very spirity. You know, they don't have lots of spirit, or Pep. And it's like, they're very flat. And it ends up just being like, Oh, it's had a again, again, like, no, literally cares. I don't know why they're wearing a hat. They're just like, okay, have them forget that. It's like, I have a hat anyway, so I guess I'll just wear it.

Collin 13:12

Yeah, like, Oh, sweet. I don't have to take it off. Awesome.

Brandon 13:16

Yeah. So when you when you lose the meaning, it's really just sort of like, a bunch of boring days where people were dumb clothes.

Collin 13:26

Yeah, we already did pajama day. And there was like a polka dot day. And then there was like a print like a fairy tale day. But then this coming week is like a was it Oh, what the one day is a good dress. Really nice day. Just like a fancy dress day. And then what But why? I know. I know. Exactly. That's my favorite one. is at the end of the week. It's like it's just as it says, school, school spirit day or whatever like that. But basically, it's like, oh, you want me to buy a T shirt? So I can rep the school that day so we're all wearing t shirts.

Brandon 14:09

The school is not even like school colors day. Oh, man.

Collin 14:13

That's I mean, they're implying is but but also they then they're like, Oh, we don't forget we also have T shirts. I'm like, Uh huh. I saw Yeah,

Brandon 14:20

I know. $20 haha.

Collin 14:25

I mean, I mean they Yeah, anyway, it's it's it's i don't know i i'm not no big fan. I told me I think it'd be nice to find a school that just like did do.

Brandon 14:35

They all do them. I know. They just do them to varying degrees of success, right? Like, so like an example coming up. sometime soon. I feel like it's October. It should be read Red Ribbon Week. Huh? Right. That's usually an October thing. I have to say that very slowly because I always say like Elmer Fudd style, like all still To this day, I will say of it, invariably, I will say, Where do women weak? Women, right? I just will. But every, every time, every I say that, so that's one, generally much more thought out. The days have like things and they they talk about stuff, the counselor does stuff with all the kids, you know, that kind of thing. So the days are like, you know, I don't remember off the top my head, but they have like, little sayings and things that go with a theme for each day of the week. Right? So that makes sense. To me. This is a much, it's a pretty well thought out thing. It goes with stuff. It ties into things you can talk to the kids about, they, you know, talk about drug awareness and everything like that. But like fbla week, it's just a bunch of random days thrown together that the fbla kids wanted to dress like and so there's no way it's just like, Oh, it's National fbla week, we're gonna wear Hawaiian shirts. You're like, What? What? Why? Why would you do that? doesn't make any sense. So with that said,

Collin 16:24

Oh, brother podcast is doing a spirit week. Hypothetically. What? What? Oh, yes.

Brandon 16:28

Because they can totally see what we're wearing.

Collin 16:32

Okay, so we'll take this to a couple different levels. What What would you have done during a No brother?

Brandon 16:41

podcast? week? And oh, brother, podcast spirit week. All right. Well, the Oh, brother, this is tricky. Right? What are we need to distill this down? What are the themes that make up Oh,

Collin 17:06

brother? Okay, so for me, my motto is, one day, one day has to be watch half of a movie.

Brandon 17:22

So I feel like one day needs to be mismatched clothing day. Because sometimes we're so incredibly random, and our thoughts don't always fit together. Right. So one day is like clothes that don't match

Collin 17:40

this. Like

Brandon 17:43

there's one of them. Okay,

Collin 17:45

that's Oh, I don't know. Aaron. Do you have any ideas?

Aaron 17:53

Forget that your podcasting day?

Collin 17:56

Oh, sure. Forget

Aaron 17:58

was definitely I was Welcome. Hello, Aaron. Welcome. Yeah,

Brandon 18:03

yeah, yeah. Oh, good.

Collin 18:10

I'm sure I'm sure one of them is like read read an obscure book. Day.

Brandon 18:16

True. Oh, there has to be. Eat your third favorite ice cream day.

Collin 18:22

favorite ice cream? That's that one. That one was

Brandon 18:32

one more. One more. One more. Oh man.

Collin 18:37

That's so here's here's what we got watch half a movie day mismatched clothing day forget your podcasting day Thursday have ice cream day

Brandon 18:47

what is another one? I mean, we I mean there's we can you know like

Collin 18:57

talk about Mesopotamia day find your favorite

Brandon 18:59

rock talk about Mesopotamia Yes, favorite rock day? No, I feel okay. For real. I feel like the other underlying message of the show is jet. It's generally very positive vibes we try to put out here right? So we got to have positivity day. Oh, no more negativity in our life. Good news positivity. So say nice things to people day listeners. I hope you're having a great day. Lucky.

Collin 19:28

People day slash good news.

Brandon 19:31

Good news day. That's right. News. Okay.

Collin 19:38

We'll patent that and roll that out next year.

Brandon 19:42

You go but, uh, yeah, we've been,

Collin 19:49

I've been busy. I'm interviewing I'm going to Springfield this Friday, to interview people or a job position. That I technically have no work for, but I have to have the person before I get the work. So,

Brandon 20:05

I mean, that is part of the problem in your particular scenario. Yeah. How many out of the literal hundreds of people? Are you going to be interviewing?

Collin 20:18

before? Yeah. So this has been a very long process. I have many spreadsheets, talking about things that are going on. I paused this job pause with, I had 137 applicants apply 137 to be a dog walker, in town, and I am interviewing five people. On Friday. We did, we did phone interviews with 12 or eight, or something like that was just like a real quick like, 15 minute like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then I'm going to do a longer 30 ish minute one in person

Brandon 21:03

in town, and it's five. So we

Collin 21:07

took our top five, and I told Megan, we'll take those five, we will re rank them. We have a ranking right now. We'll re rank them after that. And then we'll offer the job for the top three and see what who bites and trying to do it. Quickly.

