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Collin is thriving. Brandon has found rabbit holes. The problem: The King has woken up.

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Collin, Brandon

Collin  00:04

Music. Welcome to Oh brother, a podcast where we try to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon and Collin on this week's show the second S ahoy ahoy. It is a day. Oh,

Brandon  00:21

always good. Always good. When you start off like,

Collin  00:26

you know, it's one of those of like, Man, I don't know. I've never had where it's just like, my my throat itself is like, tender to the touch, but it doesn't hurt when I talk like, this is weird.

00:41

It's very weird. Weird. And then, like,

Collin  00:43

it's okay, and like, I'm fine, like, everything's fine. I can, like, I can sing, I can do all this stuff. But when I, when I talk, when I go to swallow, it's like, the fact when I, when I touch my throat or swallow, it's like, this is not good. I need to not do either of those activities. Well, one of those is very important for Uh huh, yeah, um, recommended by most, yeah, that's a good I just have normal runny, stuffy nose, so I was in like, normal mode. Like, nice, yeah, it's September, pretending it's going to be fall, and it's like, oh, I think what happened was, what threw me into this has been something that's kind of been like, in the background generally, since we got back from the conference. But it's like, I really think that the week that we were gone really threw off my body for what was expecting to come back to, because in that one week we had like, the last little bit of like, of of hot temperature back. Because remember, September is a liar. I Yeah. So, yeah, I just came back in and my body was like, well, we're doing the great you know, insert screeching sound of tires everywhere, and you're here it is. But yeah, it's been, it's been interesting. Been surviving and thriving. Oh, dear, what is that? Oh, haven't been getting a lot of sleep. Though. I've been going through this phase where it's like, I get really tired around like, nine o'clock, and then, if I'm not as like in bed and ready to go shortly thereafter, like I'm awake till midnight or more,

02:48

second wind kicks in. Yes,

Brandon  02:50

you're like, oh, here I am forever. Oh, it's wonderful. It's wonderful. It's not wonderful. But yeah, I haven't been sleeping either. I do have one, like I had one night where I could not go to sleep, like I kept waking up and had really, like, weird dreams, right? But I have, like, I kind of pinpointed exactly why, right? So I may have fallen down this weird YouTube rabbit hole of, well, let me, let me back up here. Let me back up. It's very weird. It's weird to me. There's a lot of different kinds of science, right? Science can be done in a variety of forms, right? But it is very odd to me that there are multiple people studying in the field of insect by instinct pain, right? This is a weird thing, like many people latched on to right, like, Ah, yes, I want to be bitten by terrible, terrible insects and see what it's like. Like, hold on, you're going to what? Mm, hmm. And so I was watching some of these, right? And then I had a dream about, like, a giant spider jumping across the room, and then I just not sleeping the rest of the night after

04:28

that is really kind of how it went,

Collin  04:30

right? It was just like, yeah, sorry.

04:35

I was like, Well, no more of those this week.

Brandon  04:41

Yeah, it's a very weird it's a very weird field of study. And it's even weirder that there are, like many people that decided that, yes, this, this is the field of study which I shall pursue I would like to be bitten by. Giant bullet ants, or, like, just whatever sort of very strange, exotic creature, you know, like Centipede. I think that might have been the one that put me over the edge, because that just don't look like, you don't. I just don't like looking at giant centipedes, right? No, it's just not a pleasant, fun thing to see, and it's even less pleasant and fun when you see it attached to somebody's forearm, whenever it's walking across the ground, let alone, yeah, no, yeah, that's giant mandibles dug into arm. So I don't trigger warning for this, yeah, yeah, sorry. A little late for that one. Like, that's one of the I have one very specific night of not sleeping. Then I'm gonna attribute to that. That would do it. That would Yeah, I think that would be it, right? So I think I didn't help, right? I

06:03

think that was probably already, like, getting slightly ill, right? A little

Collin  06:07

bit. But then, like, throw on some disturbing bug stings, slash bite video stuff is like resistance, really, gonna go for it little it's a thing that's right, certainly something that did happen. It was a plan that I had, right? And I don't know, wasn't the best plan ever, if we're being honest, if we're being honest, right? Like, I just, yeah, it's just a weird thing that multiple people do. That's what I couldn't, like, think about. I was just like, kept thinking like, you know, this is like, lots, not lots, but like, many people do this, like, weird, like, quote, unquote, like professions or areas of expertise that the modern societies and world have afforded people, you know, if you 100 years ago, 1000 years ago, people thought that we'd all be philosopher kings, you know, writing poetry and creating fine art. And know, instead, what we've done with our time is, hey, how badly does this hurt? If this thing bites me? What if? What if I let a giant soldier ant attach itself to my arm, right? Let me describe to you the bite of an assassin bug, like I that. So, yeah, I don't know it's one of those, like, I couldn't look away, but then after a while, I was like, I should really not watch this anymore. This is really not affecting my brain here in a way that I've not prepared for.

08:02

Yeah, I had one night of

Collin  08:03

trauma just from that, right so, you know, we put that behind us. We have to watch anymore. But we got, we're like one video, like lunchtime right now, sleeping time. Uh, because I was talking to one of my friends, right? And they were, you know, we were talking about bugs, right? And, you know, and it's not the bug that's usually the problem unless, of course, it is a, you know, 10 inch long Centipede, then that's very much a problem. But, huh, like, it's the surprise bug, right? That's what it is. That's, it's like the book that you see coming, oh, it's the one that sneaks up on you. Oh, and all of a sudden, you're like, there's a spider on me, right? Now? Ah, right. Yep. Here's why flying bugs are so traumatic, because they're just all of a sudden, like, in your face, they are yes, and suddenly there and everywhere, yeah, we have a little, um, kind of like a basket thing outside of our front door. And for a while, I've been watching, like a wasp come and go from it. I was like, Okay, there's definitely like a nest in there, and it concerns some individuals, enough that I took it upon myself two days ago to rid our front porch of the Wasp and its nest. And so I walked up to the basket and with a broom, and I kind of just banged it really hard. And after the seventh Wasp came coming out,

09:52

like, oh,

Collin  09:54

it was, it was not the same wasp that I saw. Turns out I. I'm really bad at identifying individual wasps. I mean, they do kind of, you said it, I did. That's how

