officially in science mode
Collin is doing 20,000 Leagues better than he was before. Brandon is experiencing a few manic moments and is excited about his moving plates science demo. After solving the school drop-off dilemma, we dive into our main topic; what’s the deal with ‘book-tube’? You’ll be shocked to learn, Brandon has thoughts and Collin is confused.
20,000 leagues better
What did Nebraska do to Tmobile?
Collin has INTERNET
Brandon manic moments
Ring stand, mesh, & tongues!
Demo on heat and moving plates
Officially in science mode
Always forget the tongues!!
Raiding the random cart
Science candle
This science could be hot
Parent opinion….
Brandon’s Andy’s gripes
Brandon’s interactions with “book-tube”
It’s a weird place…
Personal problems with fantasy novels
Everyone reviews the same thing…
No disclaimers!! - FCC violation
Bookshelf tours….seriously…
Book haul video…
The TBR Game - to be read
Unrealistic expectations on viewers
Can't trust someone who likes Dorian Grey
Discussing the Harry Potter phenomenon…
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books, read, people, weird, years, videos, internet, big, drive, problem, person, reviews, line, point, talking, modem, release, order, world, parents
SPEAKERS
Collin, Brandon
Collin 00:04
Welcome to Oh, brother, the podcast of three brothers trying to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon, Colin and Aaron. On this week's show, officially in science mode. Oh, boy.
00:20
A hooray.
00:21
How do I sound? Pretty good. Actually. I am. I have my microphone on a box. Because I forgot perfect.
Collin 00:31
I forgot my stand. Okay. Hey,
Brandon 00:34
you've remembered your laptop this time. I feel like this is an acceptable trade.
Collin 00:40
We are. We are at least 20,000 leagues better than we were last time
Brandon 00:50
this cut insert the hashtag when SNL was funny. That's what Sorry, guys. Anyway. Yeah, anyway,
Collin 01:08
we'll just do that. So yeah, I come from You, I come to your recording from a brand new location never before recorded from
Brandon 01:20
data.
01:22
Dos office.
Brandon 01:23
It's how exciting it is.
Collin 01:27
I got internet today, which was very nice. Very nice. All and longtime.
Brandon 01:32
Let's be real.
Collin 01:36
Person who does
Brandon 01:39
the majority of their bookings online?
01:42
And online is good. And podcasting. So yeah, yes.
Brandon 01:48
To podcasts, and,
Collin 01:51
you know, some say it should have been done
Brandon 01:54
sooner, it's fine. You know, it's okay. Here's priorities, right, it's fine. I don't know
Collin 01:58
a shout out to how T Mobile does this. So I have a five G mobile router for my mobile 5g modem for my internet. So what they do is they ship you a little tiny box, not a tiny box. But there shouldn't be a box, a box within which is and then there's a little plastic, the modem and in that has been inserted a SIM card like you get for a cell phone. Wow, you open it up, you plug it in, you open their app, you press a few buttons, and you have internet
Brandon 02:45
alright, that's pretty sweet. Not gonna lie. That's really good.
Collin 02:50
And because it has a SIM card and it bounces off of 5g modems, you can take this with you. And ah, it's not battery powered. So it does have to be have access to a plug full time. I'm like, what,
Brandon 03:05
why? Why is internet
Collin 03:06
delivered over cable at all? Like this is? This is ridiculous. Like, nobody had to come by nobody. Yeah, right. Like, there was no box that had to be installed, there was nothing. And even if I wanted to, I could it has an Ethernet port on the back. So I could plug it into a separate Wi Fi router, if I didn't like this router and do something else with it. So it's literally there's one cord into my wall. And I have 5g speeds to everything now and I was like, this was way too easy. Like I thought I had done something wrong with how easy it is a
Brandon 03:39
shocking, right? Like,
Collin 03:43
I know, in a world where everything is like, Oh, we're going to schedule a window for someone to come out and it's going to be nine hours. And they're going to charge you $100 install fee and you're gonna have this little box and all this stuff. And they're gonna have to run some cables. And but nothing, just unpacked it, plugged it in, went to the app, and was like, Okay, thanks. Like you scan a QR code on the back of the little modem. And you're up and running. I was like, Well, okay. Yeah.
Brandon 04:15
Hard to argue with that. Really? That's a
Collin 04:19
plus one for T Mobile.
Brandon 04:21
Good job. All right. You go. Yeah, of course. Unless of course, looking at their little service maps that they always put on their their commercials, right? Oh, yes. With a big, suspiciously Nebraska sized hole in it. Right. It's just
Collin 04:38
like what did what did Nebraska to to
04:42
do to you? What kind of weird like
Brandon 04:45
something is wrong? Like, there's something at the state government level that means that this is not happening, right? That's what's going on here. There's no reason. Like there is a perfect a perfect Nebraska shaped hole. Your coverage?
Collin 05:01
Like, how did they hurt you? Like just like plead,
Brandon 05:05
Nebraska? What are you doing? Why? So I know there's more. Like, maybe you don't even need internet? Do you even need to harvest corn? Okay, it's important. So like, what's happening? How are you going to husk the corn? With internet? So I want to know what's going on?
05:24
Let me know is cellphone coverage? Yeah. So they
Collin 05:28
say it's not available and everywhere and and they did they did wasn't perfect because originally they had so because I'm a I'm a business I have a business rep, which is annoying. But she, she plays all the orders and everything and was like, Okay, great. Here you go. And the shipment date said September 9 through the 12th. And I was like, sweet. And then I looked at the order and for the first hour that the order was live underneath the item, the modem tower thing, it said it was out of stock. And then within the next hour that kind of went away, and I was like, Well, that was kind of weird, odd. And then the ninth came and nothing got shipped the 10th or the 11th. And I reached out on the 11th. And the customer service was like, Oh, well, like the shipment is from the ninth to the 12th. And I was like, Yeah, but there's no update. He said, well contact us after the 12th As It hasn't, it hasn't shipped. And I was like I don't, okay, well, the 12 happened and no status change all day. And so I was pretty frustrated because I didn't know who to contact. So I scroll back through all the emails that I had. And I was like, Oh, I have an business rep. And I have her direct email.
06:48
Haha, dun, dun, dun.
Collin 06:50
I will email business rep. And she immediately responded and was like, oh, it looks like it's down just waiting to be picked up on the shipping dock. Let me see what's going on. And then a couple hours came back and she was like, Oh, this is out of stock.
Brandon 07:08
was like I know, that's what it says on the themes like yeah, took they told me not to
Collin 07:13
worry about it don't say, well, and he was like, Well, I can already do this. Yeah, just like I can. And when I was tell people like the customer service people, representatives that I was talking to, they were like, I don't see where it says out of stock. It just says shipment pending. And I was like, Yeah, but it did say out of stock. And it doesn't now and anyway. So then I felt like it was crazy. And she was like, No, this is out of stock. She's like, we have another did you feel vindicated? I did. I was like yes sounds I knew I wasn't insane. And so I think whatever. And she said, Well, I can wait for this order. Or I can overnight you the other verse, other modem that we have. And I was like, Well, is there a reason you didn't ship that one first? Like, can you explain like, what the difference is? As a good question? Like, if you have another like, why would that would never brought up in the initial idea.
Brandon 08:13
Why not already have that? Or like,
Collin 08:16
Why was there not a hey, you know, thanks. Welcome to the business. Internet, we have these two options, which one would you like? Like, that would never happen. And I still don't exactly understand why they have two different ones are really what I do. The difference is I have the one I have is now is actually much smaller than the other one because the other one is like a canister like a big, circular. It's a cylinder, right? It's tall, and it's tall. This one is like half the size of a tissue box that I have. Very, very weird. Because we so I, you know, whatever. I have internet and I like check the speeds and lace and she was like this isn't it's not old or anything. It's just a different model that we carry.