Brandon 21:24

Yeah, I want to say all bytes. Well,

Collin 21:28

I did tell Megan, I mean, I'm not going to offer it to all three at the same time. I was basically Well, yeah, we get our top one. And we offer to them. And if they take it rate will decline everybody. Okay. I see just kind of stair step it down.

Brandon 21:44

Okay, that makes sense. The way you worded it was like, wait, that doesn't make sense. Why would you

Collin 21:49

do that? Yeah, no, they have to fight. That's that's the fifth round is a

Brandon 21:56

is the battle royale

Collin 21:58

to the Girl Scout camp across of Lake Springfield? And I tell them, yes. camp out overnight, I

22:04

put them in the pool. And then.

Collin 22:07

And then the one who walks out in the morning. Get it? Yeah. So

Brandon 22:12

they go. That's a

Collin 22:17

very detailed hiring

Brandon 22:18

process. Yeah.

Collin 22:20

So it's been, it's been good. We're happy with the people that we have. We're also trying to figure out like, maybe we should hire two people. So then we're like, okay, which two people would we want hired together based on schedule true, based on experiences, because we have one lady who, like, ran a dog walking company like 10 years ago, and then stopped. And then she because she retired, and then she moved around the country to be and then she moved back to Springfield to be with her dad. Now she just wants to do something at retirement. So we're like, Well, you'd be really good. But you don't really have like the social media skills and that aspect of the marketing aspect that we're interested in. So do we have someone who has those strengths and we can have the mic train each other and whenever So, trying to do

Brandon 23:07

interesting Yeah, yeah, follow up question. Now this is just a logistics question that I'm interested in. You don't have to like out it so nobody like shows up. But when you're coming from out of town to give an interview, where does one hold interviews for dog walkers?

Collin 23:25

a coffee shop?

Brandon 23:26

Is the answer sequence at a park? No, it's

Collin 23:29

not. No. We thought about going so we know many people who will go to a dog park and just sit on a bench and talk to the person as a way to be like,

23:39

hey kid want a job? Like

Collin 23:41

right now they're like okay, look, we'll do the in person interview at a dog park. And but we don't want to do that because we don't really feel like personally shaggy dog park, it's on the nose. But also dog parks are really unsafe in almost every aspect you can imagine. And so that's not some place we would want our employees going with the dock. Yeah. And so we don't we didn't want to set that tone with them of like, yeah, we went on an interview there but ever go there on your own or whatever, though. Yeah. We and because we're trying to get a lot more. I need someone who's really personal someone who really connects with others because this is my first hire in a city who's going to be partly responsible for helping us from a business and make connections there that we just can't remotely write though. Yeah, I kind of making it so that we are talking in a more intimate setting at a coffee shop. means that a I get to drink coffee all day but be see how how they felt they do in a more one on one setting.

Brandon 24:55

And that the secret interview question is what coffee did they order? Exactly right? If it's just the wrong one, you're like, no, I'm sorry, I can't hire you. What do you do and drinking that you get out?

Collin 25:07

Oh, yeah. Yeah, so we've, I've picked, I picked the coffee shop that will all just kind of camp out in all day and

Brandon 25:16

make it work. But

Collin 25:19

yeah, we're still trying to go through our questions. Because right now I have like, 14 questions. And that's too many to cover. Especially with follow ups, and things. So

Brandon 25:32

where a lot of them are more dog knowledge,

Collin 25:39

I do kinda want to put them on the spot, because I was one thing that I've learned was like, he wanted to be comfortable. So you get honest answers. But I do need to kind of grill them a little bit, just to a see their thinking process, I need to see their thinking process. And see, because you're going to get quite you get weird questions all the time. And it's okay to try and answer and say, I don't know, but I'll get back to you. And that's something that I can learn. Like, that's a perfectly acceptable answer to me for many of these things. Like, how do you hit a dog with a broken toenail? There's a lot of ways to answer that. And one of them may be you know, I've never experienced that. But here's how I handle a cut on me. And how I would do that. So anyways, um, and

Brandon 26:24

furiously Google things. I'm going to look at web me for pets.

Collin 26:31

And in one of the questions that we asked during the phone interviews, like I, we wrote out all of our expected answers, and then I, I didn't even realize what the actual answer I wanted was until like, the second to last person

Brandon 26:47

gave it to you.

Collin 26:49

Because I had, what I asked was, I said, I set them up. And I said, you know, we run schedules with time Windows, or meeting at people's houses to do the walks. So we have two hours. So if they wanted to walk at 10am means we could show up as early as nine or as late as 11. And that gets a lot of flexibility. But sometimes that's not enough. And we run late. So if you're running late to a client's appointment, what would you do?

Brandon 27:19

Right, okay. Here's what everybody said, I would text the client,

Collin 27:24

and let them know that I was running late. I wouldn't give excuses. I would just explain that I would notify them as soon as I got there. And that I would still stay the time that I had scheduled, you know, the allotted 30 minutes. Then one person said, then one person said was, well, I would call the boss and let them know that I was running late. And then I would notify the client. And I was like, Okay, I'm the boss.

Brandon 27:51

Yeah, you gotta let Oh, no. The revelation I would call the boss and like, I can see the revelation on your face like I'm the boss now. Call me

Collin 28:22

there, put a call. And that's exactly what I wanted. Of course, there's no, right, I guess.

Brandon 28:39

So, Aaron, we need to give Collin some interview questions. What do you think, are some absurd questions he should ask his prospective employees to get them thinking on their feet. Any ideas? is really real zingers just to throw out at him?

