the volleyballist

Aaron has his Sunday’s back and starting concession stands. Volleyball is captivating Collin’s household and they’re watching a lot of youtube on farming and how things are made. Brandon is teaching about earthquakes and inter-crustal seismology. The brother’s wrap up the last chapters of The Outsiders and boy howdy… we weren’t impressed. 

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SPEAKERS

Collin, Aaron, Brandon


Collin  00:04

Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast three brothers. Trying to figure it all out with your host, Brandon, Cullen and Aaron. On this week's show, the volleyball list


Aaron  00:21

hearing Hello,


00:24

oh goes it? Oh,


Aaron  00:26

good. Enjoying a Saturday? What do you guys up to?


00:30

Sorry about your game


Aaron  00:35

it was one of the top 10 in the state. So it wasn't wasn't too heartbreaking. But I got a little choked up when some of my seniors came up and gave me gave him a hug and it finally dawned on me like, Oh, that was a that was some of their some of their his last game that they'll never played football again. So that was that was a little bad guy. But yeah, so I good game we just had trouble executing. They were also very, they're they're a lot more physical than us. So that also did help. But I was like, Oh, well, yeah, you know, God came out and did this. And then it was like, Ooh, yeah, forget it was some of their last game so that that was touching, but I'm not gonna actually get the heavy Sunday for one. Don't have to go do game film or anything. Now we get to help out and focus on on basketball. And then baseball seasons right after that. So got a lot going on here and a little bit.


Collin  01:45

Now, I didn't know you were helping with basketball.


Aaron  01:48

i i So i am technically not like I'm not coaching anything, but I have to do some of the concession stand stuff. Oh, right. Right. And so I get to go and work with that. Which I know thankfully, I don't have to do like every game. It's like, once or twice a month kind of thing. We'll all go down. But if it's an early home game, I'll I'll swing by and on my way home and see the kiddos and do stuff like that. So yeah, but then right after that, right when basketball season ends, baseball and slowpitch softball starts so


Collin  02:28

right in it wins the golf season start when you do that one. Knock thankfully, we don't say we don't


Aaron  02:33

have either of those sports wonderful. Thankfully,


02:37

definitely.


Collin  02:41

Yeah. Thankfully, thankfully,


Aaron  02:43

we don't have any of those any of those sports tickets anyway. But But yeah, that's you get a chance to actually have a time off to relax and recuperate. Because that was kind of the struggle there for a while because at my other school Sunday's were when I got to game plan and come up what was going on and, you know, lesson plan to do all that stuff. But the past few Sundays, they were just kind of late notices and watching game films, I never got a chance to sit down to do proper lessons for a while so it'll be nice to get back in the swing of it.


Collin  03:21

I'll tell you a sport that has captivated lives is volleyball,


03:27

curling. Really thing it


Collin  03:31

we we got to see her school as volleyball and soccer are the two big sports there and you got to go see some of the high school girls play volleyball in person we have to watch it in person game and it's basically been all about


Aaron  03:55

you go we were like looks like you need to go to academy and get a good volleyball and getting that in this


Brandon  04:02

backyard. Right? Off to your dives. Right. Like


Collin  04:09

Megan was really good at it still is, but she played on like two different teams at the same time. Like there was a traveling one and a local one and she kind of have just played constantly throughout the week for a couple years.


Brandon  04:28

Because this secret volleyball knowledge drop in here did not know Megan was a volleyball list.


Collin  04:35

Yeah, here we go. There we go. The best degree so we went to the we've gotten a few volleyball books from the library. We just pick up another one today. So are reading all the hands. The fact that there are multiple


Brandon  04:54

volleyball books in the library is mildly astounding to me.


Collin  05:00

They wouldn't be like a volleyball. Oh no, no, just just


Aaron  05:07

just find her find her a YouTube channel about basic volleyball. Ever, ever watch her watch a video, and then go out in the backyard and work on it for a little bit and then just rinse wash repeat.


Brandon  05:20

Oh, yes, that's exactly what first graders do. Yes. volleyball drills.


05:25

I mean,


Collin  05:28

we know some books are like, getting started with Volleyball, volleyball basic. This other one was definitely written around the time of the height of Kerri Walsh and Missy May. Because it's all about like, Vici beach volleyball. Yeah, and


Brandon  05:46

one girl Misty may Treanor what's up.


Collin  05:52

So it's kind of kind of neat, to kind of go back and some of these books, a lot of years old. But I still enjoy reading them. Aaron, you mentioned finding a YouTube channel. We have we've started, the kids have started to ask things because well, the last like, Oh, what's this? And I'll say, I don't know. Let's look it up. And so we'll do some Googling and look at photos or read things about it. Lately, I've been trying to show them more like videos of things in contrast, and we found a channel about I forget the name of it. I have to find this for the notes. But of a farmer who shoots all of his like planting and harvesting with like a drone. I'll tell you what, no, and I sat there for about 20 minutes watching corn be harvested and it was amazing. Man, I tell you there are


Brandon  06:52

I basically live on YouTube halftime when I'm bored. Like on the weekend. I'm like, I'm just gonna sit here and I'm gonna play video games and read and I'm just gonna watch random things on YouTube. And the amount of channels like that that I accidentally add to watching for undisclosed amounts of time are


Collin  07:10

locked. No, I found an entire playlist of episodes from how it's made. And I was like, Oh, I love that show. So definitely,


Brandon  07:21

I love saving shows illegally pirated to YouTube. I mean, I also like stumbling across jibs on


07:31

all of your local, federal and airlines in,


Brandon  07:34

sign up. Yes. 100% legitimate. Some of them are like, from the history channel, like the History Channel puts a bunch of their old stuff on there. So they legitimately have like tons of curated playlists of their old shows like that, that aren't that aren't on TV anymore. They, especially during over the pandemic, a lot of channels like AE and History Channel just dumped that stuff online. Yeah, like, hey, go buy him. And so it's still there. And it's glorious.


Collin  08:05

Noah came to me and said, Dad, how do they make roadside? And I was like, Ooh, really? Good question. Got on YouTube. Found a video from the 90s. All right signs. I was like, yes. So there's a


Brandon  08:28

there's one show that I watched. And I thought I was on YouTube. I think it's on Amazon Prime Now as well. If interested. It's called like, I don't remember. It's one of these like, it's an English show. And it's called like to door monastery farm. Where it's like these living history people running a farm like they're living in Tudor England. Oh, yeah. It's literally the best thing ever. And I think there's like other series where they do it with like, different time periods and stuff. Yeah,


09:00

it's great.


Collin  09:02

i This sounds very familiar to a PBS show that I remember watching where they had just like run of the mill, average Joe's living like they were during the western expansion. So they were like, here's, here's some basic skills about how you do these things. And now go build your log cabin and like, add them try and survive a winter in Montana, basically, I feel like this show sounds familiar. Yes. Uh huh. And I don't I don't. Yeah, I know. I know. i The premise of


Brandon  09:41

this show sounds vaguely familiar. I imagined. I saw something like this. I felt I thought it was like a competition show because all those weird shows like that are like competition shows right when it's like,


Collin  09:52

who survives evil like it was called frontier house, Frontier house. boom, there we go early. It was 2000s, early 2000s I just Googled a PBS show living on the completed two frontier. I love the show. I have very fond memories of watching this and how


Brandon  10:18

insane you know, just to give you an example, I just like pulled up my YouTube on my phone and I was rolling through the recommended for me things and the third video here a fourth video. Sorry, is Highlander survival equipment. 17th century tried and tested full rundown clothing. So blam. outdoorsy YouTube channels very exciting. Yeah, it goes in order in case you're interested. This one's about Dark Souls. This one's a skateboarding one. This one's about apartments in Japan for some reason. And then the Highlander. Yep, that's basically my, my days. My hang out. Yeah.


Collin  11:10

No, we found another one of No, he wanted to know about how podcasts work. And we stumbled across the Blippi. Go. Oh, not like


Brandon  11:25

actual cats the machinery okay. I was


Collin  11:29

very long time because he say our Bobcat made. And I was like, Ooh, Oh, haven't you talked me and then


Brandon  11:35

to win a mommy, bobcat. Daddy love each other.