09:06
And I was like, okay,
Collin 09:10
you know, here we are.
Brandon 09:12
That's good for it's old. You don't lead with like, No, it's not old or anything isn't in fact, old. Right? It's like, yeah,
09:21
it's what you don't do. Like, oh, no, it's totally fine. Like, I
Collin 09:25
feel like it's more basic, because the other one was this big tall cylinder. There's a big silver and has like, the other one has a screen on top that displays data and you can like swipe and you can see all this stuff of like signal strength getting to it and you do all these diagnostics. So So you might say it looks newer, newer. Yes. That's one of our basic there's no screen on it. or older, older one might one might, but then I'm like, does it have the same Wi Fi technology? Yes. Okay is It's still 5g, because they do sell LTE modems, which I was like, This better not be an LTE modem. Wow. Yeah, I know. Maybe that's what Nebraska
Brandon 10:09
gates, that's yeah. So I change
Collin 10:11
that map. And I was like, and then on the other hand, like, I'm, I'm not here that much. But like, this is kind of an as needed kind of service now. And it's a bonus for my staff who can come here and use our Wi Fi and whatever. But if I were, if I were hitting this heavy, and I was in their daily and I had all sorts of things bouncing off of it, I might have pushed for the other one. Oh, and then I did say, so if the other one becomes available. She said, Oh, we'll ship that out to you. And just, you know, use that box to ship the one you have back to us. And I was like, Fine. Don't cancel my other order. But also. Yep. So that's, that was interesting. That was an interesting experience. It's been, here's your total review. It was a wonderful customer service experience. As far as like, it's a month to month thing. There's no cost for any of the equipment. It's you just pay when you need it. When you're done. They ask for the equipment back. If you don't ship it back to them. They will charge you for it. Which makes sense. I mean, yeah. Right. And then you're just done. And it's like unlimited internet access. And it's, you know, it is limited on the the 5g speeds in your area. So they can't I mean, yeah, they can't guarantee
Brandon 11:38
like my area that would be zero. Like,
Collin 11:44
right, so they don't guarantee speeds like typical other internet's you know, if you go with spectrum charter, I don't whenever they'll say, oh, here are the different tiers of internet speeds. T mobile's just like, we don't do that. You get it? And then it's as fast as it can be wherever you are.
Brandon 12:02
I mean, yeah, that makes sense. Based on that. It's like a cellular internet. Yeah.
Collin 12:07
Like that reason. And it's, I'm like, you know, this is working out. And it literally set up in like, less than 15 minutes. It was awesome. Always a bonus. Always, always. So yeah, that's what I did today. And then I immediately like, I was racing, I was trying desperately stay in my office so that I didn't miss the delivery because they needed a signature. And I was like,
12:30
so it's like the the dreaded signature.
Collin 12:34
And I did have a note on my door that was like, if I'm not here, you know, the people across the hall will sign for it. But I know sometimes they won't do that, depending on whatever. Socket enough, right? So I was like, I was like, I'm here. And I heard the NOC, and I was like, running across my very tiny office
12:50
ran the four steps across.
Collin 12:54
Yeah, exactly to get there. And then I got it set up. And the reason I was also kind of rushing to get it set up was because I had to, I had some things I needed to be doing online that I had kind of committed to that I was really hoping that I would have internet for it. I wouldn't have to like tethered to my phone or something. And so, got it set up and with a few minutes to spare was up and running. So nice. can recommend a plus, plus one and a half. There you go. Excellent. That's all that the bag of chips. What's new with you. Um, I mean, nothing
Brandon 13:42
new per se, but just like trekking along doing school things. I had one of those magic moments today where I was like, coming to school. Right. I was like, in the car. And it was like, idea, like I got to school, and then had to immediately rush to over to the high school to read the science cabinet. Needed a ring stand, and some mesh, right. Oh, no tongs, you know, everything's fine. But I was like, I need to do I want to do this demo that'll help. And then I was like, I don't have this stuff. Oh, no, this is bad. So I have like, I was gonna do the demo where it's like the
Collin 14:32
talks about
Brandon 14:35
it's a demo for how heat from the Earth's core can move the plates, right. So what you do is you you have a heat source, and you put it under a thing of water. And you just put like little pieces of paper on the surface of the water. And then eventually that rising heat, the rising warm water starts to move them around the bowl. Hmm. You know, so I was gonna do that, because we're talking about plate tectonics, right? It's geology Time. Now I'm officially in science mode. It's my favorite part. So here we go. That was like, Okay, I have a beaker. Okay, what was like standard 200 mil beakers, right? So I got one of those. I have some tea candles.
Collin 15:19
Boom, I
Brandon 15:20
have a hole punch. So I can just make little circles from my index card, right. But I don't have a way to hold the beaker above the candle
Collin 15:31
without using my hands.
Brandon 15:33
Yeah, I want to do that nobody like. So I ran over to the high school and was like, the problem is they're redoing the lab area over there. So they like cut out the lab tables that are a billion years old and like falling apart. And so they're going to get these like mobile lab cart station things interesting right? Now they're kind of cool looking. And I'm I don't know, I'm gonna, I don't know exactly how they're gonna work out. But like, they ordered them and stuff. They haven't come in yet, obviously, because nothing you order ever comes in. Especially when you forget to order them in anyway. Yeah, so, but they're like a mobile lab stations. And you basically can have underneath in a storage for all the equipment. So you can store your electronic scales, and some glassware, and your microscope and stuff like, like safety goggles, certain different cabinet, but like, all this stuff is just there. And then you can just wheel it around. And then and so like, if one of the other science classrooms needs to do a lab, they can just like, wheel some of the carts out without
Collin 16:49
having to raid the back closet. And yeah, all that stuff. Well,
Brandon 16:53
no, no like it because the lab was on. There's in high school. There's three science classrooms and one lab. But the lab is in one of the classrooms. Gotcha. Gotcha. Right. So it's like, it's kind of like how Mr. Reid's room was, you know, those lab tables over there, it was like that, except for the lab tables were much older and jankier.
Collin 17:14
So who will Yeah, but also broken.
Brandon 17:20
But now instead of like,
Collin 17:23
having to like,
Brandon 17:26
come in and run a lab while another classes have a class, which is a bit problematic, right? They can just wheel out, however many of the carts they need, and they can do their labs in their own room. I think that's the thinking behind it. So it's kind of a cool idea. We'll see what it looks like in practice.
Collin 17:47
Yeah, either way.
Brandon 17:49
I'm on the second floor. So that doesn't help me very much. And I need to ring stands. So all that to say is the science closet in that classroom was even it's even more state of disheveled mint than normal right now. Oh, because like they they emptied out all the stuff that was in those tables. Oh, right. Because all the cabinets under them had all the glassware and the stands and the burners and all that stuff, right. And so they're all in the closet. So I had to help. I had to help her dig around. And she was like, oh, it's in this box in the back. Because, of course it's in the back. I'm very, I'm very sorry. I hate that. You had to start your day this way. But I really need to break anyway. So yeah, I got the ring. She's like, Oh, you probably should take tongs. And I was like, You're right. I do need those. Because I always burn my stupid fingers because I always forget the tongs,
Collin 18:54
forget talk.
