slippery slope to a snorkel

Collin has some stories about attack dogs, lame “business coaches”, and business cards. Brandon brings the question of the century with, “Which state has the best Department of Transportation acronym.” Obviously it’s MoDOT.

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SPEAKERS

Collin, Brandon

Collin  00:04

Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast of three brothers. Trying to figure it all out. Because your hosts, Brandon, Colin, and Aaron, on this week show. Slippery slope to a snorkel. Hello? Oh, boy, it's what's working this thing and stuff right for

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working. We love working so great

00:32

No, I was not talking about off road tires. Obviously, you don't even live not was not fine. I were talking

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about how the different size of offer tires could affect your gearing. I mean to do with our engineer father.

00:52

It's important. You it is important to, to think about these things, though. And that is actually one reason why people go with the 460 over a foreigner is because right off the bat, you can fit larger tires on it without any modifications of the suspension. And, and it has they have a wider wheel arches anyway, like taller. So you can actually, again, you less modification of the body and all the underpinnings but just you know that just a little bit more aggressive again, the phrase that will break me just a little bit more than just a little bit. Because here's what happens, right? Here's what happens. You go into that first new tire set, and you say just a little bit more aggressive, right? Then you run those and then you come back and say just a little bit more aggressive. And then over the course, for the course,

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before it's lift on. You're exactly,

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because they'll start to say, oh, man,

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we can't. Can't put any bigger than that.

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Unless you go tell me more. And you're like, Well, I'm already this far. So it's just the slippery slope into an overlanding Regan a snorkel is

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a slippery slope into a snorkel. Yes. I mean, quite obvious step, quite

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literally, in some cases that you need to go with a slippery slope.

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True. So

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But yes, it is a slippery slope to start, right?

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Yes, I once again hanging my head in my hands was the gas gasps and yet not surprised at

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all in the same same breath, though.

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I mean, you know,

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it's, or worst things in the world. That is true. That's how we should? That's exactly how we should go and compare ourselves to others who well, yeah, could be I could be doing worse things. So therefore, obviously, so obviously, I'm fine. That is the works. Gosh. So no, it's all all work, I figured out I figured out the trick. Last time we spoke I had said that there's this weird thing of that the side mirrors weren't tilting down when you put it in reverse. And you but sometimes it was. And I thought it had to do with a parking sensor proximity and stuff. I was very wrong. It turns out that there's a little switch to toggle between whether you're adjusting the left side mirror or the right side mirror, when this toggle is switched, so that they are not, it's it's like a cantilever thing, right? Where you flop it over to one side and flop it back. When there's a middle position. My OCD nature places it in the middle position because it is symmetrical and nice. And however, in this position, it deactivates the auto turning down of the side mirrors when you put it into reverse. So the only Yes, this is how you deactivate that. And it makes sense. Because if you're not expecting it, it is quite off putting right and it does actually remove some of the information. Oh, necessarily. Like, I don't know, if you're backing up on something tall, right? You don't want these things just, you know, down. So I guess Yeah. So but they they put the the active versus inactive nature of this onto this little switch. And so in order to have it activated, you have to choose either left mirror or right mirror and then it will actually do this behavior. If you don't want it to do this during reversing. You put it in the middle position.

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So does it does it

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matter if it's left or right does it do both mirrors regardless? Yes, just turn that into like an off.

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That is? Yes, that's the on off situation. Is there two bases there? To on,

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it's an on off on switch.

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Yes, it is. Indeed it is. Yes. Which is, you know. So I thought this was very I figured that out today because I was like What in heavens is going on? Because I was just, I just parked in like, there was nothing around me. And then I parked, I'm sure if people thought they thought it was crazy, because I was getting like super close to the ad. And I was like, I went, I was like, it's beeping. So surely I'll turn into nothing but and then, and then I had to actually adjust the side mirrors. And I left it there. And then it activated. And I was like, oh, that's what this is gonna be. Okay, cool. Cool. Cool. Cool.

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Strange. But, yeah. All right. I guess I had to sign it somewhere. Right. You got to you got to put it someplace.

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Yeah, you don't want to add another switch just for that feature? are buried or buried in some menu, you know, undergrads print screens. Yeah.

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That works.

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Yeah. So yeah. But sneaking into a secondary function.

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Already. There's a job. And there's no kind of odd, and there's no other markings. Right. You know, if you look at the function rows of your on your keyboard, like there's a little symbol that says what else that thing does? Yeah. Which is a great technique for UI and communicating information. But that was not their Lexus. Engineers. Were just like, No, let them find out. Let them discover this.

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Yeah, you know, whatever, I guess. Yeah. So.

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Yep. So that's learning that kind of stuff. Fall. Oh, good.

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To go, you learned a thing.

Collin  06:52

I did learn thing. Also, I was contacted by a client today potential client who said, looking for boarding over Thanksgiving, to which I got fired internally, because it is. And I just said, well, and I said also, like, we don't provide that. We come to your home. And I was telling her about that service. And she goes, Well, I don't think that's going to work. And I was like, Oh, why? She said, I have for jogos trained for self defense. And I went, Oh, this will not work. This will indeed Yeah, not not work at all. The Dogo Argentino is everything. My goodness, yes, she has.

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I can throw some steaks at it from afar and

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four of those four of them. She has, she has a puppy. She has a two females and she has an unaltered male

Collin  08:06

developed for big game hunting, including wild boar, and are a very, very common, like home defense, protection dog and vague and they are being aggressive. Yes, they are. They're very intimidating. And they have a disposition of, of not liking other people. Right. There's again, no,

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no such thing as an aggressive breed. They, they have to be socialized to an extreme to get them comfortable, a lot more work than yes, they have to. Yes, they do. And so I wouldn't be comfortable doing this by myself, let alone sending in seven other individuals into over the course of a week. Because I have three people that work for me during the week and three people that work for me on the weekends. So plus me. It's like, I can't know. And then I remember that in our insurance. We actually have a clause that says we are unable to care for police animals. Murder has just Dragos pretty much no. And I mean they're beautiful dogs. They're wonderful. They're absolutely they're super impressive.

