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Collin is recovering from touched knobs. Brandon is sans cloud cover. Aaron is game planning. It’s Halloween season, so we take another stabby stab at Halloween films. Spoiler: We’re not that big of fans. Brandon found the transition into our continued series on Outlanders. We give the breakdown on chapters 6 and the longest chapter in the world…7.

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SPEAKERS

Collin, Aaron, Brandon


Collin  00:05

Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast three brothers. Trying to figure it all out with your host, Brandon Cullen and Aaron. On this week's show, sandwich eggs Hello Hello.


Brandon  00:28

Yeah, hello. How's it going? Oh, calling can't hear me.


Collin  00:37

Well, this is fun. I'm literally cannot here keep talking.


Brandon  00:46

Yes, I am still here.


Collin  00:48

Ah, it's you.


Brandon  00:50

It is I,


Collin  00:51

you are here. It's so wonderful. Okay. I have I have I have two of the most precious children in the whole world. Hi, kids. Sometimes. Sometimes they play in the office. And this does mean that


Brandon  01:10

from time to time, buttons get touched. Oh no. Knocking buttons.


Collin  01:16

Yeah, and Daddy has to reset.


01:20

Everything.


Collin  01:23

So we are we are we're doing well we're well,


Brandon  01:27

you know, good. Should probably take once every all the buttons are set and all the dials are turned. You ought probably take a picture of what they're supposed to be like. Oh, that like before you start you can just like reference be like, has a child touch the Y Yes. They have Oh, no.


Collin  01:45

Part of my part of my pre flight checklist. Yeah, for sure. Cuz especially the the the gain here. I don't like that little gain. Nabil do and I don't. Oh, yeah, it's weird. So


Brandon  01:57

definitely that one. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. jacada That's


Collin  02:02

because I didn't. I didn't get to it before I had to record the other another for the other podcast. And like, my levels were like, all over the place. And I was like, I haven't done in like 20 minutes. Like, rapid fire like dude, like Mike tech does, like distancing from the mic and changing position just to get approximately to like, sounding somewhat. Okay. The old dial was it was you know, was the adventure is so much.


02:34

Yeah. So, yeah, we're but we're good.


Collin  02:40

We're good to go. Ray. Oh, yeah. And recording back in the, the studio this time. So hopefully it sounds a lot better. Other than true weird, like, cavern that it was in less time.


Brandon  02:57

There's not intense low clouds. So maybe my internet might be better knock on wood. Hopefully, that's gonna be a thing. I think that was a problem last time. Like it was so densely cloudy last week, and we have like, wireless like internet or whatever. So I think yeah. No,


Collin  03:15

low cloud coverage. That's part of your pre flight pre pre flight checklist. That is to check the cloud cover.


Brandon  03:22

Yeah, but I can't do anything about it. It's like says,


03:26

Go going


Collin  03:28

to turn on your fan.


Brandon  03:30

Yeah, that's probably not how I don't think that's how that works. It's, you know, it's fine. It's true. So ah, but, okay. Erin, what are you? What are you? What are you up to? Oh, I


Aaron  03:52

just got done game planning. Had dinner, cleaned a little bit. We got a pretty big football game tomorrow. So just kind of getting getting settled up for that.


Brandon  04:04

And then next week,


Aaron  04:08

if we win next week, we'll be in the playoffs, which will be the first time in a while for my school. So kind of Kevin important. Next year games.


Brandon  04:17

Obviously all duty your assistant coaching abilities. So good. Yeah. Good job.


Aaron  04:23

That's how I'll take that.


Brandon  04:26

This is what we can conclude. They haven't been this good in a while. This is your first time there. Clearly it's here.


Aaron  04:36

Because of you. Here hearing some of the kids talk about some things a coach did last year. I was like, What have these guys ever coached before so it's these kids have never had like true coaching. So that's it's kind of nice to feel that. But I've spent some time cleaning up the baseball and softball field getting ready for that after basketball season.


05:00

Last week when to go anywhere Saturday when


Aaron  05:08

when was the Halloween? How the new Michael Myers


Brandon  05:13

movie The Halloween 75


Aaron  05:17

HALLOWEEN evil or something? Yes, Michael Myers is pretty dope. The rest of the cast is not assembled. It is a jumbled mess


Brandon  05:28

of like, like I get horror movie tropes but this like


Aaron  05:34

oh my gosh, we need to find him the evil must die tonight. I was going alone.


Collin  05:38

Why so? True?


Aaron  05:41

There was there was a lot of that. But Michael Myers was himself as a murderer it's been a while since I've actually seen one of his movies and just getting a chance to see like, how he did things like the way some people like died it's like oh, like it's not scary by any means. It's just my like that. That's a little bit more gruesome than anticipated. But I I want to go see dune movie,


06:09

which Yeah.


Aaron  06:11

Which we were going to go see Saturday, but we are going to go to OSU is homecoming Saturday. Because my friend who is the assistant coach at same school, we became friends. We teach and coach at the same school. His family are all big time coaches in like the Tulsa area. And so they have to hook up with some box suites at OSU, and they're like, oh, we can't go do you guys want them and he's and him and his wife are like, yes. Oh, let's invite Aaron Celli. So we are going to Oh, she was homecoming Saturday.


Brandon  06:49

Yeah, so of course Aaron's like oh, no, well Oh, yeah, whatever.


Aaron  06:56

And set the box weights with and all you can eat buffet. And yeah, I haven't been to or like to any like a legit OSU homecoming in a long time. Because last several when I was there, I had to work. Oh, yes. Right. Yeah, being a bartender and or cheese fry runner at Eskimo Joe's? Shout out. And so I was like, you know, I haven't been to like, an LSU game since I left person since I was in school. And I just never went back to game so this will be perfect. So that's what we'll be doing Saturday. And when you don't you texted me texted yesterday. It's like, oh, well, Saturday work now. Okay, not. No, no, no. Not missing box weights.


Brandon  07:38

yelling at people wearing orange. Rah rah rah. Oh, that's nice. Saturday. Yeah,


Aaron  07:49

it's been. It's been a very easy week. School wise because we had a test. But then like, half my kids were not half like a good chunk of them had to be like quarantined, and so I was like, Well, I got a grade these guys just want to watch movies until I get done graded. So we watched Halloween themed films and then tomorrow we're going to do like a Halloween themed lesson talking about like cryptids and cryptozoology and folklore and since I am doing US History and Geography so can


Brandon  08:18

I go perfect? Yeah, so he Oklahoma.


Aaron  08:23

Hey, we have the the Lake


Brandon  08:25

Tenkiller octopus. And excuse me, your WHY DON'T


Collin  08:29

now we've done is we've done a podcast episode about cryptozoology.


Brandon  08:35

I believe it was one year ago. last Halloween


Collin  08:43

first time I'm hearing about an octopus. Killer. You have a killer octopus.


Aaron  08:47

No no no no no no no.


Brandon  08:49

This is new. New information has come


Collin  08:52

to light. Come to light man.


08:56

So it's


Aaron  08:57

so it's it's the Oklahoma octopus and in several lakes in Oklahoma, which are all manmade by the way. Um, and particularly there's a lake out lake just in Lake Tenkiller. That is the name like man killer. In killer is sorry, is


Collin  09:18

it tn or 1010 T and killer?


Brandon  09:22

That's so catchy. We


09:24

get


Brandon  09:25

we needed. I wanted to why it's called Tim killer. What's happened here


Aaron  09:31

is my class is my class. I'm sorry, you're being really rude in my class, the principal will see. So like 10 killer. There is a reported sightings of octopus and people emerging from the water with tentacle like suction rings on their legs indicating that there is some sort of octopus or occupy critter in the


09:57

cabin.