Brandon 18:58
So I have everything ready. I tested it a little bit today. So during special class when they're all gone. So I have that ready, less, even more excitingly. I got my school does the same where they like it's part of the PBIS thing where they do brag on students for good behavior. Oh, sure. Right. Yeah. So you're like, oh, this week this student was like, you know, really showing like following expectations like really well, right. So then they get bragged on over the stuff or whatever. And they get those stickers and stuff. The sixth graders don't like to wear their stickers but they totally hang them on their locker right? They're like, No, they're like dogs it isn't lame. I don't like hang those in there to do right like
19:42
well yeah, cuz they're there at the intersection of like, I'm not a child but also this is really what also like yeah,
Brandon 19:47
I got this that's what's up what but I got dragged on by one of the other staff members doing something and that mostly it was the librarian because the library I told you they got new shelving All right, like new I have seen your picture. It's like huge amounts of shelving. And so they were down there, Susan and her were down there last night, trying to like, put all this stuff on the shelves. So I just walked out, I just I did all my grading stuff. I went down, and I helped tote books around the library. And remember that the Dewey Decimal system exists. And here's the thing. I don't remember doing that since like, fifth grade, but anyway, in a minute. So anyway, she bragged on me and the teachers when they get right down, there's like a treat cart thing. Right? And there's like stuff on it. It's just like a hodgepodge of like, random stuff that admin just gets and puts it on there. Right.
20:45
And usually, I'm like, Ah, bro, lame.
Brandon 20:47
I won't I always go for I read it. I look for post it notes. Sharpies, nice or Expo markers. I'm all about that stuff. That's all I usually want. But this time, there's lots of other things like cutesy things and like Starbucks gift cards and stuff, but I don't care about that stuff.
Collin 21:05
What, but this time, there was definitely scented candles, in little little glass cups into candles. And I was like, science candle
21:19
or Yeah, so
Brandon 21:25
I was like, this is perfect. This is way
21:27
better than my tea candle. This is great. So um, yeah. Oh my god.
Brandon 21:34
Saturday I am folks. I was excited about a candle because I could use it in a science experiment. Third of its great. Now let's candle wax will melt and get all over the place some earrings. And this is a good point.
21:51
Right? Perfect. Right?
Brandon 21:55
And when it runs down, then I can just take my tea candle inside. Boom, it's fine. There we go.
22:01
And now it is a holder for the next
Brandon 22:02
day. The next day for the next tea candle I have so kapow got that figured out. That was my excitement for today. I got really overly excited about it candle, because I can use it for science tomorrow.
Collin 22:17
So sounds like a really good highlight. Yeah, it's basically what is pretty great.
Brandon 22:25
So I was excited. I was like this timing is perfect. Yes.
Collin 22:31
Understandable. So the kids were like, What are you doing?
Brandon 22:40
Don't worry also, that it really confused as I like to confusing the children. Right? So they've walked through the room. And all of this material is sitting on my lab table with no context. And I just I have this sign that I made that says caution signs do not touch. Perfect. And so I just Yeah, I put it on the table, like in front of all this stuff. And they're like, what is that? Like? You'll find out later? Don't worry.
Collin 23:14
Yeah, remember,
Brandon 23:15
don't touch. Like, but don't touch it. Don't touch the science, please. The science could be hot. So don't touch the fire.
Collin 23:29
Just like what on earth? It's fine. Don't worry.
Brandon 23:36
It's okay.
Collin 23:37
It's okay to be scared right now. We're all a little.
Brandon 23:39
We're all in this together. I'm testing this out to make sure it works for tomorrow. You don't know why there's candles on the table. Okay, like
Collin 23:54
so that was fun. Okay, so and that. So those will be for tomorrow, right? Yes.
Brandon 23:58
Tomorrow. I wanted to like test it out, because I haven't done that demo in a very long time. So I was just making sure it was going to work the right way. Like when they were out of the room. I tested it a little bit. And I was like, okay, yeah, that's fine. So. But, yeah, that's what we did today. Got overly excited about candles on a little trolley cart full of treats for teachers.
Collin 24:25
How's that one does
Brandon 24:26
burn it for science. So that's just the most important
Collin 24:29
part for science. Yes.
Brandon 24:33
Also, other things happening at school. I need your opinion as a parent. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Imagine this. Imagine that. due to scheduling conflicts and your superintendent being ridiculous human being construction on the main entrances for your building are going to start next month. Correct? Yes. While school is in session, yes, thanks. So, they have rerouted where parents drop off and pickup children. Like the car rider, like Yeah, parents don't like that. Now, our school has, like a ridiculously high number of parent pickup and drop offs. Like it's, it's astronomically big. It seems abnormally large to me, but I don't really have a context for other places. So
Collin 25:27
as in as in the bus system is being underutilized, I guess. Yes. You're saying that okay. Yes. Right. So whatever,
Brandon 25:35
that's not the point. So the place where it goes, now it's in the back of school, okay. So what they have done is they have gone to the parking lot and they have coned off this big long section. Okay. And parents are supposed to pull all the way up to the front of this line and then start dropping their kids off, and then they leave. Okay, so you turn in the parking lot. So it's like a U shape, right? But it's like a really long u. So you have to turn in U turn one direction u turn to the U turn in U turn to the left, right. And then you drive all the way down to the end of this code area where you stop at the end. And then you unload your children. Now the problem is, the problem is, here's where I need your help. The car line goes all the way down to the end. Okay? Yeah. But the door is back
Collin 26:36
towards the beginning of where you pull in.
Brandon 26:39
So what's happening as these parents are pulling in and then just stopping, right, right and right by the door,
Collin 26:48
because their children cannot walk
Brandon 26:53
40 yards, not even four yards, like 25 feet.
26:58
It's impossible say
Collin 26:59
impossible. It will not just
Brandon 27:04
stop and it like messes up everything. Well, yeah. Because some people are going to the end, they're going to the prescribed area. And other people like I hear not getting out until you're right. And it's not just the little children. Right? It would make sense if it was the parents of like a kindergartener. Okay, right. But I can see all this from my room. So the sixth graders are very enamored and watching this process, and even they're like, bro, pull up. What are you doing? So that's how, you know strange things are happening when the sixth graders are judging you and your ability to do this. Because it's cuz some people get like angry, they start like going around, right? It's holding? Oh, yeah, that's bad. They get yelled at by the principal. But as they should, yes, they should. They shouldn't eat. But like, they're out there. They're doing that. And like, it's like, it's not just kindergarten parents or like first grade parents. It's like, some of these kids are like a fourth grade. And they're like, right at the door, like, No, I'm only letting you off right here, like, come on. And it's not like it's an unsupervised area. There are many there are many staff members out there. There are four to five staff people outside, making sure the kids get out of the cars and go into the building. Yeah, right. It's not like a free for all zone. Because it's in this new location. There are four to five staff out there. How all times at drop off and pickup,
Collin 28:32
how many have high vis vest with flags to wave people down further.
Brandon 28:39
Now maybe that's the problem because there are 0% Wearing high visibility vests. I think this might be where we're going awry.
Collin 28:47
Also Also another thing, cones blocking off at the edge in front of the door in a line going all the way up to the sidewalk.
Brandon 28:58
We have that? Well, I mean, they're cones that go there's cones run, because like there was parking right next to the building. Oh, yeah. Right. Like parking lots like places for the staff to park. Yeah, all all of that has been coned off to create a safe walkway for the kids to come to the sidewalk. Yeah, right. So there that is there's a big coned off area where the kids can get out of the car. So it's like they get out the passenger side and they're basically stepping into the cone area that they can then walk back towards the door. Yeah.
Collin 29:30
And is it taped? Is there is there a string or tape in between the cones? Well, no, because then they couldn't walk through the cones. Yeah, well, I'm just trying to figure out how you like creating a better barricade back by the door. Oh, yeah. I don't know how to do that. Yeah. is completely blocked off the door. No, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Brandon 29:47
It's a very odd thing to see.