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Yeah, but like,

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but, but like, Yo, come on.

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Yeah,

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yeah, so we we backed out I just said no, that's not gonna work. Not gonna work.

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Yeah, I don't know. I guess maybe I'm just a naive boy.

09:50

Just living my life in rural Missouri. You know, not really worrying about such things.

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Any time I see somebody online or someplace like that

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that has like, I have this dog trained for defense of my house. Living with me. I'm always like

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really? Why? Ah, like those ones those what are those other ones? There's like Cane Corso dogs. They're like, Oh, yeah, no dogs can be trained for like,

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Mondo, like. Yes. Have to be socialized

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a certain way like Kinkos and dogs trained pretty much the same. Yeah, yeah, you, you can't go near them. Yeah. Because they'll just like bite your hand off. Like, because they're so protective of whatever, because they've been trained. They've been put through a program to be trained that way.

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It's like, what are you doing? Why

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he like, I

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don't understand the need for this again, maybe it is my naivete, right. Me just randomly living in a rural town where I don't have to worry about people abducting me or whatever. Right. But like, this is a very strange thing to me. And I don't understand the need for murder dogs.

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You're right. Yeah, I don't get it.

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And again, and again, we're not saying that all dogs but but here's the thing is that they are freaking out.

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People that the people that say I have trained my dogs specifically to be an attack slash guard dog.

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Right? It makes no sense to me. It makes sense.

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Because I trained my dog for protection. Like yeah, I don't I don't understand that.

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At that point, it's I had it trained right because you

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know people that do well yeah, so there's the different slopes get professional so you can get on there is definitely dog talk that has it's very very sad to watch the quote unquote trainers doing this kind of work. But there's the there's the a professional trainer from a reputable breeder and it's weird because like a reputable breeder like the breed standards for each and every single one of these are like, like none of them say murder dog. Like all of them are like, great. Yes. Like Like, but it's the irrefutable is the disreputable. I don't know what's the proper word for that. But yeah, it's the bad breeders that that breed in and don't select for that they just go for the looks, or other characteristics, and then that the temperaments get pushed to the wayside. And then with they're not extensively like there's the there's the I have a defensive dog because I trade it and then there's the I have a defensive dog because I did nothing for my dog and it's codependent on me. And it wasn't anybody near me. I've been inactive and sense. But the people who go actively out and like send their dogs to defensive school. I'm talking about that, that. That That is so weird to me. I'm not talking about

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the random person that just leaves his Rottweiler outside. So it's just really angry, like a junkyard, like, right? The prototypical like Junkyard Dog, right, writhing around outside eating scraps of meat from the junkie, I'm not talking about that. Yeah, that's weird. But I'm not talking about I'm talking about the people that are like, I had my dog trained for this.

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It's like, well, why?

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Now granting? Now granted, will it be fun when they get a home invasion, and from the darkness, they can go fetch his soul and the dog? Like that would be sure. Like, that's kind of neat.

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But I mean, also, the internet has like, skewed my view of who has these dogs because it's all these like, Rich Internet dudes that live in these like high their houses are like already very secure, or they live in these places. And like, also had this dog because it's

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cool. Like, dude, what? No, that's not cool. I tell

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you this, but as lame

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at that point, just yet, like, Sure, not everybody agrees. But like, would you rather have somebody have an attack dog or a handgun? Like I don't know. Like, just it's it seems very like in my mind, there's so much more that could go wrong around like friends and family with an attack dog as opposed to like a well secured properly managed gun was it so free from the ammo? Like, why? Why even have that risk and danger, like this kind of thing of like, I have to say to going I have four of these in my home. And I'm like,

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why? What did she want to board those? Yes. What uh,

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she wants to board those and so I'm going going,

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okay, like you I can't

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even come into your house and you want to board the board

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and you want the board. And here's the other thing of like, she has an intact, dogo which means that male dog which means nobody is touching that with a 10 foot pole. Now, nobody and all aggression. Yeah, the problem is, is that some schmuck out there is going to go Oh yeah, I deal with aggressive production, blah, blah, blah, oh no my hand like that's gonna happen.

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All right leg.

Collin  15:09

Unfortunately, now she all of the because all of the like extremely like high end reputable borders, they're not going to take that on and people and so she's unfortunately going to be placed in a situation where she's going with less reputable people who are going to take on a very large amount of risk putting themselves other dogs in that dog into harm's way. It just I was really thinking about this as I was driving after I got off the phone with her just like,

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what does this person do? Like what? How do you like, what is the solution here? Because it's not boarding and it's not having somebody coming into their home? So like? Yeah, just don't go anywhere. Just don't go anywhere. That's your this is this a whole? This is a different conversation than when I was contacted by a gentleman who does agility training with German Shepherds. Like, he does the agility competitions and stuff with them. Oh, yeah. I was like, okay, like, that's, I'll take that on. Like, because the dogs are being bred for and trained for running fast and jumping out. I do not

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want you to run my dog now, like jog. He just needs to be flying.

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Like, okay, I could take care of those dogs, but like dogs that are being actively trained and honed for like home invasions.

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I don't I No,

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no, that's no, no, no, no.