Aaron  09:59

Boy In some of these aquatic regions in Oklahoma it's kind of like the thing where


10:06

there was like


Aaron  10:10

Purana in like the Ozark


Brandon  10:13

remember that? Yeah.


Aaron  10:14

Yeah. So that's kind of one of those things where it's like, like, as it's possible, but they're salt water. So yes, in an EN lake somewhere the most northern no loan known as Lake 10 killer. There is an octopus creature cryptid wiki hold on here.


Brandon  10:38

Yeah, here we go. Yeah. Taylor Arctic was I was I was very distracted by Why is it called Lake Tenkiller. Okay, what has happened here?


Collin  10:46

No, I have not no the the 10 Keller family it was prominent Cherokees who own the land and ferry that were bought for the project. Okay, named after them because they gave a spot they had to land there


Aaron  11:01

at the ferry. Oh, so there so it's Lake Thunderbird, Oologah Lake, which actually right down the road from where I live, and then Lake Tenkiller where it attacks and kills unsuspecting swimmers. There is no, there is no existing footage of it. Evidence. Yes. explanations, habitat description, diet controversy. And talk to the media though. Yes,


Brandon  11:25

there is an eight legged armed, armed Idid critter in Yes.


Aaron  11:33

So I'm going to talk about the kids talk to some of the kids about stuff like that. And kind of understanding the difference like of history of like folklore, and how it's like kind of in mainstream, mostly just kind of like a little fun lesson. Because some of these kids have never heard of anything like this. So that's what I plan on doing and then Friday football game, and then boom, Homecoming, and then sale on Sunday, and possibly knowing if it's alternating.


Brandon  11:59

Interesting, so I am I am, apparently Okay, never mind reading about something else. So yeah, I don't know. I don't think I'm skeptical of octopus. cephalopods in freshwater. Perhaps. lamprey. Yeah.


Collin  12:26

Those can be freshwater. You could do the freshwater lamprey.


Brandon  12:29

Yeah. And they have. They have like three looks like they're like weird eels that have round circular disc suckers. Yeah. So yeah, they would leave a similar wound on that, but they're also extra creepy. And slimy. Gross. So not less terrifying. Really?


12:55

Yeah.


Aaron  12:56

Excellent.


Collin  12:57

There are there are freshwater lamprey i Yes. But they're in the they're in the Great Lakes.


Brandon  13:03

There's only Yeah, they're like, yeah, great lakes. And then like the northeast, I think right? Yeah. But maybe they've gone through some in LA. And Oklahoma happened before.


Collin  13:17

It's happened all the time. As is true.


Brandon  13:21

All the time. That's why there's no time. It's one of those snake heads in like Minnesota or whatever. Like Yeah, and like the DC area. Like oh, it's just snake heads. Fish everywhere. Eating everything. Well, literally, like a Missouri to actually come think of it. I believe there are snakeheads in Missouri. Yes, true. True. There you go. Yeah, not definitely not native


13:54

back up


Brandon  13:54

slightly, just because it is topical for the spooky season. But I would like to agree with Aaron that like back to the Halloween conversation, right. Like, I have not seen a Halloween movie in like, a long time. I've seen the first like, poll, and then I got bored. Not really a slasher movie enthusiast. You know, I feel like as far as like scary movies, they're the worst in my opinion. Right? Because just like this guy gets stabbed doing okay. I think there's some other I know I've seen more interesting ones. I just never was a big fan of like the slasher, he kind of genre. Just a general. I don't know. Collin, do you have opinions on slasher movies? Yeah,


Collin  14:57

I I too. Have Have not seen Halloween like a true Halloween film in a very long time. Maybe that should be a challenge for us. Watch all the mike Meyer Halloween films back to like 20 I think how much content will now we'd like? We'd be like, well, anyway. No, I I'm not a big fan of the slasher either because a like the jumpscares does. That's to me, like a slasher film is based almost purely on jumpscares. And it just loses it after a while because it's so not real. And I get really taken out of the film very easily in those slasher kind of films. Because I don't know, it's like, I'm like, Okay, if you really wanted to, like, freak me out, like, I'll go watch. A real murder mystery or something. Because everything that happens, like Aaron said, of like, oh, no murder on the loose, I'll go check that out all by myself. It's like, no, hey, you would do that. And be nobody murders people in this way. So it's just completely ridiculous. And I'm not scared, and I get bored. So I move on to other things.


Brandon  16:13

Yeah, that's fair. I feel the same way. I just never. I mean, there's some lighter kind of I don't know, like for. I don't know, I feel like, also, it's a genre, in my opinion, that has been really overdone. And there are like, obviously, a couple movies that stand out is like, pretty good. But they're kind of like the pioneering ones. Right, like the first Halloween, you know, like the first Friday the 13th. You know, yeah, those were these are pretty cool. They stand up pretty well, I would say. Even now, you know, these are movies from maybe the 80s. Right? But like, or maybe even earlier, I think in late 70s 80s. Right. But but it's it's it's a thing where it's like the some of the early ones, I think are pretty good. They're kind of interesting. There because they're new, they're kind of groundbreaking in a way. And then a lot of other ones just go, oh, we can do that too. And then they just sort of try to like, like Aaron said, like ramp up the murdering in new and creative ways. And so the thrill comes from, like, the unexpected surprise of how somebody becomes killed, but not necessarily from


17:33

anything else.


Collin  17:36

Well, these things become they become tropes pretty easily, because they Yeah, formulaically, you're like, Oh, this isn't that hard. They're scary, mysterious person running around stabbing people, but like, actually to be done really well. Yeah. And there are definitely


Brandon  17:54

movies that do do it well. And then there are other movies that do it badly, like all tropes, right? And it's, I can definitely see where a person would enjoy it. Right. I'm not saying that nobody should enjoy this. Right. I want that be clear, because I feel like I sound like that sometimes. Right? Like, but I feel like, I get why people would do it. It's just not for me, you know? Yeah. You have any other thoughts?


18:20

I mean, like,


Aaron  18:20

I get why people are into it. You know, somebody oh, what's his name? movie director, Rob Zombie. Um, that kind of like mixture of like, horror, but like, really weird. I know. There's like a big, like, not market but like a cult following for stuff like that. Um, these last few movies, especially with the Michael Meyer series, it just kind of it felt like it's been running on fumes of where it's like, oh, people still want to come see slasher films. It just comes out what we can. And that's kind of why there were so many Jason movies.


Brandon  18:58

That's true. They're also very cheap to make.


Collin  19:00

Yeah. Originally what like, like one of the first films that was shot like that.


19:09

Where it was really, really


Collin  19:12

cheap. I don't know it's one of those first ones that came out like that, or at least it was in that same time frame where you had several coming out. Yeah.


19:19

And so like


Aaron  19:20

a lot of films like that. Oh, you know, they're they're easy to make you can pump out a lot of them and people will go there always be some sort of market for it. I never liked anything like the scream series.


Brandon  19:34

Oh, yeah, I forgot like,


Aaron  19:35

things like that. Um, the only kind of movie that I watched but not like all of them was the Jason series, which is the Friday the 13th. Friday the 13th series. I maybe watched like the second and third one at best, but I kind of liked that, that vibe of, but they kind of was also copy and paste of like, oh, there's a big silent murdery person And then, you know, chase after you and oh, look, here's a big silent murder person chasing after you and oh, look, there's a big silent movie first chasing after you. Yeah, those movies kind of became man. I don't like, I'm not a big horror movie person. And paranormal activities came out. I didn't want to see it. The moment we watched the movie last year, the It's a horror movie called hereditary. Yo.