Collin 29:49
You know, I went through I don't know if you've been through a more modern Chick fil A recently. I have not okay. So Oh, the one spring I don't really like their chicken. Oh, it's fine. It's fine. I think we're not getting into the overrated not getting into the chicken sandwich debate. Okay, nobody's doing that. But they have the same problem because their their whole drive thru system is very like, relaxed, right? There's like sometimes there's people out there taking orders at the beginning, sometimes it's a machine. And then the one here in Springfield, you pull up, hit is not a window, it is a slight open door, that's that the car hops but the euro, the staff come out to your car, they just walk to your car. It is very odd. And, and it doesn't really make sense. But they want a more personal touch I suppose. However, the the line, the line extends, well past like four car lengths past this door to stop. where you're at, you're supposed to pull all the way forward. Because then as they work on your food, they take it to that car, whoever gets done first, based on oh,
31:10
what? Yeah, so
Brandon 31:12
this is another reason not to go there. This would make me angry,
Collin 31:14
you pull all the way forward. And then because what they, what they try and do is when the food is done, the food is done. Everything goes on the same time assuming the order takes if someone's got 19 chicken sandwiches, that's going to take a long time. whenever, whenever somebody order it just a little small ones. So yeah, everybody's supposed to pull all the way forward. And then the car Hops can go from car to car, depending on which ones gets done first, regardless of where you are in line, once your order is placed. That's what happens. It's the exact same thing that would happen if you were inside. And they were calling numbers, right? Yeah, whatever gets done and assembled first gets called next. So they're trying to replicate that it
Brandon 31:51
doesn't work in a car situation.
Collin 31:53
However, yes. who pulls all the way forward? Apparently, nobody, nobody. They stop at the window. And they go well, I'll wait. So there Yeah,
Brandon 32:03
that's the problem with trying to differentiate yourself from everybody else. Like literally, yeah, because like Chick Fil A's think seems to be like, we're not like, we're not like other girls. Right? That's them right there like that. We're not like other chicken. We're not like other chicken sandwiches. Right? Like, yeah, but everybody understands how drive throughs work? And you're like, not us. Yeah, man. Like, yeah.
Collin 32:24
So what they have to do is they, they have to force people effectively, who stopped there, they have to have a get the car up, to come forward and tell them, you need to pull all the way forward. And they will walk the car all the way up, and then say, Okay, we'll be we'll be with you when your food is ready. Efficient, you almost need to have somebody at this point to kick the door back shut and say, Nope, go up to Mr. Stevenson up there waving the flag at you.
32:56
And more aggressive door kicking. Exactly. I'm
Brandon 32:59
gonna tell I'm going to ask him about that. I
Collin 33:01
think. Also, also, just messaging about safety would be more important. I'm not sure how that was communicated to people when they were just like, hey, new, drop offline, have fun.
Brandon 33:14
There was there was literature that was like a map and arrows and a description of how it works. And then they had it the first day of school, like every administrator was out there, like pointing them where to go and standing there like the first week and then there's still like, no, door only. Yeah, I mean, the number of people doing the no door only thing has decreased. Just from casual observation that like looking out my window while I'm taking attendance and stuff in the morning, like are getting my stuff ready. But
Collin 33:45
as it'll probably never go down to exactly zero. Well, no, but continued messaging, when it's it's kind of hard because people don't really think about that until they're in the line. But you have to start messaging that, like with the map with all that stuff. YouTube or not YouTube, but like Facebook Lives, like stuff would
34:06
be really trashy this is
Collin 34:09
you could even have you know, I know teachers don't do anything after school is over. So you could have oh, yeah, I've
Brandon 34:14
never, ever greater papers. And no, I'm doing all that relational stuff. No, no. Well, you just check our classroom.
Collin 34:20
We check out when that last bell rings. I know how the teacher life is. Yeah, so you could even I
Brandon 34:26
never leave the building until after four o'clock.
34:31
Yeah, yesterday it was seven.
Collin 34:34
Yeah, well, you were busy doing other stuff. I was toting
Brandon 34:37
your heavy
Collin 34:39
items. So but ya know, that's a parents are selfish when it comes to their kids, unfortunately. Um, yeah, that's that's a hard nut to crack. Because yeah, they obviously see that. They're like, entrance there. Why, like, but trying to explain to them in that moment of like, Timmy could walk it's going to be just I
Brandon 35:00
go. And I think the problem is the like, it's just it because it's not where this is supposed to happen. Right in the old place. This didn't happen because the door was at the front of the line. Yeah. And so like, the door was the end goal. And so anywhere along the line backwards, you could just a lot of kids with a lot of parents were just like, they would be in the line, and they would just get out of car. Yeah, right. Yeah. So that they could just after everyone, they would just a whole big chunk of them would drive forward. Right. And I think it's just because this is the opposite way. It's like so like, oh, no, it's because the door was always the goal. Yeah, the door was behind you now, which is like, Oh, no. It makes it.
Collin 35:40
It makes psychologically, it makes sense. I have passed the goal. To Yeah, I was trying to get to versus like, it doesn't matter. Six, one way, half a dozen another does not matter. So ah, yeah, that would be pretty. Probably a few more emails and some videos on YouTube Shouting, shouting, maybe taking
Brandon 36:02
maybe put the checkered flag way down at the end. So people are like, finish line is down there. Yes. Yeah. All the way through.
Collin 36:10
Yep. And every time a parent does it, you throw a piece of chocolate in their mouth. So they get
Brandon 36:15
or just like shoot confetti at them. Yeah.
36:19
Exactly. Put a metal
Collin 36:22
around their neck. Positive and yes, positive reinforcement
36:26
ads. Right.
Brandon 36:30
Right. Thank you for your comments. I will relay them to the candidates. Also, back to bad order taking real quick for us. Yeah. I also hate Andy's with a fiery passion. Right? Because they do the same thing. They just have like a person outside taking your order. Yeah, I just sort of wandered around. But like, for whatever reason, in Springfield, home of Andy's frozen custard. Like, it's the longest line in the whole history of the universe for ice cream. And I know people will fight me they'll be like, it's custard. bertscope Now shut up. It's ice cream. I don't care. It's not that great. Like, it's fine, but it's nothing special. It's okay. My own wife like fights me about this. She like, throws rocks at me when I say these words. But
37:15
oh, come on in hot today. All the opinions. Yeah. But like, there's a
Brandon 37:19
dude, that just walks around and he's got a thing. And he'll come up to your window like way far away? And be like, What do you want? Like? Well, I don't know, because the menu board is over there. This is a good point. Yeah. Like, why are you taking orders? I have cars before I can see the menu. Because apparently what happens to Andy's is you have one thing that you get 100% of the time, and you never change your mind ever. So the fact that there is a menu apparently is just like, shocking. And so yeah, he'll be like, we were there. One time we went. We went a while ago. And we had like somebody in our car. Who doesn't go very much. And then we were like, well, we need to wait to see the manual. He's like, go to the website and look like, Oh, I was like, No,
Collin 38:15
get out my car. That is so
Brandon 38:18
that was not exactly his tone. But it was basically like, we could look it up on the website. Make sure yeah. Why do you have a menu board? Yeah, if you're
Collin 38:28
angry about their menu board, it sounds like they're just itching to get rid of that.
Brandon 38:32
Next time you go, it won't even be there. And it's it's weird to me that like I don't know the amount of people is is shocking, because like I when I was a kid I remember there was like, the one Andy's right. And it wasn't that busy.
Collin 38:51
No, I don't know
Brandon 38:51
what I mean. I'm like this, like Friday and Saturday night, sadly a lot of people there. But like it wasn't that busy. You could just and it was only a walk up counter. Yeah, maybe that's a problem. Maybe that's the problem. You had to walk up there. So that alleviated some things like but it was just a walk up counter and then even when they made that second one over on Campbell, like it was still just a walk up counter and had to get out of your car and goals. Yeah, and they're annoying and badly designed and they don't show you the menu clearly soon enough apparently. For grumpy iPad order boy to get ice cream ordered.
Collin 39:34
Just Google it. Okay, why don't you just go
Brandon 39:37
there? Just google the Andes menu, bro. Phone like, No, I haven't had any diesel. I don't like it. But I'm not like a big ice cream person. Right? Yes. Like, I don't really care. Susan loves Andy's so we always have to end up going there than
Collin 39:56
this parking lots mess.
