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Collin is really confused by cats. Brandon is really confused by the Tartarian Empire. We agree on a book!

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Brandon, Collin

Collin  00:00

Music. Welcome to Oh brother, the podcast where we try to figure it all out. Your hosts, Brandon and Collin on this week's show, physical media fiend, ahoy. Ahoy. How's it going?

Brandon  00:19

Pretty good. How are you?

Collin  00:23

Oh, well, you know, I love cats. Cats are wonderful. I think that they are great pets and that people should have them. However, without you, when, when things go wrong with a cat, just like so much more,

00:48

I don't know, like damage is done than a dog.

Brandon  00:53

Well, I think more often I have seen some dogs eat a lot of things.

Collin  00:59

I will say this right, when a cat decides it no longer wants to use its litter box,

Brandon  01:07

okay, fair,

Collin  01:10

so we have been caring for this cat, for these three cats, and that's the other thing that made this difficult, three cats for two weeks now, and with three cats, it's hard to know what their schedule is, what their normal routine is, of how much pee is normal, how much poop is normal versus pooping. Who is peeing, which spot, which cat is this? Where are they going? And but all along I've been going, okay, Dad, there's there's plenty of of poop there, and there's plenty of pee here. However, it turns out, no, we were missing some because one of the cats was going downstairs and peeing on the cushion of the leather couch. Oh, that's exciting. Now, here's what happens when you pee on leather. It doesn't soak in. It runs off, yeah, and in this case, what it was doing, it was run around the back of the cushion on down into Elliot, down into the couch, down onto the floor. And so I didn't notice this until yesterday.

02:42

Okay, and

Collin  02:43

so when I flipped up the couch, it was Major, like, Lake, Lake. Now, fortunately, it fell onto their hardwood, not hardwood floors, but the like, like, like, laminate floor, yeah, laminate Yeah, yeah, fake wood, but it did, but it's all of like one cohesive piece. So that's yes, yes. So this was also also a thing, so I have been in rehab mode for this couch. I had to flip the couch over scrub it out from underneath, spraying disinfectant, soaking it with this stuff, using the deodorizer and things like that. So it's fun. That's, yeah,

Brandon  03:34

that's the weird part about cats too, right? Is like,

Collin  03:38

now again,

Brandon  03:39

this is not knowledge I have from firsthand. I would like to just go ahead and point this out to listeners, because I have not had a cat since we were children and we had Charlie the cat, right? So that was a very, very long time ago, but having seen My Cat From Hell, obviously I know that. And having friends with mini cats, I know that, like the weird part about cats in the litter boxes, like they'll use the litter box until they just decide they don't want to anymore, and it's just like, what? And it could just be like, they just don't like the way that that litter feels on their toes anymore, and they're done, or, you know, they all of a sudden just don't like this litter box. And then you have to go through the whole shtick of like, oh, and I have to find, like, a different litter, because some of them will just all of a sudden be like, Nope, I like closed litter boxes only. Sorry, yes, yes. I have been using this open litter box my entire life, but not anymore. Sorry, I'm done just like the litter, all of a sudden they're like, No, I don't like that litter or eat like the food even they'll be like, yeah, no, I don't eat that food anymore. Sorry.

Collin  04:56

There's like, wow. What so.

Brandon  04:59

It's so weird. Like, I'm sure there is some sort of trigger, right? But, you know, they're so strange anyway. But like, that's what they'll do. They'll just be like, yeah, no, I'm

Collin  05:10

done, sorry. I don't do this anymore. And you're just like, What? What? What do you mean? You know, you

Brandon  05:17

did this yesterday.

Collin  05:20

What happened yesterday? What are you talking about? Oh, I know. And so that's where it's like, oh, anyway, I just, I can't like, I, I again, I really do like, like cats. I just, but because of this kind of stuff, where it's like, yeah, it just it seemingly, now again. It seemingly came out of nowhere, where all of a sudden, you know, this cat just started doing it. Now. Cats do this for many reasons. It can be stressed. They can be, yeah, you know, and so, but yeah, when you, when you walk in and you find that it's like,

Brandon  06:06

yeah, that's another thing too. Is like a lot, since cats are so, since they can be, I don't want to, you know, try not to dunk on cats too much. But since they can be quite aloof, things like, things can happen in their life that you don't see, right? Maybe sometimes there was, like, a stressful event that occurred, and it like freaks them out, and then now they're doing stuff completely different, but you didn't ever see the thing that freaked them out, right? Yeah, so you don't know what's going on. Sometimes it's like, the neighbor got a cat, and they can, like, sense it, and then they're like, on defense territorial mode. But you have no idea, right? You know, they'll just start like, wigging out and doing crazy stuff, you

Collin  06:56

know what? Yeah, going on. Or sometimes it's just that the wind is blowing differently today. Yeah, no. I

Brandon  07:05

mean, it could be like, there could be, like, something that scared him, right? And then, and it could be anything like, like you said, it could be a wind, it could be, you know, something, but it, it startled them to such an extent that now they are. They don't want to do the thing they're doing before. And there's like, Nope, there. Sorry. They're 100%

Collin  07:26

not okay with this anymore, and they need you to be on board with that. And so you're like,

07:34

yeah, so this

Collin  07:36

is not fun, yeah. So anyway, that's what I was on my hands and knees, scrubbing up on the floor again this evening. Oh,

Brandon  07:46

having very fun. Loads of fun. Oh, yeah, that sounds like No,

Collin  07:54

no, but no, that's what we've been been been doing. Not a whole lot going on this week. Um, so, yeah, it's all fine, good. That's very good. I think so. Think so.

Brandon  08:12

But yeah, we haven't had a whole lot either. We had a birthday party on

08:16

Saturday.

Brandon  08:17

Oh yes, King Day time is the season we have. We've been invited to like, three, like, every weekend in June. Oh no. So like, my week calendar during the week is very full, but my weekends are just like, booking up quickly. Who knew?

08:37

But it was really it was really cool.

Brandon  08:39

It was really sweet, like grandma was able to come so that was very nice. I don't know how much she's around. I don't know if she is living still in, like, this is a Guatemalan one, right? And so I don't know if that's where she is or what, but she was Aries. It was like a really tender, lots of sweetness happening. There's a lot of fun, right? Goodness, they just kept saying the parent, like, the dad, just kept being, like, really happy we were there, huh? Yeah, you invited us, man, I don't know, like, what

09:12

did you expect me to

Brandon  09:13

do? I, yeah, of course, I'm coming. But it was really sweet. They were just really, it was really cool. So that was a lot of fun. So that was pretty much the only exciting thing that we've done

Collin  09:30

this week, really, pretty much it Well, that's nice, yeah, but I did fall down a rabbit hole this week that has brought me much rage. Oh, okay, yes, so Right.

Brandon  09:50

So I have a little something for you here. I stumbled upon this conspiracy theory of which I was unfamiliar, really. And. I watched some videos that, like, you know, like the debunking ones, where people like talking about, like, what the heck it was, yeah, and then I did watch a few videos and stuff about people that believe in it, and it just, I don't know why, but I have an unbridled rage for this makes me angry. I have many notes here for you.

