I disagree with the internet

Collin went to the hospital. So we talk about how to fail well and stop being ‘safe’. Aaron thinks people actually CAN improve over time. Brandon does not have opinions about cars, but gives us a teaser for his journey of media consumption as he dives into the Wheel of Time. 

• It was a day

• Collin went to the hospital

• Explaining over and over and over again

• Healthcare is a service!!

• Adding one more thing - proverbial straw 

• Explaining the WHY

• Motivating students and athletes

• You’re terrible right now… wont be terrible forever

• Stop being “safe”

• Failing well

• As an adult??

• GROWTH MINDSET

• Goals vs objectives

• Useless platitudes 

• Actually listening!

• Collin “won” a prize

• And did not buy a car

• Teaser - Brandon has embarked on a journey of media consumption…

• Wheel of Time

• On Amazon to watch…

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SPEAKERS

Collin, Aaron, Brandon

Collin  00:04

Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast of three brothers. Trying to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon, Colin, and Aaron. On this week's show, I disagree with the Internet. Hello. Oh boy. Oh, boy. It has been a day. Oh look, I don't want to talk this entire episode, but

Brandon  00:44

all right. As ever, Aaron and I are here with the most helpful of advice. Surely. You know, like we do? Yeah, no, I know. I want

Collin  00:59

to I want to get some. I want to start off by talking about hospitals.

Brandon  01:06

What a lovely topic.

Collin  01:07

Yep. And how hostile they are to new clients, right? New new people. They are not helpful in any way, shape or form. So no, I I was required to go to hospital today. Do some routine lab work lab is based in the main hospital building. I have to go there to have these done. Right. Okay. Sounds good. Say I'm told show up. Tell reception. You're there for lab work. That's the end of the instruction I get from Doctor. Here we go. I show up. And they say, What do you need? Here for lab work. They said, Awesome. Sign In on this little iPad sit down. So I signed it on the iPad down a little popped up a little number on the iPad, that your number is like 5635. Which is pertinent because it's like, kind of close to myself. I never was always I was like, Okay, fine. What, because I had to put my first name, last name, number, right? all that junk in there. Okay, great. And then I pop in my earbuds, because I'm like, Oh, I'm sitting in a chair, something will happen. A few minutes pass and the receptionist people start waving at me and say, Sir, Sir, what's your number? I said, you know, 5065. And they point over into a corner of the on the wall. And there's a TV screen there. And it says, patient, my number. Now serving? Yes, is now serving patient, Booth three. And they said that numbers is your number has been called for a while. And I said I didn't know to look at the screen. There wasn't even like a Bing or a bong or like a guru or like a confetti drop or anything. And at no point did they say Register? And then you will see your number come up. On screen. Nobody said that. Nobody said look to the screen. They just assumed everyone knows that there's a screen to be locked out. I didn't. So and then they said, I said okay, cool. What's booth three? And they said, Oh, that's where you have to go check in. And I said, and booth three would be located. And they were like, oh, that's down the hall on the left suite. These are instructions that are needed, poor just to be successful. So I go into three, and they're talking to me. And she's like, Okay, I just have to call the lab really quick. And she gets on lab. And she's like, Oh, well, okay, hold on. And then she says, they want to talk to you and hands me the phone. Which is interesting.

Brandon  03:59

That's never happened to me before ever.

Collin  04:02

Why would they need to talk to me on the phone? This is weird. And she says,

Aaron  04:08

we heard about you headphone guy causing trouble.

Collin  04:12

Well, so she goes, she goes, Hi. Do you have an appointment? And I said, yeah, yeah, I got one who called it in. And I said, Give doctor's name. And she said, What's your name? Alan. And she went, Oh, here's your paperwork. And then she paused and I went, so is there a problem? And she goes, she goes, I needed to ask if you had an appointment. I said, I do have an appointment. Is there an issue? She goes, No, you just have to have an appointment to show up. And I said, Well, that's why I'm here because I have an appointment. And she was like, Yeah, you have to have an appointment to be here. I have no idea what actually transpired. Right, like Yeah, you

Brandon  04:56

know, are those pesky people just showing up at the hospital to get blood drawn for people on,

Collin  05:00

you know, a man who does this. She was like very adamant of like, I needed to see if you had an appointment. And I was like, why would I be here? You're talking to a lady who has a computer who surely can give you some identifying number to tell you about me? Why do you have to ask me? If I have an appointment? That's ridiculous. We're being honest. Like, just like, so then. Like, then I go down to the lab. And here's their the magical system that they have. They had an envelope with my name on it taped to the deaths of missing my paper for

Brandon  05:41

21st century ladies and gentlemen.

Collin  05:46

I was like, all through this process. The receptionist didn't talk to booth three, Booth three didn't talk to lab person. Lamberson I don't know what happens after that. I just walked out, I don't know if anything is oh, they didn't tell me to talk. They're not gonna

Brandon  06:01

give the doctor the results. Loser. You gotta go back and see.

Collin  06:06

The receptionist like, it just was a big reminder for me of like, how important user experience is when interacting with anything? Right. Well,

Brandon  06:18

I think we're, we also need to file this under

06:24

people who do

Brandon  06:28

an insanely relative list of tasks.

06:33

Right. Yeah,

Brandon  06:33

they know exactly how the hospital works. Right? It's they know is that because they're there all the time? You know, and I, I have this, I've noticed this kind of thing too, because I go to the hospital. Exactly. Never. And so I you know, when I do go to the doctor, I have to just go for like the checkup thing. So I got like, one time a year. Right?

06:58

Like, yeah, I don't know how it works.

Brandon  07:02

Because I don't do it all the time. Right. This happens at work as well, because like, you know, I might have mentioned this earlier, like, at the end of the school year. For some archaic idiotic reason. My school requires that I hand in a paper copy of my gradebook, right? Yes, right. Beautiful. Because, because we still live in 1979. And we have a big, like, permanent record vault somewhere that doesn't exist people, it's

Collin  07:32

just a file cabinet in a closet. Vault.

Brandon  07:36

No, it's a file cabinet in the closet under the stairs, probably. But they say, print your gradebook or give me your gradebook. Yeah, right. I'm like, oh, have a great book. I only know of one person in the whole entire school who has a paper Gradebook, right? Whoa. But I don't know everybody's thing. But I know for a fact at least one person. Still, you know, people because they always order month, beginning of the year, they'll get this email be like, give me an order your gradebook, like? No, I want that. Yes. But some people do that. They want that. I don't have that. I just put everything on the computer. They say, here's where your grades go, or the computer and I say okay. And then they say one time a year one time. They're like printed. I don't remember how that works. Because it's a task I perform once a year, exactly one time a year. I have no idea. I always have to be like, how does this work? I don't remember. I don't understand how work.

Collin  08:47

This is exactly the issue. You hit it out of the park. They each do their own thing. And they know the system. Well, it is so insular, right of like they do. I'm not the first patient that person saw today, even though I was there super early. And I'm not gonna be like they're gonna see 300 people, and it's all going boo boo Numa Numa Debian. And so when somebody asks, like, how this process works, which I forgot left that part out when they said I was done at Booth three, and they said, Okay, you can go to lab, and then they turn to walk away. And I said, where's that? And you could see in her face of like, how do I describe where to go? Like she knew it? It's like, you know, when he asked for directions how to get home and you're just like, I don't know, he just turned right and then left and you go over the hill and you go like, it's so engrained. You almost can't explain it. Yeah, exactly. And this is just a default of them. It's just the system and and how it works and and you're right like it's become so insular, so myopic of just like, This is what I do. And I'm now almost incapable of explaining this, or open to the possibility that somebody has no idea how this works. And I know health care is one of those systems where people complaint, like, patients have complaints about the system for this exact reason. And it's no fault of like, the nurses or any technicians or anything, it's just, it's their job. And so it was, I've been thinking about this a lot, because we've been taking on a lot of new clients recently, in our business. And at each stage, I kind of I've kind of started to develop this, this initial reaction, when somebody asks a question of like, the, like, come on, like, of course, your book, how you book like you just book, right. That's what you do, obviously. And I think at any point in time, in life, as a person, anytime you get to that point where you get a feeling of just wanting to say, well, obviously, like, you've kind of kind of missed something along the way. And I think that too often we get to, like I said, like, insular in my own life, where, obviously, we don't recognize that it's not obvious to everybody else. In our in our circles, or just people in general.

Brandon  11:09

Yeah, this is a thing that you have to deal with, as a teacher, every single day of your life. Right? It really puts it into perspective, because I have to repeat myself and godly amounts of time. Right.