Collin  11:40

And he was like, No, like construction. And I was like, oh,


11:44

yeah, well, no, Dad the tractor. Why are you being weird? Like, oh, yeah, I gotcha.


Collin  11:48

We will do this. So. Yeah, no, it's been it's crazy. Like I've been doing some dives on like, all the farmers who are cataloging their journey. And one that we watched a lot is actually called millennial farmer called Clarkson's farm. They watch it on repeat. But no, it's good. There was even one where they were like, This is how I mean, we've got pretty deep and they were comparing different combine harvesters. And they're like, harvesting, ability or like rate on like this, like shot after shot. They were just like showing them like going down the rows, and they're like, look at this model, harvesting, and then this model. And then we did the same thing with plows apparently, guess, not surprisingly, in Iowa, like once a year, they all come together. And just like plow fields with old farm equipment, and they're like,


Brandon  12:46

We this is exactly the type of thing I would expect to happen in Iowa. That probably happens in Missouri too. I'm guessing. Yeah.


Collin  12:53

This was Iowa event. Yeah.


Brandon  12:56

I imagine there's a Missouri chapter of this. We're like, we're gonna bow like our fort. Like, especially down here in the Ozarks, like we're gonna play like our forefathers have some donkeys


Collin  13:06

and this, wow, this is like, here's this tractor from the eight. Here's another tractor on the seven. And here's a tractor from the 90s. And like, they're all like, weird, like, one offs or like, this is one that they tried using this technique. And it was awful. And they all broke, but we still use our


Brandon  13:29

we have the one that works. All other tractors have been Shiva fattiest into this one sector.


Collin  13:39

Exactly. There are known none other existent, but they are all currently existing in simultaneously keeping this one alive. Yes, exactly. How most of those things are, yes, I think so. But I was just like, you know, it's one of the things of like, they're starting to say that this phrase really makes me happy. They're like, I want to I want to learn about and then they'll say something. And then like, we'll try and do that reading of visual and then maybe a video if we can find a good one to go with it. But it's just kind of trying to like Okay, sure. Let's go to try and learn about that. What you what resources are out there. Because I just like to expose them to different ways of gathering information. I texted you guys earlier. I got to substitute at Lilian school this week, which was wonderful.


Brandon  14:39

Yeah, and hear more about this insane substituting thing here is good segue,


Collin  14:45

but I'm gonna cut to real quick ninth grade. The kids had a it was like an open book quiz. And it was like, give the definition of an endocrine gland. All the students are poor. They flipping through their chapter, and they can't find it. And their glossary. And I said, I said, it's something that I used to say to my students, my students when I tutored in stuff was like, we'd use all of our book, all of it. And they were like, what? Like, what were in chapter nine or whatever? Yes. If you ever look at the very back of your book, they say no, never. No. And then one guy was like, in ninth grade. Okay, great. And again, this is fine, because at least I caught these students at ninth grade, and not whenever they were juniors, at the college level, and the glossary, but he was like, for the first time ever, he was like, Whoa, like, all the words are here?


15:47

Yes.


Collin  15:49

All the words are here. It was like, Uh huh. This is called a glossary. And I said, if the word is not in here, go to the index. And it has the major, really important word there, and you can listen, hey,


Brandon  16:04

listen, baby steps,


16:05

we can't be just jumping straight to the index, man. That's too.


Collin  16:10

That was too much. I was just showing them the glossary admin. So all of a sudden, like that, just like, there's like, the next three questions are about, guess where you'd probably find that information. Oh, I had a thought about being a substitute teacher with the school. And so I just fill out some initial paperwork, the beginning of semester, and it's a small operation. And many teachers are actually just like, parents with background or like, some education in the process. And so it's all it's all like Bootstrap together. But they've made it work for the last 30 years, they've been around. So working. And they add that, hey, they called me up last week and said, Hey, I noticed that you filled this out, we never completed the process. Give us this information, we'll get you on the list. And then like, two days later, I got a phone call. I was like, so weak. And this lady teaches sixth grade. seventh grade math, sixth grade chemistry, ninth grade, biology slash its anatomy. And 11th. They bring the juniors and seniors together for their yearbook club. And then oh, and then ninth grade, like themes and literature.


Brandon  17:45

Just like That's disgusting. That is absolutely atrocious. I cannot to imagine Aaron prepping six completely different classes. Like every day.


Collin  18:02

No, no, no. Yeah. So thankfully, I'm very lined out. And she had kind of she, you know it. If I didn't have to do the only I had to teach to two, I did actually teach two subjects. And the rest were like, This is a quiz or this is we're working on a writing assignment. So one of them was like an in class writing assignment was like, describe why this book is like the number one bestseller in this genre. And all the books for kids like, hated the book is awful. They probably just lied to everybody quite liked it.


Brandon  18:42

And was like, did you go I can completely understand all these feelings.


Collin  18:45

Yeah. And I was like, Uh huh. But let's look at the book itself and try and figure out like, why someone might pick it up. Really,


Brandon  18:54

I have some podcast episodes you can listen to, to kind of help you out on your writing. And your literary critiquing


Collin  19:02

journey. That was the other thing too. So I had to teach sixth grade math on seventh grade math was oh, gosh, what was that it flew by? Oh, doing like it was parts of holes. So it was like 80% of the 20 students failed. How many? Oh, okay. Right. So we're like looking at fractions, and then like converting it to a number. And like, the way they taught it, or had it lined out was like, we're gonna draw a box. And we're gonna subdivide the box into the number of things that we need. And then we're


Brandon  19:42

good old area model. Everyone loves an area model.


Collin  19:45

It's so easy to like, we're teaching them that and if that one was a lot of fun, because they were like, really engaged. And the hardest part for them was to try and figure out what number to put in the subdivided box like that took A lot of effort to try and convince them like, the whole box is equal to the total number of students. We need to figure out what anyway, so we're looking through that. Sixth grade math, I was teaching, I don't even really know that we were like, doing like mental math, like 3000 divided by 10, removing decimal points, basically looking at place value lace values. And then like, like the one, like we did, like, all this work. And for all these examples, where they were like, just based on 10, and I'm like, looking at this, I'm like, there are so many examples here. Oh, my gosh. And then it was like, now we're gonna do divided by 100. And then it's like, then we're gonna multiply by 1000. And we're just doing place, right, doing decimal places, counting moving to the left or the right, like looking at I do left or right, multiply to the left or right, then how many do I move over? It expanded into a larger concept then, but then we ran out of time. And I was just making notes and stuff. They were less than enthused, but it was sixth graders. At the last hour, trying to work on math. I was like, I'm really sorry about this, this must not be a lot of fun for you totally understand, but we're gonna make the most of it. And it was a it was, it was quite a lot. I'm still on the substitute list. And


21:28

that's good. The day, the day was at least mildly successful. He didn't be like, take me off the list now.


Collin  21:35

They did ask, they were like, are there particular subjects? Like you really want to teach or like, want to help with? Or like, yeah, basically anything biology,


Brandon  21:47

biodiversity and morphological differences in aquatic species? And are you got any of that for me?


Collin  21:56

With with, with with math, I said, you know, I, I really enjoyed Algebra Two, and even geometry. I haven't done anything with that for a very long time, I would just need to, you know, review and catch up and have some time spent with that. But there were like, I really, like you'd like to do that. And I was like, yeah, like I, I've tutored those topics, like, it's not that big of a deal. Like,


Brandon  22:25

I'm a scientist,


22:26

bro. Like,


Collin  22:28

come on. Yeah. So that was,


Brandon  22:32

that was my thesis lap.


22:36

wasn't gonna do that to them. But I was just nice to drop it on


Brandon  22:39

them. Like, what are your qualifications? Bam. So


Collin  22:43

like, it's fine. It's fine. One of the seniors it was really funny. In the yearbook, so they get together to do the yearbook. And it's a very small school. That's why juniors and seniors are together. It's a private school. And they were like, Oh, they're working on a class project. This group of students had finished the pages that they were assigned. And they were waiting their next assignment. This was just a placeholder for them. But they were working on another class assignment. And the student was like, talking to his friends about what his project was for his math class. And I was like, Oh, what are you doing? And he was like, linear models. And I was like, Oh, tell me more. I like modeling. And he was like, really thrown off as it was asking him, let's go Yeah, and then you're gonna get your R squared value, and then you're gonna be able to use that to project out what things how things might change in a linear fashion. He's like, what? I did kind of spying on him. I was like, oh, yeah, it sounds like and like, are you using the stats program? Are you just using like Excel? And he was like, That's program I'm just just using like, he's like, graphing it.