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So it was funny. It was funny. As I was doing a topic, one of my new staff members shadowing me. And I said, I just have to take this phone call. I'll be right back. We hadn't started the visit yet. So I said, well, we'll just be there. I'll be there. About five minutes. I stepped to the side of a conference chair. I came back laughing. And she was like, What about what happened? And I explained to her, she goes, those things are out there. And I was like, yeah, yeah, unfortunately. And I said, this is why I take phone calls before we send people into homes. Because, you know, to get this to weed this kind of

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thing out. Yeah, because I

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like my employees to keep their fingers. Just the thing. I have some weird

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kind of weird. I know, I call the old fashioned, whatever. It's just like people lose limbs on the

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job. It's a whole thing.

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Oh my gosh. So I, yeah, I've I've had so many weird conversations. And then earlier this morning, I had a conversation with a gentleman who needed. He studied pet care over Thanksgiving. And I was like, Hey, I have availability over Thanksgiving. And I'm do pet care. Tada. Wow. And he was like, he was like, Okay, well, I have four dogs. And

Collin  18:06

I, my, he said my landlord has been an absolute jerk. And I'm actually I'm leaving over Thanksgiving to fly back home. And I'm also doing a job interview then. And my landlord has been a big big jerk. So I don't really care about the apartment. So I just need you to come over once a day.

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Color flag is that I see. Yes, yes. RINs in red, my gosh, with spotlights on it and streamers and sparklers. And I was like, you just want us to come over once a day for your four dogs is like Yeah, cuz I don't really care about the, for the rental home because my landlord's been absolute jerk. And I just, you know, just figure out leave them a mess for me before I leave. And I was like,

Collin  19:06

no, no, I'm not taking part of that. And I just I didn't just say no flat out, right. All I said was, well, we require a minimum of two visits a day. And honestly, with four dogs, we need to come over three times a day, while you're traveling for a week, a week after I mentioned a week, they wanted one visit a day. So I had to backtrack out of that one too.

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And I knew as soon as I sold my parameters and our price he was going to be like Oh, nevermind, bye bye. But so I didn't even have to tell him. No, I just said okay, well, here are our policies and here are procedures and here's the price. So if your answer is no, i Yes, I knew that. You would say that. But I just had to I don't understand it. I don't I don't

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get blurb bizarre. Yeah. Hi. Yah hoo

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hoo hoo could possibly foresee why he would think that his landowner was being a jerk to him. I wonder. I know. I wonder what could be the trigger here?

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Yeah, I was very, very much I was on the exact same wave like if like it, the landowners the property. This is the landlord's the problem. He's dad, was it

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that? Or was it the fact that you move forward dogs into his apartment without signing a pet rental agreement?

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Yeah. Or that you have four dogs in an apartment and you think one visit every 24 hours is okay. Yeah. Yeah, if I was the landlord and nice in that summer, a tenant moved in. Maybe he signed the agreement. And then he was the kind of pet owner who just left for two days and never checked his dogs. Yeah. Be Yeah. Be a bit anxious. Yeah. Be inxi angsty for sure. Absolutely. Yeah. Oh, so today's been a whirlwind. How exciting. Because I went to a networking event for businesses. And I was ripped up one side down the other because I didn't have a business card.

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Oh, yes. The favorite conversation of business cards, you're lame, and you're gonna throw it away anyway.

21:32

So he was he was first off. He's a he's a, he's a quote unquote, business coach. And I always am now trying to say a quote unquote, business coach, because listeners to listeners, everybody can call themselves a business coach. Anybody in the world, it doesn't matter if you've ever run a successful anything. That's true. You slap business coach on there. It's not impressive. Stop leading with I'm a business coach, because it is completely and totally worthless, and meaningless. And nobody cares about your stupid book. So

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yeah, you have to have zero credentials to title that yourself that you can just like, make up a thing and be like, I'm this.

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No, you don't actually have to do anything. I was talking to him. And he was trying to tell me how to run a pet sitting business. And I was laughing internally. And he said, well, here, i Here's my card. I'd love to talk with you about how you can raise your rates. And in my head. I was like, I'm the most expensive business in like, five hour radius from here. I don't need

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Yeah, I don't need

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whatever. And he goes, Do you have your business card? And I patted my pants, as I always do. And I said, Oh, I don't have a card on me. And he looked at the person next to him and was NSAID. That's the problem with business owners these days. They don't take this kind of thing seriously. And they don't prepare. That's why they fail.

23:04

See, we gotta start, you gotta stop play in like, coy like, Oh, darn, I, I do have some, but I don't forgot. You should have looked him square in his beady little rat eyes and said,

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business cards are for losers.

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Well, so what I did was I took a person standing next to me and would always throw away the business cards people give me and then I put his business card in my pocket and conversation done. And then he Well, he went on to talk to the person next to him not to me about the importance of details and how things get missed, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I turned and walked away because it wasn't important. And yeah, it's not. I have I have gone to tons of those meetings. Everybody gives up business cards. And I say no, I don't have business cards. Technically I do. But they're magnets. And I put them on my clients refrigerators. Business Card, because that was the other thing. He said, before I left I heard I asked for a card the other day, and this guy gave to him his name wasn't even on it. Can you believe that? And I'm like, Oh, great. I'm glad I didn't have one on me. Because first off again, they are magnets. And second off, my name is on it. So because what am I? Why would I just I don't see a need for them. I understand like business networking. Okay, you may want to swap contact information, but just I'm sorry, dude. Like, pull out your phone. And I'll give you my name. Internet exists.

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Like, like,

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you don't need a business card. I fully agree in this particular situation. I don't imagine a mat you Oh, you should then you should have pulled that is what a sixth grader would have said. Imagine having a business card in 2022. That's all they would have said they said that That's right, it looked at you, and then like turned around and left. That's what they would do, you could take that that's a free from a sixth grade perspective. That's what they would have said. It would have been hilarious.