11:26

But, but I always have to keep into perspective, like, I have told people

Brandon  11:39

many times a day, the answer to this question. I haven't told you. Yes. Right. And so I get upset. I think that's one of the things that like upsets me the most about like, my bosses and stuff like administration, because like, I am very conscious of this. Because, like, I've made that mistake before, obviously, that's why I'm so because I think about so much now. Right? I've had, you know, I've messed up before, obviously, as one does. And, like, I try to be very careful and being like, Yeah, I'm gonna explain it again. And that's okay. Because, like, I explained it like a whole bunch of times, like last hour. Now, this hour, I have all these new completely different people who haven't heard me say this. So like, I can't be mad. Right. I'd be idiotic, right. I can't be mad at you. Because I told you. Wait, you weren't even in the room. So I can be right. That's one of the many areas where I feel like, administration does not afford me that courtesy. Right. Because I'll

Collin  12:53

be like I told everybody was like, like, I

Brandon  12:54

didn't tell me that. So I don't know who this everybody is you're speaking about, but I have no idea what you're talking about. So yeah, I understand. I've been on both sides of that before. And I think about that a lot. Just because I have done that before. I've like messed up and like snap two people or whatever and be like, wait a minute, you weren't even in the room? Dang it. You screwed that one up, didn't I? And so it's about being introspective. And, and but again, I have a different goal than a nurse. Right? She is there to like, make sure that you do not. You know, we need super medical vision. Right? And that they are there to care for your medical needs. I'm here to teach you about science. So those are two different goals. Well, I think we have right.

Collin  13:49

I think I'm also reminded of people it's just this process of like, I think I was also frustrated by the fact that like, again, just the entirety of the broken system, like nobody's talking to one another. Like, nobody is passing along my same information. And it's that annoying thing of like, every time you talk to a new person, they're just like, Oh, you're who are you? Hi, what are you doing here? And you're like, oh my gosh, said this 90.

Brandon  14:14

I do wonder where that information goes with a typing in the computer because clearly it doesn't go to the next person I talked to you. I don't think you're actually

Collin  14:21

typing. I don't think that computer is on and if that are just not playing. So I

Brandon  14:26

also like the the extreme high level of security necessary for me to ask about like my blood pressure medication, right? Like, I have to tell basically, the receptionist my name, agency or number, right? And then I have to go to the nurse and tell her my like, all my information. And then I have to tell the nurse practitioner that information and then the doctor if they come in right It's like they need to verify it's me every single time like I have, what? What is this a thing to like people like infiltrate like, I'm gonna go impersonate Aaron today. Right?

15:13

Yeah, I don't understand. No,

Brandon  15:15

this is like, oh, what's your? What's your birthday? And you're so scared number like, I just need to draw my blood man. Like what is

Collin  15:27

exactly and this need to

Brandon  15:28

verify it's you like, of course it would be.

Collin  15:33

And this is that's part of that user experience, this is part of the problem, people get frustrated, and you end up like, just so jaded. And I was like very frustrated by the end of this because I get my interaction with this was extremely limited, but it was very eye opening, because again, we are bringing on a lot of clients, and I am trying my best to make sure that at no point do they have to guess what the next step is, or guess what's required of them as they move through the booking process or how they interact with the world. I think just as I was reflecting on that going, I think if more people sat down, and part of this is realizing the world a lot bigger than yourself, I think of our story arc Ponyboy and things that we've discussed previously of ah, yeah, title, Baloney, nice job of like, like, when you start to view more beyond yourself, a lot of things kick in there, you explain things differently, you talk to people differently, you take information in differently. And you are a lot more patient with people because you realize, Wow, I'm really frustrated, but I don't know what they're dealing with. Like it just it encapsulates so much. And

Brandon  16:44

maybe their friend just got gunned down by police officers for drawing weapons at him. You know, who knows? Who knows what's going on? And

Collin  16:49

this is true, exactly. You don't know. And you're left just kind of sitting there kind of going. So if that's how I started my morning, and I was like, this is this is it? I'm not. Oh, but anyway, so that was I was fine. Everything turned out fine. Everything, all levels were good, and all that good stuff. So it was again, it was the interaction of the brief time that I was there of like, this is awful. This is if this was if this is this reminder, like if this was a company and like for profit, which obviously allows for profit, don't kid yourself. If there is a company for profit, you just don't have another choice. So that's right, getting to the point. The third option there was a comma after profit. Okay, company, this is a for profit company, comma, with comp with legitimate competition, there

Brandon  17:46

is still legitimate competition. It's just people on the internet with healing crystals, bats the other,

Collin  17:53

which, you know, they have great customer service. I

Brandon  17:55

mean, obviously, because they did the healing crystal people are nicer to you than the doctors.

Collin  18:01

Every time I say it doesn't work. They just tell me to buy more. So weird. Like no, you're using

Brandon  18:07

the wrong instance with that crystal man. Oh, balance. Oh, yeah. I can smell Sedona Arizona like right now. I'm just so much sage in the air. Literally right of sneezing. We walked in sidenote, we weren't we were on our honeymoon. And we walked in the store and I immediately started sneezing. Right? It was so much like incense and like perfumes in there. I I had to leave the store. I couldn't deal with it. Sorry. Anyway, I just took it by the legitimate medical competition.

Collin  18:44

Like people wouldn't put up with it. If there was an actual, there was another if there were three other hospitals and 30 minutes of our town, this this kind of thing, or to anybody. This would be totally unacceptable. This is another reason why the dentists are so nice. Yeah.

Brandon  19:05

Right. Like, again, the dental user experience. My, in my experience with the dentist office that I go to

19:17

is like, excellent.

Brandon  19:20

Right? Just be the one I go to, you know, whatever. But like, it's fantastic.

Collin  19:27

And why is it good? goes? Yeah, it's just 19 on the same block. Right? Yeah.

Brandon  19:33

There are at least three dentists in my town, which is weird, because it's not really that big. But yeah, I mean, it's not like there's dentists and like they're really tiny towns around my town. So like that kind of makes sense against the club. Draw

Collin  19:45

going from there Yeah, I just, I'm just looking around and going. These are the kind of things people we have committee has to put up with because this is the option is infuriating. But, you know, here they are. And here we go. So don't have customer customers. So, anyway,

Brandon  20:22

I think it's partly because they don't think of themselves as a service industry.

Collin  20:27

Oh, no, no, no, no, they don't. Right. I

Brandon  20:29

think you're gonna get shouted out on the internet for saying is the service industry?

Collin  20:37

This is good point. It's a good one because it's it's, for some reason healthcare isn't considered service. Interestingly, why would it be exactly? You're left going? What is this? Well, it's healthcare. Yeah. But is it? How's it like, there's just, ah, you're right. And people aren't going to.

Brandon  20:59

Also international listeners laughing at us right now, please let us know about your superior

21:06

experiences.

Brandon  21:10

Yeah. So that we may wallow in our misery again.

Collin  21:16

But this was, this was just highlighted, like the problem of, of myopic individuals and corporate culture. Like that's another thing of like, it's just nobody cares. Because it's just is like, that's it from the top down. Everybody just knows what it is. And that's fine. And if you don't know, you just get yelled at or screamed at by somebody. You can also see this in TSA agents. Right? I think they get even worse, how many times that person has to stand up there though. No bottles over 20 ounces? No food? No goldfish, please don't bring alligators here. Why do you have pizza? Like they? Like, that's a whole

Brandon  21:49

other just catastrophe of completely made up and arbitrary rules that some random person has to enforce.

21:56

Right? Like, there's there's no reason that

Brandon  22:05

you have to only have three ounces of liquid on plane. Zero reason. Right? Right. It's because of that shoe bomber guy. That's why the gun you know, the one that didn't work, okay. So because of that, we had to, like make these like really extremely arbitrary, insane rules that say like, you can't do this, like, blah, blah, blah. And like, it's just, it's so insane. Like, and it's one of those things where I become conflicted. Right? In my youth. I was like, very angry about these kinds of things. Right? As a young, angry person, as a slightly older, angry person. I like. Right? You become conflicted. Right? Because you're going you're you understand there is like is is was in response to a thing. Right? And you're going okay, well, it kind of makes sense. I guess I understand why somebody did this. But like, why did they go this far?