Brandon  23:58

Like how the graph was like graph paper.


Collin  24:02

Pretty much what he was doing. I was like, sweet. That works, too. Yeah, we got start there. Yeah.


Brandon  24:07

It's true. I can't be dropping ours on people when there's like a graphing Come on now.


Collin  24:12

But anyway, that was fun. So I was just like, you know, I feel like it's a it's a potential opportunity for me to be more involved and help out with them. And so we'll see. We are actually working on the we just wrapped up higher the hiring process for dog walkers and pet sitters in Springfield. We have two people on board and Megan gets to meet them next week. Really excited. They're already writing and blogging and working on that stuff as we are putting ourselves more out there or availability for services. But I was like, Okay, well, all of the hearts stuff is done now because like I have my Missouri tax ID and I have payroll in place and I have workers comp figured out and I have all this like, major headache. I don't have to do that for each employee that I add, I just as true throw information at them. And those systems gobble it up and do stuff with it. Like now hiring is actually fun, because we can


Brandon  25:26

paperwork done.


Collin  25:28

paperwork done exactly. We we just posted


25:34

an ad or


Collin  25:36

here in town for help. So my hope is that all of the walk in Robins that I have been doing and they have actually been increasing at an alarming rate over the past month and a half I'll be able to handoff to staff member have them do and then I was like that'll free me up to go do you know help out of school and there's other things so we're slowly


26:20

Yeah, that's been that's been a


Collin  26:26

busy times. What about for you? Did it snow down by you?


26:34

Know, it's just very cold. Okay.


Collin  26:39

Extraordinarily cold.


Brandon  26:40

My lovely dry skin. It's like, Ah, yes. Just what I wanted. Crack break. Yay. Perfect.


Collin  26:51

Wait now? Oh,


26:55

yeah, I really didn't do anything this week. Just sort of like, was just doing


Collin  27:04

stuff. Like it wasn't really.


Brandon  27:06

I know, just like work, work, work, work and more work, boom, during earthquake stuff.


Collin  27:13

So the buildings you have,


Brandon  27:17

that's next week? We got it. So that I'm trying to figure out


27:23

like,


Collin  27:25

what? Yeah, so


Brandon  27:26

we're doing that next week. This week, we kind of finished up our like baseline stuff. And we did like our New Madrid falls day where all the kids go. What? Oh, that's wonderful. It's my favorite. I love that day when they're like, well, the earthquakes in Missouri and I'm like, yeah. Like, sitting down, yeah, like a lot, like, potentially, like big, potentially. Rush that we've been, we've discovered as a class, the USGS earthquake monitoring website, where it just like live updates, all earthquakes that happen in the world. And they can see that in any given day, there is like 40 Plus earthquakes


Collin  28:22

just on the planet.


Brandon  28:23

So like, the seismic activity is ridiculous. Now most of these earthquakes are like 2.5. And so are basically not felt at all right? Because like, just around to it definitely under that you don't even feel it really.


28:45

And, like


Brandon  28:46

2.5 to three a mile, like shake the dishes in your cabinet, but that'll be about it.


28:52

So they can see like, and the


Brandon  28:55

map is really cool, because it has the all the plate boundaries. And so they can see like, oh, all these are like, right. On the plate boundaries. Why is there a local homeowner? Or why is there an earthquake in New Mexico?


Collin  29:06

Well,


Brandon  29:07

I don't know. Like, it's mostly on the boundaries, but interpolate seismicity is one of the great mysteries of seismology and Idaho, right. Yeah. Right. And again, New Madrid fault. Many theories abound as to why there is a extremely large deep fault in the middle of a


Collin  29:36

tectonic plate, but no actual


29:40

answers.


Collin  29:43

So that's fun when they're back.


Brandon  29:46

This unit is very interesting in that it's a really good opportunity to point out all the things that scientists don't know. Yeah. And why continuing the science process is very important because because we don't know about.


Collin  30:05

There's lots that we don't know about earthquakes, right? It's a very


Brandon  30:12

a field open for study. And there are lots of things to learn. And it's just very interesting to think a lot of people kind of take for granted like, oh, well, science knows all this stuff. But like, big events like an earthquake. It's very interesting to watch student reactions. When you go, Well, scientists don't really know why that happens. They're like, wait, what? What do you mean? So that's really kind of a fun thing that you kind of get to talk about, about all the reasons, all the things that we don't know, and all the things that we're studying, and why it's important to study. And that really hit them on the new metric video, because we were talking about, like the unpredictability of an earthquake, right? And about how one of the main goals of seismology is to try to better predict earthquake activity. You know, and when they saw the thing that was like, well, in the next 50 years, there is a 25 to 40% chance that the New Madrid fault could produce a six plus magnitude earthquake. And I was like, how do you guys feel about that prediction? They're like, that doesn't tell us anything. Like, exactly. That's


31:37

not good.


Brandon  31:38

It's like, are you ready to plan your plan your life around that prediction? Or like, no, that's terrible. I was like, Yeah. And what is couple of the kids actually figured out like, well, that means there's at least a 60% chance that nothing will happen at all


31:52

like, yep, a power those


Brandon  31:55

odds are like this is, this is not good. To realize, yeah, this is, these are unhelpful numbers. Yeah. So we talked about, like, how one of the goals is to get those numbers to be more useful, right? Like, oh, we need to be able to predict like, much, much closer than in 50 years, maybe there's a 40% chance that something could happen. Like, that's not very good.


Collin  32:21

So


Brandon  32:23

those are fun conversations on Friday, when we watch the video. Yeah, it's like some old like PBS V or something. But like, it's pretty interesting. It's pretty in depth, we had to pause a lot, talk a lot, because they get


Collin  32:35

the one I have, like, they go like,


Brandon  32:39

real sciency real hard in a couple of parts. like, Alright, time to translate, guys listen. Yeah. And they have a lot of inserts of, like people's, like eyewitness accounts, but it's like 1811 writing, so you know, they're like, I just stopped dead in my tracks on this night and blah, blah, they you know, they get like,


Collin  33:06

very, very


Brandon  33:11

flowery with their language like, Alright, guys, I know, you probably didn't understand that since at all, but here's what they're talking about.


Collin  33:22

Though, right, because again, especially again, with geology, like they, they do hacks, they have quite a long historical record of people writing about something in some way in and trying to parse through, man, okay, when this person was actually writing about this event, that was actually this earthquake over here that did this. And in trying to piece together a lot of those stories I can imagine is, I think it'd be fun and fascinating, but it's, it's hard to work through.


Brandon  33:53

What is it hard, and it's very interesting. And we the the one good example of that shows up in the video, because there is one eyewitness account of this lady talking about how the air was filled with something like smoke. Right? That's what she describes is happening. Yeah. And what it actually was, was sand blows. Right? Yeah. So the ground in that area, like underground, there's layers of sand. Yeah. And in the shaking, it experiences like liquefaction. Right? So all this becomes very liquidy. And the overburden, which is all the ground above the sand, pushes down on it real hard. Well, that ground cracks and it basically squeezes all of the sand out of like this crack in the ground. So it's like when you squeeze a Capri Sun, and all this stuff shoots out. That's basically what's doing what the sand it's washing down on the sand because it's all hydraulically charged. And then it rockets the sand out of these massive jets like the sand it basically it makes sand volcanoes. There is like all this geologic history in that area that of sand blows, you can see them in the rock layers. And there are still evidence of places where like they are. There's just like areas in that Southeast Missouri where there's just like, oh, this is a big sandy area. Yep. Like, I think that in New Madrid, there's a golf course. And on the golf course, the one of the sand traps is legitimately just an old sand blow. Like, it's actually. So when this lady was talking about the air was filled with her anger, exact words are with something like smoke. It's this sand that's been blown up 60 feet in the air.


Collin  35:49

And it's then


Brandon  35:51

coming back down.