Brandon  20:29

That's that that was freaky.


Aaron  20:32

But again, I don't do well with horror movies, because I it's either a super


Brandon  20:36

predictable, or it's just like, oh, like, I


Aaron  20:41

can let my guard down and that my heart's racing. So I'm just not a big fan of those. The Halloween movies that we have, or the Halloween movie, singular that we've been watching in class is ParaNorman. That clay? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's actually really good. It's actually got a really good story to it. It's got a really good, like, bot, and it's got like a really interesting twist. And it's not like a typical, like horror movie. It's kind of plays off of that theme and everything. And so it just takes different twist and kind of has a happy ending. And so I like I like things like that, where it's like Halloween based, but it's not the normal like, hocus pocus. I love that even though that's more kids Halloween. As far as like slasher. I mean,


Brandon  21:35

it just,


Collin  21:36

it just doesn't do it for me. Yeah, Quick, Quick side note here. The original Halloween movie with Mike Myers came out in 1978. Ah, see, was written in two weeks. Shot for less than 20 days. It was done with $320,000 Well, there you go. And the modern one was, I think also written in like, a month, and then had a budget of only 20 million when most films are like 60 and up so still quite shockingly low budget.


Aaron  22:11

What was yeah, what was the series with Bruce Campbell? Evil Dead? Yeah, that was like shot with like, 20 bucks.


Brandon  22:19

Maybe I have to go got feels like it. Now that's gonna get some hate but because I feel like they're gonna be but like,


Aaron  22:25

curious. Okay. Um, I do remember. I mean, I can't remember what year but when, like, The Blair Witch Project came out.


Brandon  22:34

Oh, man. That's a whole different animal.


Aaron  22:37

Yeah, that's like that. That was was a big game changer. And that freaked me out for the longest time. Um, mostly because, you know, growing up in with woods around us never really put me at ease. So, um, but yeah, that I felt like that was a fun


Brandon  22:54

one. So that movie is like, gets bonus points The Blair Witch Project? Maybe? Because that one that come about? 9899 2000. Somewhere in there. 99,000. Maybe? Yeah, I feel like, that might be right. That movie is weird. Because like, yeah, 99 was a 99. Okay, that's kind of what I felt like, I felt like that was right. There's a whole weird deal with that movie that it like, when it came out? If you weren't really, like, aware, right? It was kind of weird because it was marketed to you as like, a, like, legitimately. True story. Yeah. Right. Footage. Right. Yeah. So it was like, Oh, God, no, this is real. And so 1998 Like, we're talking like, the baby internet, you know, as I have, and, and so, like, the website, and all this stuff was like, No, it's just like, it was so ambiguous, like, on purpose that a lot of people were really questioning like, well is, is this actually real? And I know, that's like, the whole purpose of the found footage, genre, but they pulled it off to a level that's just like, astounding, right? And it's just kind of like the right place, right time kind of scenario. Because, you know, you couldn't do that like today, right? But with baby internet, you get like, you know, that was the whole deal. And it worked, man because people ate that up. And it was a huge, like, cultural thing for a little bit,


Collin  24:45

you know? Yeah, I mean, they really did everything they could to kind of merge the old and new ways. Like I very vividly remember the web presence that it had even kind of stumbling across things, even years. later and looking at it. And knowing that like, the marketing they did behind that with a, like the quality of photos that they would leave around, or even some members of the production crew went around to local college campuses and like posted missing person. Yeah, that yeah, we're in the film. Yeah. And so it just became this thing of like, there were so many little moving pieces that everybody heard or knew about something different, which, to me, made it all the more real, because that's how actual stories moved back then. Yeah, everybody got a little piece or had information, you kind of had to build it and put it together without seeing the whole thing. So it really did a lot in the psyche as far as just like the build up to it to make it worth something. That was a lot more than just


Brandon  25:50

the you know, the movie. Yes, I agree. So that that is just like a special like bonus of like, what on earth is accurate? Yeah, I remember was was being crazy. And I do remember like, I don't know, maybe because I was younger, and all that stuff sort of combined. Like I was legitimately, like, kind of freaked out by the movie when the first time I saw it. I don't know if it holds up. I don't know if it would still be like that. Especially now that you've know, like all the stuff but it's time. Yeah, it's got a whole different vibe to it. So that's a different one. It's kind of like a different brand of horror movie. You know, like I said, like, there are other like genres and stuff, but like the slasher one never really never hit off somebody other ones are okay. But I guess I don't know, this is not something that appeals to me. Because I know some people like that feeling of like being scared like it. It's like a rush or whatever, you know, and I just am not a person that does that. So I don't know it. They just never have clicked with me for that reason, I guess. However, on, on the note of, quote, unquote, scary movies that I find just the best, and they're the greatest thing of all time, are, like, quote, scary horror movies from like, the late 50s, early 60s. Oh, man, these things are marvelous. And just for your viewing pleasure, there's like tons of them on YouTube, because they're all like, out of copyright or whatever. So they just, they just exist. Live. So you can watch like movies like The Brain eaters? Or crab people or whatever, or like, monster of PA dress blankets. That's a good one. Right? All these like really crazy, like monstery type movies from the late 50s. Early 60s? Yeah, there's some gems in there. Let me tell you what, they are pretty great. They're also a lot of them are like, an hour long.


Collin  28:13

Just, that's even better,


Brandon  28:16

right? Yeah, they're made by like these random small studios kind of like region and released like regionally as part of like, double features and drive in movies, you know? So there's like, a bunch that were just made in like, Texas, or like, the Midwest, or like, wherever, you know, and then they're just like, double feature drive in movies that nobody really cared about. You know, and there's so that that always definitely means that there's one good one and one like a one that was shown.


Collin  28:51

And there is an other one,


Brandon  28:54

there's another one. Which is, but they do still have the exciting trope of like, No, don't worry, I'll go it's a giant crab monster. Why would you do that? Well, I don't understand. Do you know


Collin  29:11

what you're doing? Because I'm going to bet you you don't?


Brandon  29:16

Yes, you don't have any idea. So I've seen some really great ones online. I watched them over the summer, just like randomly because I wasn't doing anything. There are some gems in there. There's also some ones that are like no, no. Like her Don't lady or whatever. That was not okay. I can't remember the name of the one there was one that was like in Texas, and there was like some sort of like giant like Oh, an oversized giant thing.


29:51

I remember what it was though.


Brandon  29:52

I want to say it again. I have to try to see if I can dig through and find out what that one was. And links Yeah, I'll try. I'll try to do that later. I'll do some research tomorrow this weekend and try to send you some links because I don't remember where I found all of these. But there's a couple of YouTube channels that just like, blast him up there. Because nice, you know, why not there? Yeah, there, you know, add a copyright and you can't watch exciting 50s horror movies. Again, it's like the monsters the ones that are hilarious like, oh, no, super secret giant, blank thing that lives in the woods. It's just like an actual healer monster. It was something about healer monster. Yeah, it was like a giant healer monster. Oh, and they did that thing where it was just like a real healer monster, but they just filmed it differently. Inspection. Yeah, the force perspective. And just


Collin  30:51

kind of like the original tin. The original Journey to the Center of the Earth do that.


Brandon  30:58

I think so. Are they


Aaron  30:59

were they took lizards and like, put, like they taped like, horns onto them.


31:07

Yeah, those ones? Yeah.


Brandon  31:09

Oh, it's really it's legitimately just called the giant healer monster. I just found it.


Collin  31:13

Well, that's even better. We


Brandon  31:14

go. Brilliant. Yes, hold on.