10:10

insect species work, right? You can't like

Collin  10:14

soaps. Then I had like, 11 of them lying around, and I in my last ditch effort to get them away from me, I took my broom and I put it on the basket, and I just along the basket into the front yard so that they would stop trying to come back to the basket. And that really helped. They quickly dispersed. I did have a few uh, moments the wax them with the broom, uh, and batted them away from us. So I

10:51

panic in the yard like

Collin  10:55

I actually, I mean, I was, I mean, it okay. So there were noises of me going, oh. Oh, because that's, that's what the neighbors really enjoyed, that little demonstration. I mean, one of our neighbor west right, like, whoa, one of our neighbors are my in laws, and the other neighbors weren't home, so it's totally fine. But no, it just Noah was watching me, and he was like, What is, what is going on? Like, this is, this is how you take care of wasps. Obviously, as you can tell from me, sometimes going Haya, and other times going, what? Yeah, that's yeah, come on, you got it? It's so, yeah, it's bad, because you can't, like, it's like, the gnat problem. But worse, right? You start flailing around your face, and everyone's looking at you like, there's a bug, I swear, because it's so small. But wasps are a whole new, like, different level of a danger mode, because they'll just, like, sting you right in the face, and they don't even care, just like you, you give Blam, take that. But see those red wasps, those little suckers are terrible, not fun. Every

12:07

other Wasp was like, Oh

Collin  12:08

no, I shall not run away. Red Wasp was like, I shall die by my sword. And then you did it like, Oh no, that he wants the pain. Oh my gosh. So yes. And then, of course, they were the red wasps, so I was with much more gusto of sweeping and swooshing across the air with my hayas, which I think is what vanquished them. Eventually, I am fully convinced, but Yeah, clearly they fled in terror. Yeah, what happened really, ultimately, exactly, that's what happened. They had to bleed because they were a skirt, yeah, obviously, so happens, you know, yeah. So that's a that's an interesting thing to fall down into. And I think it's also one of, it's also a great example of how you start off on those. Those start at the top of the rabbit hole. You're like, oh, this is mildly interesting. Oh, wow, that's That's fascinating. And then at some point, makes that switch to all of a sudden, you're like, oh, no, that was over my threshold. And why is this? Why is this happening? What I there was no way for me to know where the threshold was on insect bites, but I found it true. You know, like, you can watch, I've kind of gotten that sense if you're watching a lot of, like, Russian dash cam videos, if you're like, Oh, the energy is taking a slightly darker turn now, and like, people are actually going to start being injured. I'm out like, it's not funny. I don't, yeah, I definitely have come across a few random dash cam videos. I don't understand why you would like post that. Like, is there a giant audience for people? Like, oh my gosh, more dash cam footage, just what I always wanted. Like, who needs more proof that people suck at driving? Like, who really needs that? Like, you on the fence, you're unsure about people doing baffling things in their driving cars. Like, are you like, confused? Like, oh no, surely is it just situation where, like, Surely it can't get worse. And then, you know, Russian guys, like, have you seen this yet? Like, like, dang it, what? Yeah. And the answer is always, no, I had not seen that, and I really wish I could unsee it. So yeah, there's always that moment where you go, yeah, over threshold. And now I need to get out of this right now. Yeah. I agree, but It's distressing because, like you said, it's like, nope, nope. That was, turns out that was too far. Oh no. I cannot now recover, because I have. I'm already past. I am now thinking, and there's no amount of and with those things, there's no amount of, like, trigger warning or advanced warning that they could do, because the only way that you know is if you see it or it's shown to you, and then again, it's too late. So it's like, it's like, when in my talk, when I like, I've told people before, like, you know, I kind of, I do dive into some topics sometimes, and it's like, look, I would have given you a trigger warning, but I read a research paper about how just mentioning a trigger warning is a trigger for some people, so it doesn't matter. So here we go. Here we go, yeah, that won't be, it won't be helpful, because it'll make it worse for you. Oh no. And then just dreading it as it gets, as it gets closer. So we're just gonna We're going for it. Oh no, yeah, it's bad. It's all gone wrong. Oh no. So what? What else have you been up to? Rather than Oh, overcoming illness, and that's fighting spicy sky raisins. It's been. It's been. This has been a very weird, weird week. We are our Labor Day was basically, like, not busy at all. Like, totally nothing busy. Which is fine, right? Which is fine because we have other times where we've been randomly busy and I'm, like, I wasn't ready, so to have something where, where there's going. Oh, this actually a little bit slower, but that's fine, because I'm, I don't really feel up to managing a lot of things right now. Yeah, right. So we've been, I've still been in recovery mode of getting, trying to get us back in a direction, since we've gotten back and getting the kids back into the swing of things the schedule, but this week I we launched into the brave world of trying to understand Google advertising for our business and this deer. Like, deceptively, it's, it's really easy. Like, I think Google tries to do a lot of things for you, where they can either scan your website and recommend ads for that, or scan your Google Business Listing or Google profile and make ads for that. And so within, technically, with like, three clicks, I could, you know, have these things up and running and moving them, but we're, we're trying to target, like, really, really specific services now, and this is kind of our last ditch. Like, not last ditch, but, like, we really need a surgical tool for these to be able to say, only show me on these searches. Like, yeah, right, because, sure, we're working on the long term SEO solution on our website and stuff. But like, no, I really need this stuff to be in front of people right now, and so that's where we've been been focusing. And it's been weird because we've had so many people who've told us, oh, if you do those, oh man, you'll get let's go. It'll go gangbusters for you. And and, oh, this is how I drew this thing. That's what I do. Blah, blah. So we were like, Awesome. Well, here we go. Let's try this. It's not a crowded market, so we don't need to set a big budget that was other people said they were, like, if you don't have other people in the area, don't like, waste a bunch of money, because you're Who are you competing against? Fair point, fair point. Yeah, so we're on like, day four, and nothing has happened, like nothing, and I'm going, what did I Okay? I guess I need to try again. And I'm, I'm ever increasing, going, Okay, I tried to take this thing and and I this applies broadly across my life. Of like, Okay, I tried to take this thing and I tried to do my own with it. I tried to make it my own, given my current understanding and level of expertise and knowledge, and I tried to do a thing I didn't use the presets, I didn't use the scripts or things like that that other people have provided. I want. I'm going to try to make this my own. And then, like, Well, should I have done the print? Should I just done what Google suggested and mindlessly click the button three times? Like, maybe that. Maybe I think I need to make an ad where that's just what I do, and go. Now, you know what? I'm not even going to think about this. I'm just going to click some buttons and we're going to we're going to see what happens.