Collin  35:56

Nice. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Those kind of eye witness events and trying to parse through. And because you're dealing with people who are just experiencing it, they're not scientists. They're not in depth studying this. And you're going, what could that possibly So yeah, that's fascinating. I didn't Yeah, yeah. Although,


Brandon  36:15

now that you mentioned it, there is one eyewitness who is in Kentucky at the time, a one John James Audubon has written accounts of these events, because he was in Western Kentucky, and felt the seismic activity from the earthquakes of 1811 and 12 in the New Madrid fault system. So he, he wrote about it, his writing is of course, very, like,


36:43

insane. Like,


36:44

I found myself in great distress, like,


Collin  36:47

you know, perfect, exactly what you need. But the other part that's crazy about


Brandon  36:56

that intercostal seismology is the fact that the crust is very, very, very


Collin  37:05

intact.


37:07

Right? Yeah.


Brandon  37:08

Deep Underground, in the central US. So yeah,


Collin  37:12

the


37:14

earthquake,


Brandon  37:16

that especially specifically the 1811 and 12 event in New Madrid, that those seismic waves traveled tremendous distances. Because the rock is so solid. Yeah. It's all like, fully cooled solid, intercostal rock, whereas like in California, the crust is it's on a boundary. So it's very broken. It's actually very thin. And it's, the bottom is like, it's warmer. So it's more has more plasticity, you know, so the shockwaves don't travel near as far. Yeah, as they do in the center. So like, there are accounts of church bells ringing in Charleston, South Carolina.


Collin  38:00

Yeah. From the seismic events in Missouri.


Brandon  38:05

Yeah. Which is kind of nuts. Right. It's estimated that they felt this up to 1200 miles away in southern parts of Canada.


38:20

Like, yeah,


Brandon  38:22

so the kids were like, well, would we experience it here if it happened? And I was like, What do you think now? They're like, yes, yeah, absolutely.


Collin  38:29

We were standing right on top of it, basically. Yes.


Brandon  38:33

Yeah. I was like, I mean, it would depend on how big it was. But yes. But like, it was like a little tiny one, like, no, because they have little ones a lot over there. You know, like, two to three, but like, a big one, like six plus. Oh, you bet. We're feeling that sucker. Like they were not enthused by this news. They were looking at me quite crossly. Like, why are you telling us all these terrible things that happen?


Collin  39:04

Well, it's one of those things that like, now, you know, not a whole lot you can do about it.


Brandon  39:10

But you know, it's good to be prepared, right? It's important. You're not completely surprised. Yeah. Yeah. Don't go to Memphis right, just be fine.


Collin  39:21

As you're running for cover.


39:22

The reason we feel so bad is because they are crystal seismology. It's so it's so great. Lovely.


Collin  39:32

Yeah, occupied.


Brandon  39:32

Occupied is fine. Okay, stop dropping. Hold on. That's what you gotta do. We watched it. We watched the California earthquake safety videos. Well. Yeah.


39:46

He's not producing this. Now. aveley should, boom. Okay.


Collin  39:52

We'll add that to our other consulting. It's true. It was great. We'll be submitting our that New Madrid fault video


Brandon  40:04

right got to get that on there Public


Collin  40:05

Service Announcement new magic video.


Brandon  40:07

Yeah, right. Exciting how I got a new matter now hang out check


40:15

out our list of in person interview Okay,


Brandon  40:17

that's right. That's true. That's close to St Genevieve want to go there too so boom, catch that Eastern one eastern Missouri. Here we


40:31

come for you so we have chapters to talk about, actually Oh boy do we ever? Uh, Aaron,


40:57

did you get a chance to read these?


Aaron  40:59

New? Okay, sorry. That was almost over actually. Time to do thing. So.


Brandon  41:07

Alright, so for the next book


Collin  41:13

I my previous concerns and during the last episode, a clothing mess. We were I was concerned about how our things were going to get wrapped up. And


Brandon  41:29

yeah, I believe I uttered the word things are not gonna go well for Dally.


41:34

Oh, yep.


Brandon  41:36

Turns out I was the right one.


Collin  41:40

Just just going into this. I know we're going to do a recap here. But just my my thoughts overs chapters 1011 and 12. is I really didn't like them. Like parts of them. I, I thought that after all of the build up that we had just gone through, and especially with two bit not too bad. Johnny, with Johnny just dying. I felt like chapters 1011 12 Were like, just straight downhill. It wasn't even at a 45 degree angle. It was just like, as done with story. Like, I didn't feel like it was a good resolution to this book. It's just going in soon. Yeah, I kind of felt the same way. Right. But so I'm conflicted. Right? Because as a story. Yeah,


Brandon  42:45

this book, definitely, if I'm putting this on my plot diagram, I'm arguing that the climax of the story is the church thing. Right? That's it. Yeah. And then we have like eight chapters of like, the falling action, which is really kind of weird.


Collin  43:01

But if you think about this story,


Brandon  43:07

in like, a real life context actually makes a lot more sense. Because like, a lot of times there isn't like just a resolution to like literally everything and stuff just sort of like


Collin  43:19

goes on. You're not I mean, so. I can't tell if it's annoying, that it has


Brandon  43:28

no actual resolution to anything, or if it is portraying realism


43:34

by just kind of existing, right? I can't tell. Which


Brandon  43:41

which way I think more.


Collin  43:45

Um, yeah, I I'm not going this is this is where I was like, I don't think I can give the author really the benefit of the doubt here and be like, oh, man, it was so real. And she knew about like, how things just happen. That it's, this is what real life is like, I feel like it was just a bad ending. Because there wasn't anything.


44:11

Kind of


Collin  44:13

that was right. Yeah, it was. It was just like, it was it. There was a finality to it. That wrapped up in a weird way to me, but there was like, nothing like Terry, who cares about her? Yeah,


Brandon  44:29

that was I always felt like chapter 12 was basically like epilogue right? It wasn't even really like a yo right? It's not like a really in chapter it's kind of just like epilogue it's like nothing Yeah, chapter it's not


Collin  44:45

Yeah. I feel that's what I feel. So I feel like


Brandon  44:52

I don't really know like it because one chapter. Yeah, we'll get into it more in a minute but like Chapter 11 didn't really do anything like, I felt like that was kind of it right? Like, the dude comes over and they talk and then they just kind of like, done. Like, you know what I mean? Like in chapter 12 is just kind of like the epilogue, it has to be their chapter. But I don't you I don't feel that there was resolution.


Collin  45:26

So let's, let's dive into chapter 10. Dally has run out, leaving Ponyboy like, basically, to walk home. Bleeding profusely.


Brandon  45:41

Yeah, yeah, that's weird. God said He gets a ride from like some random dude who's like, Gee Kade you're bleeding? And he's like, I'm sorry. Like it's like you bleed over my seats like I am. Yeah. So yeah, John. Johnny's dead. Yeah, Connie gets a ride home for some random dude. And he's Tony is like, messed up. Right? We find out later. We do get at least an answer about that. Like what the heck is going on with Tony here?


46:22

But yes,


Brandon  46:24

he's, he makes a home and he's got he's got to be the one to break it to everybody that Johnny's dead.


Collin  46:30

Yeah, yeah. And he I will say he comment. It's interesting cuz he comments. He says, Where's the party? I thought dolly weren't soda and Steve planning a party after the rumble. And I realize the reason there's no party is because they don't know where he is.


46:46

Yeah.


Collin  46:49

Of course, there's no party there worried sick about you? Because you just were abducted by dally to run to the hospital. And he didn't know that.


Brandon  46:58

Yeah.


Collin  47:02

And he has to he has to tell them. He's gone. And they don't know where Dallas is. And then Tony starts to have kind of a it starts to all you can feel all the reality of what's happening and starts to finally hit him. His nerves are finally goes.


Brandon  47:25

Yeah, just sort of like


Collin  47:28

Blap. Is this where we find out about the? I can't remember. He comes home at Yeah. Yeah, he falls down. And he's like, throbbing everywhere. And then they get a phone call from Delhi, which is I did not understand. Yes, it was weird. I didn't write stand the point of because I didn't understand the point of Dally, calling, especially with what we're about to come across after this. He's he's just robbed a grocery store and the cops are after him. And we've got to hide him. And he'll be in the lot. Because then they all start running. And they just running because I don't know where the lot is. But they know and


Brandon  48:15

as it says it says him abandoned lot that they hang out in the house is not very far away from ponies house and my mental geographic map of this area. It's not super far away from


Collin  48:26

from Tony's house. Where they are. And I don't know, because what happens here is dally comes around the corner with the police in full tow. Yeah, even Steve


Brandon  48:36

who's got broken ribs. I think we learned that at some point. Even Steve's that person I forget exists is there.