Aaron 28:56

Well, I always like, or not like the questions or it's like that. That's designed to make people question that this is the job that they want. Like, the questions is like, so you came across, and there's like a stab victim. And you're just like, Wait a second, what? What am I getting myself into? That's the kind of questions columns neat column needs to ask. Because the that then provides like, this, this, this person's got Moxie. I like that you're hired.

Collin 29:29

You know what? That's actually really good. Because I will I will let you a little insight here. One of the questions that I see very frequently on petsitter Facebook group, and this is this is not just as I was getting ready to transition here, I checked a Facebook group because there was a question that came up.

Brandon 29:47

And it was this. Hey, guys,

Collin 29:51

what do I do? I got over to my client's house and they were there and naked in the living room. That happens all the time

Brandon 30:04

you just you awkwardly stand in the doorway be like so do you still want your dog walked or like

Collin 30:09

to ask them what come at you you arrive in the morning and your client is hasn't left yet they're naked in the kitchen. What do you do?

Brandon 30:23

Yeah other questions I think what what is the appropriate EDC for a dog walker?

Collin 30:40

Because you know we do request them to say we do ask like are you capable of walking in all weather and everyone just Yeah. But more appropriately like how would you dress? Or how would you Yeah, put yourself in a lot of that stuff

Brandon 30:53

like we own a raincoat? Exactly.

Collin 30:57

Like we will be supplying some of the equipment but it would be good to just to know like okay how are you thinking what is prepared mean to you to go out on the walk?

Brandon 31:07

Yeah, see? They go see look at this question good stuff Good job here

Aaron 31:18

i mean i i definitely face those like random moments of like oh this is not how I plan my day on going so this is what you would need to ask yourself are those people who are interested in this job is like hey look you might this one night might not be the job that you're actually expecting like it's not just gonna be like oh here's a dog here's you know you're walking it and boom you're done. Like they're like you're gonna face daily life stuff while walk walking a dog so what are you willing are going to be prepared for and then

Brandon 31:52

go from there Yeah, I think that's wise. Yeah. Clever. Yeah,

Collin 31:57

that's true is it is it's it's a lot there was a guy who he was he was an older gentleman in retirement looking for something to do part time and I was like great awesome this is very part time. Matter of fact it's so part time it's basically zero right now. Yeah the part so exactly it's just part there's there's literally no time it's just part and he was very interested in in just the dog walking and he would be calling me all the time he was like you know I know that the that the the job ad said that I'd have to do will do XYZ but I'm not really interested in now I just want to do the dog walk so that's something that I could do and I had to explain to him like four or five times like no no like that's not that's not this position this position is not just a dog walker like dog walker admin social media guru all wrapped up into one and we need that we cannot have it right like I've got a that's what I need and he kind of hard to explain that to him and I felt kind of bad but it is more a disposition is more than just dog walking but be dog walking is more than just talk walking just period

Aaron 33:14

yeah

Brandon 33:14

that's true too. That's like you know you have that vision in your head just like strolling with the dog down the street but there's it is more than that

Collin 33:23

you know? Or like especially going into the winter time you know, like with the weird dark all the time asked me darker five o'clock and your last checking of the days at seven Are you okay walking down the street with like very few street lights with the dog but 30 minutes like exactly comfortable with that. Like how will you do you have a flashlight? You have a flashlight Do you have reflective gear do you carry mace? You have a headlamp Exactly. The single greatest image and by the way, like just a being a dad like headlamp is total game changer for everything that I do. I don't have dad held a mag light in his mouth. Dealing with us. I did that once. No, no, that I needed is disgusting. This is I can't do that.

Brandon 34:17

Oh, yeah.

Collin 34:18

I mean, yeah, you're right. Yeah,

Brandon 34:20

that's good. What's the preparedness thing? Yeah. flashlight. high visibility jacket. Funky bunk pack cared. T shirts.

Collin 34:34

They're gonna get they're gonna get some of that to ask

Brandon 34:36

them. Ask them. How would you explain your job to a policeman that pulls you over?

Collin 34:45

You walk into a house and the client forgot to turn off their alarm and didn't give you the code. What do you do in the cop to 10 minutes later?

Brandon 34:54

Yeah, they go scare him off like oh no,

Collin 34:59

I'm you print it happens all the time. Yeah.

Brandon 35:05

Just sit on the front porch with my business card at hand. say, look, here you go. Here's why I'm here. Here's my shirt. Blam.

Collin 35:12

I walk your dog or be on the phone with the club exec. There's so many things you can do.

Brandon 35:17

Yeah. But yeah, don't run. That's number one. Don't leave the scene. Stay, stay, please stay.

Collin 35:29

Oh, my goodness. It will be fun. I'll be highly caffeinated and highly costed

Brandon 35:36

all day. Yeah. So a tangential follow up question. As is the norm here. Yeah. For you and Aaron. So we've discussed coffee shop drinks before. But importantly, when you're in the coffee shop to drink what pastry are you looking for? To accompany your coffee drink? Yeah. I I when I, um, I guess. Yeah, so hard question. It is hard. Because the real hard interview questions here ladies and gentlemen.

Collin 36:29

The hardest hitting reporting, you know, I'm, I'm pretty, pretty basic, you know, with with a lot of stuff. But really what comes to my mind is, depending on the drink, I'm probably just looking for something like a croissant or a chocolate croissant. where they've got the bar of chocolate in the middle and they wrap it around. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Actually had that this morning. I just had black coffee and a croissant. It was just really good. I don't know like, it's really, really nice.

Brandon 37:09

But anyone else? Yeah, Aaron. Thoughts?

Aaron 37:16

I don't worry. I'm not really like a pastry person. Like granted the only true coffee place I go to is either like Starbucks or McDonald's coffee. Or this place called evergreen coffee. Which is kind of like a local II place.