Collin  31:21

Oh, yeah, I mean, granted, like I'm looking at this right now. Okay, but we have to keep in mind I'm sending this I was texting this. This is from the This is a screenshot from the original. Oh, no. Oh, no. I can't send 1859


Brandon  31:38

I can't I said that. No,


Collin  31:40

no, no, no, this is not working. It's not because nobody no okay.


Brandon  31:45

Let me copy this. Yes. Where they see yours is just called the what was yours? The the giant healer monster. It's also has a subplot about like car dudes in it. Obviously. That's brilliant. Right like part it's great. Yes. Here's a picture of it, like destroying the barn. Oh, yeah. That's even better. I don't know what that one is using it for. That's great.


Collin  32:18

That is from the 1959 journey to the center of the earth. Ah, yes.


Brandon  32:26

Beautiful.


Aaron  32:28

So, yes.


Collin  32:33

For those listening, it is a forced perspective of a I don't like a red painted monitor lizard. That looks gigantic. And then people are sitting in a looks like a golden dish. I don't know, like a teacup. And it's coming over the side towards them and they're looking tiny and scared.


Brandon  32:57

Why they're in a teacup? That's


Collin  32:58

a little bit weird. I don't remember that part is to


Brandon  33:01

be found either. You know, anyway, often like that one. I was gonna send you a picture of this giant monster thing, but it didn't like the picture. I found it was like, No, you can't use that one. Come on, by being mean like that. But yeah, this one is like it's a giant healer monster. It's probably some sort of obviously. Radiation, right? Because it's all 50s movies or like radiation, but it's just like a healer monster. And it's like out in the woods. To do that classic thing where like, Oh, no. Have you seen so and so? Like nobody has seen them for many days. Oh. Then they go there we go. There there's a picture for you. Glorious black and white theme magic. Exactly. He'll a monster doom.


Collin  33:57

Next to literally toy cars.


33:59

Yes. It's great.


Brandon  34:03

Oh, eats a train at some point. I think that's pretty cool. Not eat it. But like destroy some kind of train. That's fun. Yeah, I love that.


Collin  34:14

He's the films people should be watching these days.


Brandon  34:17

I think they're hilarious. No, they're good. They're always so funny. I enjoyed them. Just because they are so like, silly. And I also wonder when I watch these movies, I wonder like at a drive in theater in 1959. Was anybody like legitimately scared to watch this? That's what I want to know. For some of them. Right if you were watching them, monster of piedras Bloggess. Right. And you saw this like weird fish man thing. What was it scary? I don't know the answer to this question. I don't know. I it's, it's, I don't know, it's interesting to me, because like, I want to know if people actually were feared by this kind of stuff, or if it was just like, yeah, yeah, you know, whatever. Like. I find it interesting. Because it's some of it, you kind of look at and you go, there's no way people could actually be afraid of this. But then you got to remember, it's 1959. It's very different. Right?


Collin  35:37

Yeah, I know. But in exactly in going because I go, Well, surely they know that just just like, that's just like a monitor lizard. Right? Like everyone, you can see that right. But I don't know how many people were exposed to what a what a monitor lizard or a healer monster looked like so maybe see the big one. Like, again, like, I don't know, like, I have my exposures. Because I too have a hard time looking at that. And just seeing anything other than,


Brandon  36:03

obviously, that's a lizard. So like,


Collin  36:06

right, like, it's like everyone. Yeah, but at the same time going. I like the 1950s a very different time. A lot of things going on in the world. Like, it's sure, maybe they maybe it was mostly just impressed that that was happening at all. I don't know.


Brandon  36:23

Maybe right. Like, ooh, this is so crazy, that they're actually you know, how do they get that giant heel monster to stand behind that guy? Could be some of that an element of that as well. But I I definitely find it interesting. Like, if I wonder what it was like to see that kind of stuff for like, the first time. You know, like, what was it like when you saw that movie? You know? Cuz like scary things have been around forever. Like that's the that's a movie thing that clearly people like it. Right? Clearly, there's a huge market for it because it's been around since like Silent films like like launchy did those like scary silent movie things? Right? Like The Wolf Man or whatever, you know. And there's been an evolution of like, scary movies throughout the history of cinema. You know, with a classic like MGM like monster movies like the Bela Lugosi, like Dracula, or like, the Frankenstein movies with the Boris Karloff ones, you know? Yeah, like hugely popular movies. And so and then, you know, weird monster movies like The giant healer monster. Clearly, there's a market for this, clearly, there's something about it, that people enjoy. Otherwise, you wouldn't have been making it since the history of movies. Like the Nosferatu that's like, one of the first movies ever made. It's a crazy vampire movie.


Collin  37:54

Well, maybe that maybe that really does. Cuz I mean, UV is even happens a lot sooner than that of, you know, we started off by talking about things like slasher films, and how they kind of very quickly become not scary. And so I guess, it would be very, very interesting to go in and do a dive into each one of those movies and go,


Brandon  38:18

like, culturally,


Collin  38:20

what was going on? At this time this movie came out? That is what freaked people out. Like, if you go back in I even even because, like, there's the effects that show you surely you can see through, but what more would there have been there to have, you know, whether it was fears of the unknown or fears of, you know, changing demographic or changing whatever, or as you said, in the 1950s, like, everything radiation, like if it would tapped into that strong enough? I think it would, it would probably be legitimately scary. And then we look back at it and go, Well, I'm not scared of those things anymore. So like, why would it be? Why would you be scared of


Brandon  39:06

that at all? Yeah, I think there's definitely some kind of like, you know, cultural zeitgeist, they get Yeah, lost in translation when you're watching a movie like that from the 50s. Because you're right, you know, in the 50s. Like, to be honest, like, even though it's kind of painted as a time of like, oh, everything was rosy and wonderful. Like, the reality is like, oh, no, everyone is actually afraid of being completely destroyed at any second with Nikola weapons, right? That was kind of like the


39:41

the over arcing


Brandon  39:46

cultural phenomenon that was occurring for decades, right. So like, you know, people were already kind of scared and stuff. So then, if there's a giant evil monster in the woods, who's eaten your friend and wrecked his car, Oh, no. Who could Be Right, like, maybe it is more. Or maybe it's a release for that fear that you have, and it puts it somewhere else. You know, instead of the, like an escapism type of situation, you know what I mean? Maybe that's it, maybe you're taking your fears, your fears that you have a general, and then you can dump them into this one thing and sort of release. Somehow, through that. It's like cathartic, almost, you know. Um,


Collin  40:37

yeah, I think I think too, is cathartic or therapeutic, in a way of, of being able to see, okay, this is everything that embodies something that I am afraid of. So, either facing that, or seeing how it's dealt with, or seeing it in an unrealistic light to help you mitigate some of your fears around it. But there are lots of those, I think of in a lot of the, just a lot of the films where, whether it's, you know, this, there's, they're speaking out against this fear of isolation that or even a basic as like urban sprawl, and being spread out and disconnected from people. So it's like trying to use some of these things that you encounter every day to speak to maybe more basic fears of being isolated and alone, and then like, okay, then we're going to set it in them in an urban sprawl where everything's the same and nobody's connected, and nobody knows any neighbors. And then this scary thing happens. And, like, so there are these, there's the, there's what's actually being displayed, then there's obviously the, the meta conversation that's happening and going on in the background about it, trying to use as, as with all things in media, and especially in film,


Brandon  41:57

metaphors, and


Collin  41:59

speaking in new ways, to, you know, scrap some of those those basic, basic fears. Yeah,


Brandon  42:07

thank you, right. And as fear is, like, a very, like, you know, this is one of the base, like prevalent emotions that everybody can connect with. Well, it's written in some way, you know, yeah. So, I think that's, that's probably another reason that so many people enjoy it. Right? Just because it is such a, you know, a deep feeling that everybody can connect with somehow. So perhaps that's another reason where it comes from, you know, people enjoy that.