Collin  48:45

He dally turns


Brandon  48:47

raises his gun. Yeah. But you do get this kind of thing where pony kind of realizes what's happening before it all kind of goes, right? He's like, Oh, he remembers that conversation with Dallas. Like I've been carrying the heater, but ain't loaded. Right. It's like, yeah. Oh, no. He knows what's happening. He's like, Oh, God.


Collin  49:11

I don't know. What I'm trying to piece together. Here is dallies thought. Dalia knows his friends were coming at him. Did he phoned the city make the phone call, so that his friends would see him get shot? Or did he really think he had a chance of getting away? And he wanted the help and then realize there's no way I'm getting out of this. There's no reason left the live. I'm done. Yeah, I couldn't really figure out either because especially later. Where's it say? When he says


Brandon  49:48

when ponys thinking about it, and he's like, of course dally wanted to. Oh, yeah.


49:54

But dally


Brandon  49:55

Winston, I knew that he would be dead because dally wensen wants to be dead. And he always got what he wanted. So, by that logic he like, knew, like he. Yeah, so I don't really understand why he called either because he wanted to go out in the blaze of glory. Right. This is what his whole plan was. That's why he went and robbed the store. Yeah, that's why he


50:22

pulled the gun out


Collin  50:26

because he wanted to die. But why would he call everybody


Brandon  50:32

to come watch the


Collin  50:35

the owner again, the only reason I think, was to because of pony needed


Brandon  50:41

to be there for the story, right?


Collin  50:43

To be the story. Yes. So that we could write about this and know what happened. So there is that aspect. But I also wonder if it was part of Dally, keeping his reputation alive, as true to like, it was kind of like this over, I don't know, over romanticized version, but as you said, it was kind of like, he went out robotically but gallantly, right? He died gallon gallon. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So he says, he says, like, I kind of feel like he made that phone call. So his, his people would see that and know that about him and give them closure, or what in some weird, sick twisted way? I don't know. But it was, it was interesting how Ponyboy grappled with what he was seeing, because


51:32

he was


Collin  51:35

understanding the complexity of who Dally was of like, but he, you know, he pulled Johnny through the window. He really helped us. He really cared. And now all he is, is a dead juvenile. Yeah, and there's nothing good is gonna be written about him. And it's like, yeah, like, again, one of these little cogs of like, like, Tony boy gets it. He's understanding what's going on right now.


52:04

And they pass this out.


Collin  52:06

And I love, love when he comes up, and he's like, Jonah. Is someone sick? So I was like, yeah, go back to sleep.


Brandon  52:15

Wait, am I sick? Yeah, no, be quiet.


Collin  52:22

Oh, yeah. And then he kind of apparently goes in and out for a long time. And is,


52:29

is really not well. Yes.


Brandon  52:34

And again, not to jump the gun, but we do know we've at least find out why. Later.


Collin  52:40

Yeah. I know is right here, right. Yeah, we figured out


Brandon  52:49

he is suffering from exhaustion, shock and a concussion for when he got kicked in the face. At the rumble right here. Yeah, it's right here. I'm flipping through my book here. So I didn't want to spoil it too much. So we find that at least he's why he's been being all weird. Right? The exhaustion obviously, the shock of all this stuff. And then he was in fact kicked directly in the face in the rumble, so he's got he's been concussed. So he's, that's why he's been kind of foggy and scrambled, right. He's like, where do I get my concussion? How long have I been asleep? Like, you got your concussion room getting kicked in the head? And it says, you know, it's Tuesday. You've been asleep since Saturday night. Whoa, what?


Collin  53:43

A lot. And he immediately goes to I'm not gonna be able to make up any of this. Cool. Yeah, and then


Brandon  53:54

then this whole thing is that thing, this is where it starts getting real weird,


Collin  53:58

right? And like, I'm not really going to school. I've got to go do this. And then you know, then he starts


Brandon  54:09

talking about all this stuff. And like he just goes all goes very strange. Again, he goes all baloney, and he gets a


Collin  54:17

weird about the whole like, did I he feels like he's upset dairy, because he said that I asked for soda while he was out. Yeah,


Brandon  54:24

I couldn't if that was here, or in the chapter 11 when they're at home, but like, Yeah, he does kind of like he feels uncomfortable that he didn't ask for dairy because I guess he asked for like his mom and dad even. Oh, yeah, you kept asking for me and soda. Sometimes mom and dad too, but mostly soda. And then he like felt guilty that he didn't also ask for dairy because he remembered that dairy also loves him and he's like, Oh, wait, but I might not. Do I really still not think that because I didn't ask for him. He's like, dude, calm down.


Collin  55:01

So to jump in here,


55:04

and he is looking, everyone's looking a little rough


Collin  55:09

here, where he's like on the bed and he's trying to talk with with Ponyboy and dairies like, please leave them alone. and stuff.


Brandon  55:17

Oh yeah, he's like, easy man leave Well, yeah. Take it easy with him. Okay, he's like fine, fine.


Collin  55:22

Yeah. Oh, and then the whole bologna thing we get that that comes back. That was $1. Yeah, look at that. He's like, Hey, don't you like bologna? He's like, No, I don't like I've never liked it. I was like, that's weird. Use eat a lot. I wonder why. What could have happened?


Brandon  55:39

Yeah, like what? Dag man. I


Collin  55:40

go live guy. And, and. Yeah, and then they go to sleep. And then we get into chapter 11.


55:54

Yes.


Collin  55:56

Oh, sorry. Before we do that, he Reish SOTA reassures pony that he did ask for dairy. And then he's like, okay, good. Because I I was worried I didn't and but I did. So that's, that's good. And I was like, Yeah, don't worry about it. He did. Again, the weird things he worries about. Yeah.


Brandon  56:17

Then chapter 11, the one that made no sense. whatsoever. I have a hard time not even a little bit. It really kind of bothers me this chapter. It annoys me a lot.


Collin  56:31

I don't know why it does.


56:38

Yeah, he,


Collin  56:40

he starts going off about because he he's in sodas, yearbook. And he finds a picture of of Bob, right? Yeah, the guy who got killed. It starts again, going like, who was that kid? What was going on? Did he have a kid brother who idolized him? You know, what made him run wild. But you know, he starts going real deep into that kid, and trying to understand what had happened. And what steps led up to that moment in the park. Yeah. And then Randy shows up at his house.


57:20

Hey, why are you here?


Collin  57:23

That was so weird. S he sits down and starts smoking in the


Brandon  57:33

I mean, you know, probably smokes all the time anyway. Is one character trait that hasn't changed? He just smokes like a chimney. So


Collin  57:41

yeah. And Randy's like, this was this. Went off the wheels for me because I understand why this was written. So Randy starts telling him about like, I'm going to be testifying. And I'm going to be telling the truth. And I just want to say the right things.


58:06

And


Collin  58:10

he starts to deny or he starts to claim that he killed and not Johnny.


Brandon  58:15

Yeah, that's the part I was like, What in


58:17

the heck are you


Brandon  58:18

got pani by? And it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Right? Like, man,


Collin  58:25

I don't know where this comes out of and the only thing I can think of is that a couple points up before this. Ponyboy is saying things like No, he's not dead. He's not dead. Don't think about


Brandon  58:38

it. Yeah, he's like in this weird denial state like and you know, maybe that was his concussion talking. Right? Like that's the only other thing I could possibly think of.


Collin  58:47

I kind of think it was a way because he wanted to protect the memory of Johnny that he that how Johnny died. Yeah, he knew what was in Johnny's heart and hero Johnny hero down and he didn't want to have to hear that about coming out of somebody else's mouth about this right it's kind of the things that like when you know there's a truth and when somebody else says it if you don't like hearing it Yeah, so you anything to kind of try and cover it but it kind of like I know that's the only thing I could come up to figure out like wow, that Assam flip switch here and what's going on?