Brandon 37:34

Oh, nice. That's like

Aaron 37:37

my drink is not really coffee. It's the ice no ice vanilla coffee basically. And so I don't I don't really get much of a saying of what what kind of coffee I drink but like pastries like I just don't get there in the morning like Oh man, I need you know, a pastry. That's not like where my mind goes weirdly. And so I just

Brandon 37:56

didn't know anything at coffee shops. Do you go for like the sandwich thing? Do you go for just like the bagel? Cookie? Like oh well. cheesecake. Some people dislike cookies, right? Because they have cookies Souza back oh yeah no I just want that cookie man.

Aaron 38:15

Thank no for me it's like it's just like the little sausage biscuit thing. Typically Okay, or play a little things like that. Like that's kind of what that's usually what my vibe is. Just to go go something

Brandon 38:28

that's allowed that is allowed will allow that. And then like, yeah,

Aaron 38:35

I say my coffee ever share is not like ever the best and I'm not known for my coffee expertise. I pretty much get the same thing for the past like seven years basically.

Brandon 38:49

I mean, as a person who drinks predominantly black coffee, now I cannot like hate it for that right like it's like I'm right there with you man. I yeah, I've drink black coffee or like those like americanos right or the if you're in literally any other country in the world the long black pants I'm going for it. Yeah, just espresso and hot water. Boom. Nailed it. So like I sometimes I do like the pastry because it is like the bitterness of the coffee. I do sometimes like sometimes not every time but I do like a pastry and I am a bear claw guy.

Collin 39:25

Oh yes. like a like a bear claw. I was gonna add that if the croissant is not available or it has to be tasty. I'm out of

Brandon 39:35

stone. All classics can only like stone. We have a recipe that we make. And the kids love. It's pretty easy. And those are good morning.

Aaron 39:50

So I wasn't as easy. Grab them. I will say we had in World Geography today. I was talking with my students about kosher food with a lot of like the Jewish food. And for bonus points kids can bring in like, you know if they baked it or whatever they can bring kosher food in and I had like a hand like three or four of them who actually like made stuff and one of them was kind of like this breakfast II cookie thing that you like dip in your coffee. Oh, it was so good. I don't I don't know what it's called. I need I need to get the recipe because I saved it. They kept bonus points. They actually brought the recipe, but I pretty much had I had a snack day basically I had like a kid bring in like this. You know, cinnamon apple cake thing is so good. And the last thing this girl brought was this little like, breakfast cookie thing that's like, Oh, yeah, it's really all chocolate chip. And yeah, you can. You're supposed to dip into your coffee. And it's got like chocolate stuff and

Brandon 40:56

I have coffee. So

Aaron 41:01

yeah, that's what I had for my kind of like afternoon snack and I absolutely treasured it. So I need to get more of that. So if I if that's kind of like, considered more breakfast things, and I will I would definitely add that to

Brandon 41:11

my list. Yeah, all right. There we go. Nice.

Collin 41:16

Which I think is a sense memory of mom always getting the bus Scotty. And having those around.

Brandon 41:23

Don't like biscotti? It's too. It's like a break, man. Here we go.

Collin 41:32

Well see, here's the thing. If you remember those little bags

Brandon 41:34

in that tin thing, right? It's a

Collin 41:37

it's a brick. I don't like them for like 99.99999% of life. But then you leave it in for a 1,000th of a millisecond too long and the coffee is just completely disintegrates. impulse in the bottom in terms of mush, mush crumble and you're like, well, that's disgusting.

Brandon 42:01

And speaking of I just had a sudden memory rush of coffee cake. This used to make or have or buy or something. I don't really know where it came from. There was coffee cake frequently. I really liked that. And I haven't really had it since then. I don't know. If I still like coffee cake.

Collin 42:24

I'm confirmed, burned whenever that recipe got or what where that was

Brandon 42:29

and I don't know or where the heck she bought it. I don't really even know where it came from. I know it was there. I don't know I can't remember if she made it or bought it. Ever she's making blueberry muffins a lot. And speaking of memories that like things that you don't really realize, like I was unaware that berry muffins came without streusel topping. Long time in my life. I had one but I was like older I was like what? Why is this stuff? Why would you? Why would you not have stuff on this? Yeah, this is awful. What's going on with

Collin 43:15

this? What Why are you committing this hate crime against me? And the key

Brandon 43:20

word Yeah, why? Why would you not want crumbly topping gas

Collin 43:32

part is

Brandon 43:33

literally the best part of the muffin and a large number of people are like No, I don't want that. I don't want extra joy in my life. You're like Okay, great. Thanks. Yeah, so second second best breakfast pastry. Truthfully, blueberry muffin, as I have the crumbly stuff on it, though. Yeah, that's the money, right? That's true.

Collin 43:51

Oh, yeah. It's always depressing when you're like blueberry muffin. Awesome. And it's like, oh, this is

Brandon 43:57

because in my from childhood, when she used to make all this all the time, like, my, my, my vision of what a blueberry muffin is. Yeah. Has the crumbles on it. Right? Like, in my mind. The essence of a blueberry muffin contains the topic stuff. And when it's not there, I'm just like, man, like, what

Collin 44:25

is the

Brandon 44:26

sad times? Just like this connection that I have made in my brain where that that is a blu ray referred. You know?

Collin 44:40

That's what it is. Well, speaking speaking of sad times, I think we should probably transition into our book.

Brandon 44:59

Oh, man. sad times abound

Collin 45:02

that captors toe we have an assignment to read chapters two and three of outsiders. Those of you who are interested in going back in earthing to our critique of the first chapter can go back and listen to over the podcast on time elongated itself. Did quick side note before we dive in, we were listening to the first episode in the car because that's what we do when we take kids to school today. And like Noah freaked out because Lily and I were talking over the intro and he wanted to hear the title of the episode. He was like stuff that he actually said I need to hear the funny thing.