19:59

I mean. Yeah, because you have to have something to compare it to, right? You have to have

Collin  20:02

the control test, yes, right? So, like, if you're only doing the I'm gonna change all the variables, and you don't even know what the first thing is supposed to do, yes, so you be successful. So we made, we made one ad, and then, because I was like, Well, I don't know, like, we'll just get this one out there. And then, yes, we did go back and added a second ad to that. And it's, it is pretty neat where what will happen is, if you make one campaign within that campaign, you can do a B testing in that campaign, you don't have to go set up a second campaign to test ads against. It will use all the very handy keywords and everything else, but you just change the text of the ad, and then Google's algorithm will start mixing and matching and displaying, and you get reports on each one that you're ad testing against to see how it's comparing. Again, because it's like, okay, I only want to show up for these 10 keyword searches, but I don't have to make each campaign to have all that. So now it's like, oh, this is actually pretty neat. All the keywords are the same, the geographic region is the same. Everything else is the same, except a couple of changes in the text. And then you can see, oh, this ad got this many clicks and this number of impressions and and you can see, oh, everything was shown because that's the other thing. Google will be like, Oh, it shows it to you. It'll say, Oh, I showed this ad 17 times, and this ad 19 times. I showed this ad 14 times. So you can go, Okay, well, they were all kind of generally displayed the same, but this one got a whole lot more clicks. Let me go look at that one and figure out why. And obviously having to take into account things like, well, the season was different, and what was the purpose behind this? And so that's been kind of fun to dive into and and also going, Okay, here's another thing for me to butts with and try and change and not keep it static and and whatever. And it is also nice that they don't charge you until you get, like, an interaction with the ad. That's very nice, because that is handy. If I was just paying right now and nothing was happening, I'd be I'd be angry, but it's like, well, I'm four days in, nothing's happened, but so I've spent no money, but also, like, I wanted to spend the money, but

22:32

also nothing's happened.

Collin  22:38

Wait, no. Also trying to go, well, I need, I do need to give this time, because the only way to gather good data is for this to sit out there for a little while. But I also, you know, don't want to be wasting opportunities or for other things. So we're trying to go, Is this a 30 day experiment or or do we think we're gonna have, like, you know where to on you get that power curve of like, yeah. How many more samples do I need before I've pretty much got 95% of what I'm gonna get, yeah, we're gonna start flattening out right. Like, your right, your S curve hits the other upper bound, the other s Yes, the second, yes. And that that's what we're trying to figure out now, of going, Okay, we're just gonna sit and monitor and then once we start seeing just consistent keyword searches or consistent impressions, I think we'll, we're not gonna let it run for the full you know, we had originally said 30 days, but we'll see. We'll see what we end up doing here, so that that's been a very interesting part of what we've done recently. Well, that does sound intriguing, right? And it's always weird. Those weird just how targeted that the ads can get with that now, like, because I will see ads for, like, local businesses sometimes on YouTube, or like, random Springfield stuff on there, you know. And so they have the ability now to sort of hone in on, I mean, a lot better than they used to. I would say where it would just be like Springfield, Illinois,

24:21

what? Whatever. Like,

Collin  24:25

like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Now it's not as granular as we now. We have not done this of uh, because I don't again, I targeted anything starts making my skin crawl because I'm like, I had somebody recently said, Well, why don't you just do a geofence, where, when they walk out of a certain pet store, you can ping them with your ad. And I was because that's creepy, and my phone is set to Australia most days to avoid this. Like, if I'm not comfortable with this, be very real. Yeah, so I'm kind of okay of going okay, geographic. We know generally where they are geographically, and we know generally what people are searching for. I want to be seen for that with Facebook. You the dials on these apparently, we have not gone down this road, and I don't think we will. Are like, obscene of like, do you want to target 22 to 24 year olds making between 100 and 1000 $100,000 and $104,000 living on this one block on the left, on the south side of the street. Here you go.

25:33

Good night. What day?

Collin  25:36

Not okay with any of that, because they just hoover up. And if you've never done this, I know you don't have Facebook, but it's, it's terrifying, right? Dig down into Facebook, and they will display the data back to you, of what you're of what you're of, oh, yeah, like we're putting out, yeah, yes, of what they're like, Hey, here's what we've, you know, surmised of who you are. It's one of the most unsettling things in the world, right? Because we're just using Facebook. We're just clicking things, scrolling, liking, you know, painting over, checking out stuff. How much data could they actually be getting? Oh my gosh, all of it they could. Yeah, that's the weird part too. Is it like they them and other companies, right? They really love, like, harvesting the data, yeah? But they kind of, then also don't know what to do with it. They're just like, yeah, ads, I guess. Anyway, uh, that's like it they don't really, yeah, which is, again, some sort of weird, like, capitalist dystopia, of like, well, we can sell you things based on the things we sold you. Like, okay, but like, Can we do something else with it, like, I could sell you this pen. You're like, No, I don't want to sell you a book about how not to be sold to, yeah, right. Like, looks like you're trying to get going off grid. May I suggest a couple Facebook groups about off grid living? Oh, no, that's something that's not damn Yeah, that's the other you have. The pipeline is a real thing, right? Like the like, but so that's fun, as we learned this week. Did you hear the big story from like yesterday where, like, some online media company has actually just been being paid by the Russian government for, like, who knows how long. Yay. This one of those supposedly like, quote, independent media platforms. Okay, sure got you okay,

28:05

that's uh not how that works, but All right, that's uh huh,

Collin  28:11

yeah. So it's one of the yeah of going, Oh right, yeah, because I so every now and then, okay, so I do every now that I'll jump on Twitter, because I'm like, You know what? How? How much worse if my day is going bad, you know what I need to do? I

28:25

need to see, see how bad Elon's day is going. I

Collin  28:28

just need to see, like, what? How bad is somebody else going? Like, it's a little nine, I know. But like, Yeah, I saw somebody post, and they were like, in response to the DOJ allegations. And I was like, this is a strong opening statement, yeah, yeah. When it's an open letter about the DOJ allegations of Russian influence, you're like, Okay, well, things are, things are great in America's free media, everybody we're getting, well, we're really doing okay. We're winning. We're doing it, yeah, right. Like that, yeah, I read something like that too. Like, we did not know that the money was coming from Russia. Like, did you read the script that you were saying before you're saying it? Because kind of is obvious, based on some of the clips that I saw associated with the article. It's like, this is not subtle. Like, what are you talking about? You mean you didn't know? Like, hold on, talking about the motherland. This is kind of weird. No, somebody, one of the quotes was, this is gonna get clipped out of context. I just know it. But one of the quotes was, like, somebody said, like, Ukraine is the greatest threat to American democracy. Like, what? No.