Brandon 39:58
Even like the brand new ones they've built like They decided they designed the worst parking lot in the history of the unit I don't understand why they just stuck
40:06
with it or each one. Like no they're all going to be this bad like exactly there's no variation. This is what you get. Yeah no variation a theme all horrid
Collin 40:15
parking lot design. Wretched. Yeah,
Brandon 40:20
I just don't know who needs to such extreme in their life that there's like 70 cars and drive thru for Andy's like guys. You can't even eat have this while you're driving. It's like a huge cup with like, what are you doing? Oh, no. Yeah,
Collin 40:33
this is not a drive thru ice cream is so messy. I don't
Brandon 40:36
Yeah. What are you gonna drive to order a concrete? What do you what is this? Like?
Collin 40:43
I don't know. Nothing. You can't do anything through a straw. With a spoon. It melt. Yeah,
Brandon 40:48
it's either that or like a giant cone. Like their cones are enormous. Like what? I don't know. These are bad. These are bad sounds trying to be fancy but like messing up the drive thru logic of the world. Like,
Collin 41:06
be better people.
Brandon 41:09
Come on.
Collin 41:13
So last time, you teased us with Oh, yeah.
Brandon 41:18
You have more things for me to be angry back. Here
41:19
we go.
Collin 41:21
This is done. The floor is yours. I make sure we we you had Collins, you had said something about a book tube. Right. And I don't I don't know what this is.
Brandon 41:35
Okay, so I have all this is apparently been around for a while. But because I think what's happened is I have been searching for like mystery novels to read. Right? Yes. And so I've been like Googling, like, mystery, like stuff like that. Right. And I've been on some websites like crime reads and just other like book websites, you know. There's another I can't remember what it is that I've been on. lately. Sorry, other website that I been reading.
Collin 42:07
But Google
Brandon 42:10
has sold my results to YouTube, apparently. And I have been given these book tube slash book talk. Videos to look at. Oh, Joe. Right. So
Collin 42:27
okay, so this is a weird place.
Brandon 42:32
Okay, people on the internet talking about books is weird. And I think part of it is because they're all 23 years old. I think that appears to be the mean age, right? There are old people obviously, sure. They're very young. And they do weird things that I don't understand. Some old man. And I just want to read like, crime novels and Ernest Hemingway, kids I want Sumilon.
Collin 43:02
Right. But so,
Brandon 43:04
so I gotta figure how to sort my, my angst here. First of all,
43:12
I don't know what good
Brandon 43:13
is doing me to show me these videos because 0% of these people read crime novels. Okay, that's what that problem is number one, right? Like, I don't know why. I don't know why these got recommended to me. Because No, zero of them have been crime novels, right? They all appear to specialize in contemporary fiction.
Collin 43:31
And fantasy. That's kind of it
Brandon 43:35
a sprinkling in a dash of sci fi, if you will. Okay, but it's mostly contemporary fiction. Some of them even like romance black, and then like, fantasy novels. lots, and lots, and lots of fantasy novels.
Collin 43:54
So much fantasy,
Brandon 43:56
so much fantasy. I, again, I have a problem with fantasy novels, this isn't my own personal problem is that a lot of them are just the same trope in a different object. Right. So like, it's hard to find good fantasy for me, because I'm just too picky. Maybe I don't really know. But it's just a lot of the same stuff. Like it's hard to find, like interesting things in fantasy. Because a lot of it is just like, lazy, right? In my opinion. Am I expert have I read tons of modern fantasy? No, but like, the stuff I have read the stuff that I've seen and like that's just this, like, it's all the same anyway. Lots of people read that stuff. And so there's this phenomenon like I'm understanding that this community on the internet is shifting huge amounts of books, right. They are apparently responsible for driving in decent number of book sales in the last like two years. Just Insane. Okay, I was watching the thing, and they're like, people are listening to this watching it and they are buying and reading these books like candy.
Collin 45:12
So are they? Are they reviewing books? Are they talking to authors? Are they talking about genres? Like,
Brandon 45:18
what are some of them? Okay, so the ones that I found that I like, are the ones that talk about genres and tropes. And then some of them are reading books and doing like reviews about them. Right? Pretty Okay, that's pretty standard stuff, right? Other ones are just, there's also a lot of other weird side content that we're gonna get to in a minute, but like, like, so that's kind of the crux of it. Right. And, again, this is definitely done to varying degrees of success. Like I said, there's about two to three of these, I found that I actually like, the rest of them were like, what, what are you talking about? Right? Like, I don't like how they talk about the books. They don't like, again, part of that, because a lot of the books they're picking are not books that I would read. Right? Because like, contemporary fiction, I'm just not, that's not what I want in my life. Right? I don't. That's not what I read. Right? So it's not for me, you know. But one of the things it's odd, is that they're all reading. There's like, 12,000 videos about like, the same books. Right? So especially new books, like, Oh, these new books came out. And then like, everybody makes a video about Oh, I
Collin 46:42
hate that.
Brandon 46:44
Now, this happens in all online communities. Yeah. Because it's the new thing, and whatever, and, you know, whatever. But here's something that I've found that might be problematic. I'm gonna compare this to guitar YouTube for a moment, because this same phenomenon happened in guitar, YouTube, right? New thing comes out. Everybody makes video about thing. Right? It's how it works. It makes sense. It's new.
Collin 47:19
But in the Guitar World,
Brandon 47:23
a lot of times the company will send this thing to you, with the understanding that you're going to make a video about it, because and that will drive their sales
Collin 47:34
because you're a reviewer, right? Yeah, you're a reviewer.
Brandon 47:37
And so you get product now, in the guitar music community, it is extraordinarily taboo to receive a product from a company and not disclosed that you received it for free. Because that community will crucify you online. If you don't do that. They're like, paid shill you're just bought up like they will they go hard, they get their feelings hurt very easily. It's very weird. But rightly so. Right. So all guitar videos basically now have like, paid promotion on it, even if they're not like paid sometimes, right? Like it's like you just got the product for free to try it. Yeah, sometimes you have to send it back. Sometimes you get to keep it whatever, but they will be like disclaimers paid promotion plan plan plan. I bring this up because booktube does not have this but some of these people are receiving copies for the publisher before the book comes out. And there does not seem to be a disclaimer paid promotional video. Oh no. That's clean owes in anywhere anywhere in the now I couldn't I haven't watched all of them obviously because there's like a billion billions of these. But like the ones that I have seen about like new books. Yeah. Like and I can't I don't know if but they don't say things like I just bought this book. Or I was just so they only would say that they're just like I just finished this book. That's all they say. Right? For their like reviews. And I know that the publishing company because I read a thing somewhere else. I read that the publishing companies are sending some of these people
Collin 49:27
copies both for the book is officially released. That's a that's an FCC violation. Yeah, like right
Brandon 49:39
that is like an FCC thing and so I don't know if I just missed it I don't know if it's like technically there in like the video description like hidden I didn't find it but it does not appear to be easily seeable. And so it's like
49:55
kind of grimy guys like what do you
Brandon 49:59
do? Yeah, I like you guys read a lot of books you didn't read the FCC guidelines as I was telling me.