10:30

I

Brandon  10:34

as calmly as I possibly can, I'll just like, I'll watch the video, and I'll be like, Oh my gosh, this dude is an idiot. And then I always make the mistake of reading the comments, and I'm like, oh, oh no,

10:48

oh no. They're all

Brandon  10:51

every there's always at least, there's always at least one dude. I don't leave comments on videos, just because, like, if I start, I'll never stop in this well, I

Collin  10:59

don't want to be, I don't want to be traced. Honestly, I don't want to know that too,

Brandon  11:06

right? I mean, if I did, I wouldn't like, I would like, change the name to like, you know,

Collin  11:13

some you're just seeing your Wences or

Brandon  11:15

something, yeah, some like, innocuous, like thing, right? But

Collin  11:18

like,

Brandon  11:22

the comments that are like that are always like, Oh my gosh, so true. Once your eyes are open, you can't unsee Yes. What else are they hiding from us? You're like,

11:34

what? And then sometimes there's, I

Brandon  11:36

always look for the one dude that's like, Bro, are you nuts? What the heck are you talking about? So I'm gonna take you on a journey through these four pages of notes that I have scribbled down. Or, holy what? Yeah, yeah, right. A little bit more the end I couldn't like I just have so many feelings about the end, that it's kind of not, not in order, right? What even is this? Yeah, so I have entitled my notes. I even gave them a title. I was feeling particularly literary, probably because of what we're gonna talk about a little bit later, right? Our introduction to our next topic. But yeah, right. I was feeling feeling particularly literary. So the title of my notes are the Tartarian Empire and the great mud flood, or modern man confused by architecture,

12:28

that's what I have here.

Collin  12:31

Oh my gosh, great mud. Well, I

Brandon  12:37

Yes, okay, yes. All right, on. So here's here, we'll start at the beginning. Yes,

12:43

what a right place, this,

Brandon  12:47

this, this whole idea, it's very it's, it's kind of so the whole basic, here's the problem, right? The theory here, the idea, I'm not going to give it the benefit of being called a theory, this notion that these people share.

Collin  13:04

It does not seem to be unified, really, in any way. It's

Brandon  13:09

not quite of a unit as unified as, like a flat earth situation, right, where there's like, one or two different ideas and everybody falls into a couple camps. It just kind of seems to be like, it's like a buffet. There's like all of this stuff is loosely tied together, and the adherents just sort of pick their favorite things, right? So it's kind of hard to describe, but basically,

Collin  13:36

the theory goes that once upon a time, there was a great empire called tartaria, right now, this empire, you know,

Brandon  13:54

possibly it was a globe spanning civilization, right? Possibly giants. There might be giants involved. That depends. That's one of the things. There might be giants, yeah, some of them might be giants. What? But this civilization was wiped out in a quote, reset event, right? So the history of Earth is is sprinkled with these reset events where the old world is wiped out and a new civilization comes now this reset event is what they refer to as the mud flood.

Collin  14:34

Where did the mud come from? I don't know. How long did it last? I don't know. Is

Brandon  14:45

that some of the adherents believe there was some sort of war also involved, like there was a battle and then the cataclysm happened, right? But I. Yes, basically what this means, what's happening here is these people don't believe that a lot of modern buildings, modern buildings were built by people in the 1800s these are remnants of the Tartarian civilization, and we found them. They like to say founded them, because they don't understand what founded means, right? They think founded and found share similar etymology, and that is false there, but we discovered them, and we just sort of like moved into the buildings.

Collin  15:41

Yeah, yeah, that's it, right. Oh, okay.

Brandon  15:48

So like, so they think that if you find, like, a big now, this reset event, this there again, not a lot of cohesion. The last reset happened sometime between

Collin  16:03

1812 and 1850 so they think that buildings built in the 1800s are beyond the scope of human construction and therefore not possible. I think that's a really recent date to pick on that later, I was expecting like 16 or whatever, 15, but

Brandon  16:34

when you said 18, I was going, yeah, oh no, like again. Some people say 1812 some people say as late as 1850 right? The problem is, like a lot of the buildings they cite are buildings that were built in like, the 1880s and they just don't believe that it's possible to build those buildings in the 1880s so they must also have just been there. They the construction was faked. That's not real. The construction photos are like, Oh, them renovating the building. You

Collin  17:04

know, that makes a lot of sense when you put it like that, yeah, yeah.

Brandon  17:07

That's, uh, that's the crux of the theory here. Now,

Collin  17:11

is it the real quick, sorry, is it the word, maybe you'll get to this. Is it the same reset type of it each time? Is it always a mud flood? Or is it different? As far as I'm aware, I don't know exactly.

Brandon  17:24

Some of them talk about the buildings look melted, so I think that's why they think there was some sort of war and then something. But again, those people that kind of goes into a different theory. That's not mud flooding, so that's just kind of an outlier in here. Okay, they're major, they're major pieces of evidence,

Collin  17:44

right? Capital domes,

Brandon  17:49

right? So you know how all the state capitals look the same, of course, because they all want to look like the United States capital, uh huh. And that's architectural planning. No, no, no, no. All of those buildings were built by an ancient civilization, and then we are using their palaces as our state capitals. Clearly, how? Yeah, even though a lot of them have very well documented construction, no, no, no. Also

Collin  18:20

churches. More on churches a little bit later, but churches very small,

Brandon  18:26

yeah, churches, I have a whole section on churches, but, um, you know, they think that because a lot of churches look similar, okay, so that they were all built by a similar Not, not that, not that there's a very long history of church architecture spanning about 1000 years or more. Not like there's any or more. There's not any symbolism, no into the design of the building. No, right?

Collin  18:55

None of them is actually we've just imbued that meeting onto it. Yes,

Brandon  19:00

yes, we just use them as churches now. Now more on what they were originally, later, because I have a whole thing about that, because it's infuriating. Also, Star forts. They think that star forts because Star forts exist and they all look the same, not because it's like a really, really efficient military design, and people have been building star forts since, like the 1400s No, no,

Collin  19:29

those are all found buildings too. Yeah, right.

Brandon  19:33

That's this crux of the theory here. That's kind of the basic overall concept is that these buildings were not

Collin  19:43

built like you think they're built. Oh, right, yeah, you think you know.

Brandon  19:47

So this shares moving on to the beginning of the actual theory, right? The um, like, have you heard of like? The New Chronology, or the Phantom time hypothesis.

Collin  20:05

That sounds really familiar, like the Phantom time thing is,

Brandon  20:08

there's a certain group of people that believe the Middle Ages never happened. They believe that that timeline was constructed by the Catholic Church. For some reason, right? There's like 500 years of time that didn't actually occur in all of the events that happened in there were fabricated by the Catholic Church,

Collin  20:33

and it's a big worldwide conspiracy, right?

Brandon  20:36

Not forgetting that, like Eastern Orthodoxy exists, and if that did happen, they they would definitely have something to say about this.

Collin  20:44

Like, yes, Yep, pretty sure.

Brandon  20:48

I'm pretty sure the Byzantine church would have been like, Hey guys,

Collin  20:52

they're trying to pull one over on,

Brandon  20:56

you know, you know, because they're, you know, not really friends.