Collin  23:09

Like, why is

Brandon  23:11

it like so extreme? And then like, part of me, the part of me that like, is really like destroyed distrustful of everything, right? Very like anarchic, right? It's like, they're just doing that. So don't bring me on drinks on the plane and have to buy your drinks. Right? You know, that's why they're doing the right I have to buy like, I'm a pretty so like, there are myriads of reasons why these things exist. You know,

23:39

you really have to, like, sometimes the source is

Brandon  23:45

less obvious, right? Yeah. Again, the TSA person, like because you want to be mad at them. Right? But you're like, Wait, you're just some dude at the airport with a wand, right? Like, I shouldn't be mad. I'm not mad like you individually. I'm mad at the system that created you.

Collin  24:06

Kind of a dark way of thinking it. But yeah,

Brandon  24:08

I mean, it's true. And the world that is that a mad at the world that made you necessarily right, some idiot decided to blow up a plane with a shoe. Like,

Collin  24:17

come on, and you're left exactly going. I now have a system that I don't like, why it doesn't serve my needs. It doesn't help people really, like we're just being honest. Like what at this point where we're dealing with, and this person is now kind of the face of that. Right? And I have to do something with that. Or this is, this is now the reality. And whether you're in a hospital who has you know? undecipherable policies and procedures are what the next step is, who knows? Or you're a TSA agent or you are in a school system with policies from on high about how to do some Think about print off books. You're just like, What? What this is? Somebody decided this a long time ago. Nobody has ever since stepped up said, why? Yeah, we're out there we had I

Brandon  25:11

think, I think this whole reason right not to get like, super political here but like this is why I mean, I think this, like this set of circumstances that you're laying out here. Right, this one more thing and one more thing. And one more thing. And one more thing. And one more thing. This is why there was such a like, enormous, like anti mask backlash. Right? Because it's yet another thing. You're telling me I can't do? Right. And I think it's one of those things where like, there's other reasons that we, you know, whatever. But like, I think the underlying reason, in my opinion, in my experience with dealing with this is that that was just one more thing. On top of the pile of things, right? They just made the Jenga collapse, right? Like, the proverbial straw is some instance. Right? There are other, whatever. But like, I think that's part of what made people so angry, was like, just one more rule telling me things I can't do. And then you were blinded, then that was like, you were stuck on that. That's it. You didn't think of anything else? Like, it was just that thing? You know,

Collin  26:31

because it was it happened in a context to have a lot of other things. Yes, we're told that you couldn't do that were dangerous that were being set forth. A lot of unknowns. And it came down to your right people. A lot of people looked at that and said, I've, I've had enough of you telling me stuff. And I am not doing anything. Right. Like, that's, that is our response. People had to that. And yes, and when, and that's what they raised their flag on. Yeah. And the

Brandon  27:02

fuels from many other sources. But I think the feeling

27:07

was the

Brandon  27:09

a major contributing factor, not say the, but like a matrix should be factor of like, it's one more thing that you're telling me I can't I'm not allowed to do. Right? Right. And again, I don't understand, like confusion, fear, blah, blah, blah, right? It just adds fuel to that like, feeling of like, I feel, I feel like really restricted, right, because I have to fall out, you know, doing all these things printed, you know, maybe these people went to get their blood in the morning. And they were just like, argued through and marched through these procedural steps that made no sense to them, right? Or, you do this a lot in your daily life, you have all these procedures that you have to follow that make no sense to you, but you just have to do it. Right? When you get another one dropped on you. It's like, right?

Collin  28:02

This is really good. Because this is a point of discussion in like, messaging. Clients, or the people or to masses, of, of how do you? How do you communicate things like tasks to people without overburdening them to how Yeah, that's a big thing. Like when you again, this is just where my brain has been lately, but like, I have been really scrutinizing the steps to onboard a client. A because we're doing it a lot in my face a lot of be, how many times do I have to say, Oh, also an array of like, okay, yeah, we're all good. Oh, also, and I need you to do this thing. I will also add, don't forget about this. I have been really feeling this and exactly what you've repressed, I'm right in there of like, we can stack things on top of people. But unless, like, they understand the why, or they have an urgent need, their ability to carry the also aliens or the other things we add to them, falls away very quickly. Just can't ask enough of them. You can't ask more of them when they aren't driven to take on that burden. And they will go somewhere else and do something else. They'll seek out another service and other provider, they'll seek out other options, right of either not doing a mandate or doing other things because they are not driven or motivated enough to take that off.

Brandon  29:32

Yeah. Yeah. That makes less sense. Right? It's as your level of overall frustration with things.

Collin  29:40

Well, you think of it when you're dealing with students, right? If you were giving out homework, and you said, Okay, and here's the assignment. Oh, also, and I need it to be blue paper. And I try not to do that. Because I don't like it. Forget, it's on Tuesday and you like it. Yeah. Right. Because, yeah,

Brandon  29:54

you have to make tasks manageable. Yeah, right. Otherwise, you're not going to do them? No, no.

Collin  30:03

You're not going to do them or be actively revolt against them.

Brandon  30:07

I mean, I would actively revolt against them. But that's just me. But like, that's, well, you know, when I'm when I think about this a lot in context of like learning, because students will always ask you like, Well, why are we doing this? Right? And because they're expecting you to not have an answer. Right? So I always, I'm always thinking about these things and making sure that I have a response to them. You know, like, oh, well, we're doing this because blam. Like, this is why, because we need to practice this skill, because black write something. Right, and not like some like esoteric answer, right? And acid don't like the answer, because you're needed later. That's not, that's not good for a 12 year old. They don't care. Right? They want to know why doing it right now. You know, and you have to sort of like, make things function that space, because if you're doing something, at least in my opinion, if you're doing something in a classroom environment, and there's no reason for it, you should start doing it. Right. Like, is it leading you towards mastery of a skill? Is it leading you towards something? Is it part of an overarching standard that you need to know get out of it? Get rid of it? Right. Now? That's except for like, you know, like, Oh, here's like a fun time activity that's not counting that stuff, right? I'm talking about like, educational, like, lesson planning and thought process raw cracy? Yeah, I don't care about that stuff. You know, and I just tried to tell the kids like, Why do you have to do this? I'm like, I don't know. I'll just tell them. I have no idea. Yeah, they're like, Well, why did why did they principals say that? I don't know. They might hate me for that. Right. And the administration probably isn't very happy. Sometimes. But I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I couldn't tell you because it hasn't been communicated to me. So I can't tell you. So

Collin  32:16

make stuff up, right. Or be like, ya know, like, tow the party line on something. And like, well, here's the talking point that I was told.

Brandon  32:23

Yeah. I don't need to do that. Here, man.

Collin  32:27

When you're motivating students, especially I think it's interesting when you're motivating athletes. Yeah, true. To trying to push them to do things that not might not have an exact connection. It's more difficult, right? Difficult. Specifically, I'm thinking of wax on wax off, like, why do I do that? And it's because it's a skill that you're going to develop later? How do you how do you approach students to get them and continue to keep moving forward? Because,

Aaron  32:52

well, days of all days, you asked me about coaching, when I'm very upset with my school right now.

Collin  32:59

Um, I know you sent me those. Yeah.

Aaron  33:03

Brandon, I'll put a picture in the in the group chat here in a second. But there's a little been one twice, I've wanted to cry due to sports. And today was one of them. Um, a lot of the things that we had to do with our kids, so especially we have a lot of freshmen this year from football, and a lot of them have never really been developed, when it actually comes to like true coaching. Because when they're in junior high, they were just kind of, you know, go to your head football. Yeah, whatever, oh, Junior High baseball, whatever. But now that they're rolling in with Varsity guide, now, I got seniors that have been doing some of the same stuff, since they were in like, you know, mighty Mike's basically. And so a lot of those kids that have been in, you know, maybe aren't, like developed athletically or skill wise, or just aren't there just to be there. You know, one thing that we tell them all the time is that everything we do has a purpose. Everything that you do has has a purpose. And even if it's a little purpose, even it's a little progression, it is still a step forward. And any forward progress is better than no progress. And so either if it takes, you know, a few hours, a full day, a full week to finally get it as long as you're, as long as you're making yourself better than what you were the day before. That's what we that's especially when I tried to teach a lot of these kids because we did agility drills, and today, and I had two seniors up there and they're just bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, killing it. But then I got like freshman, who's maybe played like one other year of football. And like, he struggled like his feet were all over the place. His head movement was wobbly, and I pulled him aside and I was like, Look, man, I can tell you're frustrated, like I get it. But one thing that you need to understand and one thing that no one's ever told you before, is that you're not going to be perfect now. Like that's why we practice championships on one on one on the field. They're one and developed in practice. So uh, weeks from now, you're going to be better at this than what you weren't. Two weeks from now, you'll be awesome a few months from now, this will be easy for you. And if you stay with it, if this if this is important to you, if this is what you want to do, if you want to make yourself better than doing this and building a little stepping stones all the way up until you become you know, maybe you'll fully develop when you're like a sophomore or junior, it's going to take a long time. And, again, I know you're frustrated, but everything we do has a purpose. And then as long as you articulate to them like the purpose of why we do this, because I had some kids out there literally, well, why would I need to use my feet like early? No, I'm uh, I'm alignment, I need to be strong and like you do. But you need to be able to go toe to toe with that 643 100 pound defensive lineman that's gonna come across your face, because you know, if you he's going to be faster than you. So you need to work up to get better. And he's like, Oh, I can't just bully him. And I was like, well, you're about 592 120 pounds, and probably not really gonna do a whole lot right now. But

Collin  36:03

you can, you can overcome a lot with leverage. Yeah, you can.