29:57

What are you talking about?

Collin  29:59

Like, hold on, hold on here. That is not a fact. Works even really real at all. Um, they don't know. And then, like, Oh, I didn't know where this message came from. Like, really, for a news organization, you're pretty dense about the current geopolitical climate. You know, there's a small thing happening called the Russian invasion of Ukraine. You know, maybe you've heard of it. It's been happening for way too long now. So maybe when you say words like that, you should think about who wrote that? Yeah, well, can I it's just so weird because, yeah, people get it in that mind of, oh, if you're gonna pay me, you know, half a million dollars a month in some cases, or, yeah, I was being paid $400,000 a month make, like, four videos. It's like, yeah, he has like, $100,000 a video. Like, what turns out, you know, you can, you can, you can actually pay people to say things and do things. And we like to think, no, you can't right. Nobody would ever accept, you know, it's just stop right. We don't live in that area, like we don't, right? Everybody knows that lobbyists exist, so you can't tell me, right? Like I've seen, thank You for Smoking. Thank you very much. All right, I watched madman a little bit. I know how this worked. Oh, oh my gosh. Well, did you so again? Speaking of internet controversies, oh man, there we go. The tea episode. Let's go. I started tea time to see twinning trending on x again, home of all of the wonderful things on the universe, um, dumpster fires, absolute dumpster fires. What I start seeing was the name Churchill was trending. Have you you've seen this? So I this briefly passed across my radar, like today, but I did not have any time to investigate why. Well, this was happening one right, like, I don't know, one former Fox News person is gone, independent, um, was this? Is this? Uh, just hypothetically, has this person produced a video from a Russian grocery store. Look, all I'm saying, This person was shocked at how clean the streets were in Russia. Okay, yeah, absolutely just how amazing it was. What a utopia. Oh, yes. Interesting word to pick there, huh? Where does that personality word come from. This person hosted somebody who started talking about how that the true villain. The true villain was actually Winston Churchill, who egged on and furthered the war effort and drug it on and like was, was the true warmonger of this and that, that, that Hitler guy, you know, he was just trying to protect his people, and he didn't really want to have to do that, really. He didn't want to v2 rocket all of Southern England. He was provoked in doing that completely by other people. This was not his idea. This is what you're telling me. Uh huh. Are you telling me that wasn't Churchill's why? Why? Why the the Germans were like, Hmm, you know what sounds good? Polish land. Yeah. Let's go like, I don't think that's how that works. You see it actually, it actually is and, and I saw this, and I went, Well, nobody's going to believe that, right? Oh, right. I don't ever say that anymore. No, I learned my lesson. The number of people who were out like, Absolutely, I am, I am finally glad that people are talking about this. The whitewashing of the Western media needs to end and expose the blah. This is, this is a problem, right? Like, like, I think we so there is, I don't know. I don't even know where to start with this explanation, right? Like, all, the first thing comes to my mind here is, is this right? Obviously, people like wish and Churchill are held up on a big plinth. Right? For their contribution to the war effort, right? And that is, you know, whatever. But like, there is another side to that. Like, was Winston Churchill, just like the greatest human ever to live. No, no, he was not right. Like he was kind of a jerk, right? He did dumb things, right? The whole glimply thing was kind of bad, or extremely bad. And um, yeah, like to say then, like, although the major antagonist of the Second World War was Winston Churchill, I don't believe he eat any beer halls beaches, or wrote a book or manifesto, some might call it, or gave really impassioned speeches. Oh, right, like, wait, wait, wait, no, no, I'm so glad you said that, because they're one of the examples of evidence. Okay, you know what they said. They said, Why? Why does Western media never translate Hitler's speeches and documentary and on the news. They, first of all, they do like, well, obviously they do, right? You can do that. Subtitles have existed for a very long time, right? Just, just so, you know, that's how this works. But this was their example. They were like, well, they just want them to sound angry, because if they actually slid what he was saying, it'd be like, you know, and then we will all have puppies and enjoy sunsets on the beach as we embrace each other in love. Welcome. Like, what do you mean? Like, no, it was just that was my doom, scrolling of what I did. That's pretty terrible, right? Like I and just just so that these people are aware, like, I just found a translation right now from the University of North Carolina. I'm not going to read any of this, because gross. But like, these are not like, you know, these are not like, happy, fun things, right? There's no talk of puppies in here, anywhere you know, like it's not just lovey dovey times, you know here, he's talking about a certain group of people that is responsible for all the problems. How German culture should be upheld above all other things. Oh, yeah, you know, just totally normal things. They're totally not weird and psychotic. So, yeah, so that's in ranty, right? It's a thing, right? I don't know how you could listen to even just listening to him, right? And then listening to church would be like, Yeah, we shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight in the streets. We have never gave up. Like, this is not this dude's like, not even awake. Like, what do you sound of an antagonist? Oh, my, that's distressing. Yeah. Like, just, like, how, like, what, what, what universe are you living in? If this makes sense, right? Like, spoilers, there's no, there is absolutely no way that you convince me. Can convince me that Hitler was not the worst human being ever, right, or at least top five, right? Like, come on. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah, yeah. It just Yeah. And then just seeing the outpouring of support and like, Yeah, I've been saying this all along and and if, finally, we're trying to talk about this in the open, I'm like, I that's never good like that is that, is that is the sign to leave a conversation. Listeners, if anybody ever says to you, I'm so glad we can talk about this in the open. You mean to, like, run, potentially call the police department right? Like these are not these are the words that very, very like out there people that have like, very outside cultural norms and mores like these. Are the words they use when they're about to tell you, like, all about their life, right? And it's not good, okay? It's bad. There's going to be potential admission of, like,

40:15

illegal things, right? It's gonna be real bad. That's not good.