Collin  21:00

It didn't really broke a whole lot of, yeah, yeah,

Brandon  21:03

we're friends with that, at least they were, especially during that time, right? Not friends, okay, so, so, um, right, the the origins appear, kind of some of this comes from, like, not understanding how old maps work, right? I think one of the reasons this whole thing makes me so furious is because it falls at a cross section of a lot of my interests, and it just gets everything about it. Oh, incorrect, right? We have people that don't understand maps or history or science, and that's like all things that I teach, and I'm a very big enthusiast of, like, 19th century history and like, the fact that they don't believe any of it happened, Just like, irks me beyond belief. Sure, I think that might be part of it. But, like, generally, right? So the the Tartar people, right? This there actually is a region referred to as a Tartary on old maps, right? This was sort of like a blanket term for, like, the Asian part of Russia, right? Because, like, the Tartars were like the Mongolian and Turkish people of the steppe, right, like people that lived in Western Europe, that's just, they just called those people the Tartar right,

Collin  22:27

partially because the name may come from right, may come from

Brandon  22:36

Greek speaking people, Because Tartarus is like the Greek version of hell. So like, these were, like, really fierce, like, Horse Warriors, and you basically didn't want to go where they lived. So, like, they called it Tartary, or tartaria, based on that, like, bro, you don't want to go over there. Those guys are crazy. They'll kill you. Don't, don't go over there. And because not a lot of people throughout history were, you know, exploring Siberia in the East Asian steppe. It just sort of got named that. And then that's, you know, whenever you're making a new map, you just look at old maps and you go, what's that called? Okay, boom, got it? Bam,

Collin  23:17

right. It just kind of gets passed down. It's a tradition. The name just sticks, yeah, right, absolutely, yeah.

Brandon  23:23

So at some point it like goes away, because they start calling it like Russia and other like Mongolia, they, you know, give them place names. But for a really long time, it was just called like tarterry,

Collin  23:33

right? But because the name changes, at some point,

Brandon  23:41

conspiratorially minded people see that and say, what are they covering up? What? Why don't they want you to know about this? Yes, that's the secrets of the civilization. Yeah, instead of the actual Oh yeah,

Collin  23:54

they just don't put a name for it right. As as happens literally all of the time, if you look at any map, just all of a sudden, ever, yeah, a new, a new name pops up. Because, why? Well, the person in charge went, I don't, it's not a good name. I don't like it anymore. And they change the map, yeah,

Brandon  24:14

or, or, you know, like, California appears as an island for a really long time. Really long. Is

Collin  24:18

it an island? No, it is absolutely no. It just like, it

Brandon  24:24

makes no sense. There was, like, an accident, and then they're just like, Yeah, cool. Just leave with like that. Yeah, nobody can tell me it isn't, so just leave it No, right? Yeah, you proved me wrong.

Collin  24:35

Yeah. So,

Brandon  24:36

so now here's where we get a problem, right? So this exists, okay, there's a lot of like, fake documents that, like, back this up, which is a problem, right? There's a lot of things are, like, very fake that are about this, or people reading things wrong. I saw evidence of things like this, and some people seem to think that, like, they don't, they don't they think they come from places they don't come from, right? Like, it's. Whole convoluted mess because people don't understand certain aspects of history. Now, here's the problem, the beginning of the theory, right? Like tartaria as an empire and like an advanced civilization, oh,

Collin  25:18

oh no,

Brandon  25:19

oh no, it's Russian nationalism theory. Oh no. Oh crap. It's it was actually first put forth by a guy named Anatoly from Renko

Collin  25:30

as a way to prove Russian dominion over

Brandon  25:38

East Asia. Oh, no, oh no. But it's also backed up by a guy named Nikolai lavoche, or something, who is a racial occultist, and so, yeah, he Oh, he got in on the theory, right? This is where it gets real bad, because, like, on the surface, it just sounds kind of weird, when you start digging in, right? There's like, they start talking about, like, the Aryan race,

26:15

and they start talking about how, like, certain groups of people aren't real and don't exist. You know, maybe, maybe a certain group of Chosen People of Israel maybe couldn't.

Brandon  26:30

Yeah, they say that certain events that happened in 1939 to 1945 didn't Erica. Oh no, no, oh no, oh no. Like, the really deep people they're, that's what they think they're. So this is sort of like a gateway to, like, extreme racism and, yeah, weirdness. So that's not great.

Collin  26:58

Oh no. And so, man, it's one of those things of, like, it's not just a fun, like, kooky thing. It's like a conspiracy used for suppression of others. And like, yeah, now

Brandon  27:11

I don't think a lot of people think about it too much, and they don't get quite that far down, but there are a few videos I watched, and it's sort of like, there, right. Like, the offhand comments are there, the jokes are there? Like, oh, oh no, oh, dear, oh, this is bad. Yeah. So Hi. How you feeling so far about the the the old overarching theory here, and I'll take your questions now, take a break here before you dive into specific points that make me grumpy, okay, and things that people don't understand here. So

Collin  27:55

basically, this is them. This is a this is a weird way of trying to explain why. I mean, really, it's the it's the Why are there pyramids all over the globe kind of thing, where people go aliens, right? They're trying to explain a common observation around the globe, and somehow they landed back on a global civilization takeover by the tartarians who somehow vanished or whatever. I'm sure you get into that here in a minute, part of this reset, whatever those are coming from. But I'm still like,

28:35

did they have a

Collin  28:36

reason to pick that group? I mean, except for the like the Russian propagandists and stuff.

Brandon  28:40

I don't think so, okay? I think so, right? I think that that was, I think it's sort of like just because it because it's not like a unified thing. There's not like a Atlantis, there's not like a Plato moment, yeah, where you like, really kind of have a lot of things coalescing together. It feels like a lot of different things that people just kind of lump together piecemeal, and because it's really hard to, like, understand, kind of like the whole deal, because most of the videos that you watch are like, people just like, showing you evidence, right? And those venezios are quite short. They're like, Oh, look at this building. And they're like, 20 minutes. The videos that I found that are of people like, really explaining what they believe are, like, multiple hours long. And I am not, yeah, subjecting myself to that because I don't want to lose my sanity. So I watched some, like, videos about people talking about the main points, and like, talking about, like a debunking kind of video things,

Collin  29:43

but that was a little more palatable

Brandon  29:48

to deal with. But like, yeah, you can see, kind of, like other conspiracy theories. You can you can understand that there is, like a dissatisfaction. Action with certain cultural elements, right? You can, you can feel it right, and I'll get into some of that a little bit later, but you can understand like, Oh, these people are upset about this thing. Or they like, they're frustrated about this. And instead of, like,

Collin  30:20

vocalizing that they're like,

Brandon  30:24

daydreaming about some sort of, like, idealized time in the ancient, in the not even ancient past, right? Like 150 years ago, that, like, was a better time, right? And so they're like, they're like, idealizing that as better, right? And they're like, longing for that, but the thing they want didn't exist, because 150 years ago. I mean, there were some parts that were cool, but, um, well, yeah, I know, right? Like,

Collin  30:59

there's some other parts who are very bad. Well, I have yet to understand this desire or this why there is this fascination with ancient civilizations and empires that they must have had an advanced technology like i It's weird to be how that that is just a pervasive thought of not just, oh, how do I explain the similar structures around the globe, right? It couldn't possibly be the fact that people arrive at a similar form to to to accomplish a simpler function, right? Certainly that couldn't be the case. But also, like no, the Egyptians had to have had a particle accelerator in the giant pyramids of Giza for reasons. Like, it's like, what,

31:48

how did, how

Collin  31:49

did you get there? Like, no, seriously. Like, we need to explain. Like, why is that something that is just so important? And it's, a lot of people think a lot of it's, a lot of people think that there were a lot of different civilizations that had very advanced technology. It's one of those common thoughts. Like, I don't know, it's very I've never understood that. Sorry.