Aaron  36:07

You can be you can be strong. But you can also be quick, when you're quick and strong, you're dangerous. And that's what a lot of colleges look for, you want to get to the next level. That's what you have to work on. And so as long as kids understand why we're doing it, because that was our older coaches problems that he didn't really articulate things very well. So we'd have to come in to like, Hey, this is why we're doing this tank I love but getting kids to buy in. And having them understand that, hey, everything we do has a purpose. And like it's you know, if you're, if you're in basketball, this drill is perfect for this, if you're in football, this drill, or this exercise or practice form does good for this or, and so on and so forth. A lot of kids seem to understand it more, and especially the younger ones, and you're like, hey, look, you're I don't know if you know this, but you're terrible right now. And then they'll look at you hear me out, you're terrible. But you're not going to be terrible your entire life.

37:07

So this is

Aaron  37:09

why we do this. And then they're like, oh, okay, so once you once you do that with some of these kids, it's easier for them to, to get into it and get behind it a little bit more.

Brandon  37:20

Yeah, I think that's also that's really good point. You bring up everybody to me of something else that we talked about in my classroom. You know, I talk about like, do I expect you to know all of this right now? No. Right? Because we're learning it. Yeah, I mean, because like, sometimes we'll do a thing, we'll take some notes or whatever. And then we'll have like a little quiz game thing. You know what I mean? And it's the beginning of the year, they're always like, No, I don't want to do that. We just learned this like, yeah. I'm not expecting you. I look at it. Like, do you think I expect you to get all of these? Right? No, don't first of all, no, absolutely not. Right? This is just practice. We're learning things. Of course, not gonna get them all right. I mean, like, if you do sweet, but like, if you don't, that's fine. It's cool, too. No worries, right? We just give it like, it's not a big deal, like taking off some of that pressure. And saying, It's okay. You know, when you are doing things like, you know, messing up and is okay. Right, it's fine. Like, screwing up things is totally normal. You know what I mean? Like,

Collin  38:42

that's a, that's a mindset that doesn't get carried forward. To long run that, well,

Brandon  38:49

it, it also is sort of a like, it's not a broadly accepted mindset, either, right? Like,

Collin  39:00

especially as a quote unquote, adult, right? Oh, you're supposed to be a functioning you're supposed to have, you're supposed to like that. The and that's where a lot of, of, I'm gonna say, like, safety ism of like, eight, well, I can't go out and try something new. Because what if I fail? Or what if people don't? Right? I

Aaron  39:19

was I was about to bring that up. Because that's the one thing that I taught a lot of kids in baseball bat, I'm like, Look, you're going to fail at this. You're going to have days where you were just garbage. Right? But the only thing that you can control is your attitude and effort and only focus on things that you can control. And I always gave the example especially in baseball, I don't like you control the umpire now, can you control the batter? I'm sorry, if I'm talking to a pitcher, right? I'm like, Hey, you can't control the Empire. You know, you got to adjust to him. You can't control the batter. You got to adjust to him. If you can. If you only focus on what you can control. You're going to be fine. If you're sitting there like What if I, what are the things tomorrow and like, the only thing that matters is to hear now, if you go out there and fail, you fail, but I would rather and this is what I told a lot of the kids and they're kind of bought in now. And I'm like, I would rather lose than lose. Meaning, I would rather us go out there and fight, and try your best and go all seven innings. And you know, keep it a close game and just battle battle battle rather than just like, be 45 in the first half, like, yeah, and things like that, as we were a lot of times in football, eight man football reference, but like, you're going to fail. But what are you going to do to get yourself back up after you fail? Right. And so I a lot of those, a lot of those guys started to believe that like, and they the kind of the swagger, not like the I told them specifically, like you will not be that douchey baseball player on the road. Oops, we have I had my sunglasses backwards, like, No, you can't you can't be that guy.

Brandon  41:01

No, that's illegal. I agree your job.

Aaron  41:05

Like, you kind of have a little more confidence that of like, hey, look, if I fail, I fail. But I'm gonna go out there and ball out and only focus on myself and let the team do itself around me. So it's not like you're going to fail, and that's fine. But the failing is a learning experience. And and then baseball is kind of the beautiful thing about that. Because I'm like you fail more of the times and what you do succeed. No one talks about how many strikeouts Babe Ruth had, you had a lot. No one talks about? You know how many times Derek Jeter. Eric? Eric Dieter, they're gonna nail the first time struck out click Yeah, he had. Yeah, he had a lot of home runs. And they're both great players. But look how many times they fail first. And then like, oh, man, this guy struck out more times than he got homeruns like, Well, yeah. But it's what he did after he failed, or what, after they failed, that made them who they are

Collin  41:58

failing Well, and that's, that's a muscle. Right? That's, that's a that's a technique. That's a learned skill. That I think is a great, great asset that you don't tend to pick up well, like, in a classroom unless you have a teacher who's specifically focusing on it and working towards that. This is where I see a lot of benefit to well run extra curricular activities. Right. Like, the band taught us a lot about trying our best and, and still not winning first place. Right? Like that. And accepting that was a hard, right? It was it was hard to do.

Brandon  42:37

Yeah, it was carseats judges, I'm still not mad at you. Yeah, lunatics. 75, get out of here, that not

Collin  42:45

any way to pass that up. But like, that's a skill of like, I recognize I tried, and sometimes it doesn't work out. And but you still went out and did it. And you did it for your own reason, right? Everyone was on that field, playing their instrument marching along, working together for their own individual reason. And that teaches you a lot. And if it's important, then to make sure that's in whether that's or baseball or whether that's a science olympiad or whatever foreign language, you have to take that risk taking into adulthood. And, and continue to pursue those things. Because I think that's where you end up a lot of times of getting sucked back into this big system where you're not paying attention to the how everything is connected. And you are the year that we'll net cog saying, Booth three, right? Why aren't you at Booth three? I don't know where booth three like you just kind of get sucked back in and you stop expanding and trying new things.

Aaron  43:44

And I can I can definitely get no 100% behind that because my first year coaching in general, I had a I had a put a freshman on the mound and like put it out there my glove, Mandy got this strikes, you'll be fine. And then walk back to the dugout, sit down

44:03

and look up kids crying. I was like,

Aaron  44:07

every time I go back out there and I'm like, did you say there's no crying in baseball? Buddy? What are you doing? He's like, in a course in tears as a freshman,

44:20

because like, what if he hits it? And I was like

Aaron  44:25

this is a question. They don't teach you in college. Like what if they hit

Brandon  44:30

other people on the field? There'll be big. So it was like wounds like he's also what

Aaron  44:35

if he hits it? Like, yeah, make him try to hit it. And I was like, you can't get good you can't control him. And you know, if he you know, he's probably knowing our luck. That guy's a senior that's got like three college offers to go play division one baseball, so it's fine, but I was like, what are you gonna do about it? And he gathered up his tears and he at least got got us out of an inning, that same kid is now going to play. He got offers to play in college, and he's gonna go play up at any yo from baseball. He just graduated. And so, and I just remember telling him I was like, I guys looked at, you know, you're gonna fail, but it's okay to fail. And that's what I taught with with a lot of my stuff in my classroom. Those kids that hated doing, you know, presentations, I was like, hey, guess what we're doing, we're doing presentations. And I had a group of one of my classes, I had an, it was all Griffin girls. And none of them wanted to do presentations. They hated it. So I made I made him a little uncomfortable. I made them you know, get up and stand in front of projector or made them like, I did this thing where I was like, oh, no, we're doing an earthquake, you have to give a presentation on one foot. And they're like, really. And so but at the end of the year, they're more comfortable now of like, expressing themselves in their artwork that they did for the presentation that beginning of year, was garbage, not gonna lie to at the end of the year, like I had, they were like doing like full on scale like, like, either PowerPoint or Prezi. Or like, oh, like, model, like things are presentations. I was like, Oh, do you see what you guys did at the beginning of the year. And I showed him and I was like this. I was losing the trashcan. But I didn't because I wanted to show you that how much you guys have grown as the just understanding that support and like, Hey, you're gonna fail. But I'm going to be there with you. And you know, kind of think the same if you if you give kids or give anybody that kind of mindset of like, hey, look, no one knows what to do half the time. It's okay. We're all in this together.