Brandon  59:28

Yeah, because even at the end, right he's like not kid it was your friend the one who died in the hospital. And then again, he reiterate Johnny is not dead. Right.


59:37

So like, are you talking about like


Brandon  59:44

physical Johnny because he did. But like, you're gonna talk about like the memory of Johnny I suppose. This one that you are trying to idolize and hang on to like the quote, real Johnny right. Yeah,


Collin  1:00:00

well and he says, the reason that cued me off into this was he swallowed hard and blank key meaning Randy was just like the rest of the Sosa's cold blooded mean, Johnny didn't have anything to do with Bob's getting killed. And I think he's trying to contrast here began putting these classes like, Johnny was nothing like somebody who would, who would kill somebody. But yeah, that's OSHA's like they are actually all like that. And saying these lies about Johnny, Johnny. Johnny wouldn't hurt anybody. And again, this is trying to defend a memory of Johnny that have.


1:00:41

Yeah, this is very.


Brandon  1:00:45

Yeah, he goes on defensive when Randy talks about getting mixed up in this right and his responses, like he thought he was mixed up in this, right. Like, and he kind of goes off and goes all crazy and everything. And then, yeah, but that's just like real short. And that's just it. Boom, done. Yeah. Well, I'll just


Collin  1:01:03

tell them to quit smoking. Yeah, go smoke in the bed. Boom. Also, don't smoke in bed safety hazard. And then chapter 12, the magical chapter of like, man, we've got a lot to cover. And I, this is what really was like, I was so let down by chapter 12. Mostly because it starts off with him at the trial. Right.


1:01:31

And the


Collin  1:01:35

everyone's just like talking, and they tell them to straight and that, like, that's, there's nothing here of like, everyone's spoke. And then the judge was like, Do you like your house? Do you like your brothers? Okay, cool. You go back and sit down. was like,


Brandon  1:01:58

yeah, it was a he did make a point of like, saying, I didn't even get say anything. But the doctor also talked to the judge, like beforehand, so I think I think he was you were left in Ferb, like, yeah, this kid has messed up. And he's been totally concussed in his out of his gourd.


Collin  1:02:17

Yeah, probably. He's not the one to talk to you about this plus, yeah, yeah, I can, I can understand that. And being like, because we're at the point eight, he's trying to recover from this talking about it actually makes it worse. So please.


1:02:31

Now,


Brandon  1:02:33

I need to ask a important question. Did I miss something? Or did we get another character trait of Ponyboy dropped on us in chapter number 12. He says, I guess I looked as scared as I really was. Because the judge grinned at me and told me to quit chewing my fingernails. That's a habit I


Collin  1:02:52

have.


1:02:56

Pony.


Collin  1:02:58

Oh, I understand that. Like this whole book,


Brandon  1:03:03

the whole thing? Right, starting from like chapter two, three, there have been instances where nail chewing would have been a thing that you would have been doing. And to have it mentioned here only on the last chapter of the book. Now. I'm imagining that He only wrote it down here because the judge specifically pointed out, right? But sure. I do think it's really strange to like, put that like to put Oh, yeah, to my nails and I'm nervous. In the last chapter. It's about character.


Collin  1:03:46

No, I totally Yeah. Agree of like that. That's a habit you have.


Brandon  1:03:50

That's really weird. That would have been Yeah, it's like the track thing. Like, wait, you're telling me now you're on track with a Heckman? Like, oh, yeah, I do that. But all this stuff makes a little bit more sense here in a minute and now be I'll tell you why. But okay.


Collin  1:04:05

Well, he does say you're getting to your point, right and of, of, you know, things. Is there not an ending because that's not how life is. And he does say I wish there could everything went back to normal. But it didn't. Because apparently he was just continuing to run into things. He was not coordinated. He was absent minded. Leaving like his socks in places or shoes in the locker room.


Brandon  1:04:31

Yeah, yeah. So like, post concussion syndrome happening here. Right. Like, yeah, and like, maybe not a minor concussion. Like,


Collin  1:04:40

apparently, apparently, it was like, capital B bad kind of Yeah, fashion and into shock and trauma, you know, PTSD kind of stuff going on here.


Brandon  1:04:49

Where are they also PTSD? Because he said he like you know, teacher was scared of him like, oh, yeah, they're


Collin  1:04:58

you know, like


Brandon  1:05:00

His grades like went way downhill. And he started having trouble in English, which was like his favorite class before that, though he's dealing with all this stuff, he's not like it's, it's affecting him, like his internalizing of, of the events of this book have really


1:05:19

messed him


Collin  1:05:20

up. Right. And I think that I think that really gets showcased in the example where at lunchtime, they go to buy Coke candy bars and some socialists so up show up. Oh, yeah. Like this, to me was like, wow, like Ponyboy is, is like, altered. And I'm gonna say it, it's and I don't know. It's like, everything is what happens. I'll get to a point. The social show up and they're like, Oh, you killed Bob. We don't like that. Man. And Tony boy, just like, casually. Yeah, I


Brandon  1:06:03

do. Like, we don't like nobody killing our friends. Like, what? What kind of sins is he says that?


Collin  1:06:11

Of course you don't like you'd be weird. If you were like, you killed Bob. We'd love everybody who kills our friends. Thank you. Yeah. Weird. But Ponyboy just like, without thinking without any fear, like, breaks the bottle that is holding this is coke. And just like, get back into the car. And like, starts threatening them and walking towards them with a broken bottle. And they do and they run away. Yeah. And two bits, like, you really would have done that what you have? And he's just like, I guess so I don't understand why everyone else was so scared. Like, we were just going to go do this. We were just going to go rumble and where I was going to bite them with this bottle. And then he goes starts cleaning glass. But I will say that this to me speaks of all along the way. Pony is trying to figure out why did Dalit Why is Daddy like this? Hey, why do you guys like to rumble? Why do you have to do these things? What's going on here? What Why are you like this? Pony is now like this because of the trauma and the experiences and the and the the the injuries that he has now sustained through the life of a racer? And the cycle continues.


1:07:29

Yeah, I haven't I mean, that's kind of


1:07:32

pointed out by to bit,


Brandon  1:07:33

right. Again, Steve says nothing because he's not even a character in this book. Come on, Steve. Well, yeah, sorry. For Steve's car. So that's thing. But but to bid turns around. He's like two bids. kind of shocked by this whole thing. He's like, Dude, what the heck, right? And he's like, pony. Listen, don't get tough. You're not like the rest of us. It don't try to be


Collin  1:07:53

right. Yeah, but at that point, what he doesn't want to do it too bit doesn't understand is that pony wasn't trying to be. He was just reacting. Yeah. Right. He wasn't he wasn't trying to put on airs or trying to bluff. He was just like, Okay, fine. Let's do this. This is the life we lead. Yeah, they're like, in the same breath. He


Brandon  1:08:16

turns out and, and to bits like, Dude, what are you doing? And Tony's cleaning up all of the glass fragments that he left in the parking lot, because he doesn't want somebody to get a flat tire?


Collin  1:08:28

Yeah. So we're kind of proving that like, he's not all gone. Right. He's,


Brandon  1:08:33

he's still like,


Collin  1:08:34

he's exactly. Yeah, this. Yeah. It's it's really like, because again, yeah, it's he's still he's still pony right now. Is he still concerned about this? Yeah. But in that moment, there was not concern of his other stuff. There was it was just like, okay, like, he was ready. He was ready to go and confused why everyone else wants. You're like, Ooh, okay. Yeah, that's, that speaks a lot to, to the kind of change. And the impact of that this lifestyle and exposure to these kinds of events really does because it just becomes part of character developed here becomes part of who you are. Whenever you're living that. Yeah,


Brandon  1:09:19

we get a little bit more of that here in just a minute. So yeah, we get so they do that they go home. Right. Oh, kind of weird. So to comes in, and he's not doing great either, you know, and I think that's kind of weird because he's not being all


1:09:39

strange and


Brandon  1:09:41

Tony's struggling with his schoolwork because he's all in this weird mode of all this stuff. And then, dairy gets onto him again, and basically, you have this leather moment, he's like the school works, not the point. You're living in a vacuum pony. You're gonna have to cut it out too. Are you in Dallas are our buddies to, but you don't just stop living because you blew someone I thought you knew that by now.