32:17

I was turning the fan on, yeah? Like,

Collin  32:19

I think that some of it

Brandon  32:23

comes with an Oh, like we people in the modern day, so like, whatever year you're currently in, right? They see themselves at the end of a timeline, right? Like all of human history has led to you, sure, right? And so like when you look around and you see certain things that are not happening, right? You're like, Well, why? Why is my time not better? Why are we doing these things like, why are we not, you know, why do we still have energy problems, right? Why do we Why is nobody solving these problems, right? Why is society in this state that it's in? Because there's, like, a general dissatisfaction with things, right, like low wages and, you know, all these corporate billionaires and this kind of thing, like, this very big disconnect between like you and like, the way that you like, you know, when you're you're little and like, people tell you about how the world works, and it's like a very it makes a lot of sense, and it's like very idealized. And then you grow up and you realize, oh, this is not, that's not how it works. There's a lot of like, junk here. There's a lot of like, greedy people, and there's a lot of like, stepping on each other's necks, and it's like a very cutthroat and so like the idea of, like a civilization with, like, a lot of technology, and like equality and like free energy. These are like exciting ideas, right? Because that's where we should be, right. If you look at like the futurism of the 1950s right? That's where we should be now,

Collin  34:06

right? But we're not there,

Brandon  34:09

you know, like we're we're back in 1880 again, right? We are in the new Gilded Age, pretty much, right? And so a lot of these, like the problems of society don't go away. And like, I think it's like a coping like you're trying to figure out why, like you can't, like you're like, maybe it's the late stage capitalism that's the problem. Maybe it's government. Like, the government does suck, and they do lie to you, not about this, right, but like other

Collin  34:43

things well. And if you believe that, they would have lied to you about other some things, right? It's very easy to then go, well, then they will have lied to me about insert,

Brandon  34:52

because they do lie to you about stuff. Yes, they do, right? They do. And like, now, are they lying to you about? Like, I. Is every world government getting together and lying to you about the existence of an No, no, they're not, because it's dumb, but like, there's like a general dissatisfaction with this kind of stuff, right? I think that's where some of it comes from. You

Collin  35:16

know what I mean, like, and so, but again, that's where it gets

Brandon  35:21

dangerous, too, because they start, like, talking about things. And they start talking about, like, you know, some people are dissatisfied with, like, their lack of cultural identity, you know, because you're American in 2024 so you're like, What is my culture? The problem is, if you're, like, a white dude, you're like, Well, what's my white cult?

35:40

Oh, oh no,

Brandon  35:44

oh no at all. We're back on that, back onto that pipeline to bad places you don't want to go. So that's why, that's why, like, even though this seems like a really goofy, weird thing, like, there are dangerous elements, like, deep below the surface like, Oh no,

Collin  36:02

yeah, oh no, oh so.

Brandon  36:09

So we're gonna move on to part two of my notes here.

Collin  36:13

Hey,

Brandon  36:15

I have I call this refining points, or things that confuse Tartarian believers, right? Here we go. So this will get into some of their major evidence and why it's wrong and you shouldn't believe it, right. So, so number one is cameras, right? They don't really understand the technological development of the camera, right? And so they say things like, Why were there no pictures of these buildings being constructed? Okay? Like, tell me that you currently live in 2024 without telling me you live in 24 like people in 1840 did not have access to a camera 24/7 Yeah, right. Like, this is not a thing. It was, like, new and exciting. Like, photography not really taken off until like, 1850

Collin  37:11

right there. Like, I mean, there were cameras pre 1850

Brandon  37:16

but like, the derigatype photos, like the tin type stuff, and this is, like, a whole, you know, blah, it's like kind of edge on metal and this whole thing, right? Um. And then not until, like 1888 did Kodak really get on with the, you know, first, like Kodak cameras, which, again, cool, more accessible,

Collin  37:34

not really the best quality, nope. But, you know, whatever. So one thing that they will mention is that they'll be like, Yo, why are all these pictures of all these old cities empty?

Brandon  37:52

Oh, right, right? Because, because they were down, yeah. So the photographs the city looks empty, right? So you have all these giant buildings, right? And, you know, you got these big buildings and everything, but this, there's no people in the city. You know, they give you a lot of this, like, language. The other thing that makes me angry, I'll get back more on this later too, I guess. But like, you know, the the language that they use to talk about this thing, like, well, we are told that, yes, I hate that, but like so, so they think, like, oh, man, there's no way. Why would they have pictures? But like, these cities are empty, so that means that the population of the city is not what it lists on the thing that sentence information is fake because there's nobody in this picture. But they don't understand is that in order to get a good photograph in like 1860 right, you're gonna have an exposure time of like 20 minutes,

Collin  38:52

right? Yeah, so all of the people won't show up because they're

Brandon  39:00

moving, moving, right? And so you can see this in some later pictures from like, 1870s and stuff like that. They'll be people, but they're, like, weirdly blurry, right? That's because the exposure time is shorter, but it's not instantaneous, still not best. It's still, like, several seconds, right? So the reason that you get all these like big, empty cities with no people in them, is because the people are not being caught on camera, because they're not standing still, right minutes, right? If you've ever wondered, if you've ever looked at a picture, an old photograph, even from like the 1890s and you wonder, why are none of these people smiling? Life must have just been miserable. Everyone is so mad. No, it's because holding a smile for the amount of time necessary for the exposure was exhausting. It was really difficult, and your picture would blow. Or so by just having a neutral expression, you're able to stand still for long enough to make a nice photograph, right? So, like you know, old cameras,

Collin  40:15

not wonderful, right? Not great. It's a whole thing, right?

Brandon  40:24

Other things that they've understand, right? The common, a common phrase you get is, well, so I think another reason, another reason that I get angry about this is a lot of these videos specifically target Midwestern cities, because a lot of our old buildings are still there,

40:44

right? Because, so

Brandon  40:46

unlike the East Coast, not, not to say that there's not old buildings on the East Coast, there are no let's

Collin  40:51

brag on the East Coast, it's fine. Let's go ahead.

Brandon  40:53

So like, but land value is so high, yeah, that a lot of old buildings end up getting torn down and rebuilt. Yes, right here in the Midwest, there's, you know, the property values are more well, not in 2024 but like, historically, like much more reasonable. And so like, just, sort of like, upkeeping a building

Collin  41:20

and reusing it for other things

Brandon  41:23

is feasible, right? So you are, you are correct that we are reusing the buildings, right? But it's just that they're like, now a different office building, right? Or like, right? So like, they're not completely rebuilding. And I think one thing that I get really angry about is because a lot of the videos are about like Kansas City, right? And here's like, you're really, really weird. It is really, really weird. And there's like, there's a ton of videos about like St Louis and Kansas City and like Dubuque, Iowa, like Bro, why are you hating

Collin  42:04

on Iowa like that, like Minneapolis. And you're like, bro, what, like, what? But they,

Brandon  42:14

they say all these words, like, oh, because, you know, they have this like, idea that, like, oh, Kansas City, it's like, on the prairie. Like,

Collin  42:24

I mean, yeah,

Brandon  42:27

but, like, it was a giant transportation hub, right? And then they wrongly look at a railroad map from like, 1850 and say, Well, why would Kansas City be at the center of this map? They must have, it must have already been an important city to be at the center of this map, instead of saying, No, it's a really important cow town that blew up really fast and became a railroad hub to the west rest of the United States. Huh? They have it backwards.

Collin  42:57

Yeah. It's not that this was worth, like, it was worthless around it. And so there's no reason for this to have been here. It was because of its exact location that made it exceed, exceedingly valuable, right? Yeah, in on the

Brandon  43:11

river, right, on, like, where the cows came in, right? It's a big cattle hunt, right? Yes, anyway, so a big refrain that they will say is, like, I can't believe that a person could build

Collin  43:27

this building with a horse and buggy.