Brandon 45:48

That's right. No. You tell him but he

Collin 45:52

had to be quiet while he could hear. Genki glucan glue, dig?

Brandon 45:59

Right, let's still together by the way. Holding strong. We pulled it inside, because it was super windy last night. We didn't want to chance. But it's been holding together. Well.

Collin 46:10

Yeah, it's been.

Brandon 46:12

Yeah. So, uh,

Collin 46:14

Aaron, I know you didn't get a chance to read all much of these chapters. But you didn't. didn't miss a lot

Brandon 46:24

of chapter three. Yeah. So we'll we'll give you the basic info and you'll be ready to go for the next time. It's not like we're still in the exposition mode. Right? But I will say just a general vibe check. I I enjoy the chapters two and three. Far more than I did chapter one. Ah, gotcha. Right. For some reason, at chapter one. I just didn't like it. It was just so like ham fisted. I like but chapter two and three, they made a lot of sense. We have like continuations of things in it. I like it a lot more. So. Okay. So, so we're starting anyway, I like chapter two. And three. Better? Well, two, especially. Three was a little like, What? Why, but again, yeah. So if you want to kick us off with a brief brief synopsis of where we are so far, I just like to check to stuff. Yeah, there they go. They're going to the drive in as dantata. But they're not driving. Now they're walking or paying. Because Ain't nobody got time for that when you can do crimes and be cool. So like, that's kind of the character development here. They're going with Dally, right? Super gangsta Dally, and they all have the money to get in. But they're just like, now we're sneaking in. It's way cooler to do that. So they sneak in. And apparently, this is something that I was unaware of. Because driving culture is not a thing anymore. There was there apparently is action to tougher walk ins, people. So there's like the driving in this movie theater. Anyway, there's a section for driving. And then there's a section to sit if you've walked there. So if you have come standard car, there's a place for you to sit and watch the movie. So I couldn't I guess I don't know if they're like on the ground. I have no theory like dump bench. I don't really understand what's happening.

Collin 48:38

Yeah, but there was sort of seating arrangement like because they sound like they were you know, they plop down over the seat or they were sitting in Yeah,

Brandon 48:47

and the girls were in the front row it or something like that. So like, yeah, I'm guessing they're like benches, like a bleacher situation perhaps, like janky football bleachers, right? So they go and there's some girls there and they sit down and Dally starts being a jerk face to them, as he's wants to do. And then he leaves and sort of pony and Johnny kind of hit it off with these girls who are named cherry and, Marcia that right? Yeah. arsia Right. Right. My name is Sherry. But she goes by cherry. Yeah, that's what's happening. Today meet girls at drive in movie. garden. shenanigans ensue, basically. Right? Jerry hates Dally. He's like, Yo, I'm gonna get you some sodas. And she's like, you can get it all you want. I'm not drinking your nasty soda. And he's like, yeah, whatever, blah. And she he brings it back and he gives the girl says and Marcy just like downs that sucker. She's like, free, free soda. Sweet, bro. And chugs. Down. Cherry throws it at him. Like I said it in watcher nasty soulja boy. Good. Funny. So set her up as a strong willed individual to be sure. Yes. Yeah. We also learn that pony boy, is his just actual name his real name. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I figured it was like a nickname. Like everybody else, you know, was a nickname. Nope. Real name. Surprise. Okay. That's weird cuz he goes on this whole thing. Like, she asked him his name. And he's like, Well, I didn't want to tell her because I'm embarrassed like, yeah, I could see why. Because it's your actual name. Yeah.

Collin 50:57

Yeah. And then, at some point, while dallies off who's the who's the third character that comes in joins them a two bit shows? Yeah, two bit shows up in is basically like, oh, Dally slash and tires, he may get in trouble. And they have this weird, like, philosophical discussion about what it means to hang together. And like, well, well, you know, he's gonna he gets roughed up. That's all that's on him. But because, you know, he got caught. He was supposed to do that. But if we need that other group group tomorrow, you know, they'd show up because that's what we do. We stick together. And cherry and Martha are kind of confused by this, because they're like, that's a weird code of ethics to stick to.

Brandon 51:46

Yeah, yeah. So then we start diving into this weird like, pair of the parallel universes of the greasers in the Sosa's, right that kind of outlines the rest of the chapter. Yeah, they talk about a lot of stuff they talk about like they go to the they go get popcorn, or is that what happens? They go get popcorn in Tony and chair. You're talking right?

Collin 52:12

she asked about like, what about what happened to Johnny, right? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Brandon 52:17

So that we get the backstory what happened to Johnny, he was jumped by four dudes in a blue Mustang. dot dot dot for later. And they beat heck out of him and left him in an alleyway. So now he's like, super jumpy and carries a giant knife with him everywhere he goes. He is not about to get jumped again.

Collin 52:37

Well, another bit of foreshadowing here. The quote was, nobody was ever going to beat him like that again. Not over his dead

Brandon 52:43

body. Yeah, so it's confirmed Johnny's dying, like officially. But they talk about like, they start talking about I can't find it here. Something about. They do that and they're all like, Oh, yeah, she's like, God, not all not all Sosa's like that man. You know, we're not. And she started talking about the hard life of the soul. Right? About how like, they have everything. Yeah, they have everything and they don't, so they don't strive for things. They just sort of exist in this world. And they try to like, they just like seek things, but they don't ever really know what they're seeking. Yeah, right. What do you say? So she kind of sums it up and says like, yeah, you know, Sosa's don't feel at all and greasers feel to violently or something like that.