Collin  40:20

Don't just just run away. Don't. This is participated anyway, flee with the quickness, all right, just don't do it. No, this is, this is why I have this, this pet thing of like, we need to bring back a whole lot more public shaming for things like, again, this sounds really bad, trust me, I know, I know. But like, sometimes these ideas, especially, I don't know whether what several the ones we've discussed so so far, um, like, no, people need to know that those are actively bad and told that they need to stop believing those. Yeah, right. Like, there's, there's really not a lot of, yes, there's not discourse in like, oh, well, maybe that was a good No, no, no. There are some things that are objectively wrong, and you can be like these. People also say things like, Well, I have the right to think this. Like, yes, you also have the right to be completely wrong and out of touch with actual reality. So that's where you are right now. This is not a real thing. You This is not welcome. I should be here. That's just ridiculous. So, yeah, that's been, that's been my fun week and everything. But, yeah, that's, that's like, saying this is gonna get me, this is gonna get us banned. But like, that's like, saying it's the, it's the Dalai Lama's fault China is occupying Tibet. That's what it's Oh, yeah. Well, I know you

41:54

can break that part out if you want to everybody. What we said, like, what

Collin  41:58

did he say? That's like, that's like, that's like, that that's like, that level of insanity, like, what?

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Yeah,

Collin  42:05

what do you mean? It's, there's no, there's, there's literally no, no, no coherence to arguments. And yet people get convinced by them. And unfortunately, where a lot of this stems from is people do start to question narratives, right? And I think that it's always healthy for us to be a little suspicious of and always diving, not suspicious, but like, dive in for our own like, do your own research. Just because you read it on the internet doesn't mean it's a you know it's true, or whatever. Like, do your due diligence. But then, unfortunately, what people can start to go to is they start to go, you can't like, basically, you know the you can't believe anything, everything that you've ever been told is a lie. And so they immediately have to jump to the counter narrative, because in their world, if everything in the history book is a lie, well then anything not in the history book automatically has to be true. And there we find ourselves. And you go, No, you, you, I can see why you, you know, you did your own thing. But like now we ended up in a in a bad place. We took off the guard rails. Here. People like guard rails necessary, but they don't know how to research properly, right? Like there is a way that you have to go about this, right. Like, there's you can't just be like, Yeah, unfortunately, right, the internet has created a reality, which, like national and Inquirer levels of weirdness are just like, everywhere, because, like, everybody can publish something, right? And just because it's published on the internet does not mean it's real. Yeah, right. Here's my PSA, if you read an article and it's has the word I in the title, it is not a factually correct article, right? It's somebody's blog post, right? There's always dumb things like, Oh, I was a chef for 15 years, and here's my like, no, if you have personal pronouns in the title, no, read it. It's not actual anything. It's just random opinion stuff, right? It doesn't not, who cares? Like, it's not gonna be, it's not gonna be useful, you know? And that's what a lot of them are, or something like that. And so being able to, like, actually, like, yes, do your own research, that's fine. But also, I think, during a certain viral outbreak that occurred several years ago, this phrase got bandied about by a bunch of people who just like, that's what they did. Like, well, I ran off my Uncle Jim Facebook, they did, he did the thing, and then it didn't work, and it's no good. Like, that's i. That's not how virology works. And two, what, like, what do we one, anecdote does not expert opinion make, right? It's not. And, yeah, because, again, that's, that's, that's what is called a case study, which are, you know, sure they are a lot of times widely used in medicine, because we only have one instance of things. But those are always taken with a huge caveat of, well, we only have one right? We don't have an ability to replicate this. Yes, and yes, replication is a very important part of this, right? You have to have consistency, repeatability to then have a pattern, right? I think every one time is on pattern, right? So, yeah, people don't know how to do that, right? I think part of the problem is there is a certain age of person that, like during their education, the internet did not exist, and so they were just like, it's just like, trust written things. Well, this is written on the internet, but it's written so it's hard, yeah. And then there's another younger section where internet things were developing so fast that it just kind of like you got missed. Yeah, right? That like, how to find actual thing. It just like slipped through somewhere, right? And then, just like everybody now just doesn't, doesn't know what to do. I think it's worse with like the Google, not to back to Google thing, but like the Google, like aI generated top question answery thing, right? Sometimes those are just like, What are you talking about? What is this? But if you're a person who has grown up as, like, a digital native and or even younger than that, right, like, if you were born after Google was invented, then you've just always, like, Googled a question and then looked at what it said and been like, yep, that's the answer. Because you don't know that Google is a search engine designed to just give you anything that has those words in it, and not necessarily in the order that you look for them. So by putting the AI thing on there, it's really screwed with people, because they're like, Oh, I trust Google, right? And this is from Google, so it's always trustworthy, even though it's like sometimes the answers are just the wackiest thing. What I've seen some like screenshots of people posting like, what? What is this? So that experimentation on a mass scale, right? The quote, beta testing, right, is not particularly helpful in a climate where, like, that stuff is not taken seriously, right? And like, unfortunately, we also sort of live in, like a post truth era right now where, like, truth doesn't actually even matter in arguments, right like, if you look at a lot of things that happen in the media, people will, like, confront Somebody with a fact, like a substantiated fact from multiple sources, and they will be like, No, and people will believe them, yeah. What are you talking about? Well, that's that, when did the first great defense become like the go to like, like, we mean, yeah, we're talking about this elementary playground nonsense. Well, absolutely, where you go again, that gets to the, well, I just, I'm going to believe something just because somebody, you know, it's not what everybody else is saying. That's not how we assimilate facts. Facts work right, like the reason every, not all the time, obviously right. I understand asterisk, whatever, but like the reason that a lot of people say the same thing is because that thing is true for a big part of the time, not every time, obviously right. But there are certain things that are just like, fact, right? Like, not to beat a dead horse here, but there are this round dang it. What are you doing? Oh, there is no Tartarian empire. What's the matter with you? Okay, I'm coming. I'm back. All right. Here we go. Okay, center, it's. Center. Can't do the earlobe rub because my headphones are on, whack this out of my Yeah. So yeah, it's just this whole and then again, as I've fallen into this so you have like, Okay, well, yeah, that is just kind of makes you go, Well, what? What happens now, like that, if people are willing to believe all this or start finally talking about the truth in the open, like I I'm now, even I'm more terrified than ever to know what people aren't saying in Polish company. Like, that's true. That's also true. And then like, and then you go the other part of like, sometimes, like, all of a sudden the person talking is now like, they're just like, the foremost expert ever. And you're going, since when is Ted Nugent an expert on anything? What are you talking about? Why are you Well, I mean, like, or, or, like, recently, right? With a bunch of weird stuff that, like, Pat McAfee guy, you know this dude. He's like, a sports person or something, uh huh, but like, he's been saying all kinds of outrageous junk on the internet. And then there's a very important truth that the world just forgot, right? Pat McAfee, we just think about football in general. Pat McAfee was a kicker, okay? And since when has anybody ever listened to a kicker? Never, never happened. I heard it. Okay. Have you ever seen a football movie? No one is asking the kicker their opinion. Yeah. No one cares. They're just like, oh, he kicked the ball. Good job. Oh, he missed the kick. You suck. Benched. Like that's how the kicker works. Actually, a lot of them are pretty derided, as well, as far as Yeah, but that's true too. Yes. That's Yes. There's another famous example of this. But also, again, why we're listening to a kicker? What is happening? Kickers aren't an authority on anything except for kicking, and sometimes not even then, just from, like a societal perspective, why are we listening to kickers? Yeah, don't do it. That's, that's real life advice. Don't listen to the kicker. Okay, I apologize to all those high school kickers out there who are aspiring to be better. Okay, I believe in you. You break the cycle. Currently, don't listen to all right. Yeah, that's, that's the thing. Like, we hold up these random people as like bastions of truth, and you're like that, sir. Is Ted Nugent that does not know the bastion of nothing, okay? I don't know. Hulk Hogan does not hold truth. Okay? That's not you uplift to be like, Ah, yes, the man famous for lying about literally everything, yes, Hulk Hogan, the hero that we need. No, no, it's not true. Have you seen what he does with his shirt? That's pretty impressive. That's true, right? He does, does eat vitamins, you know. So at least does that. And you know, anybody who takes care of their body like that, that's a turns out, maybe vitamins was code for steroids. Yeah, no, no, no, that never happened. Because he said it never happened. So obviously, you see, yeah, all