Brandon  43:30

That's what they say. They really fixate on, like that horses were a major transportation feature of the 1800s so people that are, you know, you can't trans how you're going to transport all this rock on horse and buggy, right? I

Collin  43:46

mean, if you look at like,

Brandon  43:49

the Minneapolis state capital, right? Or City Hall state capital thing, it's enormous. Well, like, it's a whole city block of building, right? It's crazy. There's a lot of old buildings in Kansas City that are, like, really, really big, right? But again, so, so first of all, we're doing the same thing that we do to the Egyptians, right? You're really underestimating how simple machines work and how effective

Collin  44:15

they are at multiplying force, right? So if you just think about, like a pulley in the lever, well, they go, I mean, you're halfway there already, exactly. Yeah, right, right, yeah, but, but another thing you got to think about, the steam

Brandon  44:34

engine was invented in 1606. Okay, 16, yeah, oh 606. There was several developments until your boy, James Watt, came along in 1764,

Collin  44:53

and really just ramped up how

Brandon  44:57

the steam engine worked, which made. Industrial Revolution happened, right? So like these people are not building these buildings with their bare hands. They have steam power, they have trains. They have steam shovels, right? The first steam excavator was built in 1796,

Collin  45:24

okay, steam power and, and I guess this is where this kind of thing, like, really falls off of it for me, because, like, it's one thing to look at the pyramids and say, No, there's no way people built this. And like, Sure, maybe you could quibble about that. But in the 1800s like the 1800 to say that that technology didn't

45:54

is just like, wow, wrong.

Brandon  45:58

I know it's a technology. The mechanical technology that we've had in the 1800s is astounding. Yes, industrial revolution is in full swing by, you know, 1820 right? It is going like, we are going, we got stuff, right? They're like, well, you know, they'll be like, oh, man, there's so many bricks here. I can't, how did they make this name bricks? They had industrial size brick factories. Factory, it made millions and millions of bricks, yeah, per week, right? That's, that's, that's how it is. Man, like, yeah.

Collin  46:38

And guess what? Yeah. The reason they had that industrial way of making bricks is because they needed to make a lot of bricks, because they used bricks to build things. Yeah, so, yeah, huh, like, there

Brandon  46:50

was a lot more like nowadays, right? Do you know any stone masons? You know, probably not. You know how many like brick masons were probably in Kansas City in 1840 hundreds, I'm guessing hundreds, right? So I don't even worry about it, oh

Collin  47:05

man.

Brandon  47:07

Other things that they confuse these people would just be the concept of architectural style, right? Because, because, you know, you're like, oh man. First of all, they're like, oh, this building has a giant foundation. Like, yeah.

Collin  47:24

It's a seven story brick building. Of course, it

Brandon  47:27

has a deep, giant Foundation, otherwise it would fall over,

Collin  47:32

yeah. How else do you think things are built here? What are you talking about? What do you mean? So, so, like the fact that

Brandon  47:45

in the 1800s there is vast communication between Europe and the Americas, right? And during the 1800s like the the architectural styles, there was a lot of really popular ones, right? It's, it's basically Clara. Hold on. Let me start that sentence over again. Words is hard sometimes, you know,

Collin  48:09

it's characterized by a lot of, like,

Brandon  48:13

a ton of, like, really briefly popular architectural styles, right? And so, like, any time during that, like, 12 year period, like, tons of buildings are going to be built in that style, right? And then another style becomes popular, right? So on both continents. So when you're saying, like, Why do buildings in London and buildings in Kansas City look the same, they were built at the same time? Yeah, that's just how it works.

Collin  48:39

There's telegraph bro and well, and people were traveling back and forth across the ocean. And people were it's not as though these, again, 1800s of like, the a lot of

Brandon  48:53

these buildings, a lot of the other confusing thing, a lot of the buildings they talk about are built in 18, like, 80, yeah, right. And they're like, I don't understand how this building could only be built in six years, in 1880 like, I have news for you, buddy, they definitely how it worked. And yeah, there's lots of travel back and forth between Europe and England and the Americas, right? International traveling is becoming a popular thing, so the fact that all of these buildings look similar is not an accident, right? And the other problem is we have a lot of revival styles popular, right? So a brief list of several popular styles during the 1800s This is by no means an exhaustive list, but just like some of my favorites, right? You have Romanesque Revival, Queen Anne style, Moorish revival, Beaux Arts. I love the Beaux Arts buildings, by the way, uh, Renaissance revival, baroque revival, neoclassical Greek Revival, and, of course, Second Empire, right? Yeah, like, Second Empire buildings. But, like,

Collin  49:54

that's just a couple of them in that giant time span. So, like, I. Come on,

Brandon  50:05

right? To piggyback off this things that confuse them. I wrote down urban planning, right? Urban Planning difficult to understand, right? One of the things that they talk about is you will look at some of these old buildings, right, especially like Queen Anne and some of these buildings, they'll say like, why is the first floor up high? Right? You have to take stairs up to get to the first floor of the building. This is clear evidence that the original first or second floor has been flooded with mud and then dug out, right, like

Collin  50:41

in, like, in, like Seattle and some other cities where they abandoned the floor and race, oh,

Brandon  50:48

they go. Now that that's another thing that happens. We'll get to that second number one. One reason is that in a lot of places, the first floor is raised and there's like, windows in the basement because there's no light bulbs, right? You don't have light bulbs until much later. So I wrote that down, but I can't remember what page it's on. Oh, yeah, into the early 1900s

Collin  51:13

it wasn't quite common, right? So, so you have a window so that your basement can have light in it?

Brandon  51:21

Boom, yes, yeah. Another reason is that the because the primarily mode of transportation during this time is horse. You know what you really don't want at street level your door, because you know what the streets full of manure, horse stuff, right? You want to step up so you don't have all that stuff coming in the building. Man, now the other thing that does happen, right? You mentioned Seattle, and I'm glad you did, because another thing that does happen, and why some buildings do have a first story that is below street level is because the streets have been regraded. Yeah, right. Sometimes it's because of actual flooding, like water flooding. That's what happened to Seattle. They regraded a bunch of the streets, and they raised the streets

Collin  52:13

up to help with flooding,

Brandon  52:17

right? So there's no like, they're not flooding in the buildings, or, you know, you're just, like, rebuilding the street right over time, you just build on top of each other. So, like, as you take out trolleys or something, you know, you build the street up and the street just comes up. Regrading the street makes transportation more efficient, right? Cars can drive better when they had to do it for cars, right? They had to widen the streets and regrade them and make everything a little bit flatter so that all the stuff work better. So sometimes the building, the ground around the buildings, does rise, but that's because of urban planning, yes, right?

Collin  52:55

And to make the roads work, you know,

Brandon  52:58

that's it's not a it's not a surprise, mystery, right? It's why, right? Other things that confuse these. Oh, I told you, I come back to churches. Him now, I said all these churches are found buildings and are repurposed their original purpose. These buildings, they say, are batteries that generate free electricity.

Collin  53:29

Okay? Now we're more in the wheelhouse as far as, okay, the pyramids event. So

Brandon  53:34

now we've gone way. We've Yeah. So they say, one person I saw, he said, the reason that all of these churches look similar is because they're used for similar purpose. So close, no, and yet his, his was battery, right? That's why it tapers as it goes up, not because to make the brick way less, you taper it in and you have the steeple, which is really important part of

Collin  54:07

iconography, no, no, no battery, right now,

Brandon  54:11

I think one of the reasons right because church steeples right. Also side note here, a lot of these people just call every single church a cathedral, which pushes up glasses. Actually, the cathedral is only the official church with the Bishop of the Diocese is associated. So they go, I thought being pedantic would be important at this time,

Collin  54:41

right? Churches have big things on the top right,

Brandon  54:45

oftentimes religious iconography, right? It's usually some sort of cross or something, right? And so they will they I heard several people say,

Collin  54:57

then, why

Brandon  54:59

does. Sometimes it looked like the top of the building is glowing, if not gathering of atmospherical energy.