Collin 53:40

Totally responds with that's why we're separated. It's not money. It's feeling you don't feel anything and we feel too violent. Like oh yeah, that's

Brandon 53:49

pony says that you're just like, you're like all right. I mean, I kind of I kind of get what they're going with though. Like the socialists they have all this stuff. So they're just like looking for thrills? Yeah, because they're not like struggling so like they have all their so like on the Maslow hierarchy of needs, they have all their basic needs met, right? And so they're like, looking for excitement and these like, other things like that some weird words that I didn't really understand. Like, you know, they're going dancing and they're doing this stuff and they're doing all that crazy stuff. So like, yeah, she's

Collin 54:26

like, she would excitedly talk about being to a dance even though she didn't care for it because that's you know, was she was looking for that thrill. And I think this was an interesting contrast to how chapter two started with Why did Dally not pay to get in? Because he got because it was just, it was because it was a thrill. Yeah, had the money they all had the money, but he did it anyway. And reading through this was like, okay, like, like, I'm seeing a lot of these parallels of like, how people are acting and like That's just they're doing they're acting out in different ways, but it but it's from the same concept of people doing stuff just because because they're looking for a little bit of a thrill in their life and trying to add meaning to it, because they don't have it around them because of whatever situation they're in. They're all looking for meaning in in their, quote unquote boring or mundane or predictable live.

Brandon 55:26

Yeah. So that's, that's kind of where it ends, they go back, they take popcorn back, and they like, sit there and then they kind of like they're like, Alright, well, it's time to go, I guess. Right? And so chapter three is like them leaving. Right? They leave the movie, walking in. Yeah, and they leave and the girls that we find out the girls boyfriends, were probably drunk, and the girls didn't want to be around them. So they just yeah, that's why they're sitting by themselves. Yeah, cuz they're like, I'd hold him I'm not gonna hang out with him when he's drinking. So we left so yeah.

Collin 56:01

And so yeah, so they're they're like, well, we need to get home so they just walk they're gonna walk to to bits house to get the car to then drive. Yeah. And drive us because they're kind of long.

Brandon 56:12

Yeah.

Collin 56:13

And this is where

Brandon 56:16

this is where they talk about the rat race race. Yeah, I've got the wrong spot. Now, while they talked about the other, the other sociological divide is a socialist thing. The Beatles are awesome. And Elvis sucks. Right. And greasers think Elvis is awesome. And the Beatles suck. This is the other big point of contention that they referenced right at the beginning of the chapter, like the first page of the chapter. Yeah, obviously, yeah. Anyway,

Collin 56:44

this is also where basically like, everyone is kind of involved in each other's conversation. And ponyboy and Jerry are having this. And I don't know where this falls.

Brandon 56:56

But

Collin 56:58

he starts talking about how she likes to look at the sunset. And he said, I shook my head, it seemed funny to me that the sunset she saw from her patio. And when I saw from the back, that was the same one, maybe the two different worlds we lived in where it's a different way, at least all the same sunset. And I will say that I'm not sure exactly when I became Cognizant enough to realize that concept of, Oh, this star that I'm looking at, there are billions of other people looking at the star simultaneously, or you know that you're able to look outside of yourself and realize that other people were experiencing the same world that you were just in a slightly different manner. Like, I feel like that's a pretty big concept to have. And to realize, like it's kind of ground shaking whenever you really think about that. There's a bigger world out there and people are experiencing it, too.

Brandon 57:49

That's true. But that concept was also introduced to us at a young age in American tale, because that's what fibl is doing when he's looking for a sister. They have that whole song and they're both looking at the moon, right? So similar themes, right? Yeah, they go ahead, get it. Welcome. Anyway. Yeah, that's in this part somewhere, they start talking. They also have a very long conversation about sodas, old horse that wasn't really his horse, but he loved the horse. Because soda loves rodeos and horses. And you're

Collin 58:24

like, what weird concept that I was like, I was not expecting to be talking to reading about rodeos in this book. Okay, I didn't know that.

Brandon 58:32

But then you remember, do you remember the author is from Tulsa, Oklahoma, so of course, they go to rodeos? Of course. That's what tough kids do. Right? They

Collin 58:40

go to rodeos. They're like, yeah, we're I mean character right on his

Brandon 58:44

horse, pony boy. Yes. And his brother's real life name is also sodapop.

Collin 58:51

Yeah, well, this is. This is where we start seeing a bit of the breakdown of the family structure where so ponyboy starts talking mostly out of turn, but lamenting his older brother, and how

Brandon 59:05

Yeah, cuz she asked him because he never talks about dairy. He only talks about soda. Yeah. And so basically, I don't somewhere in here he starts talking about like, dairy doesn't care about me. He doesn't love me He doesn't even want me around. And tibbett basically turns around and smacks the heck out. And he goes you don't know what thing you're talking about why you don't talk about about your brother like that. He just like whacks him right in the face. Like right in front everybody there just like in the car talking. And he says that intubate like turns around just belts

Collin 59:35

him Yeah, which to me looking at that going like there's a lot in that were two bit knows a lot more to the story than pony back

Brandon 59:46

because two bits closer to dairy, right? They go way back so they go way back. He knows all this stuff.

Collin 59:51

Yeah, that we don't know, obviously, but we don't know because ponyboy doesn't know it and we're seeing the world through ponyboy his eyes. Yeah, exactly. So there's a lot That dairy is either doing sacrificing struggling with whatever that he doesn't let her have

Brandon 1:00:04

sacrificed in the past but he does it again we do have a very limited perspective we do have only ponyboy his point of view in this whole book so we do there's a lot of you do get these elements of like there is more going on that we're not aware of yet and like you said too bit knows what's up. That's why he smacks him in the head right? He also mouths off to Johnny which makes to the angry as well. Yeah, you know, cuz it's like, Johnny we do it. You know?