Collin  42:44

You have connection with others in some commonality. Make some


Brandon  43:09

accidental psychological dissection of the horror genre.


Collin  43:12

This big good, yeah. For more discourse on it just tune in next week. Yes. I don't know if there's a transition there into the book chapters that we read or not read. But maybe,


Brandon  43:32

I'm sure somewhere, maybe, you know, fears, lots of deep emotions happening here. Speaking of deep emotions, it's the outsiders, ladies and gentlemen. Hey,


Collin  43:49

Brandon Found it.


Brandon  43:53

Found it.


Collin  43:57

Yeah, so this is continuing on our series of the outsiders. Last we were here we were just wrapping up chapters four and five. So we're on to six and seven. Now.


Brandon  44:08

Every adjust six and seven spoilers for a minute. Chapter Seven feels like, oh, 75 years of book. It's like, oh, it's the weirdest.


Collin  44:20

We were we were blitzing through these chapters so fast. With for like, 23456. And then seven was like, seven like,


Brandon  44:29

slams you into a wall. And it's the weirdest like, mid book exposition dump I've ever encountered. It's like, what, what, where did this chapter come from? What is going on? I kind of like it. We'll get to it in a second. But like, I kind of see I understand why it's there. Like it kind of makes sense. But it's also like, while your momentum just drops. He's like yeah,


Collin  44:56

I I'm, I'm exactly the same way and it it really I found myself reading on my phone but I was just like, like, I was still swiping over to see like, what how many of these


Brandon  45:11

languages left were things


Collin  45:13

thick. He just didn't didn't


Brandon  45:17

end. So chapter chapter seven is the only chapter so far that I have not read in one sitting. Nice, because there's a couple in the paper version there's like those big double spaced parts between like sections, you know, you know, talking about Damn, I stopped every single one of those and put it down. I can't read this is what the heck is going on? Like, this is so weird.


Collin  45:43

It was it was I Yeah, yeah. So last we read with chapter five, we had a we had a rat, we had a mole at a spy. There was cherry. And we hypothesized What could she possibly


Brandon  45:57

and then we immediately don't find out anything about. No.


Collin  46:02

Immediately. Nothing just. Yeah, she is.


Brandon  46:07

Yeah, the beginning of Chapter Six is like yep, it's true anyway. Like, okay, well, that's cool. I imagined it might be Well, I mean, we find out a little bit about it later. Right? We get some like, very indirectly, from some like other stuff. Yeah. Right. Because we hear about what she says to people and all that but like, no direct payoffs like, Alright, anyway. What?


Collin  46:35

Yeah, yeah. Oh, and we get again, because we're dealing with a 14 year old dallies like me, and she sure does hate me and dallies like, no, she was afraid of loving you.


Brandon  46:48

Yeah, cuz like, Guys, there's some more pressing issues happening right now. We focus on that maybe?


Collin  46:55

Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, again, this is getting back to this with the moment wherever like all the the poetic stuff where it's like, I I literally laughed out loud every time I read these kinds of sentences where he's like, so, so So cherry, cherry, the the cheerleader the so she was trying to help us. No, it wasn't cherry the sows. Who was helping us it was cherry the dreamer who watched sunset. Yeah, couldn't stand fight. Yes. Oh, oh my gosh. Just get out. Just just it. She's just a person. Okay, like, stop. Stop with the cat, Cory?


Brandon  47:35

Yeah. Well, it's the major theme of this book is like, you know, the whole like, we're not that different. Feel. Yeah, this is just like the, like, a random like shoehorning of like, Oh, hey, remember that. Remember how we're not that blam. Like, right in your eyeball? Exactly.


Collin  47:54

Yeah, it was, it's because it was so heavy handed. That was just like, No, not that person. But again, I think back to the number of times of like a middle schooler, or even a high schooler of struggling with, oh, yeah, with friends. And people are being like, oh, no, that person wouldn't do that. But maybe the other side of them would or Yeah, or are coming to realization that people are not just black and white. They don't just act a certain way and forevermore, they're they shall act, right. Like, it's realizing that there's complexity to people that they have different motivations, depending on their days. And so it's just it's seeing it phrased like this. I can just imagine it. I have my way I have him say that in my head. But it's like no, like, that's, that's part of understanding the complexity of people is, is these kind of phrases. No, it wasn't that person. It was the other person. That's the same person. But anyway.


Brandon  48:54

Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah, I would agree with that. Then, next, immediately following that, and all of this, like, weeks of struggle, Johnny goes, You know what, I think we should just go back and turn ourselves in. Like what? Why did we have all of chapter five? Why are you standing there for weeks? Like staring at bologna sandwiches? Like, what is all this? He's, I mean, he kinda Yeah, it's not real fair to pony, and I don't want to lay in this church anymore cuz I'm cold. So I'm gonna turn myself in. That's an abrupt turn. And you could tell that because dally is even like, what? What Yeah, what the hell, man? You couldn't save this a lot of trouble. He's got a mad right yeah. Yeah, and they


Collin  49:49

and then you know, we again we get some some humidity here. Johnny just wants to know, did his parents miss him? And Dahlia is a little, I think a little hesitant to like He's angry that Johnny's asking about that at this point. Yeah, like is he's like, you know, obviously know, like what he's talking about, like no, they don't care. And and you can really see of like, Johnny going I've been through so much. There's all this stuff going on.


Brandon  50:17

And yet And yet yeah, so yeah, he still wants that and he's still looking for it even though it's never happening now so that's also a real thing. You know, okay for looking for acceptance from people that are not going to give to you ever. But like, you know, that's a whole other deal. It does. You know, it fits with this character at least it's definitely not out of character.


Collin  50:48

No, it's not it's not and it's it's again, him trying to this law with, you know, looking for, for acceptance and him thinking maybe this is the finally the one time or finally the thing that'll do it, and not even this one, and


Brandon  51:00

they continue driving out.


Collin  51:06

And with dally scrolling, and Pountney being like, nope, not touching that. No, we're not. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, you're quiet. Oh,


Brandon  51:16

we're just gonna go try to you know, try to untangle this mess. You know, they've been hiding. They've kind of come they both don't like life on the run. They've decided okay, well, you know, cherries taken up for some other people. They might, you know, they'll be able to say so self defense. So let's go home. Right. It's kind of


Collin  51:36

where we are. Oh, I will say we have that humanizing moment of again of, of pony. Realizing the dally is not all he's cracked up to be right when dally says, I don't want you to get hardened in jail. I don't want that to happen to you. Like it happened to me. Oh, yeah. And pony realizing like, oh, like Johnny used to be different. Or sorry, dally used to be different. dallies you no doubt dallies caring for somebody else beyond himself because he realizes his life isn't the way it should be. Or it could be better. And And again, this this this theme of striking over and over of people are not set in stone what you see right now developed over a long time. And there are there consequences. Right. There are these are these are people with with a past?


Brandon  52:28

Yeah, because that's what he talks about. He's like, suddenly I could you know, I suddenly thought of dally in jail at age 10. Yeah, dally growing up in the streets, like not the dahlia that he sees before him now. But as he perhaps once was, no, he started. Yeah. Then he became this person. Yeah. So that was interesting. Yeah. And then they round the corner and there's a church on fire. Yeah. So apparently, this part confused me. Because the super secret hideout that no one ever goes to is full of children on a school trip. Like What?