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Yeah. Yeah, I,

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in some contacts, I can see where it would be beneficial. Especially when, especially when your business is business to business like that. I made maybe

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if some important was okay. So maybe because of you are going to contact like, Jim, in accounting from another business, because you need to do business with there, right? Like, yes, maybe I may be but like, also just here. Here's my phone. Here's my business. Here's my company website with my contact information. Firmly my employee page. Yes. Exactly. Like I don't

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this, this is the thing of like, Funky Bunch, like, just go go Google it like, yeah, like Google me like, art?

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Yeah. Yeah, that's why Yeah, I think you should just

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steal. Imagine having business cards into match and heavy business cards in 2020. So that was fine. It's pretty good. And I, I didn't, I did have that moment of like, 20 business cards. And then my rational brain kicked in and was like, no, no, no, don't. Don't need them at all.

26:38

Stop it. I mean, clearly. So like, here's what, here's what you should think like, like, yeah, who were you going to give a business card to, like, people call you like, cold already. So what

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good is, right, because you're offering a service to people. So like, what do you need one?

27:07

Right. Like there's no, there's no layers here. And honestly, there never will be like, I'm always gonna answer the phone for being very real about this. And yeah, they'll just call me like it's it's fine like def the number on the website. And then of course, I What did I do I in a very petty real sense, Googled him and didn't find anything, bashed everything but his his lack of online presence is

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nowhere to be found. To quote unquote, business coaches. i

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Oh, I know it. I know. It's bad. Whenever they say the words, you're on his website right now. Oh, no.

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Oh, no. Okay.

28:01

You can get your strategic sales coaching, your strategic referral coaching, or you can book him public speaking,

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how to get the respect,

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how to get how to get from prospect to closed sale, develop marketing strategies to generate more referrals. Use the ultimate referral system for professionals and guideposts for doubling the number of quality referrals

28:24

obtained. Those

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are sentences that don't mean anything

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they tell that's the same 10 Extra referral network and half the time

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doesn't mean anything. Like that's, that's a whole sentence that has like, no structure. I would like an English major to diagram that sentence and tell me how many super Fleur support extra words can't say the words I'm thinking of are in there that are not necessary or contributed meaning to sense whatsoever?

28:56

That's just just nonsense talk.

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superfluous? That's what I'm thinking of. Yeah, go I got it.

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Yeah, it's as that's much, much too much.

29:12

Oh, but but Brandon, this referral strategy? Is this what the referral strategies are the strategies used by producers who earn six and seven figure income takes the mystery out of referral process. Producers of what? I don't know, again, producers, what, what, in what context? I'm not.

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Are they farmers? Are

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they the farmers are producing,

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I guess, well, so in

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this context, I'm going is this is a producer trying to talk about like a high functioning sales associate of like they produce results.

Brandon  29:50

A music producer that has in my mind, in my mind, as a person who took economics class, a producer or is a person that makes things? Right? Also? Yeah, my biology foodweb brain is telling me producers make stuff, right? Oh, whereas consumers consume things. So a producer is like a plant. Right? Yes. This is this is biology, ecology 101. Here, producers make energy. Right? And then consumers eat it. So I don't have there are no other words in the sentences to give me any context whatsoever

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about what you mean, when you say producer, if you think that means something very specific and important,

30:50

however, to a person like me, who, in which the word producer means like, 12 different things. Oh my gosh.

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So this person, I just so this is the I mean, okay, so let's be very real. This is stuff I do all day. I look at websites and I read things and I critique them and I look at copy and I try and make sure ours doesn't look like this. This is the person this is the person trying to sell a $200 book with no recordings, audio recordings with a manual and sales tools. $200 for this, this is the first sentence underneath us. Each person's mind goes thought a certain sequence when they make a buying

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decision. You're joking, nope.

31:38

Goes thought a certain sequence when they make a buying decision. The key is to know how to follow the process to make the sales process flow if you're serious about learning how to become skilled at selling this system is for you. This the system I used to become a top producer for one of the franchises I

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owned this the system alright.

31:58

Producer, what are you producing? What are you doing Are you produces? No, he produces results. And then here's the LI if you're going to be a producer, you have to be manufacturing something growing a food crop or be a plant producing, or photosynthesis or own a franchise. Then he closed us I want to producer is here he's gonna round us. It's not round us out here. He says I was competing with about 800 Different franchisees in all the large cities. One year, I was in the top 10 Out of the 800 franchises when it came to sales. The strategies, skills and techniques are what you'll discover in this process. Very important to hear. When it came to sales doesn't mean he was a good business owner or operator or employee. Happiness actually made money. Yeah.

32:58

That's also if you're here, Sally again, if you're selling themes, you're not a producer. Yeah, that's not his word. Yet British means

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you're making something. Yeah. But it was not Do you have to make something so this is a terrible word. Also, I know that you should never say was working with about and then I'm proud to commit it. This is what my my wife this is what she has yelled at me out every time I put in I write things I write like this sometimes. Yeah. And she was a realtor. She says like this is not strong language. Get it out. Not a last lap.

33:41

So it is not strong language. It is poorly edited because there are just straight away missing and misspelled

33:46

Well,

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it's not edited, right this is the problem. This is the problem with the Internet. Like people think I can print whatever I want and then they forego editing

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and then you get this is the right you get this is Oh and here's his here's his here's his ridiculous saying it was on his business card. Oh no. Not a slogan. He has a serviceable slogan. It's a personal it's very Oh, and it's so it's so inspirational. Are you ready to be inspired?

34:22

Yes, but that reminds me I have a new slogan sign in my classroom that I need to share. Okay, okay. Is it is probably not as good as this. I don't know. It's pretty great. And it's probably by Mr. Shannon. Okay. Oh,

34:36

well, fine. Okay. That immediately wins because this one is ready.