Collin 50:07
You know, I, I'm, I'm acutely aware of this, because in the podcasting world, a few big podcasts just got slammed for not disclosing financial things like that ahead of time, to the extent that the host read ad that was in the middle of an episode was deemed not distinct enough, from the rest of the rest of that, to make it immediately noticeable. And so they have all these rules. And so you have to say, like, this, you know, this shows brought to you by or, Hey, I'm reviewing this product that was given to me by like, that's just standard practice law
Brandon 50:48
stuff. Because I know there's a couple of guitars, there's at least one guitar podcast, and it's too sometimes and they will be like, because it's very like us, right? They just sort of chatting and blah, blah, they'll be like, it's now time to read from today's sponsor of the episode, like they just bought that, like, they just stop and like, blap. Like, it's a very abrupt right. And so,
Collin 51:07
so yeah, like, again,
Brandon 51:10
I haven't, I've only been seeing these videos from the past, like a week. So I could be, I'm making this statement, knowing that I could have missed something. But the first one of the first things that jumped out to me is they don't appear to be disclosing the fact whether they bought the book themselves, or they received it because because the guitar people now, they, at the beginning of almost anything, they will say, I bought
Collin 51:36
this or they will say so and so sent this to me. Right? That's how they
Brandon 51:45
start. Right? That's a that's kind of a thing in that world, because it is a big, like, it's a it is a big thing, right? Because if you're thinking about it, if you're making a review, it does kind of make a difference if you paid for it yourself or somebody gave it to you.
Collin 52:00
Right? It could influence your
Brandon 52:03
opinion, one way or the other. I'm not saying it will 100%. But I'm saying it is possible that that would happen. So disclosing that is kind of a big deal. So if you want to book for free, you need to tell people that
Collin 52:16
well. And and and and they also need to be disclosing if there are anything like links in the show notes that would they could benefit from financially.
Brandon 52:26
Yeah, I haven't seen too many that they haven't pointed those out. So I don't know if that's the thing like
Collin 52:30
that's, I love doing that I'm going Hey, links to the shownotes go and see. And nine times out of 10 it is an Amazon affiliate link.
Brandon 52:38
Yeah, they are not like an actual
Collin 52:40
link to like a, they are legally required to disclose those as well, because we're actually, sidenote here, for our other podcast. We use Amazon affiliate links. And when you sign up for that, you have to tell Amazon like where you're going to use them how you're going to use them who you are, blah, blah, blah. Well, yeah, I did not have it properly displayed or disclosed on my website to their backs. Yeah, so they actually closed our account, and gave us 60 days to change it. Otherwise, they would delete everything. And so
53:19
I'm gonna make sense, because they'll get in trouble too, right? So you're gonna be like, No, fix your thing.
Collin 53:24
So what I had to do is at the bottom of every page in every footer I put, this is a listener and reader supported show, as an Amazon associate, we may earn from qualifying purchases on some links on this website.
Brandon 53:36
Yeah, that's what that's the kind of generally what you see. Yeah. And a lot of places that says something like
Collin 53:41
that. Yeah, or, and so, but you also need that in like in your show notes or in the
Brandon 53:47
like, anytime you post your description or your pinned comment, right? To say,
Collin 53:50
this is an Amazon affiliate, you have to tell them that so I would be very curious to know if they were doing that in this process as well.
Brandon 53:56
That's true. I should go back and look at that. I haven't I haven't been looking through much do that. Because I've been watching the videos and being like, what is happening? Why is what's going on? So that's the number one problem that I have discovered. They just sort of like, the uncertainty about that, like, kind of was like this is weird and like, oh, I don't know. Like it's not just it's not conveyed? Well, if at all in some instances, right. So like,
Collin 54:28
that kind of threw me a little bit Sure.
Brandon 54:34
Lots of other videos, right. The world's most boring video, the bookshelf tour. Here's the thing, no staple of this. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah,
Collin 54:43
I'll just like these.
Brandon 54:48
I kind of want to put a picture of my bookshelf just on the internet so that these people could like cringe at the stacked nonsense that is my book. These bookshelves imagine like Like a bookstore, bookshelf, like the with the front facing books. And just like the really weird, like, a lot of people's bookshelves look like that. It's distressing, how organized they are. For my personality that likes clutter, it's too much and I don't really like it. But that's just an aesthetic thing. But that's like the vibe, there's always a bookshelf in the background. It always has like, very neatly stacked Sorted Books, right, like curated just so with your front facing covers, and you're like, all your series together. Oh, you know, that's perfect. I think it's a normal person thing, my books on my bookshelf and like, the order that I read them, so they're just kind of like it's fine, don't worry about it. So that's the thing. But they're really boring to watch. Like, I don't know who's watching these. Like, it's just like a person like, walking around, like talking about the books on their shelf. And it's like,
Collin 56:03
okay, what value does that bring to people other than Yeah, they're just, it's just peacocking at that point. Like, that's all Yeah, thing. Like, like, I
Brandon 56:10
don't know what you're doing that for?
Collin 56:15
Yeah, it's weird.
Brandon 56:18
The book haul video, where you either unbox a bunch of books you bought from the internet, or, or vlog style footage of you shopping in a bookstore, followed by a sit down portion where you discuss the books that you bought, and why you bought them.
56:42
Oh, this is
Brandon 56:43
really, really painful. It's kind of weird, right? Like I said, the ones that I like, are the ones there's this one lady who talks a lot about like, like, she'll pick like, a specific thing about a book. Like she's really into fantasy. She'll, she'll talk about like, magic systems, and like, which authors make good magic systems that makes sense. And, and how that contributes to the story better. And like, like, that's, like, analysis. Yeah, like, make sense to that that's adding to the discussion. Or like, she'll talk about like, oh, this trope, like, why this trope is, like, tropes I hate boom, or tropes that are overused, but I love them anyway. And I don't care, right, like or death in a novel, how to use it, like, strongly or, like, why the reincarnation tropes sucks majorly, like, why, like, that's one of the big ones, it's great. But like, this is
Collin 57:37
kind of this this kind of sounding like, some of the were the other worlds that are like this, I'm just gonna throw this out there. Like, like, like interior design, in a sense, like, like cabins. Like there's a thing called out there, you know, there's, there's cabin core, there's food, there's pens, you know, the stationary, like, there's a world that does this, but it's, it's only like, look at me, look what I'm doing. Look what I have. Which is, which is on some extent, it's nice to see pretty things. It's nice to see things. Yeah. On the other side, it's so shallow, it doesn't give you anything.
58:19
Right? Yeah,
Brandon 58:20
fountain pen reviews are like that. I watched a bunch of those when I first got into like writing with fountain pens and stuff.
Collin 58:25
And they're like,
Brandon 58:27
really weird, because they just end up comparing everything to like their $1,000 pen, and you're like that is lame and not helpful. And why do you just keep bringing up that you have this pin all the time? Like, that's weird. Yeah, they just like PEDOT right? There's like eyebrows. Like, it's weird, right? Oh, well,
58:49
this, this $15 thing is fine. But it's nothing like this from straight from Japan. You're like,
Collin 58:54
oh my gosh, ah, I could see how this is a very, very in line
Brandon 59:00
with leans into that, right? Like another one of the other guys that actually like to watch. He's like a literature major. And he will just like, read like, he'll like some of the videos that are hilarious is he'll read like, books that celebrities recommend. And he'll be like, you know, he'll just kind of give his review on those books if he's never had them before. Okay, so those are kind of funny. Those are funny, right? They're entertaining because he'll be like, Yo, what this is trash. Why don't ever read it like, those are funny, right? Or like he ordered. One of them was like he ordered some books from Etsy that like are just supposed to be for design. Like you can buy books like, like interior designers buy them right like, you can buy a set of books that are like blue. Sure. And that's there. They're just like curated to be of a similar design aesthetic. So you can use them interior design. Yeah, but he bought some and he read them.
Collin 59:55
This is this is good. That's that's a that's a take on it. Take that put hat
Brandon 1:00:00
on hat. It was really funny that he was supposed to do it. It was like, no, no, he was like, surprisingly this one's good, right? No, like, yeah. So those are like, Those ones are good. But like,
Collin 1:00:10
but they have because they have an angle. And importantly, they have an opinion about Yeah, yes. The book shelf tour. Not cool, right? Ah. And then sounds like you were saving the best for last.