54:04

makes sense.

Collin  54:17

I think we should travel to a different century right now. That's what I was thinking. I was like, that sounds Speaking of things not making sense, uh, it's time to travel back to which chapter this. Oh, it was the slave chapter. Yes, yes. Okay, got it right. So, speaking of happy speaking

54:40

of happy times, this is a terrible episode. I'm very sorry. We're sick. We're sick fed up, right? The couple

Collin  54:50

older millennials angry at the world, everything's fine. Oh, man, not gonna get better. Here, right? We have some more great funding, but yeah, again, this just randomly happens, right? So he's, he's, we start off here. This is Chapter Roman numerals, 34 the young human king sold as slaves, right? So, so he's, he's back, but we, we started here. He's backpedaling from him, like, just really pushing really hard last time, talking about economic policy and whatnot, and like, he's like, Oh, I've overdone it. I better start to, you know, reel him back in. I need to be nicer. And he's like, look a miller gun. Look how fun this toy is that I'm gonna give you. Hooray. And then he makes some sort of snide comment about how they're awkward with machinery, and they don't understand how machines work, you know, because whatever. And and then, and then the king shows up. Oh no, I love that. The king joined us, mightily refreshed from his nap. He's done napping, people, he's ready. Yeah, it was quite a hefty nap. And Ness stop. Bob, yeah, we're Yeah, that's where I like the next quote is, I was so uneasy for our lives, we're in danger. And so it worried me to detect the complacent something in the king's eye, which seemed to indicate that he had been loading himself up for performance of some kind or other. Compounded, Why must he go and choose such time as this? So he just starts matching. He just starts launching into this thing about, like, farming, right where? On topic, everything like every fact that he says is just wrong, yeah. The problem here, dear listeners, is that the cover story is that he was supposed to be a farmer. So he's talking about, I can't even, I have no idea what this disease was about, how, like, some fruits are actually just unripe versions of other fruits, and they're actually just related and some whole thing. And an onion's not really an onion. And love these rambling and they're just like, and I love how, yeah, at this one point he says, he says, while, as you know, others do, yet maintain, with much show of reason, that this is not of necessity, necessity, the case instancing, that plums and other like cereals, do always be dug in the unripe state. The common after this is the audience exhibited distinct distress, yes, and also fear. First of all, even I know you don't dig up a plum, that's not how plums work. Do not also, I'm pretty sure a plum is not a cereal, if I remember correctly here. So yeah, I haven't taken any botany in long time, but I'm pretty sure plum not cereal, yes. Stone fruition. Mark, does a plums have pits? Right? Stone fruit pits? There goes stones. Yeah. So he just talks about all cabbage, right? And just, it's just all wrong, and they just decide they're gonna kill them. That's their place, like, Oh, this one is a betrayer, and this one is clearly insane. Let us kill them. I love how that's the instinct of this, of this group, is to just go, You know what, death. That's what we need to do. It's but, but the king is all for this. He's like, ah, a fight at last, is all. And so he starts going to town and just beating dudes, right? I believe the word hammering is used several times, hammering each other. Yes, yeah. They start fighting, and then they like, all of a sudden, he looks around and he's like, Oh, I haven't seen Marco in a while. I wonder where it happened to Marco. Oh, there's Marco with like a crowd, perhaps a magistrate. Oh, no, come King, we shall flee. Well, they make their escape, right? There's a big, long thing about tracing through the woods dogs, right and such. We have a very early use of the trope of, oh no, we're being tracked by dogs. We should run through the river, right? So, hoot, there's that, right? Yeah, that's there. I know it said immediately it's like, that's still a thing. And I'm pretty sure the MythBusters said that's not real. So, you know, I've and yet, here it is, 1880 my turn was like, Yeah, river, whatever is one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, goodness. Well, they're on and this is where they encounter, they encounter when they're at in the stream. Is this where they encounter the person? Well, they, yeah, I'm a little foggy on here, because there were this several days ago. But, oh, they, you know, they're taking the bridge, then they're gonna hold off the bridge, and then all of a sudden, they, like, they smoke them out, right? They're like, Oh, we can't get us from up here. They're like, what if we light everything on fire? I smoke them out. And that's when they finally catch them, right? They descend, and then they get them, but then, yeah, somebody else comes right? And then they're like, what's happening here? And they try to explain, and they're like, duped, pretty much. He's like, Oh, yes, these people were trying to kill us. And they give a big, long explanation, like, no, no, we are, you know, just gentle travelers and blah blah. And the guy's like, yeah, sure, you guys can come with us, give them the horses and you can ride in the back. And they're like, ah, yay. Everything is fine, uh huh. And then they ride right into slave auction. And then the guy's like, all right, sell these two. And they're like, Well, you Yes, yeah, just right, right into anything, yeah, at which point, right, very, very mad about this, obviously, uh, he does make some references to slavery in the United States being like, you know, kind of talking about mirroring, sort of Mark Twain's own personal journey through this matter of like, you know, when I was younger, I didn't think anything of it, but as I got older, I realized this is bad. Why are we doing this? What's happening? Yes, so we get a little more between peeking through here and then they we have, like, a very great example of the why laws suck sometimes, right? This is why. Because it's like, no, no. He's like, You can't prove that. I'm not a free man. He's like, no, no, you have to prove that you are. Yes, this is, wait a minute. Hold on.