34:40

Yes. Eagles soar. Turkeys get eaten.

34:46

Only because it's illegal to hunt. Eagles right. It was illegal to hunt turkeys. Turkeys

34:53

would not get eaten. Thanks, Thomas Jefferson.

34:58

I'm saying for a while it was illegal to hunt. turkeys in Missouri because

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they were endangered there was like 12 Exactly. 12 and now

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there's like 7 billion so look at their big. Ah, ya know, my classroom. It made me and it says, Be winter not a whiner

35:16

Yes. So much better. So much better.

35:23

Not. Absolutely, absolutely. That's

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bad. That's horrible. So, like our superintendent would say, like walk walk out of the meeting, like, ya know, yeah, get out

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with a big smile on his face. Just like super proud of like I said something that was like Boo. Like, yeah,

35:43

like I was cluttered.

35:44

Like, no, no, you were Yeah, that was awful.

35:55

I need to read some like Carl Sagan quotes after this to really get my IQ back up. A little bit higher. That's what I need my life right now. Last bolster.

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Just Oh, it hurts are so bad. Yeah, that is really terrible.

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So it was just like, he was talking about his mastermind group and blah, blah,

36:18

blah. Just look at him and be like, imagine not knowing what a producer is. And then give him like a weird side. I look like like, Oh,

36:34

I just Oh, I'm just I'm just scrolling. Oh, okay. It's such a terrible website. Oh my gosh, okay. Anyway, I'm getting off this,

36:41

man. So, for a much

36:45

better website, listeners, visit the O brothers website where you can find all archived conversations and episodes

36:53

with show notes. With show notes with way more more links than you'll ever really need. And if you ever live your life, yeah. I mean, let's just go through trash to your daily beans. What kind of coffee? Oh, there's there's the there's an almanac link for using persimmon seeds to predict your weather. There's also an article here about why peppermint is the unofficial Christmas flavor. Which is such such a good that's a good in depth article.

37:22

Also. side comment, Brahms has seasonal ice creams and they definitely just have a straight up peppermint ice cream. Oh, it's actually good. I had it today because I was curious. I needed to know what that was just peppermint.

37:36

Yeah, it's just peppermint. Oh, good.

37:39

Wild. Okay.

37:40

It's good though. It's like just it's like buying like vanilla ice cream

37:44

with peppermint in it. It was good.

37:48

I enjoyed it a lot. Right. Anyway.

37:51

I know Brahms. Peppermint. Yeah, they go. So

37:57

when you're trying to decide your third favorite ice cream, take into account seasonal holiday ice cream. Importance.

38:07

Okay, so maybe we may have to rank the best ice cream holidays.

38:12

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38:14

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38:22

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38:27

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38:29

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38:35

And look shownotes will include a link to.

38:57

As the brain is, yes, fun fact. Now, on to other fun things. I need to ask you a question. All right. This was conversation all the way to work this morning with Susan. I don't Oh, I do. Remember I saw a truck on the side of the road. And I was basically going, Why is there a truck on the side of the road? What's happening? In my mind. I was doing this and then I saw that it was a MODOK truck.

39:22

And I was like, Ah, okay, that makes sense. But then I thought, wait a minute. Does the Missouri Department of Transportation have the best shorthand new name because other states can't call there's no dots. Right. So, and I was thinking about a lot of the other states and they're much worse. Not as great rolls off the tongue, huh? Right, Minnesota. New

39:56

dots like what an WD

40:02

Well, yeah, because then you know California cut dot flooded the one okay. Maybe Hawaii like why not is Hyda Texas TxDOT it's not as bad it's not as good because it does it's not as flowy but text true text that's how they say it they say text dot

40:25

y, Illinois would be okay l.is no.no like West Virginia dot

40:35

right we did

40:36

mo.is It's much more whole I think is what it doesn't sound like an acronym really? It's just a word. Yeah. Yeah.

40:48

And so yeah, it's other state abbreviations to have vowels are less jarring, right? Because that makes the word pattern makes sense. Right? Because you have like consonant vowel, consonant, vowel consonant, right? But the ones that are like two consonants it's it's three consonants in a row vowel consonant again, and it's just now not working

41:16

right like except for maybe like Alabama I

41:19

guess l.to call that right maybe all right. But like Mississippi like

41:25

goons dot that doesn't

41:26

work unless they just say like, EMS dot i But that's, that's more clunky. Maybe I don't know. But

41:38

this was just a thought I had. Oh, on this morning.

41:41

Is it too far superior named and then a lot of other Kansas like what do they call there's not that doesn't work. I firmly

41:54

agree. mo.is is definitely far superior to

41:59

others. We have one thing look at that. Boom. Oh, was there any Oh, has anything? Look at that?

42:05

We've got lots of things.

42:09

Lots of bigs, but we have

42:11

no, it's perfectly fine. I have been seeing more and more of the assisting trucks around Springfield around town. The ones that they're not police. They're like the helper trucks. Have you seen these?

42:36

No, no, I'm here in rural Missouri. We

42:39

have the white trucks. Yeah, like pickup trucks.

42:42

Yeah, yeah. The white pickup trucks. Yeah. I've been seeing more on the side of the road this morning. Oh, hey, there you go. Yeah. Where it's not the police, but it's the like, hey, stranded car. Do you need a gallon of gas? I have that for you.

42:58

They do? Yeah, yeah. They'll

42:59

drive around, at least the ones that I've seen and they usually have, like, did this one have like a lights or a sign on the back?