Brandon  46:43

What's up? Yeah, no lie. My last presentations for this year were fire. They were so good. Oh, my gosh. How do we? How do we fail better as adults? Well, it's difficult because like, if you, right, I'm gonna say, say this word that I hate hearing all the time, because I have to hear about it every five seconds in meetings all year. But if you do develop a growth mindset, right, that's what burns? I don't like it no good that jargon out here. Like, it's hard, because you like when you are in your own head. Right. Like you said, I think you alluded to earlier, like you were afraid to try anything new at all. Period. So like, you know, you might be sitting, maybe you're like, I don't know, you're sitting home, you're scrolling through YouTube, and you see a skateboarding video. And you're like, Oh, dude, that'd be cool. I could never do that. Right? I mean, that's obviously a lie. Right? You could, but like, you get so worried about like, oh, no, it's going to be hard. And what if I'm bad at it? And like, I have my mess up, or someone will see me mess up like, okay, like, did we find it's a really, really hard thing to overcome, right? You're like, oh, my gosh, I'll never be able to do that. Like, you get so stuck. And like, you had to do something sort of small. And then be like, even, like, marginally successful. And you sort of realize, like,

48:31

oh, actually, nobody cares, right? Things like,

Brandon  48:41

oh, no, nobody's actually judging me. Right? Like, whatever. Like, you know, like, it's difficult, though. You have to do something small. Right? You have to do baby steps with this kind of thing. Right? Because it is a gradual thing. But if you like, want to try that you need to try something like

49:01

outrageous, right? Don't Don't

Brandon  49:04

start. If you are starting on a journey of like learning a thing, right? Let's pretend you are skateboarding. Right? You don't want to set out with like, the first thing I'm going to do is

Collin  49:19

hard flip. Right problem. I'm gonna go race Alex Honnold up a Yosemite El Cap. Yeah,

Brandon  49:26

yeah. Right. If you're starting like running, right? You're like, I'm gonna You don't start your fitness running journey and be like marathon? Like, no, no, it's not the first thing you're gonna do. Like, maybe that's a goal you have for later. But you need like a small goal. First, right. Yeah, I mean, like, little baby goal. And trying to figure out like, Baby goals. You know, breaking things down The smaller chunks that you can like strive towards even it or if you're like, Oh, I'm, you know, let's pretend you're me. And you're like, I can't cook literally anything. Right. And if I wanted to do that, I would need to find something that was like accessible and approachable. To start there, right? I'm not going to start with like, Yo, I want to make like, some crazy. See, there's a little I don't know, cooking. I don't know, like some like crazy complicated thing, right? Yeah, like, Nah, I'm gonna make some like, meat sauce.

Collin  50:34

Well, it's the default anatomy. Yeah, I think it's understanding that if goals and objectives right goals are, I want to be a better cook. Right. Now, my objectives is where things get hard, because I had to set those realistic one. Yeah, baby steps, baby step, right, the baby goals I have. Okay, these are my tangible steps that I'm going to put into place. So that I can get there. And I think what you said early on was, I have to get those early wins. Pretty quick. So those objectives have to be mega small. Right? Like, super. It's not even like, like, and that takes a lot of understanding yourself and having a good support group, I think to to encourage you maybe help. Tony back a little bit of like, I'm gonna run a marathon tomorrow. You know, I've never run before we run a marathon tomorrow. I'm running 10 mile. That's not not a good. No, it's, it's on the way to a full marathon. Sure, but not tomorrow.

Brandon  51:32

Like, yeah, start with like, half a mile. Exactly. Yes. I mean, no, this is like legit, like, whenever I was embarking on this, like bike riding journey, right? That's because I'm an insane person. And I said, Yes. I live in rural Missouri. I need a fixed gear bicycle.

51:53

Like, that's not really

Brandon  51:56

what a normal human being says to themselves, right? Like, it's not planning on it. Right? There's many things. Number one, just cool, right? That can't be understated in this. But, right. Like, I started out number one, I haven't been back in like 20 years.

52:15

Okay, so that was an interesting.

Brandon  52:20

But, like, you said, start small, like, I just rode, like, I rode my bike, like a mile? Done? Over Yeah, that's it. Right? How do I build my confidence? How do I become comfortable? Right? What are some little achievable things that I could do to maybe improve myself? Right? slightly further, slightly faster? You know, maybe less distance, but faster, maybe longer distance, but slower, right? Like, what are some things I can do to improve this for myself? Right? How do I do this? And that's, you know, this is what you have to do you start small, find something achievable. And then like, you know, there's this, this moment that you just kind of gotta go for it. Right? Like, just gonna do it. Like, who cares? Like, it was gonna go for it and see what happens. You know, like, here we go. I'm just gonna go like, I have this moment. The other day, what, like, a month ago, when I was like, You know what, I've been thinking about it long enough. I am riding my bike all the way to the park, going for it. And I just like, sorry, go down the road. I was like, well, we're going now. So here we go. You're like about halfway there? You're like, well, literally no turning back now because I'm already here. So like,

Collin  53:59

Yeah, but you were able to get to that point, because of all of the confidence that had been built up through those small wins. Right? Like it's not a that's the thing about building confidence. And with those wins is not a linear approach it to me my experience has always been it's an exponential approach. Each little win it's a heck of a lot further up on that competence ladder than than the one before it. Because now you have a track record, right, that starts speaking for itself and durability. And then you get to that point where you go wow, I am to the point now where what seemed impossible just a week ago is now seems totally reasonable and doable.

Brandon  54:40

Yeah, definitely. So it's just it's a small baby steps. You know. It's hard to do that and it's hard to you know, it is hard if you're kind of like maybe you're out there somewhere by yourself and you don't have someone to like encourage you, you know, I mean, that is is a thing, right? Because like you said, you need some people. Sometimes you need someone to tell you that it's okay. You know, you need somebody to be like, Yeah, go for it. need somebody to coach you up like Aaron, you know what I mean? So, listeners, we are that for you right now. Here you go. This is what we are.

Aaron  55:20

I will say I will say, first year coaching baseball, I had this senior who, who hated the phrase, you're all right, which is a very common thing in sports. Okay, you're all right, calm down. You're all right. You're right. Like he hated it.

Collin  55:36

But he told me that coach, you hate if you say that,

Aaron  55:39

I'm gonna throw something at you. And I was like, Well, good thing. You're a pitcher that throws in the 80s. Sweet. And so I had to come up with a new saying, which I found out that he that his family shows pigs, like the show hogs for fishing for money. And so instead of saying, you're all right, I said, I would say that'll do a big, way better, because like, I did a mountain visit with him because he was just throwing crazy. And you know, coaches like Oh, go calm down. So I went out there. And he's like, Coach, I would say it and I was like,

56:12

that'll do pig. That'll do. And he's got you got the biggest

Aaron  56:15

smile. And he finished the inning, and took a lot of dudes out. But he's like, I appreciate you changing that for me. Because and that was another big thing. Like with coaches. And like our new coach that we were getting now for football, he's like, I'm too old to change. So and it just like, with these kids or with people in general, like you have to adapt ways to, instead of via, like, you know, do the typical, like, you know, coaching metaphors, like over and over again, it's like, we don't do it to you, we do it for you, like, big, stronger. Like sometimes you got to change to give that support to those kids because like, I even got a kid now that's like, you know, he doesn't really get a lot of support from home. And just little like fist bump or something like makes his day. And he gives us like you said there and he was just sweating today and I just gave him little fist bump and he just looked at me like I'm ready to go and I'm like, really proud fist bump. All right, yeah.

Brandon  57:07

Yeah, so all those those coaches, that you're talking about the old old ones, but I'm too old change I need I need all those coaches right now to know you. Specifically. Your personality is why I hate many coaches. Right? Like a hate those people. I can't stand them. They drive me crazy. Get out here with the garbage like, it's like, they're it's this and I understand why the kids need to change that because like it just comes across as so hollow and insincere.