Collin 1:00:36

But John's family are wanting him Yeah,

Brandon 1:00:39

but he's like yeah, he goes shut up Johnny. Your family don't want you around either. Johnny's like Well yeah, but you didn't have to say

Collin 1:00:48

Yeah, got like this.

Brandon 1:00:49

I mean, I know but Geez.

Collin 1:00:52

About this time the Mustang a blue Mustang comes around drives by guys by delta time. And you can really see that they're the boyfriends of for mission boyfriends looking for not out if they're looking for them. But they found Terry mark. I saw them in the car with him or whatever. or walking walking around, can't remember and there's kind of a little bit of push and pull here and one big ask. But outbursts that I noticed is kind of the tensions are rising and I chair Terry Terry burst out she says no, stop it. will ride home with you. Just a minute. I hate you know, she talks about Yeah, I can't stand fight. I can't stand I can't stand. Oh, yeah.

Brandon 1:01:37

Cuz they pull up, they roll up on to bit. They're walking at this point. And they roll by to it. And they're like, there's four more of us in the car and to be just casually goes, that's fine. And he breaks a bottle that he picks up off the ground and he throws Yeah, he throws pony, a knife, and Johnny whips out his switchblade. And he's like, come on, man. Let's go. And then the girls like no, no, no, we don't like fighting. I told you we don't like fighting. And that's when they stop. But, you know, then they have that moment of ponies like, you know, I wouldn't have done that. And she's like, I know, but I didn't want to make you. Yeah. Which, which makes me think they have that kind of. Yeah, go ahead. Oh, no, I was fine. No, no. Cuz I was gonna move on to the next thing.

Collin 1:02:26

It makes me think about again, we're talking about like, what are people's different backgrounds? What do we not know about other people's in their perspective? Because we're ponyboy learning about this. What is are we going to learn about Cherry's background? And why she doesn't like bites? Is she exposed? Yeah, why she's so like, cuz that was a pretty visceral reaction that we haven't seen her act out so far, because she's pretty late. But it's pretty cool and calm and tough this whole the whole time. And then when this gets to this point, she can't she shutter. Scary. shutter can't stand by it. I can't stand them. Yeah. And you're like, Okay, there's a lot here that I wonder if we're going to learn more about home life or past experiences that, you know that because all this is about making, understanding why people are the way they are. And that at the end of day, we're not all that different, because we've all experienced things. And we're dealing with those experiences. And so that was just a little tidbit that I really highlighted really quick because like, this will be interesting to see if you know where this

Brandon 1:03:25

goes. Yeah, and then like there's this really awkward, like goodbye between cherry and pony where they're all like, She's like, Hey, you know, if I don't like, talk to you, cuz he recognize she's a cheerleader at school. He goes to right. And she's like, yeah, you know, when I don't talk to you next week. Don't take it personal. And he's like, yeah, I won't. I know. I know the drill. And then kind of have this things like, you know, we couldn't let our parents see you with you all. You know, you're nice and everything. He's like, yeah, it's alright. It's cool. I think she just says, Man, I could fall in love with Dolly. I hope I never see him again. Or I will and you're like, that's, that's the last thing you say to podi What? Did I get? a really weird like jarring sentence? Like she's all like, Yeah, man. It's alright. Just don't forget. Oh, yeah, cuz he's all like, Just don't forget some of us watch sunsets, too. Yeah. And then she's marked out. I could fall in love with us, Winston, I hope I never see him again. Or I will. I feel like what? What? I'm going What happened? She's just like, blowing it off and playing it cool. Because she feels the same way. You know, I feel like it's almost like that. Like, she's like, blowing that line off. Yeah. Try not to not to engage with what he said before. But like, it's really if we're,

Collin 1:04:51

oh, no, that was Yeah. And then there's the the cooldown period where they walk home and he and Johnny fall asleep in a lot are on a roof

Brandon 1:05:04

or some Yeah, they're just like they go outside they're smoking and they like laid out in this abandoned lot down the road. Yeah. Which is where all the action happens in this book apparently is this abandoned lot and right we're in a band and locked everywhere. Yep all right yeah there he starts talking about like he's again he's drifting off asleep this is another ponyboy character trait where he like drifts off and like daydreams about like a weird stuff. He's talking about like moving to the country and so to have an A horse again and blah, blah blah and all this weird stuff the country

Collin 1:05:34

Yeah, playing he just wanted to be plain ordinary people. And well, that's what Johnny said then like, as he says, I can't take this much more, I'll kill myself and john ponyboy says, Don't can't and he said, Well, I won't, but I gotta do something. There's got to be someplace without preserver. Sosa's. Just plain ordinary Pete Yeah. Yeah. And then he goes into that. Yeah.

Brandon 1:05:59

And that's what he starts talking about any daydreams. His mom and dad are still alive. And then like, he dreams that Johnny comes and lives with him in the country. And then, like, Johnny, then like, all of a sudden, Johnny's like, shaking and be like, yo, wake up.

Collin 1:06:14

Yeah. Cuz it's like, he doesn't know what time it is. And he's got to be home. And so he runs off

Brandon 1:06:19

and encounters dairy.

Collin 1:06:24

Who, yeah, they're all at home. Yeah. Dairy. Yeah. Cuz it's apparently like really late. Yeah. And dairy is not happy. And it really, really lays into two ponyboy about being late.

Brandon 1:06:39

And it's two o'clock in the morning. That's what time it is. So yeah, he's like, super mad.

Collin 1:06:47

Yeah, he's really Yeah, he's really laid into him about, you know, you'd never think that's dumb. Like, you'd never think do you? That's you're always up there. Never paying attention and all that stuff. And, and pony doesn't.