43:06

And headlights? Which is why I was looking at it funny. I was like, what is that? Yeah,

43:10

so they're like these little helper vehicles. And they were all over the place in Dallas. Like they were. They were so many of these things. And it was because cops were getting called to do like, hey, there's a car here. They stole the rent. I guess they need the gas they need a tire change then your tow truck called they need both.

43:29

Yeah, well and if we know that there's one thing that the Springfield Police Department will not do is help you in any meaningful way and all ever that's what

43:41

they really take serve and protect heavily on the Protect thing and really think that

43:47

yeah, this is not a new phenomenon either. Right? least least we think that this these comments are made in light of current world events, right? No, no. This has a long history in Springfield proud history. History of them being like, Nope.

44:08

Well, anyway, yeah. So these these trucks are meant to take some of that burden off so that the police I was I wouldn't have to worry about it. That's yeah,

44:18

I once broke my car broke down at the intersection of national and Battlefield. It's good place. Okay. Yeah. Just a light traffic area. Very sweet. Um, and I was sitting there at the stoplight pondering what on earth I was going to do here. And a policeman came up and was like, What are you doing? And I was like, Well, my car just stopped working. And he goes, alright, you better get it moved and then drove off. I was like push me with, like we do something. He can't do that. He's hitting move quick and then left. And that sucks. That's cool. How handy.

45:05

And what he did is he started a timer so he could come back and check to see if he could give you a ticket.

Brandon  45:10

Ticket for Yeah, like, dude, I'm just like completely. This would have been like 2003 or four. All right, so this is not like recent history. It's just like, like better move it like and left like,

45:27

Thanks, man.

45:28

I'm really glad that you could offer me any assistance and serve me in any way possible.

45:38

Yeah, yeah, they're not a big fans. That.

45:45

Cool that. Murdoch's doing that. That's interesting.

45:48

Yeah, it's nice. And um, yeah, I'm

Collin  45:51

trying to think of what these what they're actually called it they're just like emergency response trucks or whatever. And they are, whatever. And yeah, they they're kind of coming around to help with that. And I think that's nice. Because also they'll they have flashing lights to divert traffic around things or, yeah, you know, check on people and instead of having the police officers have to do that, so I've been seeing a lot more of those, which is very good. I think that's a

46:22

handy asset. The Springfield Police Department can just like,

46:25

polish their tank. And like, yeah, that's what they'll do. There's nothing that would be handy. Good job. ODOT.

46:36

With your with your tiny, tiny budget, where you can't actually like,

46:42

I don't know how they can't even afford salt. Yeah. And yet, here we are. Doing a thing.

46:55

Boy, yeah.

46:59

What's, what's new in your world?

47:02

Oh, I'm not a lot really

47:05

needed some last minute change of lesson plans today on the fly. On the way to school.

47:11

I was like, Wait, this idea sounds better.

Brandon  47:16

Yeah, I mean, it's fine. We did get some Switcheroos today. Because so we're gonna do our next little unit is to talk about like, we're talking about Mesopotamia everyone's favorite, right? longtime listeners of this show. No

47:31

big fan of everyone knows. Yeah.

47:35

But it's the part where we're talking about like, the laws and stuff when we're talking about you, boy Hammurabi and all that stuff, right. Hammurabi code

47:42

and the result, you know,

47:45

so too, but some of our questions and some of our discussion in some of our like standards are about like, comparing it to modern day things. Right? So we're gonna talk about the laws and like, how they were enforced, and compared to like, modern day justice system, right. And so if you just say that to a 12 year old, like, cold with no context, they'll read the thing about the Mesopotamian deal, and then they'll be like,

48:19

I don't I don't know how to answer this. Because, I mean, I've seen lawn order, but I don't

48:25

know how the US justice system works. Right. I don't understand how the court works, which is fair. It's okay. It's fine. Yeah, yeah. And so like, I mean, sometimes they were like you I watched it with that

48:36

Johnny Depp ever heard trials like that? Yeah. 100%. So

48:44

we had a mock trial in the classroom. Oh, wow. Yeah, we went full blown. Crazy. amounts of stuff online, just print off like, Oh, here's like, it was like, a low key thing was like, uh, this kid was accused of throwing rocks or something. And like I had, we just sort of walked through the parts, like, here's the judge, this is his job, blah, blah. Here's the attorneys there. You know, the prosecutor does this, the defense attorney does this. Here's the jury. They're gonna, this is what their job is. And then I had witnesses. And they will like, read a little script. Like, here's what I saw. Here's the facts of the case, blah, blah. And then I made the

49:21

jurors like, vote, and see. And then they

49:24

got to pick whether or not the guy was guilty or innocent. So I was very good. But we did all that today. So I was like, Ah, all right. I told the kids do it. I was like, Alright, I decided this morning to change my plans. So know that this may be a little rough, but I think it will be more fun. We're going to do so.

49:44

This may be painful, but it's all for you now to deal with this.

49:47

Yeah, it'd be good. That'd be fine. So that was fun today, that was kind of hilarious.

49:53

Oh, that's nice. I want to see tomorrow if it works. If they can answer the question. Good luck to them. That's why we're doing this, because we're going to learn about how they used to do things. So we have to be able to compare it to how things work. Now, so today we're learning about how it works now.

50:11

So that is, that's important, that's really helpful. I learned, I learned really well with that kind of thing I'm thinking back to when I would take some, like, advanced ecology or physiology courses, like learning, a lot of time, it was easier to learn a system, like in a broken state before you go back to learn something different or learning something. So you can compare it to that comparison process really helps a lot of the understanding not it's not just for those questions on the test of like, explain the three differences between these, like, there's that, but then there's just the, you can pin it back to something in your brain, and you can anchor it to like, I know that, okay, now I can pull out the differences, and it really does help cement it a lot better in your brain.