53:05

What?


Brandon  53:07

Why? Why are they there? What's going on? From what I understand. This church is like out in the middle of nowhere, like on top of a hill in the woods. And there's a bunch of schoolchildren, they're on some sort of like trip, right? I don't even know if they like picnic or picnic. I don't really understand why you go to creepy church in the word to have a picnic. And that Oklahoma thing people do that. Do you go to churches in the woods to have picnics? You'd be surprised. Okay.


Collin  53:39

least we know.


Brandon  53:43

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So they,


Collin  53:47

Johnny and pony just bust in and scrambled towards the back to get them. And they were all it was very interesting. Because they found four or five little kids about eight years old, or younger. And I'm going, Yeah, well, you guys aren't like a whole heck of a lot older than them. But I guess you know, so it's like kids and kids in this.


Brandon  54:14

Yeah. I mean, there's a difference between a 14 year old and an eight year


Collin  54:18

old. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, in that moment, but like, also, from the Grand perspective here going. Again, this is all just this is all kids working together here.


Brandon  54:30

Yeah. And that you do get some like, I don't really know. Like, it's interesting that both Johnny and pony are just like, there's no hesitation. There's like, boom, they're in there. Johnny's even grinning at the dude. Right? And that the teacher has tried to come with him. And he's like laughing about the fact that he couldn't come into the window. Yeah, because ponies like it was too scared Johnny's like now to fat fat and then he like smiles like, Wait, what is this? All right, whatever. But they have this like weird like almost just sort of out of body like they don't i It's hard to know like is this it's kind of another moment of like, is this a glimpse of like who they really are as people, like their facade is finally dropped the whole greaser is tough and I'm not scared. He's like, in this moment of crisis is gone completely. Yeah, and you can see the type of people that they actually are.


Collin  55:29

Yeah. Tony says that was the only time I can think of when I saw him without that defeated suspicious look in his eyes. He looked like he was having the time of his life. Yeah. Yeah. Were they? Yeah, that real, that true nature that that's coming out or their, their their purpose in that moment, at least. And you can see at least when I'm reading this with like, all of the burdens and things that they were scared about three seconds prior to this, I mean, absolutely nothing. it to them and all the weight that they have been carrying, as you said, like the facade and all this, that's all gone because they are so literally in the moment right now. That it's not, it's not affecting even the look on their face or their way they hold their shoulders.


Brandon  56:18

Yeah, exactly. And they so they go in, they grab the kids, they like fling them out the window, and they're coming out, right coming out. Johnny shoves pony out the window within Gianni is stuck inside major spoilers. This is like the big turning point in the book so far. So far, Ronnie stuck inside the church. And so interestingly, you have pony like, wants to go back in for him. Dally gets really mad at him, like, punches him in the head so hard knocks him out. So that pony won't go in after him. Uh huh. And then dally goes in after like, Okay, I mean, I get that you're trying to look after your pony. But like, you know, you're trying to accomplish the same goals here, apparently. So I don't know. I could find him. But yeah, he does that he decks pony. The classic like, you can't stop me. So he like whacked him right in the face. And then the can Yeah, he's like, Yeah, I can punch them in the back of the head, I guess. And then we find out later after pony wakes up in the ambulance that dally lost it in and got Johnny out of there. But in so doing they are both in a bad way. Right? They're not. Not great.


Collin  57:50

Yeah, yeah. And he's in ponies talking with a firefighter. Just a general, man.


Brandon  58:02

Isn't it one of the teacher guys? Teachers isn't a teacher guy. He's an alien to them. Just like Jerry or whatever.


Collin  58:08

Yeah, yeah. And on the way the ambulance in Johnny's, or ponies like, I'm going to the you know, I did. I've done bad stuff and basically just confesses to basically Oh, yeah.


Brandon  58:21

Three thing. And the guy's like, well, we'll worry about that later.


Collin  58:24

Yeah. You'll be fine. Yeah. But it's interesting. Again, of this of this, to, to pony, obviously, all of the stuff that all of his past is very, very important. And it means a lot. It's definition to who he is. And Jerry is just like, Yeah, I don't know anything about that. Thanks for saving the kids. You're gonna be fine. Yeah, enjoy. Ponies. Like, we're creatures, though. People don't like research. So yeah, that's,


Brandon  58:51

I think that's the epitome of that conversation, because he's like, we're Greasers. And the guy's like, sure. What, What's he, like? He has no idea what they're talking about. So that's, like, sad and funny, kind of all at the same time, right? Because like, you have this your whole identity is wrapped up in this like one thing. And then like, somebody else has no idea what you're talking about. So it's, you can kind of see how unimportant it is to people on the outside. Yeah, cuz they're like, I don't know what you're talking about, right? You have this like, view of yourself, and you're like, Oh, I am so important. I'm this thing, and it means the world, or then somebody else sees the same thing and goes, what? Right? That's like, mildly defeating as well. You know, it's actually not mildly. It's like soul crushing, because you have this like, weird. You know, just this huge split and like the thing that's the most important to you and defines you as a person. Somebody else has no idea what you're talking about, and I've never heard of a greaser before. This It's kind of like, wow, okay. That's Oh, dang. Like, I think that was the most impactful moment in this whole chapter for me was just like, Tony's whole identity is being this thing. And this dude's like, I've never even heard of that. I know what you're talking about. Oh, wow. Okay.


Collin  1:00:18

Yeah, it's a very fast moment. But it's caught up in this discussion of him trying to have pony trying to say, like, No, this is a really big deal. You know, we're, we've done all the stuff and blah, blah, and just poured again, pour Jerry, right. Just being like, Well, okay, cool. You're gonna be fine. And just like totally blitzes past it, because it's not important to him. Yeah, it's again, this Yeah, this it's like to the to the person. Like it's very soul crushing. But, again, we're growing here in our space and view of the world. So it's like, yeah, Jerry doesn't care. So not everybody is so concerned about you being a greaser as you think they should be.


1:01:01

Yeah.


Brandon  1:01:02

Because Jerry doesn't even know what that is. Yeah. It also comes back. So they do that they go through there. They do all that stuff. The next partner in the hospital, right? They're waiting. They're waiting there. And then Jerry, once again, is a assaulting ponies identity. Because ponies like trying to smoke like a chimney in Jays. Like, you shouldn't do that. You're like, I don't know, to yawn or something. He's like,


1:01:30

Wait,


Brandon  1:01:31

let's do this. Because like, when I was five, you're like, Whoa. Oh, no.


Collin  1:01:38

He says He literally says, I had never thought about it. Yeah, everyone does. Everyone does.


1:01:45

And yeah.


Collin  1:01:49

And it just Yeah, again, yeah, exactly of like, all these little things, all these, I'm not gonna say little but all these things who you are piecing together as part of your identity and like, really clinging and holding on to either need some more context, or can be a SAS that I think to me that was this one of like, Oh, you mean, like, I can look at something that I hold dear and decide to change it. That's a new thought. Like, I didn't even know


Brandon  1:02:20

possible. Yes. Like this thing that defines me. Like, it doesn't have to be the thing that defines me if I don't want it to be. Yeah, interesting, right. And then, Gary, so to come, and then there's crying and sadness. And Tony realizes that he was a jerk face and the dairy actually loves him. And they reconcile in the doorway. That's kind of the end of this chapter. Right. That's kind of how it ends. Yeah. Yeah. That again.


Collin  1:03:00

Yeah, he says that he lose another person that he loved. Like, he led lot like Dally and blah, sorry, the dairy had lost their parents. And this thought had never occurred to pony. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Again. We're growing in their view of the world. Yeah.