Brandon 1:00:30
Oh, I haven't I even showed one of these videos to Susan. And she was like, Oh, my gosh, why?
Collin 1:00:42
There is the TBR game. Sorry, what, bro? You'd I can't
Brandon 1:00:50
it's called they call them the monthly TBR game TBR apparently stands for to be read. Right? So these people, not everyone does this. By the way. This is important to know. This, I have to say this. Not every person that I have been investigating does these. But because I started where I guess it's been two weeks now I started watching these about around the beginning of the month. This is when they happen. Right? So they will pick the books that they will read in the coming month. Okay, what do you think that they just go? And to their pile of books? And pick a book that they think sounds interesting and read it?
Collin 1:01:39
Oh, no. Dear listener, that would be far too simple.
Brandon 1:01:44
You can't make a 20 minute YouTube video out of that. Do you know what you can make a 20 minute YouTube video doing
Collin 1:01:52
playing the most convoluted,
Brandon 1:01:56
ridiculous game that you've ever seen in your entire life? That is half rules half made up on the spot to choose the books and the amount of books that you will read in the coming month for your channel.
Collin 1:02:11
That's why Okay, let me explain. I know. So
Brandon 1:02:18
usually how this works is okay, this is the most convoluted thing you're ever going to hear in your life. So strap in and hold on. These people make these like prompts
Collin 1:02:32
that are like
Brandon 1:02:34
one books with one word title, or like, Oh, no like that. And they put them in cups. Okay. And then some of them have, it's often played on a calendar. Okay, so you have a little token game piece, and you put it on the calendar, and then you have some dice. And you roll it, and you just move along the calendar like chutes and ladders
Collin 1:03:02
to get to the end.
Brandon 1:03:05
That's how you that's your game board. Now some of them have devised these very convoluted things where they put bonus marks on certain numbers on the calendar, right? Because they have different levels of prompts. They have like normal prompts, like some weird thing, they have like hard mode prompt. And they'll use like these convoluted ways to put these marks on their calendar. So that when their game piece lands on that determines which bin you choose your prompt from. Write, sometimes there are convoluted rules about if you have two marks on one, you can try to combine the two prompts from two separate jugs into choosing one book for yourself. Yes, I don't follow either. And I'm explaining it. They have? Like, I don't know, I don't know. I would say they do this. And they go through all this. And this is how they choose what books and how many books to read. And some of the numbers these people land on is
Collin 1:04:14
idiotic. I don't know what
Brandon 1:04:17
they're doing with the rest of their lives. But some of these people make videos that have titles such as I only read 15 books this month. And here's what they are.
Collin 1:04:29
Yeah. Yeah. Whoa, what? How? How are you reading 15 books?
Brandon 1:04:39
What do you wonder what kind of what kind of books they range anywhere from, like, contemporary fantasy novels that are like 600 pages long. contemporary fiction, again, they're mostly contemporary fiction, romance fantasy. Every once in a while. There's a sprinkle of YA and They're right. A couple of them read middle. Like there'll be like a middle grade fiction book. I don't know why you're reading that. That's weird. But like, I mean, they're fine, I guess, but like, not looking down on middle grade fiction, but like, it's a weird thing to read if you're like, 35, right, like, whatever. Reading books about seventh graders and 35 years old, it seems a bit weird to me. I don't know. Like, why I kind of get but like middle grade really? Like they're what? But sometimes these people will read, they will actually read 20 Plus books a month. How?
Collin 1:05:44
Yeah, what that makes you wonder a lot. It does. Right. Like, I understand.
Brandon 1:05:52
reading speed varies.
1:05:55
Okay. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Like,
Brandon 1:05:57
you can read quickly. You can read slowly,
Collin 1:05:59
whatever. But
Brandon 1:06:04
if you're reading 23 books a month, like, how fast are you going to these books? Yeah, like I'm not you know, I'm whatever people read differently.
Collin 1:06:15
Now, but that is,
Brandon 1:06:21
that seems astronomically ridiculous to me. Well, and I wonder, because do that consistently?
Collin 1:06:28
Yeah, like to do that all the time? Because I do wonder, as far as that goes, how many of these people are a let's be honest, actually reading them be? What is the percentage of them who, like I can imagine it'd be different if this was their like, their job a job?
1:06:48
Like, for
Brandon 1:06:49
some of these people, like it appears that they have day jobs? Right.
Collin 1:06:56
Oh, that. Oh, that. But even still, like, yeah, that's, that's the hardest reading is. Listening listeners write in and tell us if you've read how many books you read a month? Yeah.
Brandon 1:07:12
Is it 23? I have a hard,
Collin 1:07:15
hard time for that.
Brandon 1:07:17
I have a hard time buying this as well. Right for Okay, so a couple couple problems I have with this in particular, right? A couple. So number one, I am questioning how much you're getting out of this book. Oh, this is a good point. If you're like blitzing through it, right? I understand there are people that speed read the number of people that can do that can't be this
Collin 1:07:41
high. Right? Like, I feel like
Brandon 1:07:45
this is savant levels of reading we're talking about here. And that's just not what's gonna happen. And usually, like,
Collin 1:07:53
it's hard to hold on
Brandon 1:07:55
to a lot of detail. And like Nuance if you're blitzing through books that fast. Right. So these people that are like, Oh, my gosh, I just love everything about this book. I read it in seven hours. Like, I don't know if I believe you. Right? I find it hard to believe. I'm not saying it's impossible. Sure. I'm saying I'm questioning you. Write. I have questions about this. Yeah. So just for a personal level, I find it hard to understand how much enjoyment you're getting out of a book, reading in that fashion. If you are just like blasting through this book, it's almost like skimming, basically, on how much
1:08:40
huh, it 100%
Collin 1:08:41
Is skip that point.
Brandon 1:08:45
Like, again, I'm not sure I don't know. I don't know your life. I don't know your words per minute, right? Like, I could test you, I know how to do this. But like, I'm not going to do that. It'd be weird. Like, how much enjoyment? Are you actually getting out of this? I have questions about that. Right? As a person who likes to just kind of sit and chill and read some Right? Like, as read Oh, sit, hang out and read like it's a
Collin 1:09:09
it's like a vibe, right? Like, that's
Brandon 1:09:12
part of the enjoyment of reading for me is like the vibe that goes with it of like, sit around, maybe got your tea or your coffee or whatever it is like, you know, like chillin, right? That's an important part of the reading process. You know, for like reading for fun, right? I think that's important. You know, being comfortable. That's, that's that's part of it, you know? And so here's like, like Are you enjoying the book? Did you enjoy Did you really enjoy that? Or, you know, are you getting a lot of like deeper meaning again, I don't know how much deep meaning is in like all like modern fantasy or whatever. But like, are you picking up that stuff?
Collin 1:09:52
Right? Are you using good, good discussion about when? Like, like, I'm sure many people got into this because they obviously I enjoyed reading and enjoyed books to some extent one would hope and assume. Yeah. How much of enjoyment? Is it still? For them at that apple? Right, exactly. Like, are they just because again, it's like, check your motives like, are you doing this just so you can say you did it? Like, are you doing this just so that you can, again, the peacocking that's going on here of like, yeah, bookshelf, look at my number of books like you are now just doing this as an exhibitionist at some point of this. I'm in a weird twisted way.
Brandon 1:10:32
Yeah, so that brings me to my second point of what sort of unrealistic expectations does that put on your viewers?
Collin 1:10:39
For their reading? Right, right.
Brandon 1:10:42
How does that translate to random person who reads just occasionally for leisure? Because they have a full time job and like two kids, right? Like, what sort of unrealistic expectations is it to put on them that you are reading 20 books a month? And that's normal. Right? I only read 15 books this month.