Collin  55:11

Again, we're so close, right? We're so close. We're almost there, right? First of all, a lot of these buildings have lightning rods on them. So there's that, right? They're tall, yeah, okay, they're tall. They have

Brandon  55:27

lighting rods on them so they don't get struck by lightning and burn down, you know. So that's the big metal thing you're seeing on a lot of the roofs, on the really tall ones. Sorry, to burst bubble. But also, Saint, almost fire is a thing that exists right now. No, not the 1985 movie,

Collin  55:46

not that, not that. Saint almost

Brandon  55:50

fire, right? I'm talking about the ionized electric field around objects that makes them appear to glow, especially in and around thunderstorm activity, right? Often observed on sailing ship right back in the day, so back in the 1700s right? This is a big, common phenomenon for sailors. I will excuse you for not knowing about st animals, fire, kind of a niche thing, kind of not a thing that gets talked about anymore, because, you know, we don't sail Tall Ships and we don't do this stuff, but that is what's happening at the top of these, like steeple buildings, because, like, the narrower the top of the building, the more pronounced the effect will be, and the more common it will be, right? Because all of that is charging around the one point, right? You're getting more energy around the singular point. So that's what you're seeing at the top of the churches is the same as fire, right? So there you go. Fun little debunk via in there. Um, yeah. The last thing here that I have on my list of things that mud flood believers don't understand is economics. 101, right. Okay. Really sweet, you know. So again, the the argument is, we don't build buildings like that today, right? You look at like some like the old libraries, or, again, like in talk about all the Kansas City Building, right? All the time, space, crazy. Why don't we build buildings like that today? We get mobilizing. It's not that we can't,

57:27

well, I mean,

Brandon  57:30

it's that it would be stupidly expensive in 2024 right? Yes. So, so here's something about the idealized 1800s that you may not know. Um, working conditions for people was horrible, and worker pay was extremely low, yep, right? So you can build a really big, fancy building out of really expensive material,

Collin  57:53

if you have cheap labor costs,

Brandon  57:55

right? So if you can use marble and granted and all this stuff, if you have cheap labor, right? It means you can build the building, right? That's why, random places in Montana, they talk about this one place, like a railroad station out of Montana had this giant building. It's not there anymore, but, like, huge building it was, it was, like a railway guy, hotel thing, right? Yeah, because he was like, Oh, I'm on the railway and I'm gonna build this big thing, like out in the middle next to little tiny huts, was this giant, like Moorish revival building, right? But materials expensive labor cheap in the 21st century, right? Because labor is very expensive, you have to use cheap material, right? It's not esthetically pleasing, right? I understand, right? I don't like the look of modern architecture sometimes, right? It's because that material is much cheaper than Marvel,

Collin  58:55

yeah. Well, so basically, what this means is is, let's say you want to build a $100,000 again, just or let's say, a million dollar building. Back when labor was super cheap, you could use all the really expensive, really nice materials to make up a larger percentage of your overall budget. Now that labor is massively through the roof. That takes up even more of your budget, so you don't have as much money to spend on the materials. So you have to cut those and use cheaper versions of those. Yeah,

Brandon  59:31

right. And so plus mark architectural styles change. And, like, you know you could blame mid century modernism, if you want, I guess it curse you. Like, really, right, and all your stuff, but, like, that's it, that's, that's what they that's one of the big reasons, right? And so when you say, like, again, like I talked about, like, there's a big number of buildings like this in the Midwest, right? Random small towns just still have buildings like this. Like, we are downtown has a lot of really old building, yeah, because

Collin  59:58

fixing them, you.

Brandon  1:00:00

And just sort of maintaining them is way less expensive than completely knocking them down and building something else, right? It's because of the property value stuff like that, right? And, you know, I heard, I even saw a video where they were talking about, like, Well, why does this small town have all of these great buildings here? You know, this what we're talking about, right? Like, you know, and why are they abandoned? Now, that's because all the industry in the town, left, right? We think about our good friends in Waukesha. How's it going?

Collin  1:00:35

That's like that, right? No more railroad, no more industry, all these really awesome buildings just sitting there, empty, right, repeat 1000s of times throughout all of the Midwest. You know, you have all

Brandon  1:00:52

these towns that were like really big railroad hubs, or big important stops on a railroad, or they had, like, a very specific industry. There was, like a factory there that employed, like everybody, and then that factory closed down and went away, and all the jobs in the town that were servicing all the people that live at the factory worked at the factory Well, I

Collin  1:01:11

mean, in 1800s lived there too, basically, like, that's where all the money in the town was coming from. And

Brandon  1:01:20

then it's not sustainable. If you take out the money so they dry up and they die and it goes away, and it is sad that all these really cool buildings are sitting there, unappreciated and unloved and empty, but that's the reality of economics, right? I understand why you're angry about that, right?

Collin  1:01:40

I get it, but that's, you know, that's it. That's how it works. So, yeah, boom in closing on. I wonder why this makes me so angry, right? I would like to start my closing statement here with a quote from my good buddy, Isaac Asimov, right?

Brandon  1:02:07

That, I think, sort of encapsulates some of my thoughts here, very famous quote here, there's a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been the strain of anti intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge, right? So like, the argument of like, well, I can believe this. I'm special. I know

Collin  1:02:35

a thing that you don't know, right? Tries to put you know, I

Brandon  1:02:40

think that again, when we get back to like, why do people gravitate things like this? Like, that's why, right? Like, I know a thing that no one else knows how cool I am. Yeah, right?

Collin  1:02:50

I get to be special. I get to be Yeah, you know something, yeah, no

Brandon  1:02:54

on something, right? Because they are, like, left to the side of the Jeff Bezos of the world, who have like, 70 bazillion dollars, and the world isn't fair and you are struggling, you got to be in on something, right? And maybe secret Tartarian government is the thing that you're in on, right? Like, and again, I just like the way that the information is presented in, like, just boldface lying to you, like, we can't build buildings today like that. First of all, the sangrata familia Cathedral Church in Barcelona, Spain, that started being built in 1882 and is still under construction because they're doing it like this,

Collin  1:03:37

right? Like, I mean, that's, it's

Brandon  1:03:42

just a piece of evidence right there, like they are building a building, and it's taking a billion years. And the reason it's taking so long is because it's being funded by like, family, but still, right? Still doing it. Or the Gideon castle that we talked about in Burgundy France before, they're just building a castle, just like you would build a castle back in ye olden days. They're doing it like it's not impossible. It's just there's no financial incentive to do the thing right. And like, the intentional dishonesty of using phrases like what we are told supposedly they want us to believe like that's not, that's not proof of anything, right? You're just like, talking a bunch of word salad and taking advantage of people who don't

Collin  1:04:30

have a background in the thing you're talking about. Right? That's charlatanism, and it is bad, right? Just like, ah.