Brandon 1:07:02

Doesn't take it very well. Does he? Oh, no, no.

Collin 1:07:07

Well, that's also because dairy slaps him. lapsim. Yeah, I completely forgot about that part.

Brandon 1:07:15

Where? Yeah, he slapped him. Yeah, because he, J. pony, excuse me. All these names right together my brain. He's like, screaming at him. You know? he's screaming at him. Like, blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, oh, Gary yells at soda. Yeah, cuz sodas like, bro, just calm down

Collin 1:07:41

and wait, comes his defense and says, Don't yell at him. A dairy turns around and slaps him in the face and then knocked him against the door. It was so hard.

Brandon 1:07:51

Yeah. So he runs out. Yeah, basically, he leaves as he do, and he finds Johnny, who was still down the curb. And they started talking to me, Johnny still talking. Well, he

Collin 1:08:08

just felt like we're leaving Johnny. He's running and he just yells Johnny, we're running away. And Johnny just picks up and joins and runs with it.

Brandon 1:08:16

Yeah, Johnny's like, All right, cool. Let's go.

Collin 1:08:20

And they get tired. And then they sit and smoke and talk.

Brandon 1:08:25

And they're like, Alright, so maybe maybe running away is not the best plan. But no. Yeah, they decided they're gonna go back. But first, they're gonna just walk down to the park before they go back home. And then this chapter ends with a beautiful cliffhanger. The classic things got to get better. I figured they couldn't get any worse. I was wrong. Now we know bad stuffs going down in the park.

Collin 1:09:02

putting together these pieces because we've got Johnny we've got pony boy, do we know Johnny? We know the blue Mustang is out there. We know that he's out by them. We know who those are the same group of people who beat him up. We've already been a little bit foreshadowed here saying that won't you know over his dead body will he get dumped again? Yeah. And you're just like, Okay, well, this would be a fun chapter. And yeah, I didn't it took me a lot to not keep reading here though.

Brandon 1:09:34

Because I didn't I didn't read check for though they go so we did get a lot more character development. There's still a lot of like weird things that are like they don't make sense. And I don't know if they don't make sense. Because they just don't make sense or because we like you said we only have Johnny's perspective so far. Oh, boy. So like, me ponyboy Yeah, you see I'm getting all mixed up. I really yeah, we only have ponies. I really think that is

Collin 1:09:58

what One I think there's some cultural stuff here. That's not doesn't make sense. You know, like for, like when Sherry was talking about the stuff that she does, I was like, I don't know any of the things that you're saying right now, or why this is true. Like I've None of this makes any sense. But I do really think that this, the worldview here just is, I don't know if it's intentionally kept small or just again, the writer of this was in what do we say high school? Or she wrote it? Yeah.

Brandon 1:10:29

Like, it's just small.

Collin 1:10:32

The world is extreme. I

Brandon 1:10:33

think it's it partly it is intentional, because it is kind of I think this is going to be stitched together in just like this one. I don't think this book takes place over just like a huge amount of time. I feel like that's no, that's not, you know, I feel like it's a real short. Like, I mean, so far, we've had like, two days. Right? So it feels like, so it hasn't really been a long time. It's gonna be a pretty condensed timeline. I feel like so I think part of the reason it's kept small is just to narratively to tell this one story. You don't I mean, well, yeah, I think that's intentional to keep the focus very, very, very tight. Focus on what's happening

Collin 1:11:17

on pony. Yeah. And I think being told, yeah, if we ponies eyes, I don't think we're going to get many scenes where pony is not present. He's going to be learning, I think, Well, yeah, you can't. That's why this is stories like this tend to be very engaging, because you are actively learning. It's not like, Oh, well wait till that main character finds out about this because I read chapter three. And that was from this other perspective, like, we're learning in real time. And we're going to come a lot of it like, motivations are going to come to light hear from people in pony circle, that are going to know that that's part of this coming of age is realizing people have their own motivations. And trying to

Brandon 1:12:01

understand those. Yeah, I think you're right, because we do all the now ponies. And so you get hints at other people's like we till we saw some of dallies. Right? We learn a little more about two bit. We know Johnny pretty well. Dally and soda still kind of mysterious, right? We can assume that they're both like you know, they are the older brothers. So there's levels of things happening there that we probably are not privy to, because pony isn't you know, he's at school, so it has dropped out and he's working at a gas station and Dahlia is doing roofing as something construction, right? Yeah. So like, we don't know what they're doing. We don't know their tribulations because he doesn't know them. And he has no idea.

Collin 1:12:51

There's no idea. And yeah, that'll be I'm interested to see where that goes. But so I did like chapters to be a lot more. I'm sure I feel like it's gonna pick up pace. Even

Aaron 1:13:06

more here.

Brandon 1:13:08

Yeah, I think so. Because it did start rolling pretty good through those two. So which again, I think was just a knock on chapter one because chapter one had to introduce everything in so yeah, it feels it just out of chapters. One, two and three, one feels like wildly out of place. And then two and three go like really well together. So it's like What was that? Yeah, there you go. Aaron, you're all caught up.

Collin 1:13:46

So yeah, next time we'll read chapters or in five

Brandon 1:13:52

All right. How many chapters? There's only 12 Yeah. I think that's right. And it's pretty short.

Collin 1:14:06

Yeah. Any chapters?

1:14:08

Cool. Well, yeah, well

Brandon 1:14:17

actually might only be fun. Oh yeah. All right. Yeah. Well, Chapter

Collin 1:14:31

well, Bill Okay. Well, we will do chapters four and five for next week. And, and we'll go from there.

Brandon 1:14:44

Alright,

Collin 1:14:45

that's all I got. Alright, sounds good to me. Okay, I got you guys.

Brandon 1:14:53

Let me do everything.