Brandon  1:03:18

I guess so. If and then we get to the worst chapter ever.


Collin  1:03:24

I don't know. It


Brandon  1:03:26

feels like it's apparently I'm looking at this in my book. It's 18 pages of just pure slog. And I didn't really enjoy I didn't really it wasn't interesting again until like the last like two pages. Yeah, right. So like, basically, I'm not gonna harp on about this too much. But we're, he's home. He's doing his thing. He's just like, talking to everybody. And we just get these like, massive dumps about people's life. Like all of a sudden it's revealed like oh, yeah, by the way, I love running track. Like, What? What? What? What did you wait until page 104? To tell me you're a track athlete that smokes 70 packs of cigarettes a day?


Collin  1:04:09

Whilst apparently well Yeah, cuz all before this from page 100 to 104 they're in the hospital and like, just like, I don't know, whatever and then they decide to leave and go home. And then yeah, yeah, and then we


Brandon  1:04:23

get the whole like, oh, we make breakfast this is how we eat these are our favorite things eat for breakfast, we chocolate cake for bread trays. We all like our eggs different ways. And I had never thought things I'd never thought about. Um, I had never particularly thought about if somebody asked you how you take your eggs to say sandwich, right? I was not you know, we all like our eggs and definitely I like them hard. Dairy likes him in a bacon tomato sandwich. And then soda for some reason eats his with grape juice. So these people are just bizarre humans. I don't know. Like,


Collin  1:05:06

who says I'll have sandwich eggs?


Brandon  1:05:08

Okay. How do you take your eggs? Baking a tomato sandwich? Like, that's, I mean, that does sound good. But like that was not. I didn't know that was an option to say.


1:05:23

So,


Brandon  1:05:24

in a brief, brief aside, cut, Aaron, do you like eggs? And how do you like what's your favorite way to eat them? Oh, which is it in the sandwich? Well


Aaron  1:05:40

I don't know if it constitutes as a sandwich is when I put like I have bread, avocado toast. And I like I put a egg on frying pan or skillet and I flip it over and put that on, on the bread with avocado and put cheese and Suraj on it. And that is a


Brandon  1:05:59

it's like an open face sandwich. Okay. So


Aaron  1:06:04

yeah, from what little I read, of jumping from church to hospital to kind of normal life. I was like, Wait, but I guess is the one that like I I truly sat down and like read read and then when I did read it, I was like, yeah,


Brandon  1:06:25

yeah, I felt the same way.


Aaron  1:06:28

So I still am trying to mentally process it. of kind of where things really, you know, leave and then you know, you know, so sort of just guys after all, like, what, what? What do you what? What are you talking about?


Brandon  1:06:43

So, I don't know. I I read


Aaron  1:06:47

I skimmed, I breathed. I was like that. I can't make sense of it. i My head


Brandon  1:06:52

hurts. So fair enough. Chapter Seven. Made my head hurt as well. So I cannot fault you for any of those sentences. At all, though. Before we return, Collin. How do you eat eggs? Or do you eat eggs?


Collin  1:07:07

I do eat eggs over eBay.


1:07:09

Ah, almost.


Collin  1:07:11

I Yeah. Over easy. Yeah, if I'm ordering eggs, it's over easy. Okay. Very good.


Brandon  1:07:19

Have you have toast with them though? Yeah, generally. Usually, I just had Yeah, fried like over easy eggs. Mostly nice. But now I'm gonna say sandwich. Right? I'm gonna


1:07:36

I might as well. Yeah. So.


Collin  1:07:40

Yeah, there's a way isn't it weird? interlay here, where some friends code over and then like, a pony is like, weirdly terse and angry with them for interrupting his morning, I guess. And he's like kind of annoyed that they're there is like you would have thought it was been gone five years instead of five days. And like they he spills his eggs. I don't know. This was a very weird interaction between him and some people were like he was mildly annoyed that his friends were over trying to talk to him. Because he like busy cleaning and making breakfast.


Brandon  1:08:16

Yeah, well, he was trying to like I can see was really trying to like make up and be nice for dairy and soda by Sure. Not waking them up and making them late for work. I guess that was his plan. I don't really know. I also forgot that Steve was a person. Right? So I had to be like Steve, Steve. Steve. Oh, yeah. Like I forgot he existed. Because he's like, just a random dude. This story. So Steve comes in. You're like Who the heck is Steve? I forgot. So yeah, it's like them coming over. There's a whole thing about like, how the doors never locked, because people should just come over. They talk about how they love chocolate milk. They drink some chocolate milk. They're getting ready to go to the work. Connie mentioned something about again. Oh, I should probably quit smoking because I've kept on track. And then he said something about a nightmare. And you're like Derek's like Word. And so apparently, he has nightmares that terrify him and then and then that's like a big huge point. And then it's in two paragraphs it's they're back to talking about something else. You're like, Wait, it's not


Collin  1:09:37

point and what are you talking about?


Brandon  1:09:39

Why you keep doing it? If that doesn't come back again. I'm gonna be really crossed. My god.


Collin  1:09:46

Oh, yeah, the very last page is like and I never had that dream again.


Brandon  1:09:50

Yeah, probably like doing it where there's like a mystery dream that he like wakes up like screaming but he doesn't know why.


Collin  1:09:58

Oh, yeah. But yeah, then they're in the right back to like you said, like, Oh, I've got to go work. Oh, shouldn't you stay home? Oh, I don't. Yeah. Steve, can't you take him? And then they were also worried about because they have to go to juvenile court and then right does that come has that come up? Yeah.


Brandon  1:10:14

Yeah, that's just right. In this time, he's like, we gotta go. And then. Yeah, to Ben and Steve are like, oh, yeah, well, we'll stay here and babysit, right? It'd be fine. Like. Yeah. And then they go into, yeah, more like, what it means to be, like, a greaser.


Collin  1:10:33

Right. And they go and this is where they go. And they go find Randy like, don't they go eat for a while that


Brandon  1:10:37

yeah, so they go eat? They go and they? Let's see. Yeah, they leave. They start talking about stuff. Is it too bad? He tells a weird story about like, yeah, not getting mugged in an alley because like they were thugs, but he's also a thug. So I left him alone. That was weird. They clean the house. And then they go to the toe. The tasty freeze. Yeah, they go get Cokes. And cigarettes, obviously, because Kony has to smoke like 75 packs a day.


Collin  1:11:19

And guess what's trailing at the tasty freeze all gasp It's a blue


1:11:25

Mustang.


Collin  1:11:27

And oh, that's right. Because they're getting red. Everyone's getting ready for the big rumble. Right? That's that's kind of a that comes back up here. Because to this, it's tonight. It's tonight. It's like, Hey, Randy. Nothing before the rumble. Remember, that's what we all agreed. And Randy's like, yeah,


Brandon  1:11:45

we just want to talk. And weird times. Yes. And so now we have the weirdest part so far. In this whole book, right? I think at least it was slightly more interesting than the rest of the chapter. So there's that. Mmm hmm. He goes in. He's like Randy's like, I don't want I'm not gonna hear startle. I just want to talk to the kid. And he wants to talk to pony. So they go and they sit in his car. And they have a little chat.


Aaron  1:12:20

very philosophical.


Collin  1:12:21

Yes. About, about, like, motivations for like, why he did it and or why ponies save the kids? And, you know, he wouldn't have done that. And, well, yes, you would have because, you know, that's the kind of person you are and not really because I'm Association. And then about the like, Oh, we're gonna fight and people are gonna get hurt, and it's not going to change anything. And we'll forget you won. And then, you know, it's not going to do any good. So I'm just gonna load up my old Mustang and all my money and run away.