1:02:54

He's like, Oh, dear,

Collin  1:02:54

it's not wait a minute. That's not how this works. So the burger proof is the wrong way around. They get hitched up in taken off to towards London, I believe. So they're headed eventually. But yeah, that is this chapter. It's a whole thing. It's very long. It's a very long one full of very confusing things, like, what so? But yeah. And then in the very end, he talks about, yeah, he's talking about how walking in the manacles make him think about this, where he says, the thing, which I had merely been improper before, became suddenly hellish, right? Where it's like, nobody ever really thinks about things like this until they experience something like it, and then it's like, the worst thing ever, right? So, like, how, unfortunately, certain situations have to, like, physically interact with you for you to suddenly gain an opinion on them, right? But that's kind of the end of that chapter. Yeah, well, I will just go back and remark it's interesting how, still, while all of this is going on, he can't help but talk to think through the business aspects of he's saying, well, the king brought $7 his Prime Minister nine, whereas the king was easily worth 12 and I was worth 15 Yes, that's ridiculous. Not a good market for this. So of course, they had to take the price that they could get and like, what's happening right now? Yeah, that's a weird, like, sad thing that he goes on. He talks about how he's like, he's upset because he's like, undervalued, and the king is real mad because he Hank is worth more than him, so that just really irks him. Just right? He's stuck on that forever, for the rest of the time, yes, mad because not let it go, it's worth as much as Hank on the slave market. Like there's bigger things to worry about, like the. That you are a slave, okay, yep, because, yeah, next, the next chapter. And it starts off by saying, like the king brooded, this was natural, right? No, and I take the thing that graveled him most to start with, was not this, but the price that he had

1:05:18

fetched, yeah, not

Collin  1:05:21

the fall from the loftiest to the lowest, right? It's the fact that his price was so low and he's real mad, right? And then, and then what he's, he's, it's, yeah, he's so mad and frustrated that he's going at length to discuss with Hank about how, well, in a fair market, what price would I like there? He's he's now arguing over the price. Hank is obviously just like, Oh my gosh. We have a lot more problems on our hands in this right now. But okay, okay. He's like, how much do you think I'd go for here? And he's like, that's more surely, obviously. So let's, anyway, we have another problem. We're chained to a group of people. Ah. So anyway, as everything in this book, we can't, like, just go somewhere. We have to be traveling. And then a thing happens, right? It's just like side story all along, but like, they come across this, like, other group of people, right? Because they, Oh, there's, like, a, is this the snowstorm thing, or is that later, rough time for a month? Yeah. Sorry, yeah, but yeah, yeah. So they come across some other people. Right? And there are, there's this lady, and they're just like, well, obviously we have the burner. Clearly, that's just how it works, right? Boom, get a burner, because, you know the devil and evil and something so burn, clearly, and obviously, this is not doesn't go over well with Hank or her, obviously. And there's this big, long thing about, again, about the laws are written in such a way that don't make any sense, right? And basically, it kind of comes to pass it like, the this woman's big crime is that she's poor, uh huh, right? Like, that's the crime, like, all the stuff that happened, like there was, like, some sort of robbery or something, and something happened, and something happened, but it's like, it's all because she was poor, right? That's the root, it's like Aladdin. It's the beginning of a Latin that's a guy, yes, oh yes. And so, so the this whole thing, the reading of this, they're talking about these laws, and how ridiculous it is, and how crazy. And they're just like, well, there's just nothing for it. The law is that you must be killed, uh huh. And you know, she starts talking about her child and and everything, and then the chapter ends again. Sorry for the very downer episode this week. I apologize for this. But like the The chapter ends with her like, lamenting that her child is going to be like, alone and not have a home and stuff. And the priest says, but it has them all, and I will be all of these to it until I should die. And she just glares at him, like, dude, he wouldn't even need all this, if you would just, you know, not kill me. It's so bad, like the system is all messed up in this book where it's like, Yeah, clearly, well, we'll take care of your child. We'll do all these things for your child, but, but we have to execute you because this one law is really weird, and you stole something because you're poor. Like, very interesting commentary on how a lot of times what we think is a good act charity or a good act of just nicety is going but is that? Is it necessary, right? Should it be necessary that we do that? Like, is that? Is that really the best possible outcome here? Is that you know you and and because you could just see how so many people would go, Oh, my goodness, look at how nice that guy's doing. Um, stepping up in a moment like this. And it's like, Wait, that's not the thing I'm concerned about, yeah, right? Like, I had this moment at at the beginning of the school year, right? Because there's like, this thing, and they wanted to, like, they're starting this program where it's like, oh, the teachers can donate money, and they're going to use it to buy like stuff and things to help like. Uh, at risk or at need children at the school, right? Which is fine, but we live in the state where the government refuses to run or fund those programs that would help the children. Yes, it's like, I Why am I doing this? That's your job. Like you said repeatedly, no, we're not going to fund those programs. We're going to build. I 70, bigger. We're all move over. Beep, beep, right. Like, and then, and then they're like, Oh, you teacher that makes no money at all. Would you please donate to this program to help buy things for students? I'm like, what? Okay, hold on. Wait, wait a minute. Ah, like, it's a fine idea, but like, the idea shouldn't need to exist exactly, exactly. And that is exactly the point. Like, there's nothing wrong with the idea, but it shouldn't need to be there at all. Yep. And that's what he's driving home at this just the absurdity of this entire thing and how good well intentioned people step up. And it's like, wow, look at them like, or you could not do the thing that made that happen and made that a necessity, like that's really where we need to backtrack up. And I think that's kind of a general theme through a lot of this story so far, is just like the found, just again, the foundations of this, the foundations of the start, the starting point of where people come from in their story, saying, you know, the stories that they tell and the laws now and the regulations and the implications of these things going, No, we're starting at a bad point. People like, that's what we really need to focus is not this other ancillary stuff for second or third or fourth steps down the road. Let's go back to step zero and do something with that. Yeah, exactly like we're not fixing the root problem, right? You're just like putting a shinier bucket under the water dripping from the ceiling, right? Yes, it's a lovely bucket. It's very pretty. There's a hole in the ceiling, right? Like, have to allocate our resources much better, right? Like, oh, I bought a new bucket because the old one was rusty, still holding the ceiling, though. So, like, what? Wait a minute. Hold on. What if we fixed this ceiling. Ah, yeah, there we go. But that's