57:42

Plus you don't care.

Brandon  57:44

Stop pretending. Just be quiet. I really you don't say anything to me. It'll like those type of people. I cannot stand them. They drive me crazy. I don't know how you are able to be around people like that without like, no, bludgeoning them with

Aaron  58:02

a lot of our kids are the right coach, we're only coming out for you and the other assistant because like I said, this guy is just, he's been coaching for like, 30 some odd years. He's just very laid back. And he's not very like, like, I know, those coaches that are like all hyped, like, all the time, which my first year coaching like I was, I was like, no, but like, now I've definitely been able to, especially with my time with DHS, like, like, work on how to communicate with kids more. And, like reach those kids like differently. Not like Yeah, but like just to be able to talk with kids. And like beat and I was talking with the senior and you just like, you've been the most like hype, or even the when you say he's like you've been the mower, like you've been the most supportive coach. Because it's not like me, I never yell on player. And like, I'm always like, there. And we always make eye contact I make to give them a guy contact with me. I'm like, Look at me. And then we talk through it. And he's like, we've had coaches that like grab our helmets and like all this stuff. And I'm like, I mean, you guys are faster than me. So I can't really grab your helmet.

Brandon  59:12

I'm not gonna catch you.

Aaron  59:13

You guys gotta understand, like, you know, the reason that I do that I coach is because number one, I love the sport. And number two, I love you guys. And a lot of kids are like, we've never had a coach say that they loved us and I was like, Well, if I didn't I wouldn't be here or I would have liked sell sold you all in a heartbeat. And it was a good point. But like I told him like look, I am here for you. And like yes, there's other places. Yes, there's, you know, better coaching positions, but I'm like, I don't want those. I want to be with you guys and when kids see that you're actually bought in and want to be there for them. Like I got kids that will run through a brick wall. They will complain about it but they will run through that brick wall. So, it's definitely, um, when I first got they were men now to like, it's vastly different to like seeing like the same kids develop and grow. And like, their parents talk to you. And they're like, Hey, he wasn't like this last year, what did you do to my kid? Because he is a much different a much better person. And it's not it's not just about the X's and O's. It's about, like, what these kids do off the field. And I even told them when my interview, like alright, what you know, because they always ask you like, oh, what's your coaching philosophy? And I remember sitting there, and I was given some like, Bs answer and like, oh, you know, develop these kids for the future. And I was like, I mean, that's partially right. Like, if I can get kids to be good human beings, like, in school and out of school. Like, that's more of a victory for me than wins and losses. Like if I can have people saying, Oh, that's a kid from, you know, insert school here. Like, and have a person that's not like, you know, a terrible husband, or you know, in jail, or you know, a murderer. Like, I will take those wins, like, any day, and I say, Virgin, it's

Brandon  1:01:16

like, oh, I never had an answer like that before.

Aaron  1:01:18

And I'm like, bam, you're welcome. But, like, in things, if I can, you know, with baseball, like it's like, it's the little things because when I was over there with baseball, the other coach, like, wouldn't have them break or drag the field. They wouldn't have, they can pick up trash. And I had on one day, and I was like, What are you doing? Will you practice over? And I'm like, oh, no, it's not. They'll grab that rake. You go grab that drag. We're gonna be doing some work and the fact that the kids that like, now do that without me asking them, Mike. And I even had a parent that's like, hey, my son has been taking up his room. What did you do to my son? I'm like, Ah, he's been picking up his log, I may come pick up his locker

1:01:59

for football. And she's like, ah, you know, I'm

Aaron  1:02:03

like that. That right there. So, I may not be a good X's and O's coach, but dang it. I'm a I'm a good human coach.

Brandon  1:02:13

Yeah, well, I mean, that's the other. We've talked about this before to you like that. I know. I've said it before. Like, the important thing about when you're talking to people is actually listening to them. Right? Like, what? Yeah. And so you know, that's what you're kind of getting at here too, is like, you're listening to them, and giving them what they need. Not just like, the blanket, you know, one size fits all. Kojima, rah rah, whatever, you know what I mean? Which is way better than saying some idiotic

1:02:55

statement and then like,

Brandon  1:02:57

clapping your hands. Get out of here

Collin  1:03:15

I started my day at the hospital. It is my day, at a car lot. And I will tell the story and I will shut up. I've talked about but I did want to relay that, because just fascinating. So in our mail, a week ago, we got this little annoying flyer that was like, hey, a new person's bought this car lot. We're gonna be having a sale soon. And then we got another flyer that was like, Hey, we're mailed these out to the city. rip open this tab to see if you've won a prize. And we ripped it up and we want to practice I was like, Oh, cool. I

1:04:05

think everybody wants a prize. Well, marketing works.

Collin  1:04:08

I know. So So here's the thing. So I was like, oh, so here's why. So I called them I said, hey, here are my numbers. And here's what happened. Blah, blah. They're like, Yeah, you won. You come on down. I was like, anything and they're like, Oh, come on down. Well, and I was like, I don't

Brandon  1:04:25

this is gonna be good air and

Collin  1:04:28

they got him. So I was just like, fight like, what's it gonna cost me like, what's the point? What's the worst?

Brandon  1:04:35

I can believe you actually went? I just throw that stuff away. Like, oh, I

Collin  1:04:39

need I need you to think really hard about why I would have gone.

Brandon  1:04:45

Oh, yeah. See,

Collin  1:04:47

so I may be married to somebody who loves like, free things and prizes. Prizes. She I may I may have camped out in front of a cookies Door overnight to be one of the first 10 people to get in so I could win a gift card to Christ.

Brandon  1:05:09

I would never do that in a million years. Fat camping on front of anything. I love nothing. Enough to do that. Like nothing

Collin  1:05:20

camped out in the middle of a Texas suburb. On no hot sidewalk. No.

Brandon  1:05:28

Susan's nephew camped out in front of a Chick fil A that was opening. I was like, Dude, it's not even good chicken. What are you doing?

Collin  1:05:37

It was bad luck to good friends. I'm so tired. Anyway. I, I went. And here's what I learned. I learned a lot of stuff

Brandon  1:05:47

that everybody got a winning ticket in the mail. No.

Collin  1:05:53

Ready? Ready. So first off, I pull up. And this is a Nissan dealership who I have seen probably like a person workout before like a person. There are nine dudes standing out front surveying a lot. And I'm like, Huh? This is interesting. And none of them look like local. And I go, Oh, that's weird. I pull up and some guy like waves at me and says you look for parking spots. But yeah. I, once you find one. That's it. Okay, park over here. Parking. I mean, I mean, Deray direct Joe Ray, sorry, to Ray because I was calling him Dre for a while, like, Ray. And then when I got inside away from the noise, I was like, oh, it's Joe Ray DeRay. And come in, we sit down. He starts talking to me. And man, he is slick. But I have some questions on my own, like, what's going on here? And he tells me he is with an outfit late capitalism. No. Well, I don't know, you may even decide. This is a company. So he tells me he is with an outfit out of Cincinnati, that travel around the United States that do liquidation sale at car lot. This car lot was bought by a new owner. And the new owner didn't want any of the cars. So because all of the cars were apparently they bought the brand. Sorry, they bought the lot, but not the cars. And so all the cars belonged to the previous dealer. And they needed to get rid of all of them. So when they said liquidate, they were literally saying we are selling every single one of these cars in a week. That same, we're not getting rid of it, we're not getting in any more new inventory. Everything on the lot, literally has to go. And this is how they sell them. They're not selling them at MSRP. They look at what is owed on each car. What the previous dealer bought, or you know, bought them from took out a loan to buy that keep it on Yeah, right? They look at the loan note. And they basically go to the bank and they go look bank. If we don't sell this, this, this car is going to auction and you don't know what you're going to get out of it at that point. And so they were like, you know, wheeling and dealing pennies on the dollar kind of stuff.

Brandon  1:08:27

Yep, late capitalism, and it's fine. It's capitalism

Collin  1:08:30

at its finest. And you know, he's got this long spiel, and he's talking to me, and I'm asking questions, and he's from Cincinnati and has two kids. And he got jumped at a at a gas station. And so he's missing his left kidney and he had his thumb almost severed and the knife fight. And

Brandon  1:08:46

if you didn't need another reason to not go to Cincinnati, there it is.