1:10:06

You don't quit, right?


Brandon  1:10:12

They start fighting and all this stuff. They have another they go back to that whole thing and then we realize why soda was


Collin  1:10:19

flipping out on the couch again. Sandy moved to Florida, and never opened any homeowners. Oh, yes,


Brandon  1:10:27

Sandy the person I also forgot existed.


1:10:31

Ah.


Collin  1:10:34

Yeah, like, Okay.


Brandon  1:10:37

Ooh. But I mean, it's kind of it makes sense. Right? Like, I have this story only from pony boys point of view. Yeah. And I don't I don't he kind of sums it up right here, right? He's talking about, I never realized that. I never paid much digitus sodas, problems, dairy. And I just took it for granted that he didn't have any. Right. But this whole time all this has been going on. And all these things have been hanging over their heads. So it has been dealing with this whole Sandy thing, right? Like he's been dealing with this privately, not saying anything. And this is like the last straw that like broke him. And they're not really paying attention to it either. Right. And we have been painted the whole book. And again, that's because we are only only pony. Right? But so that kind of it does make sense. Right? And I forgot about it. Because pony forgot about it. You know?


Collin  1:11:30

Yeah. Oh, and so that so in the middle of reason this is important here because in the middle of soda, and are in the middle of Ponyboy and dairy fighting. SOTA runs out, because he's like, don't Oh, guys, why can't you and then he runs out the door and Ponyboy is like, what happened? And and that's where they that's where dairy shares like, Yeah, this is going on. He cried every night that you were gone. Every night that week. You were gone. Because you and now, Sandy. And he's been really struggling and Ponyboy is like, oh, yeah, I guess I never asked him how he was doing. And he always asked how I was doing. That's how I miss this. Yeah. And they run out to go get Yeah, they go find him. And


1:12:24

they,


Collin  1:12:25

so to tell them like I cannot stand being put in the middle of you to fighting. And I see both of your side. And I don't want to take aside. So please stop fighting. Yeah, they were kind of putting, they were kind of pitting SOTA, like against the other or trying to use him and just playing tug of war with with soda. And it was really, really eating up soda, because he didn't want to hurt either of his brothers.


Brandon  1:12:53

Yeah. And he was trying to deal with his own stuff, right? He's dealing with his own thing. He's got work, and he's got this stuff. And he was trying to deal with this sandy situation. Right? And yeah, they were both like, ignoring that at just worried about their own stuff, you know?


Collin  1:13:09

Yeah. Yep. And he, he goes down, and he says, you know, don't fight anymore. And then we get this other this glimpse again, of, of the world and of Ponyboy realizing, cuz he says dairy looked real worried. I suddenly realized that dairy was only 20. He wasn't so much older, that he couldn't feel scared or hurt and as lost as the rest of us. I thought that was really important. Because you do have those people in your life, especially, I don't know, older brothers, that. And even younger brothers where you're like, man, like, they're so much older, there's so much younger, there's no way they could possibly understand what was going on. Or if they've got it all figured out or whatever. That it's like, oh, actually, no, like, we're kind of still all in this together.


Brandon  1:14:02

Yeah, they're not they he's not really that old. Right. And we do kind of get like the sense from Ponyboy the whole like, the way that pony talks about dairy the whole book, he does seem older. So this moment right here when he's like, he's only 20 is kind of striking. Because he is presented as a lot older, like in ponies mind I guess. Because again, we have ponies point of view only it does it just feel like dairy is older. Oh, all the time. So this moment does stand out is rather striking to hear like, Oh,


1:14:37

he's only 20 He's not really that.


Collin  1:14:42

Different from me.


Brandon  1:14:43

Like we're not that far apart in.


1:14:50

Yeah, and then.


Collin  1:14:53

Yeah, I think that's really, really important here to put in context for us readers but also propone realizing Yeah, like, okay. Like, he's, again, this, this, this humanizing aspect of, of understanding. People are more complicated. Yeah.


Brandon  1:15:12

And then they they have the I can't remember who said it here it's, I guess it's so nice is you know you know, we're all we've got left, we ought to be able to stick together against everything. If we don't have each other. We don't have anything. And if you don't have anything you end up like Dallas. Yeah. And I don't mean dead. I mean, like he was before.


Collin  1:15:35

That's worse than dead.


Brandon  1:15:39

So, you kind of have this counterpoint of like, you know, cuz I'm imagining their rundown. I think they're probably not too far away from where he died. Right having this conversation? Because a lot. I don't think he's very far from the house. I don't think so that made it very far before they caught him.


Collin  1:15:56

So they're kind of,


Brandon  1:15:57

you know, comparing this to Delhi. So don't be like that, you know, because, especially when you're juxtaposing it to how pony reacted at the gas station. Right. That's how dally would have reacted. Yeah.


Collin  1:16:10

You know, like, Well, I'm


Brandon  1:16:11

just gonna stab you, because who cares? You know?


1:16:14

So,


Brandon  1:16:16

having that juxtaposition of, of soda saying, like, you don't want to be like that, because that's worse than death, like having nothing to live for is not. Yep. Good. So you kind of have that opposite here.


Collin  1:16:33

And then they then they race home. And of course, because Because again, their children. Yeah, right. Yeah.


Brandon  1:16:44

Yeah. No, it makes sense, you know.


Collin  1:16:47

And he still doesn't want his homework. And so he decides, I need to start emotionally processing Johnny Depp. Yeah.


Brandon  1:16:55

Well, I mean, he's got to start somewhere. No,


Collin  1:16:58

yeah. No, why not? Now, especially with F coming to peace again, in coming to terms and having more security with with his brothers. It's a safe time for him. And, but he does say, you know,


Brandon  1:17:10

I just thought that maybe if I played like, Johnny wasn't dead, it wouldn't hurt so much.


Collin  1:17:15

Yeah. Kind of like and he gives his I love this example of that. The way to bit grieve was he was mad at Dallas, because he had his switch blades on him. And so he didn't have the switch blades anymore.


Brandon  1:17:28

That's true. Because yeah, whenever dally died, he had it on his body and the cop circuit. Yeah. And that was to its prized possession. Yep. That handles switchblade.


Collin  1:17:39

But that he was, but he was, he was better able to grieve the loss of the switchblade than the loss of Dallas. And so he grieved the switch. Yeah. Which I thought was who that was. That was like, Okay, that is definitely a coping mechanism with loss


1:17:57

and grief. Yeah. But then you have the ultimate


Brandon  1:18:04

coping with loss and grief because ponies trying to find something to breed to try to distract him. So he picks up the only book in the house that he hasn't read 75 times. Which of course is Gone With the Wind. Johnny's copy of Gone With the Wind and wouldn't you know it? Paper falls on the floor.


Collin  1:18:25

Oh my gosh. This this paper would have been helpful a chapter and a half go that is definitely true.


1:18:36

Man,


Brandon  1:18:37

where was the Yeah. Okay, there's no way to know right? So but yes, you do read this and go ah, cash. Yeah, so I guess if there is any real closure in the book, if the book has any closure at all. It's this letter from Johnny page 178. Right page. 178 bad is it? That's true.


Collin  1:19:02

Yeah, yeah, cuz then he realizes he realizes he's like, is Johnny's like, Hey, tell dally the stuff. And he's like tell dally it's Yeah, late to tell to a steel dally but but he's like, You know what? I bet there are a bunch of other dallies out there and a bunch of other Johnny's out there who need to be told this and need to be shared this story someone needs to tell them that he rings his English Yeah.


1:19:34

You get the like


Brandon  1:19:37

he was the there's that part where he the the part that's like I think crushes pony soul the most is like I want you to have Dally. Look at a sunset. He'll probably think you're crazy but ask him for me. Yeah, now the sunset


1:19:49

is sunset.


Brandon  1:19:55

And he does explain to him the most famous line from All of the outsiders the stay gold Pony Boy.


Collin  1:20:04

Oh, our poem from the church comes back. Right? Yeah,


1:20:09

he kind of tells him what he meant by that. Yep. Sam, you


Collin  1:20:13

kid every every new dawn? Yes, yes, everything.