Brandon  1:04:43

And then I, like, I said earlier, I think, just like, the complete lack of scientific understanding or ignorance of history, right? Because, like, if you

1:04:53

don't understand how science works, right, that's how you end up here, where you go, like, oh, well, instead of saying. Like somebody thought this in, you know, this year, and then two years later, somebody

Brandon  1:05:06

came along with a better theory that disapproved him. No, no. They look at the oldest one and say, Oh, well, they don't talk about that because it's being covered up, right? That's not, that's not how science works. That's not how history works, right? You just learn new things and then supplant the knowledge with things that were incorrect, you know,

1:05:30

and like, if I think this is the big one, if this didn't happen, right, if, if there was a reset that that means that a lot of, like, extremely well documented things and people are not real, right? So you can't tell me that, like Napoleon wasn't real, right? You can't tell me that that is not a thing that happened, right? You can't tell me that the Tambora volcano eruption wasn't a real thing because history reset and it didn't happen. It's not that's not how this works, right?

Collin  1:06:15

So, yeah, and in closing,

Brandon  1:06:18

I think the last thing is that a lot of the evidence presented is always like, well, it looks like this, so it must be this,

Collin  1:06:27

which is not evidence of anything at all. And it makes me grumpy that that is just like, good enough, right? Like,

1:06:38

I think this looks like a brick. It must be a brick. I saw a video today of a guy, again, he was against city. I don't know what they got against Kent city, but like he was looking at what is very clearly a rock outcropping, and he said, Well, this list is clearly ancient brick that's been buried.

Collin  1:06:59

It is most assuredly limestone and shale, right? It's just limestone.

Brandon  1:07:07

But he was like, prattling on and on about how it's brick because it kind of looks like brick because, yeah, some limestone looks kind of like brick because the Frost was wedging and stuff like, it just like, No, I can't understand what this stuff is in the middle. It must be mortar. It's shale. That's a very common geologic structure in Missouri is alternating limestone and shale. Like, come on, it's too much. It's too much. Ah.

Collin  1:07:39

So there we go. I think I've ranted enough for now about this, about my great, maddening rabbit hole, very incensed by and enraged by this, uh, this very terrifying theory. But yeah, here we go.

Brandon  1:08:03

Thank you for coming to my TED talk about things that make me angry this week

Collin  1:08:10

actually has been being built for how many? Yeah,

Brandon  1:08:13

1882 to current is the time there, right for the Gideon castle in Burgundy France that they're just building with medieval castle building techniques that's a little old, but still, the idea that it's possible and that those techniques are viable, it's just a matter of, like, economics, like we talked about, like the Sagrada Familia Church is like being built by like a family. So they just like, have to bankroll it little by little. So the reason it's taking so long is not that, you know, it should be easier modern times. It's because

1:08:54

it's so stinking expensive to do it,

Collin  1:08:58

it's so hard to understand that, right? Of like, yeah,

Brandon  1:09:01

just how much that we don't have, because they have cranes and they have

Collin  1:09:05

modern stuff, but paying for it is, is horrid, right? Like, it's so crazy. And like,

Brandon  1:09:13

like I said, the intentional dishonesty and, like, the gaslighting you, of like, just being like, well, they, when they say things to be like, Well, we are told, or supposedly, or they want us to believe this, right? This is just like, charlatan language, right? Like, I have the answers that no one else has, and I'm just going to tell you about them, but, like, it's, it's false, right? It's just lying to you. You know, it's just so dishonest and terrible. And I think where it really breaks down for me is that we have a very, very complete lack of the understanding of how science works, right, where, when you have, when you take evidence, right? Let's say somebody wrote a book in 1835, Five, and then somebody wrote a book in 1840 talking about how that guy was wrong, right? A person that doesn't understand how science works and how peer review works and how, you know, getting new information through experiments works, might look at that and say, Oh, they're just covering up the 1835 guy. They just don't want you to know what he was all about. He was actually right all along, yeah, but he, he just, he was working. He was probably right for 1835 Yes, right? And then people found new information that made him incorrect.

Collin  1:10:35

And in science, that is a good thing, right? That's, that's the whole point.

Brandon  1:10:42

It's not like, Oh no, you're terrible. Like, some of this stuff, you know, some of these people's ideas, like, they were probably good at the time, right? Like, blah, blah. And then also, another thing is, like, just the complete ignorance of history. So if, if this theory is true, and there was some sort of like mud flood, air quotes reset that happened sometime between 1812 and 1850

Collin  1:11:12

that means that Napoleon Bonaparte was not real.

Brandon  1:11:21

That means that the Tambora volcanic eruption of 1815 one of the most gigantic volcanic eruptions in the history of the world, was not real, right? A whole litany of things that happened in the 1800s

Collin  1:11:40

were not it means the Crimean War, potentially not real people.

Brandon  1:11:47

These are just stupidly well documented things that 100% did happen, right? And your theory implies that they did not,

Collin  1:11:59

that I can't. I just can't. I just can't. Yeah, when, when theory starts having, when these theories and ideas, basically, like all of that, that history and stuff, you know, just go ahead and never just forget it. It's not that big of a deal. Just never know that didn't happen. Yeah, that's and I

Brandon  1:12:18

think that is another thing just that just irks me, like mightily, because, like, the 1800s is actually an extremely well documented time span, and like, tons of important things happen, that means that Beethoven is potentially not real, right? Beethoven's Ninth century Ninth Symphony debuted in 1824,

Collin  1:12:46

potentially fake. You're telling me that Beethoven's Ninth Symphony

Brandon  1:12:51

is fake. Is that we're telling me right now

Collin  1:12:54

there's never a Beethoven. And then you just have to start getting into the like, the To what end like, but like, but seriously, like, why was this perpetuated? Like, like, I just, it's so, yeah, and I can't, can't even get enough people and in the government to actually do real work, let alone perpetuate this kind of thing. Yeah,

Brandon  1:13:19

I don't know agree on this nonsense, right? Like, yeah, again, you're telling me that King Leopold not real.

Collin  1:13:27

I think,

Brandon  1:13:29

I think many Congolese people would disagree. Um, right? And then I think, uh, kind of in closing, right? They, they only evidence that ever is presented to you is it looks like this, therefore it must be this. It's not it's not evidence, right? That means that the cloud that you saw that looks like a bunny must actually be a bunny.

Collin  1:13:56

Science works, right?

Brandon  1:13:58

I saw a dude in, again, Kansas City, because they hate on Kansas City all the time. Just irks me greatly, right? As a Missourian, get off, what are you doing? But he was looking at this thing, and he was like, Yo, this looks like old bricks that have been buried. What he was looking at is very clearly, limestone. Oh, right.

Collin  1:14:19

He's like, Yo,

Brandon  1:14:21

I like this looks like it could be mortar in between these bricks shale. It is shale because alternating limestone and shale formations are extremely common.

Collin  1:14:35

Man, oh, no,

Brandon  1:14:42

right? Some of the guy who was in some ways in Kansas, he's in this thing, he's like, Well, we're told that this used to be a quarry, but it looks kind of like a foundation to me, because it's a limestone quarry. And he's like. I can't figure out what these big cracks in the wall could be from.

Collin  1:15:04

It's a quarry.

Brandon  1:15:08

Wow. The town that you're next to has a lot of buildings built out of limestone. I googled it. I checked I literally, it literally took me less than two minutes. Yeah, well, and then that kind of proved the whole entire 22 minute video was 100% false. I disproved it in less than two minutes because I

Collin  1:15:31

did some googling. And that's ultimately where it's like, it just takes a little bit of knowledge and and where people just can't be bothered because, yeah, growing up in the Midwest, limestone is everywhere because it's really abundant, and it's a great building material for all the old buildings. Like, because they had access to it, and it was easy to work with,

Brandon  1:15:52

easy to work with, right? Like, how did they make this big, giant block, bro, that is limestone.