Collin  1:08:52

And he paused and he was like, I kind of like it out here. I was like, a lot of nice people. Anyway. Talking to me, like Colin, like Colin Kaepernick, what do you think about that going on anything? I was like, I don't want to talk about this right now. I just want to

Brandon  1:09:08

watch football man get out of here.

Collin  1:09:10

Very good guy. He's just bumping me is like, Oh, your cancer too, because he's born in July. And you know, he's a 90s baby. And I'm an 80s. Baby. We're chatting it up. And he's like, you know, they have been directed to get rid of everything, whatever it takes. So he's like, looking at my car that I drove up and he's like, you know, what, if we could give you a double the asking price for that, you know, resale and do all this stuff. You do stuff for you. And I'm realizing I'm not getting out of here. Unless I either run away. Yeah, or buy a car. Yep. I am. Not my car. But I'm also a people pleaser, and I don't want to hurt to raise feelings, because you and I have bonds right now are just gonna go cut and run this bump in. As we've talked about my pet Any business, and he's got a dream of, you know, owning his own car lot one day owning a pet. And he's working for his brother right now because his brother and his dad started the business 10 years ago. Now they're running. He's wanting to give his kids he's got two kids a better life away from

Brandon  1:10:18

me go, here's your out ready. We are currently in the middle of business expansion. And I just don't think that this deal is right for me at this time.

Collin  1:10:29

Back then he's like, like, so? What are you looking for? And I was like, so here's the other thing that I don't know why I did this. Before I went, I realized that there may be some aspect of car sales in this aspect. So I got on their website for the car dealership. All of the cars that they had available, so I knew what they had, at least on their website when it was previously purchased. Oh, I should also add, this is at 630 at night, and the showroom was packed, packed to the gills with people. Board and the guy, if jury has to believe because also you have to recognize he's, he's you know, he's supposed to be empathizing and like, greeting people and like sleazy salesman. This is the thing you must always remember. Because at some point when he said, I like it out here, I was like, I don't I genuinely don't know if you're being if you are being serious. Or if you are saying that to empathize with me about where I live to make me more endearing to us.

Brandon  1:11:33

Yeah, right now you're getting it. Now you're understanding

Collin  1:11:37

Oh, no, I'm I'm in these places, because they're all whatever. So we're going and I'm just like, he's trying to sell me a car trying to sell me a car. We're bonding, this bumping, right Duran I got this. Then he's like, What car do you want a car? You know, if you could sell this car right now and put that money towards the purchase of new vehicle? What would you get? I haven't been to want to sell that car anyway. And I said, Honda Accord. And why did Collin say Honda Accord because it was not a Honda dealership. It was not a Honda dealership. And none of the vehicles listed on the website were a Honda Accord.

Brandon  1:12:11

He's like I got this Nissan Altima.

Collin  1:12:13

He didn't say have you thought about it?

Brandon  1:12:16

Because it's basically the Nissan accord. Right? And so he was like, Yo, you want a four door sedan, but I got one. It just has a big in on the front of an H.

Collin  1:12:29

That is that is the key here. Key and this is his crew because they're not Honda dealer. They're not Nissan dealer. They're not Toyota dealers. They're liquidator.

Brandon  1:12:41

Yeah, but I'm just saying if it was a Nissan dealership, that's what's there.

Collin  1:12:45

Exactly. So they come in, they do a quick assessment though. He's

Brandon  1:12:48

reading. Yeah, exactly. He's reading me and going.

Collin  1:12:50

I don't have that. But I do have this,

Brandon  1:12:52

which is basically the exact same thing. And I was like,

Collin  1:12:57

Well, no, I want this and he's like, What about a more a smaller sedan? I said no, because I knew they did have a Honda Civic, but not a Honda Accord. So I've tried to steer away from that. So he does get a Honda CRV pulled around and I'm like, this is a Honda Accord on stilts, making it less fuel efficient and worse to drive. Thank you. And then I started listening in on some of the other conversations going on around me and realize how the vast majority of people vibe by two, which they focus on two things. How much is the payment? Yeah, well and what color is Yeah, payment?

Brandon  1:13:35

That's what you need? No, I was Yeah, who cares what color it is? No, it has to be That's it. That's all you need. It's a

1:13:43

it's a it's a functional

Brandon  1:13:47

piece of property like it does a job like that's it it doesn't use the you know how much it you need to know how much gas is going to cost? And you need to know how much you got to pay me that's literally it. i Oh,

Collin  1:14:01

I was like cuz that's all people were talking about. They were like well how much does your current car payment and like what my current car payment this and like great with that current car payment? I can get you this car right now. Basically like you have Yeah,

Brandon  1:14:11

that's the sale seven you can get a better newer car for less than you're paying right now.

Collin  1:14:16

And by I was just like on I was sitting there going like, Oh, silly me sitting here going. I have the car specked out to like the rim choice and kalo account.

Brandon  1:14:28

None of that stuff is irrelevant. Right? What a car has a job. buy a car, his job is to drive you places and not break down. And so here's what those people are thinking those people are thinking, okay, my car has X number of miles on it, right? Maybe it's getting high. Okay, if I can get a newer car with less miles and pay less on the payment than I'm currently paying. Done? Yeah, right. Like why would you not do that?

Collin  1:15:00

I'm gonna brought in like an older Toyota and was like buying this Nissan and someone brought in a Nissan and was buying this other thing. Like, there was no like, out brand or service or reliability or anything. It was just this is cheap and available, I'll take it, or this is the same month thing that paying now, but it's newer, and like you said, less miles, I'll take it. And I yeah, I sat there as your service costs are gonna go down to an abject horror, watching these transactions take place of I just I was like, I understand people have their own priorities, right. They have their own priorities, their own needs that they have arranged in their lives and place in a hierarchy. None of what was going on around me was mine. And I couldn't get to the point where I was like, like, probably I'll pull up in a power power skid tossed the dealer, the key isn't go give me the newest one, whatever you got, and then drive off with that. I was just I mean, yeah,

Brandon  1:16:02

I mean, ultimately, it doesn't matter. Right? Like what are what are some of the things on your priority list that are like Uber important, like, top tier priority list? If you say color, I'm gonna cry champion.

Collin  1:16:12

That's got to be blue. No, one of your

Brandon  1:16:16

Funkhouser clearly has to be white. I don't know if Shawn route

Collin  1:16:20

is silver. Right? So it's a neutral family. It's funny to call it Yeah. But like, one of the things that I look at a lot is like, is serviceability and how good is is like, the repairs for getting this thing? Right? Like do is it so specialized, that I have to only ever take it to the dealer if I do have to

Brandon  1:16:43

is really funny coming from the man who always looks at Land Cruisers on the internet?

1:16:47

Yeah, right.

Brandon  1:16:52

One car that you can't

Collin  1:16:55

cancer? Well, I'm not I'm not servicing it. No, I'm not, sir. I can't service any of my current vehicles either. Like I can't serve as a scooter. I'm saying if I have to take it in somewhere. What's that? What's that? What's the process?

Brandon  1:17:07

Yeah, I feel like, I feel like that was a legitimate worry. About 25 years ago. Well, right. And I feel like now

Collin  1:17:18

it doesn't matter. So that was the thing that that he brought up. But he was like, well, he I know he did say, Well, I have this this CRV out here. It's got 100,000 miles on it. That's kind of high. I know. And I was like, No, it's not like a Honda 9095. You know, that may have been high mileage. But for a newer vehicle, right? With that kind of mileage on it. Like they're just across the board. Everything's a lot more reliable these days. But then I'm looking at the car that I'm currently driving, if I'm supposed to be just throwing in the keys and driving away with something I'm looking at what he's offering me I'm like, Well, I'm just being honest. Like, there's no leather seats. There's no heating, there's no you know, other stuff doesn't get as good gas mileage as my current 2006 Honda Accord. So it was like, all these things or downgrade shirts, cheaper price, but actually, it's not cheaper because I, you know, paying for fuel, apparently. So it's like, there's, there's all these aspects of it. And and I just, it was a it was an interesting and eye opening experience to, to exactly kind of the almost the commoditization of vehicles at this point of you just go in and whatever is available, you just take because it's available, right?

Brandon  1:18:35

Well, I mean, I feel like, yeah, that's how it is because it's not, you know, their time where the car is

1:18:47

artistic

Brandon  1:18:49

is done. Right. But that time is long past. Right? We left that time period in the early 70s. Right, I know and people I don't know if anybody's ever seen a car from the 80s They all look exactly the same. Well, they're awful,

1:19:09

right?