51:02

Yeah,

51:03

that's kinda what I was thinking, like, we need to give them something to compare it to.

51:07

This will help more than, like,

51:10

watching some video or like, right, whatever, like, if we do this and kind of like act it out, and they can be silly with it, I don't really care, like, that's fine. You know?

51:22

They can do whatever. And so, you know,

51:26

we'll do that. And then hopefully, that will help them kind of think about it a little bit. You know, plus, then maybe in seventh or eighth grade, when they have to learn about like, government stuff. They might be like, oh, yeah, I remember something about this, like, you know, so who knows? What

51:42

did I tell you, I got called in for jury duty? Oh, no, we discussed this. Okay, my massive panic attack that I had because of it. Because I was in the middle of that's on brand. Yeah. Right. Hey, look, this I'm consistent. I was, this is in the middle of the meltdown of like losing a bunch of staff members. And I was doing all of these visits, I didn't have a budget to cover anything. And then I get called in for jury duty, and who's gonna cover my stuff. So it's like, beg and plead people to come and do things. And I went up there. And I've talked about this before of how certain systems in society and culture, just assume everybody knows about them of like, well, that phrase will obviously I talked about this in the context of checking into a hospital when I had to go to the process of like, Oh, yeah. blood lab lab. And they were like, well, obviously, you sit here. And obviously, you will look at the tiny screen monitor up on the wall for your number. And guess what system is even worse than all of this. The court system

52:57

surprised by the,

52:59

like, things like things like they have they had an advance to the city to the extent of needing of sending out text messages and email notifications, however, is the text message and email notification filled with the same information for the mailing slip that they send to your home.

53:17

Yes, no, oh, no. Oh, I

53:21

mean, not being present to receive mail only got the text notification that said, your spot report for jury duty X date at x time at the courthouse. And I was like, great. So you know, I went home first. And there was mail there. And there were so much more detailed information for things that I need to go over, like, including, I had to bring the mailer to me to hand in something that wasn't that I wasn't planning on doing, you have to take in the mailed thing that they give to you and turn that in, when you arrive to check in for jury selection. If I had just showed up and been like, you know, I got a text, they would have gone. Hey, where's your thing? And then I would have gone home? And then they would have probably jailed me for trying to get out of the dirt. Yeah, exactly. Right. And we all showed up, and we sat down, and we I'm freaking out because it's in the morning, and I just want to leave and as everybody does, and there's like 50 people filling the courtroom going to be selected for this jury. And it's like, delayed, and they're not telling us anything and there's no like, what this process is going to look like nobody's told me anything like I don't even know. I still to this day don't know how that process looks like like to they call you up one by one. Do they ask questions and if you raise your hand they kick you out? Like

54:52

yeah, they do. They do jury interviews, right, like, decide on things right. So it's a it's a combination of like Yeah, just like interviews with, like, the attorneys will interview you. Yeah, I'd say like, they'll ask you questions about like, first of all, like, Do you know the defendant? Like, be like, yes, like pick up by.

55:12

But like, like, you would think, like, in my mind, like, you're asking people to show up for a process. It would be nice to have some of that information. And of course, this is just my brain because I overthink stuff. I'm sure many people are just like, well, we adventure. But I'm more like, okay, but what's step two? What's step three? What are we doing here? How's this gonna work? Anyway, to cut the story that wasn't it's not very interesting short. They the guy who was there to be charged, what ended up changing his plea to guilty because it went to jury selection. And he, you know, realized, Oh, actually, this is not going to go well for me. And

Collin  55:52

yes, and then they said they came out. And the one thing that they did explain was, well, you're not needed today. However, you are still part of the jury selection pool. For this. What does he say? This is like a term of service term, right? Yes. Term? Yes. For this term. And the term ends in December. And so you will get called again.

56:20

You could get called again, no, no, no,

56:23

they said, you will get called again. And as I was leaving, I heard a clerk say, I just feel really bad for all the jurors as per this term, because it's just going to be really insane. Confusing?

56:39

Well, because they have so many things on the docket, or whatever the case is going through trying to get him in by the end of the year. And I'm like, Oh, my gosh, like, ah,

56:49

but there's like a term. So yes. I mean, normally, if you've been called and been selected and come down three in like, Yo, be like, I mean, even if you came down today that your go to the end of the line of

57:04

people, right, like

57:05

should I guess good theory, we know that the system doesn't work? Well. So yes, perhaps it won't. But in theory, it ought to revert

57:17

back to the end, and to be something different. So but who knows?

57:21

So that was, that was fun. I was excited about that. So one, is I sat there for two hours, waiting for something to happen. Nothing dead until the very end.

57:35

When you just left, and I left, that's get released. Right? That's really good. Yeah. Yeah. And they were like, you can go and get your check for X number of dollars, whatever, for showing up today.

57:46

Every two hours. So

57:47

you had two hours? Yeah. It was like, I was like, I am going home. Because then they were like, that was the most procedural part, of course, of course, was the like explaining the money part. And like, please make sure that you do catch these within 30 days because the assessor's office of the county will you know, basically, like, hunt you down, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, Well,

58:17

I'm leaving I need to go home.

58:20

I know what I'm doing in my home swing by the bank on the way home so county clerk doesn't come to my house. And

58:27

right yeah, you know, they will.

58:29

That'll be my legacy. Oh my gosh, I just sent you another

58:33

text that doesn't

58:35

show up here. Yeah, we definitely like like a drop like date time. Check for your tail like it was just like, oh my gosh, there was nothing there was no hyperlink to more information. It was jets like all caps. location

59:01

and type. Oh, my goodness. Like, well,

59:08

Ibiza couldn't be on his jury or abducted we're gonna

59:14

she's get grief. Oh, man, no good at all. There's no,

59:23

it's not. It's not good.