1:20:20

Isn't he brings his English teacher


Collin  1:20:23

which phonebooks in 2021? What's that? And


Brandon  1:20:34

three, just talking for a side note, can we just talk about how glad I am that my students can't look my name up in a phone book and call me whenever they want. Is this


Collin  1:20:45

point? No. Oh, yes, it would be. That'd be awful. And horrendous? To have that. Yeah, for sure. And, oh, I guess I guess we've kind of missed over this thing of his grades are so bad that his English teacher has told him Hey, if you could just write like a really good paper, or a paper at all, like, if you see Yeah, I will pass you. And so he's been struggling to come up with a topic and he doesn't know what to write about. And so he sits down after saying that it just doesn't have to be less than five pages. The doctors in or the in his life can be longer. He's like, sure it can be longer.


Brandon  1:21:23

Can it be 180? Pay


1:21:28

him apples there.


Brandon  1:21:30

How about them apples?


Collin  1:21:32

Turns out, he starts writing a story


1:21:34

about


Collin  1:21:36

stepping out from the bright sunlight darkness of a movie how I had only two things on my mind, Paul Newman, and a ride home. Oh, the opening night of this very book. That's true. Ponyboy notice bras as true. So now


Brandon  1:22:01

a lot of things make a lot more sense.


1:22:03

Yeah. Right. Because


Brandon  1:22:06

in like a really meta way. All of these criticisms and gripes that I've had about this book are not grapes to se Hinton their grapes, tough pony.


Collin  1:22:20

Right? So I'm sorry, Miss Hinton.


Brandon  1:22:23

I'm graphing at pony play only.


Collin  1:22:28

In a weird way.


Brandon  1:22:31

It makes a lot of the things that annoyed me about the book, like


1:22:35

more forgivable because you are reading pony. coping mechanism. Right. So the fact that


Brandon  1:22:49

like, he, you know, when you tell a story to people, and then all of a sudden, like, you go, Oh, yeah. Anyway, by the way, this is a thing. Okay. Yeah. Teenagers know that. And then you keep going until the story, like basically all this podcast ever. Oh, that's what pony is doing. When he says things like, Oh, I chew my fingernails sometimes in chapter 12. It's a habit. Right? It wasn't, it wasn't really important ever again. And the only reason that he wrote it down is because he remembered the judge telling him about it specifically.


1:23:22

Yes, right.


Brandon  1:23:25

Yep. The only reason he said a lot of that stuff at the beginning of the book was not to introduce you to the characters. He was remembering his friends. Like they were he was remembering Dally, when he was still alive. He was remembering Johnny, when he was still alive. So thinking about the way that Johnny is represented specifically, but also Dally and some of the other characters you thinking about this says pony writing about them after they're dead.


1:24:00

Makes a lot more sense. Right?


Brandon  1:24:03

I am slightly annoyed that we like had to get all the way to the end for me to be like, Oh, okay, well, that makes sense now, but like it makes more sense, right? Those like weird little details that were not important. Right? They were important to pony because those are the important things that define his daily


1:24:23

life. And so, like,


Brandon  1:24:27

it's actually really interesting that she wrote it this way. Right? She almost brought it like, pony was writing it. You know what I mean? Like,


Collin  1:24:40

I also had like a contest. Tony was writing this in Yeah. Which like, to me was like, okay, all those times where we were like, weirdly daydreaming and it wasn't making sense. And it was kind of rambling. It's like, I understand now. Or, like, yeah, so it was interesting how she wrote it as pony Having experienced all of this stuff, concussed writing it is a way, a memoir and dedicating it really at this point to dally in to, to Johnny, as a way of of warning others about that way that lifestyle choices and


1:25:21

pointing out


Collin  1:25:23

those flaws. Yeah. When I got to that sentence I was like, okay, a lot of the stuff I see now. I see now. And it still doesn't make me like the writing or how it ended.


Brandon  1:25:41

Give it more sense, though, but it was like, Yeah, makes a lot more sense.


Collin  1:25:46

It finally makes sense.


Brandon  1:25:47

Yeah, it does. And I Yeah, because we know that this book is literally written by pony.


Collin  1:25:55

Yeah. Right. As like,


Brandon  1:25:59

this code prism. Everything makes more sense now. Right? I don't necessarily love all of it. But I'm at least much more content with it. Because it, it has at least a meaning. Now. Write that and I can sort of justify that in my mind. I understand. I understand the choices more. And that for me makes it it's more digestible because I can understand the choices and where these things are coming from. Because it is pony telling you the story. Yeah. Which is why we don't necessarily have resolutions for everything with like cherry and all that stuff. Because it might not


Collin  1:26:37

have happened yet. Yeah, right. There's still or he might not have ever known. Or but like, there's still there's still it happened. more to the story. Yeah,


Brandon  1:26:50

it happened after he turned in the paper. Yeah. Right. It happened like a week later. Right? It like, you know, I mean, like, so it does leave it open for this, these resolutions in his life could have occurred after he wrote these down. Yeah. So he wrote down the Justice section. Which again, is what makes it such an isolated story. Right? Everything just resolves around like this, right? You wouldn't. The reason that we don't have like, place names and all this stuff is because pony doesn't need them. Because he knows what he's talking about. Yeah. And I mean, so the thing that makes this story like really, actually timeless is because pony didn't need them in his writing. Right? Because this is like the story feels like removed from any time, but also like, it could happen literally anywhere. Except for like, weird terms like Modra shirts.


1:27:51

It's like,


Collin  1:27:54

or it could it


Brandon  1:27:56

or heater? Yeah, or the pack that people are driving around. Corvairs. Right. Like it could happen this could this story. These events could have happened, like, last year. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Because pony didn't need to write down like geographic details, because he knew where all was happening. And it wasn't important to the events of the story that he was trying to cope with. Like you get this like sort of timeless sting kind of accent, right?


Collin  1:28:29

Which is really very interesting. Yeah, and I think that that's one reason why it is it felt it makes it a classic. And I think it makes a lot more complicated to parse through. And I guess in one aspect, it is nice that it's kind of left at the end, because then you do get that. Oh, okay, moment to kind of reflect back on and you do find I found myself skimming back through the rest of the previous 11 chapters going okay, that Okay, okay. It's like seeing everything kind of unfold like dominoes, going back. And things clicking a lot more for me than they did. While I was actively reading it. I guess that that's part of this. I don't know. I don't really, really what that does to a reading experience, you know, experiencing a book in real time and not knowing the end. I think that this was this was good in that, that we're able to piece it back together. i So for that, I think it's good for showing that kind of writing style. Most everything else still, until it's about a I'm gonna say more positive on this book. I'm gonna go ahead and rate it. I'm gonna give it a six. Just because I had to slog through 12 chapters to get there. But yeah,


Brandon  1:29:55

that one chapter killed me. What whichever one it was the one that matters For the church, that chapter still is the worst thing ever. But yeah, I would say, generally more positive than I. I know I rag on it, but I did enjoy it more than I make it sound like sometimes, right? Especially how much I droned on about certain things like I would say, yeah, definitely solid. I might even go seven. Right. It's pretty good but again, I think yeah, that the saving the realization for the end is mildly annoying, but it does. I did like the that you kind of been had to think about the rest of the book. Like you kind of did have to go oh, wait, because it did change my perception about a lot of things, right? Because like I said, a lot of things I was just like, super upset about and like really grumpy about kind of all of a sudden I was like, Okay, well, I'm not sure about that anymore. It makes sense now. So that's the one bit this the other bit of closure that I have is I know now that I was reading pony boys English assignment. And it is him dealing with his trauma. Just out there. Yeah. So that makes it. He just makes the whole book make more sense. A little more tolerable.


1:31:26

Yeah. Okay, I can forgive a lot of stuff. Yeah. I'm glad we read it. I'm interested in what book we choose. Next. We'll have to Yeah, those discussions and


Brandon  1:31:38

might have to take a break might have to go back to solid movie to territory for a little closer. We'll take in the middle but


1:31:44

in the movies from the literature, but yeah, no, I think I enjoyed this a lot. Thank you. I would like to do another one. Okay. Run, run, run with that.


1:31:59

Perfect. Well, that was our 12356 part series. On


Brandon  1:32:07

the other one just for more content, holy cow people.


1:32:12

Expert see later. And yeah, looking forward to whatever Yeah, but yeah. Okay. Love you guys. knows you