Brandon  1:19:10

They're just boxes. Right? And that's that's where we kind of had this happen. There's a whole thing is a very long drawn out explanation for all this fuel crisis, blah, blah, blah, blah, emission standards, blah, blah. But like, the era of like, the car is a unique from the factory. It's kind of over. That's, you know, that's why they always on the commercials again, they only show you like the high end ones. Right? You look at like the Ford pickup truck. You're actually seeing the top spec, Ford pickup truck of the line. You're not seeing the like, normal human being one. Right because a very I think the audience for VAT is deep. Decreasing. Right? It's like old people. And like a few people that like really like, you know, fancy stuff. But I mean, you buy a truck and you just buy an aftermarket grill, blam. Done, right? I think it's, uh you know, there's certain amenities maybe people want but like I'm definitely in the, in the camp of a car is a utilitarian thing that I have to have. Right? Because let's be real. I live in the middle of United States, like I can't physically get anywhere without a car. Right? Right, because of bad infrastructure and all this stuff, right? So I have to have it. Like, I don't like care. or care about Moses, I care about gas mileage.

Collin  1:20:59

That's about it. I care about? Well, yeah. So anyway, I, I know, I think through these things, interestingly, and I do want the car that I just called, it's called over analyzing. No, I never asked me, I don't guess it's, I want to make sure that the like, I think about what is like, maybe I do think about what does my car that I drive say about me? And like, what does that does that mean? I

Brandon  1:21:23

don't care. I did think about that. I thought about that. When I was like, 17. Right? I'm gonna be honest with you. I did. It's not. And then like, later on, when I was like, I need my card to give you places, and I don't really care. anymore. There was a crossover event that occurred, right. And so like, I did think that when I was younger, but now I don't care, right, cares about my car, it works. I can get the work done.

Collin  1:21:56

And it's not a status thing. It's not like I'm like, Oh, if I don't have you know, I wasn't taking out but like, yeah, okay, I do want to make sure. Like, is this better personality? And I think through all that stuff, and then I also think of just like, let's say, let's Okay, let's be very real here, like utilitarian. How easy is it for me to get in carseat in and out of the backseat? Because I will tell you, Okay, that's fair, I don't have to think about that. That is something that like that, like, that's fair, like Honda has nailed down things like jeeps, and Chrysler, you would think they would, from their minivan days that they would take their minivan and apply it to the other vehicles, they don't. And it's awful. Or like, one of the things that I think about for car is legroom, like rear legroom, I have to fit a child behind me, right at six, two, and I like a comfortable driving position. Not many cars do that. And they're so small, it's fine. Just just you don't need legs, like I've seen Top Gear really, you know, cut out the legs, as you can see, like, there are just some very practical aspects of the car and how it functions or how we use it. And then like, I also go, Okay, this is fine. Okay, let's talk about trunk space. Because that's important. I have two kids, I have to be able to fit stuff in here without being overloaded, overburdened, and all of a sudden, you start aligning all of these different pieces. And then also, I have to make sure that it fits my personality, and then go, well, there's like, three things.

Brandon  1:23:26

I think, I think maybe one of these things is not like the

Collin  1:23:29

other. know, if I'm not what kind of person I buy the vehicle I turn up in. Unless

Brandon  1:23:39

that's you, that's what your hobbies are for. That's what your clothing choices for.

Collin  1:23:43

Right? clothing choices are boring.

Brandon  1:23:46

Ah, so what does that say about your personality?

Collin  1:23:53

Telling me to tell

Brandon  1:23:54

no, I understand. I understand. You're saying I have changed. I have channeled all of these thoughts into other aspects of my life, not my car, I put them in my bicycle. Right? I put it into guitars that I buy, I put them in like other things, right? Like my hat choice, right? With the shoes I buy. Think about that. Don't think about my car. So I understand all the things you're talking about. I just choose to put that effort someplace else.

Collin  1:24:17

Absolutely. And I just I had never I only know how I approached this buying decision. And obviously I've like only bought two cars now at this point over this long period of time and so I won more than me so it's not a common experience again, like we get back to like things throw up your time you forget about how to look forward and how you approach this. But I've never like I was actually sitting listening to the conversation people were having that I have never heard the just like complete disregard or like any of the things that I was just like I don't move anyway move. This decision was just like Well, moral the story, let me let me wrap this up. But I did not win, which is fine because I knew I didn't. I knew I didn't for how long this was taking, right? Like, it was very obvious. I did a fist bump, Ray. Wow, I left again, lots of fist bumping. And they did as as he pulled up the CRV and he was like this good. And I was like, a couple things. First, I'm here by myself. I need this is a very expensive decision for me to make without the presence of my wife and being able to look at numbers and think about this. So I'm not able to make a decision tonight. Secondly, I need to get home to put my children to bed and I need to leave right now. So I forgot what the room was that I told him. So he's like, Okay, real quick. In the course of like, 13 seconds, for different people came up to talk to me do the hard sell to try and get me to do something as I was actively walking towards the door, culminating in the owner of the liquidation company, Carter coming out and talking to me as I'm like, at the door. And he's like, you know, he's like, What are you looking for? And I was like, Honda Accord. He's like, I don't have any of that as I know. And he was like, Okay, have a good day.

Brandon  1:26:13

was looking for nothing. Nothing. Ah. You know, Colin, you know, where there's no pressure to buy things. That's the Amazon restock store. You need to go there and get some of your shopping was out of the way right. What sort of exciting treasures can you find a Ford? No dollars.

Collin  1:26:34

I have seen you can buy cars on Amazon. Have you seen that they have the relation I with that? That's weird. Look, I'm gonna type in court. And oh, no, I saw how they had special relationships with some car dealers where you could buy a car on Amazon. Yeah, good. Thanks. That's weird. is shipped to me with Will they deliver it to me? Yeah. Okay, that's slightly more appealing. So moral of the story is, don't follow the junk mail.

Brandon  1:27:08

That is the important moral of the story. When you get

1:27:11

junk mail. It goes in the trash.

Brandon  1:27:17

That's where it goes. Okay. Don't follow up with the junk mail. Don't go investigate the source of the junk mail. Throw it in the trash. And

Collin  1:27:31

don't buy people in hurry anyway. It'd be really good to buy things don't don't wait, so I told me when I got back and I was like, I don't know why keep going to these things. Like I love you know, I'm never doing that again. Yeah,

Brandon  1:27:49

you know, it's your turn next time obviously would never go. Well then. There's your answer.

Collin  1:27:58

Trash. Ah, trash, though. You're talking about the trash and fail? Well, by train. It's true. Hey.

Brandon  1:28:12

Yo, little teaser. Oh, for next time. Okay, he's a teaser teaser for next time. I have embarked on a journey of media consumption. Oh, I have been this week. Alright, well, and part of last week to be real. I have been watching the Wheel of Time on Amazon.

1:28:36

We have many thoughts.

Brandon  1:28:39

Oh, this property? Oh, I Yeah. So teaser for next time.

Collin  1:28:46

Aaron, didn't you ever did you read these books? With who? who's read these books? Anybody?

Brandon  1:28:51

By me? Which books? We'll have time? Nope. No. Me neither. And so I'll get into the teaser reason why I'll repeat this next week is I wanted to see this is their other big fantasy property that they're dealing with right now. And I wanted to see how it was handled before learning schema slightly curious what it would be like to have many thoughts many thoughts on that next time

Collin  1:29:25

okay, well, we look forward to the Amazon adaptive time series.

Brandon  1:29:31

No idea. The internet is mad at me because I have no idea. I've never read it.

Collin  1:29:37

I'm getting Claire burgers yelled out for healthcare service. And now it's

Brandon  1:29:41

true next week. I'm gonna get major hate from real time fans probably so that's okay. Wow, spoiler spoiler Reno's I disagree with the Internet. Okay, got it. Shocking to no one

Collin  1:29:59

was surprised It's absolutely nobody

Brandon  1:30:00

is right. So if you want to watch at least one episode, or a bit long the first ones Okay, right? You don't have to watch any more than that. To see where I'm coming from. So definitely some thoughts on how it looks. That's weird. Okay, so yeah, there we go. teaser for next time. He's like and maybe I'll have finished it cuz I'm only on Episode Five right now climate of eight is eight I think and first season so watch five so I might have been finished by next week okay, I like it

1:30:41

will lead with that. I was well I'll have it but

Brandon  1:30:47

now your friends is really what the show is about I don't know why they're talking. But yes.

Collin  1:30:59

You enjoying this evening? Now All right. Sounds good.

1:31:06

Bye.