59:32

Yes, I've learned like working with the 12 year olds that it's very important to just like, say all the steps of things that are going to happen, because if you don't, chaos will ensue. And it just go sideways in a hurry. So maybe you need some lessons to get to

59:53

know more 12 year olds they'll learn real quick. Yeah. I know.

59:59

It doesn't take much time to like, Hey guys, while we sit here and wait, like, here's how this process typically works. Many of you, because they like, as we were coming in, the lady said, Have you been selected for your area before? Or like, Have you been through this process before? And nobody said yes. Like, everybody in that room was brand new. So why not have a little tutorial, little peek behind the curtain and open the kimono a bit? And let us see how it works on the inside?

Collin  1:00:29

Like, just why why not? Why not do that. And I know they're not that, you know, they're not there for education and that kind of thing, like there to get the bad guy. But you could be really good part of community involvement, and and partners to help that be be much more of a partnership.

1:00:51

Instead of just show up sitting on a cold bench and wait for two hours. And they will tell you this is nice. It's a very Thank you. Yeah, I definitely feel like I've served my my community.

1:01:06

Yeah. So yeah.

1:01:10

That's unfortunate, because that's those annoying, like, you just can't assume people know things.

1:01:14

I've learned, like people don't know anything. You have to, like,

1:01:19

tell them if they do know, they're like, Oh, thank you for reminding me because I didn't remember or you know what I mean? Like, it's just

1:01:25

never bad to hear it again. Right? That's a problem that

1:01:30

happens a lot at school, right? Because they talk about things like oh, yeah, well, we've we've covered this, so everybody knows how to do it.

1:01:38

But then you realize the last time we talked about it was two years ago. And there's like, you know,

1:01:45

definitely two handfuls of like brand new employees have never heard it before. So they're like, What, what's happening? What are you guys talking about? What's going on? So people aren't on the same page? It's a cool thing. No good, right. Like, it's more

1:02:02

people have slept since then. There are nuances that have changed, or the first time you told somebody, they were distracted. They didn't actually hear you. And as an educator, I know that you know, that most people learn the very first time you tell them anytime, right? It's hilarious part. In fact,

1:02:22

what's hilarious about working in education is like everybody knows

Brandon  1:02:25

that's true. Right? Everybody knows that, like, they know in their daily life in the classroom that you can't tell people just once a thing. Yeah, you know that. Right? Even though like, you know, some

1:02:42

people will like back in my day, all I was just told one time. Sure.

1:02:46

Okay, whatever. But like,

1:02:49

everybody knows this. And yet, that's how everybody operates when they talk to people.

1:02:56

All the time. It's the worst.

1:02:57

So annoying applies to everybody else, but them right, because there's obviously the so good. Yeah, because cuz obviously, well, yeah, cuz everyone thinks like, Well,

1:03:05

I heard it the first time.

1:03:07

Did you? Really? Mm hmm. Maybe no? Yeah, definitely not. Yes. So

1:03:18

I'm glad that you didn't have to be selected for like very protracted trial. That was like months of trial. Right? That would be yes.

1:03:29

Because the, again, they I mean that we were really moving in that direction. Because I did look out and I saw through the door, a gentleman being walked back to the back room where I knew all the the judge and the everybody else was, oh, yeah, he definitely was shackled. Hands and feet with a little chain going in between them. Yeah. Escorted by four guards through back there. And I don't know, again, I don't know what standard or not stairs because they don't say but it's like, it's foreign to the ever escort lift less than four. Is it? I mean, four seems like a lot. But indeed. So I was like, getting ready to like, Oh, okay. Like it's, this could be I don't know, I don't know how trials go. So. Never.

1:04:21

I won't find out for a while,

1:04:22

I guess. Yeah, that's true. So I'm glad your kids get to experience a trial trial.

1:04:27

It's good. Yeah, it was fun.

1:04:29

I hope they rug it and we'll see tomorrow if it didn't eat good or not.

1:04:33

Or so we'll see. But it was at least fun. Today, we get to break up the monotony slightly of doing things so yeah, that's pretty much it. Nothing else too new on the horizon. I think that's it. That's all I knew I have. Okay, well We'll see what happens next time then. Yes.

1:05:08

Good. Ready for more cold weather. It may seem off. It's gonna make snow soon. Yeah, hear me out there but no, no, it's

1:05:18

Yeah. We'll be crossed to hear that Kansas,

1:05:21

Kansas City had flurries earlier this week. They really got the

1:05:26

dead was like 78 degrees here today. That's what? Yeah, Friday it's gonna be like 39 So

1:05:35

there you go, ya know, check out next. Next Monday and Tuesday. We were supposed to get like, we're supposed to get some precipitation. Yeah, we're supposed to get rain on Monday. Yeah. And they said there was possibility of it. Getting wild, cold. There is a chance of snow Monday into Tuesday next week.

1:06:04

Well, Susan will be very CrossTie here this

1:06:08

currently currently Weather Underground and reported by another one as well saying on Monday, and it says it says one inch of precipitation on Monday. Maybe there's a little there's a little snowflake next to it to

1:06:24

me. Well, alright. See how that goes.

1:06:27

Yeah, man. We really do fall off a cliff. Yeah 20s overnight for the next oh my gosh

1:06:38

yeah, that's because 78 November is ridiculous. Nobody needs that.

1:06:43

Like no, no, I mean, I have been driving around with all my windows down which has been glorious. But well

1:06:53

yeah, I mean, you could still in fine let some the snow in there.

1:06:57

Yeah, it can be again like Much like last week. Touch the weather. Just be you know, yeah. Can't open your own windows you too. We'll see how that goes. Yeah, until then. Love you. Love you. Bye bye.