Collin  1:15:58

Look at it. It'll break off. It's actually very easy to, yeah, just what you have go breathe on it for a little bit like you'll be fine, and to not even put that much effort into it, and to be so caught up in your your preconceived notions and your biases, to not allow you to see that fact of everywhere people go, they're resourceful. They will use what they have to build things that either A, they have a previous connection and memory of, or B, there are only so many forms that you can use to perform a certain function in the world. Let's be perfectly honest, like you just, it's just gonna happen.

Brandon  1:16:45

It's crazy, right? Stuart's crazy. Wow. Yeah, you go. There is my deep dive into the rage inducing topic of the mud flood. Oh, and I guess in final, closing, do we have any geologic evidence of large layers of mud covering big areas?

Collin  1:17:10

No, no, we do not. Doesn't

Brandon  1:17:12

exist. There's not there. If you dig a hole in case, you will not find it. In case you're wondering,

Collin  1:17:17

actually, if

Brandon  1:17:19

you dig a test pit anywhere that this is claimed to have happened, you will not find any evidence of this at all. Yeah. So

Collin  1:17:31

get wrecked. Crazy how that works, yeah. So weird. Ah, man,

Brandon  1:17:40

I was even to share in rant well, you and all of our lovely listeners about the thing that's been driving me absolutely crazy this week. Now I'm

Collin  1:17:49

thoroughly depressed. Thank you very much. I

Brandon  1:17:51

appreciate that. Yeah, I had to share this with you. I had to share this Tartarian nightmare.

Collin  1:17:59

Yeah, you go, so boom, hooray. Rickets, okay, well, yeah,

Brandon  1:18:11

ah, yeah. In closing, I guess we should introduce our we decided on a notebook,

Collin  1:18:15

yes, yes, yes. So hard shift to to our upcoming summer book series, actually

Brandon  1:18:23

tangentially related, because it is actually of the time period kind of in question, you know, yeah, exactly. So we're Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking

Collin  1:18:33

of things that don't exist or

Brandon  1:18:35

may not exist,

1:18:41

oh

Collin  1:18:42

yeah.

Brandon  1:18:43

So I've entitled this page of my notes Samuel Langhorne, Clemens, or how riverboats shaped American literature. Oh, look at

Collin  1:18:53

that. Yes. Yes, we are. We are we are reading for our summer Connecticut, Yankee in King Arthur's Court. King. Is that right? Is that right? Okay, wanna make sure i i Actually, this is one of those books that I can't remember if I've ever read, because it was so long ago, if it did actually happen in my life. So I am going to be, I think, reading this with fresh eyes either way.

1:19:24

Yeah. So I don't think

Brandon  1:19:27

I've ever read it, but I do know that this is like, it's like, weirdly referenced just all the time in pop culture in America. Yeah,

Collin  1:19:39

that there are a lot of parts that I kind of know about, but, like, I

Brandon  1:19:46

don't think I've read the book, sure, right? I've never read the source material. Like, I'm familiar with references a little bit, but I've never actually read the story too. So maybe I will become even more familiar with. Since afterwards, even more.

1:20:02

Aza, yes, yeah, yeah.

Collin  1:20:04

So you're gonna start seeing it everywhere. Now that's probably, that's how that works, right?

Brandon  1:20:08

Yes, how it works. You think, oh, it's everywhere. So, everywhere, everywhere.

Collin  1:20:14

Yeah, okay, so, yeah, so, yeah. So that's, I'm very excited to dive into this

Brandon  1:20:21

pretty good. Have you ever read any other Twain? Or should we save that conversation for next week? Let

Collin  1:20:25

me start. I think we, can, we? Can we can just talk about a little bit here? Okay, obvious, honestly, the Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer, yeah, is where I'm coming from. Insane.

Brandon  1:20:39

So except for, I have also read and actually thoroughly enjoyed the celebrated jumping frog of Calaveras County. Okay, I got the short story. That's like the short story thing that he did. I read that one time in like a lift. Yes, it's hilarious to sell that, but yeah, other than the celebrated jumping frog of Calaveras County, also really just hug Finn and Tom flare. That's it.

Collin  1:21:03

That's all I got. Yeah, so, yeah, I think we'll, next week, we'll, we'll launch into, into that. We'll, we'll talk a little bit about our is his place. I want to talk about a little bit of his placement in in history. Yeah, a little bit of background, little background little background and influence on uh, on uh American, uh culture and everything. I

Brandon  1:21:26

think so. I think so because I, again, I'll re mention this next week. I started a couple notes about him, but,

Collin  1:21:31

um, like, really, like the American author, right? Like,

Brandon  1:21:41

kind of one of the first to depart, sort of copying the English style, right? And it's like, it's like 100% American author, right? Like, not even trying to care literary tradition, right? Just like, except for this book is weirdly about King Arthur, but that's fine, but that's

Collin  1:22:02

fine, but, but it's of a style, right? It's definitely a style. Yeah? It's yeah. Just because it's using the same words doesn't mean that it's the same thing. Yeah? I

Brandon  1:22:10

think there's definitely a lot of commentary, yeah, very famous for that. So we'll get into that too, as well next week. We'll talk about that, but, yeah, leave it

Collin  1:22:18

there. Yeah. So look, ah, excited. I'm ready.

1:22:21

I too. I

Brandon  1:22:22

got my book. I've ordered it. I ordered a copy just because I have it, although it is part of Project Gutenberg, you can't just read it online for free. I

Collin  1:22:29

did see that I I'm not going to be reading it off there. I will be reading it off of a different version.

Brandon  1:22:37

So that's fine. I just, I was mentioning that, in case anybody else is interested in reading long, you don't have to buy it just there. You just read it. Yes, yeah, absolutely. I'm a physical media fiend, so I kind of have my bookshelf going. But other than that, we'll talk about that later. I'll tell you about that next week, because my issue is cool. But anyway, that's my next issue.

Collin  1:22:58

So my issues cool. I did. I got saved. Okay, okay, okay, save for that. Okay, and on and on that, on that cliffhanger, we'll stay

Brandon  1:23:09

there. And then I'll time for some haiku redemption. Yes, yes. As I as I want to do right little behind the scenes here. A lot of times, what I do is all like, I can come up with the first two lines pretty good, and then I have to sit on it and like, I don't have the last line for a while. Yeah. And that's what happened last week. I was just like, I had two lines, but I did not have a closer. Okay, so I usually my Haiku writing processes. I usually get the first two lines pretty good, and then I have to really search for how to close it out. And that's happened last week, and I fell behind.

Collin  1:23:55

Hey, so this is this has been simmering for a while now. So it's good, yeah, it's good, yeah. So

Brandon  1:24:00

here we go, strolling through the grass. Laughter floats along the breeze. Peaceful

1:24:16

revenge, of course, are going to walk in the city park time.

Collin  1:24:21

So nice, yeah, and, and the weather has been nice where we able to do that several more times too. So, yeah, so good, damn, I like it. Okay. Well, lots coming up with the book and everything. So we'll tackle all that next time.

Brandon  1:24:42

I'll write a few. I started a couple little notes about Twain. It's like just sort of in general things. So I'll add to that so we can have that to lead us off. And then we'll jump in

Collin  1:24:52

there, okay? And we will go, yeah. Okay. Very good. Thank

Brandon  1:24:56

you for indulging my very long episode, long rant. Here today.

Collin  1:25:00

I loved it. I loved it. Sorry about my weird technical issue. I don't know. So it's all good. We're good on this end. But yes, I mean, I loved it as much as I'm terrified by it. So knowing that that is actually out there in the world, I need an app now for sure. Yeah, same. Well, love you, love you, bye, bye, you.