1:12:52

socialism. That's not a lot so, so

Collin  1:12:56

an encounter in the dark,

1:12:58

yeah, this one's real short, right? We're just, we're

Collin  1:13:00

in London now, right? And he's now plotting escape. He's very tired of being chained, right? Because no one will buy them because the price is too high, yep. So there is some comments about, like, the caste system that is in force here, because he's pretty sure that he just saw Sandy walking by, looking at him, probably, and like, but she wouldn't look at the slaves, because why would he be there, right? So they don't look at this. This is not real people, because they're slaves, obviously. So like, you know, she's walked by and he made a little comment about that, like, how this whole thing is weird, and how he's not allowed to, like, he can't speak to higher members and all this stuff, right? Like, that's happening here.

1:13:56

But he does get some good cheer, because he does

Collin  1:13:58

see a newspaper, and he's very glad that that means Clarence is out there, still plugging away. This brings in some joy. Yeah? Again, he specifically says, well, he says, Yeah. He says, banging away, yeah. His thought was full of cheer, right? And then he goes, now he's looking at other things that are going on and up and he sees a telegraph or a telephone wire, and he's like, Ah, look at that. That's what. That's one, yeah. So he's like, ah, progress, while he's chained up to a whole group, yeah? Ah, but anyway, so he decided he's plotted, he's had enough, he's plotted an escape, right? So he's like, All right, here's the deal. I'm gonna need to pick the lock, right? He's gonna MacGyver himself out of the handcuffs, irons, shackles, I don't know, and we're. He's gonna escape. They're gonna beat up the slave capture, take him captive, and then March him and all the other slaves, for some reason to Camelot, to be like hunda, look at us. We're back and take that loser. We're not slaves. We're not here's your proof. Buddy, like this, like, personal vendetta mission to go on his like, the biggest character flaw ever, and like, gets him in all the trouble. So this is the plan, right? So the time comes, he steals, like, a pin, button, brooch, something from a person who's coming to look at them to buy them. Oh, that's really angry about this discussion, because he doesn't like the price that the person is wanting to pay. Yeah. Well, and the slave owner says, All right, look, if you buy this guy, I'll throw in the other one for free. And that really makes the king angry. Yes. You'll be free in another way soon. That sort of cheers him up, right? And so he's like, Aha. Money goes. This whole thing, right? He picks the lock, and then the watchman doesn't stay in the room like he was supposed to, and so he chases him out, because he's got to club him and tie him to the thing, yes, so he chases him out in there into the night, and he sees the figure in the distance, and he runs at him, and he tackles him, and a ball ensues, and the constabulary comes and they rest him and the other guy, and when they put the lantern on the face, it's the wrong, wrong person. Oh, ah, back to jail, probably with

1:17:09

Hank arise,

Collin  1:17:10

uh huh. It's like, I like the cliffhanger that he this is, I think this is the first time he's implemented that, yeah, I want to Yeah, or at least this book of a cliffhanger, yes, right? There's maybe been a couple, like small ones, but this is really like a hotel, no. Man, we are racing up on the end here, and I'm very excited to see where we call this thing. What is the resolution going to be? Literally, what even is, what the climatic event of the story? I can't figure it out. How does one plot diagram the Connecticut, Yankee and King are at this court? How? How it does work. It's just all rising action all the time. I imagine it will just be like, ah. And here's the thing. So yeah, we are pretty close. I didn't count chapters yet, but yeah, pretty close. So we'll see. Keep going. See how good your Mark Twain quote of the week. Oh, yes, I had a different one. But then I read that second chapter, and I was like, nope, got a better one to bring the mood down a little bit again, this is this quote says the lack of money is the root of all evil. Sorry,

1:18:47

to bring you back down twist on

Collin  1:18:49

that one. But well, well, you know what? Unfortunately, my Haiku is not going to do us much good either, because it's also a little sad. This was not planned, people, I'm very sorry. Yeah, I will. We'll correct this for next week. Oh, man,

1:19:11

good news, part three, four question, all

Collin  1:19:13

right, yeah, we'll workshop that. Let me know. Yeah, we can do that. We can rebound hard here. Yeah, I think we need to end on this. I guess wheels beneath me roam circling streets. Where can I land? Parking woes expand because I couldn't park at the hotel is too big. I not something I carry with me. It's fine. It's definitely not, definitely not. Your nightmares are of flying insects with your face. Mine are parking lots. Was exceptionally small. Eat Sparky spaces. That's fair. That's fair. I will say I would have been in the interim of doing other things, right? I've been playing some video game stuff. And I was I, because I have Internet now I can, like, update things, and they work. Surprised. So I was playing some fours of five, right? You know, it's a racing, racing game, right? And, and after last week's episode, I was playing, and I I won or unlocked, or something, a four lucky Mustang thing. Terrible game to have that in there. I was like, wow, how Okay. There we go. It's the thing, like, all right, how intriguing is that? Just talking about it Puritan, bam, there you go, hey. Well, hopefully you enjoy that. Don't try and park it. Okay, all right. I don't think you have to worry about parking and racing suits. I don't think that's where anything you have to do,

1:21:10

but those tight, those tight left hand corners, maybe not gonna look forward to that then, oh,

Collin  1:21:16

good luck on that. Let me know it goes okay. I It will recover for next time, and we'll all right, we'll try to skip, okay. Love you.

1:21:30

Let me do Bye. Bye.