Brandon  1:12:55

Yeah. Yeah. You get some like, well, he's. So this is kind of weird. He's like, really distraught. He was Bob's, like, best friend. Bob is the kid that is dead. That Yeah. Johnny stabbed. Yeah. So he's all like, he's dead, blah, blah. And he goes on this really long tirade about like, how Bob only ever just wanted someone to tell him no, but nobody never would. Right? Yeah, he would have just stopped if somebody would have told him no one time. Well, that I don't know about that. But this is what this is Randy's opinion. So he goes through there and he says he kind of concludes this with Yeah, what you're talking about sex, so I'd fight if I thought it would do any good. I think I'm gonna leave town. Take my old Mustang and all the dough I can carry. Get out. Pony responds with well, Running away won't help. But Randy says, Yeah, I know. But, you know, that's I really, I don't want to fight because I'm over this nonsense. And if I stay that will be an outcast among my friends. So I must run. You know? And then he remembers cherry again. Things are rough all over.


Collin  1:14:09

I knew what she meant.


Brandon  1:14:12

Yes. I knew what she meant now. Oh, man.


Collin  1:14:15

Oh, man. I love this. Then we get into the again this kind of like, oh, like overly


1:14:22

I don't know where he says.


Collin  1:14:26

Randy says you. You wouldn't tell me I'm associate you get a little money in the whole world hates you. And then pony responds with no.


Brandon  1:14:34

You hate the whole world? Yes. Oh, man.


Collin  1:14:39

Oh, yo, you're so right. Oh.


Brandon  1:14:46

Yeah. Yeah, this whole like really bizarre exchange of just like, oh, yeah, we're doing this thing. And Randy's not gonna be at the room. Nope. And then he gets out of the car. And then that's the part that says, that way. You got what you say. That way you could tell the other guy was human too. Yeah, so this is we're just guys after all things were tough all over, but it was better that way. That way you could tell the other guy was human too. So like, Ah, well, he's got it rough.


Collin  1:15:26

I've got it rough. Oh, don't you feel the connection? We're all just like struggling.


Brandon  1:15:31

And it's hard. Yeah. So I mean, yeah, I would. Yeah, this chapter was just all over the place. And I didn't. It was such a, I don't know so far. So this, this was back to like chapter one territory. Remember, I didn't like chapter one. I didn't like this chapter for kind of all the same reasons. Right? To through six. We had like a very continuous story arc happening. We had like a very continuous progression. And then like chapter seven, it like breaks. You just get off this weird stuff. And like, I understand sort of why is there like, we do need it like, in the timeline. But canonically there is a downtime here. Because he's out of the hospital. Yep. The next big event isn't until tonight the rumble, right? Uh huh. Which I assume it's not going to go well. So there is like, this day, where there's just sort of nothing happening. So we just get to hear about it in the chapter where like, nothing happens.


1:16:45

I you get to hear about cake and eggs.


Brandon  1:16:50

Yeah, and how to bake doesn't clean house. Yeah.


Collin  1:16:53

And chores. Yeah. That was, oh, that's a good day. For sure. Yeah, this, this one definitely felt like many of these things. Because again, I, I, I don't see the investment taken into people like Steve, or it's true to bid


Brandon  1:17:17

for God, Steve existed coming


Collin  1:17:18

to fruition coming to like mean anything to have moved this beyond, again, unless they sit down. And they're like, at the end of story, like, and we broke it. We all made cake for each other. I never had bad dreams together and tubik Clean the house like none of this is getting wrapped up or brought back


Brandon  1:17:35

again. I mean, we'll see. Again, we have this weird, like, future Ponyboy telling us all about this story. So there is some level of like, I'm not entirely sure why he's doing it that way. Yeah. Who is he talking to? In this story? Right. That might be that final revelation might in fact be quite important to a lot of this, and might help explain some of these things that are like bothering me. Yes, I hope so. You have to I mean, that's kind of a way around it. Right? You kind of that's that's how he's telling the story from that. Like, talking about the past perspective. So the reason I think some of those details are there, it feels like he's just sort of like,


1:18:25

like, oh, yeah,


Brandon  1:18:26

this this, this happened. And this guy's here. This is all about him, because you need to know about this. Because, you know, maybe I haven't told you about him before. You know what I mean? That's kind of Yeah, you kind of get like a sense of


Collin  1:18:36

that a little bit.


Brandon  1:18:37

So who is he talking to? Like, that is? That revelation might be important. I feel like I don't know who it could be. But whoever it is, I think that I think that will be important that narration style. I think we'll kind of hopefully tie up some of that a little bit. And it will kind of make it make a little more sense. Maybe. I'm hoping


Collin  1:19:08

you've got a whole lot of hopes and prayers here, dude.


Brandon  1:19:11

Hey, you know, I'm trying to literally bring it back somehow. We still got a few chapters left to find out so many pages. Yeah, we only have four left, right. I think so. Yeah, cuz there's only 12 Yep. We're busting through them. Yeah, you that don't well. Good. Yeah, I I'm,


Collin  1:19:33

I'm interested to see what what the payoff is for this chapter. Probably not. So that's what I'm going to read chapter eight and nine next time.


Brandon  1:19:39

Alright. We'll go from there. No, I exist fine. 710 was not the same thing. So but again, it's gearing up for more like something so maybe there, yeah, there's whatever resolution has going to happen. It only has four chapters left. Plus, there's one big more, at least one large plot point that is looming on the horizon. So there is intrigue at least because I by betting just the rumbles not really gonna go just super well, it doesn't sound like an event, there's just going to be happy fun times for anybody. So we'll see. But,


Collin  1:20:27

yeah, look, if the if so we just logged through chapter seven. If the Rumble is like, at this pace, the Rumble is going to be like literally seven paragraphs. And then no.


Brandon  1:20:41

It's just gonna be him, like, dealing with the fallout four, like, Yeah, cuz he's gonna get 20 pages,


Collin  1:20:47

or something, or something. Yeah, something happened, and then all these repercussions, and then we got to cut to his day of juvenile court in


Brandon  1:20:55

whatever is true. We do still have to have juvenile court time. We really have to have some sort of like we hopefully will at least see here from Cherry again, that would be super helpful. Right? Okay. Nice to know, be good. We need to know about Johnny and Dalli. Like are they dead? Are they? I mean, I don't feel like dallies dead Johnny might be


Collin  1:21:19

gone. But right. What's his life look like after that? Yeah. What? Yeah, again,


Brandon  1:21:31

thanks to or they did say a slight plot point that we skipped over in the boring part. They say Johnny is potentially paralyzed. Oh, right. Because like a big giant flaming ceiling beam landed on his backpack. So


Collin  1:21:46

yeah, yeah. Right. They were kind of like, talking about how that would impact his basically his home life. Now he's at home and he can't


Brandon  1:21:56

leave. Yes. So Johnny's in a bad way. Dally probably probably be fine. Maybe. Yeah, we have lots of other characters. We have several other characters that we need to know a resolution for. And so we'll see posters for chapters. For chapters left to find any resolution. How many times is the word sunset gonna be mentioned in these last four chapters? That's just it's just,


Collin  1:22:27

it's just all paid off. It's just a crosstex of sunset with more of the word. Perhaps.


Brandon  1:22:36

Perhaps we'll find out. We'll find out. Very good.


Collin  1:22:39

And yeah, looking forward to it. Good. Evening.


Brandon  1:22:46

All right. You as well.


Collin  1:22:48

Thank you. You. Love you guys.


1:22:51

Let me see