Collin 1:11:05
Hahaha. Like, I'm slacking like,
Brandon 1:11:10
what what sort of pressure does that put on the community? To like,
Collin 1:11:15
keep up? Yeah. And to continue to perform? Yeah, yeah. Because that's
Brandon 1:11:23
unrealistic expectations to put on this in the highlighter.
Collin 1:11:30
Like, why would you? Like that just
Brandon 1:11:35
sort of foster this wheel. You said that weird be like, hyper competitive aware? Like, reading becomes, I read this many books.
Collin 1:11:47
Right? Like, that's not
Brandon 1:11:50
really what it's about, you know what I mean? Like, that's not helpful. That doesn't like, is it does does winning reading matter to you? Is that what you're trying to do? When are you doing like, how does that work?
Collin 1:12:03
It really perverts what they're trying to do in the very beginning, right?
Brandon 1:12:08
Yeah, cuz if you want to be like, enjoy this book, right? Like, everybody that's gonna look different to everybody,
Collin 1:12:12
right? Like,
Brandon 1:12:15
I don't have to sit down. Like, for me, that's just me personally think like to enjoy a book, I do not have to sit down and read the entire book in one sitting. That's not how this works, right? That's not how I roll. Number one, I don't have the attention span for such things. But like, what are the time for such things, you know, like, is being wrapped up in this world of like, Oh, you have to do this. And you have to do that? Is this putting like, unhealthy expectations on viewers and fellow readers to perform and do what you're doing? Right? It seems weird to me to do that. Like it's not a contest, man. Like you just
Collin 1:12:59
read a book like is that? I don't know. It's,
Brandon 1:13:03
it's it's really strange to me like I really it's really weird.
Collin 1:13:10
Well, but again, if they are doing this in this boy, your words, voyeuristic exhibitionist kind of way of having the attention on them. It says the motivations are extremely selfish. And I'm not trying to judge everybody in the booktube community. But I do see this across sorry, I will not place a bot there. I'm not trying to judge everybody in the booktube community. I see this kind of behavior across a lot of kinds of communities. It's true, right like that, when people start to kind of take this and turn it and mutate original expectations. And it turns into this flashy. Look at me look at what's going on. Look at how I'm doing this. It changes the I guess their motivation shift? Probably. Yeah,
Brandon 1:13:58
I think I think that's accurate. Right? Like, yeah. Because, yeah, why are you doing itself? Like, I don't know. It's
Collin 1:14:09
weird. Well, then many of those communities, and I know this is a problem on YouTube, of once you start doing that kind of content that kind of feeds into itself, because what gets the most views, typically the most extreme perverted versions of what you started out doing in the first place. And so you have to continue to do that. And then you have to continue to feed the beast and then you have to continue to do more and more and change the prompts and then change the number of cards that are on there. So you don't have an option to ever read just one or just
Brandon 1:14:44
some of these people. Some of these people play two TBR games at once,
Collin 1:14:49
to get the reading lists. What exactly right. Why? Well, because everyone else is doing one reading list a month, so I have to do two and sure somebody's gonna do three And then it's like, at what point did somebody step back? And like, like you've been doing is asking, do you actually enjoy this? Like, if you got if, obviously, you're good at reading, because you can read this many books. Are you enjoying it? Right? Like, right? Like, we assume, like, I don't know, I think of things like a craft, like if you really enjoyed woodworking, and then all of a sudden you're like, Well, I've got to make 9000 pieces of wood carved whatever trinkets this month, well, that stops being enjoyable for you, because then you're just manufacturing them and you lose the reason to use a craft, you lose the ability, like those other channels that you mentioned, to have an interesting take. There's no way that every single one of those people who are reading 22 books from this weird list has an interesting and unique take an opinion about every single one of them and how they fit into the larger context of it.
Brandon 1:15:57
They're definitely don't have a unique take, that's for sure. A lot of them are just like the same thing.
Collin 1:16:03
And you see that in you see that in Guitar reviews, I see a lot you do Absolutely. A lot of that, like technology reviews where Oh, I just got my new iPhone today. Hey, look, the screens bigger. Look how bright it is. Look at this cool photo. Anyway, thanks, guys. See you later. And it's like, oh my gosh, like, ah, but to actually have. So I actually enjoy when those kind of reviews come out, I'm actually looking for something. I really liked to watch the reviews that come out like a month later, or whatever, for somebody who's sat with it and used it and, and thought about their perspective. And then they're not competing with all the noise to just get it out there. And the flashbang kind of production. So
Brandon 1:16:45
my favorite guitar reviews for guitar pedals are there are some people that will do these things where they're like, we'll have another person help them. And they'll do blindfold reviews of like the same like style of guitar pedal. And they'll like put them behind the board. Right? They'll like hide them. And they have like, the whole price range, like the cheapest one all the way up to like the most expensive one. And it's just like a person playing be like No, I love that one. That's my favorite one. And it's like it sometimes it's hilarious, because it's like, the cheap one. And it's like, boom, yeah. See, it's not about the dollar value. It's not about this. It's about what do you think sounds the coolest write? Books, right? It's
1:17:26
not like, oh, everyone's
Brandon 1:17:27
reading this book. So it must be good. Like, no,
Collin 1:17:32
no, I like art. No.
Brandon 1:17:34
Right. The other reason I can't trust them these booktubers is because some of them have I watched some of their list of like their all time favorite classic novels and they have The Picture of Dorian Gray very high up on the list and
1:17:49
I can't get behind that trash. That is one of the worst books I've ever read my entire life. So I can't really know how trustworthy these evil are. Likes Dorian Gray. Do you really love a
Brandon 1:18:03
Picture of Dorian Gray? Do you think it's great? I there's one one reviewer was talking about this. I don't even remember who it was just a random one I watched. And he was ragging on some authors of that same time period for being overly descriptive. Right? And like talking about how, like I don't really need to know what the carpet in every room looks like. He's talking about like Daniel Defoe and like, some other people, right? And then, and then he goes and leaves a Picture of Dorian Gray is like one of his favorite novels of all time. I was like, dude, have you not? That's what Oscar Wilde is doing in that book.
1:18:44
Like, all it is right? It's all it is.
Brandon 1:18:48
The whole thing is like description of carpet and couches and rugs, right? Like tapestries and curtains. Like, I understand why he's doing it. Right. It makes sense. Why? Because he's trying to describe the opulence that Dorian lives in and how perfect everything is perfect and like it's like juxtaposing, like the ideal thing against the real world but it's boring and it's it's like just the whole book is that like I get it move on oh my gosh,
Collin 1:19:22
it's ridiculous. Like
Brandon 1:19:25
So yeah, those are my main thoughts on this phenomenon sounds
Collin 1:19:29
alien entertaining.
Brandon 1:19:33
It's very there's also have like a very
Collin 1:19:37
forgot about this part.
Brandon 1:19:37
This is a separate price. So this is like a side. It's like a offshoot of the things that are just odd. There's like a, of
Collin 1:19:46
course, it's it's a medium.
Brandon 1:19:52
This this community is dominated predominantly by like, younger adults at this point, like most people I see appear very much younger than Me,
Collin 1:20:00
right? And so
Brandon 1:20:03
also all of them read fantasy. So there's a great number of Harry Potter related videos. Right as as, you know, whatever. It's fine. Good books, right? I like them. They're fine. But the number of videos that are like, Yo, did you know this about Harry Potter? Like, dude? Oh, because 25 years old, still trying to you stop. Like, I understand you like it? I understand it's pretty good. You're not gonna really have too many like new hot takes for me, right? Is it a book? That's like 25 years old at this point? It is
Collin 1:20:43
so widely read. This is Yeah, big problem with a lot of content about it's not at fault. I don't I don't know where I fall on this. Because I do I do struggle with this. Because they are having many people who go back and read those books in real time, like, are reading those books in real time, or just discovering them now have all of the same thoughts and emotion that many of us experienced? Yeah, one two years ago?
Brandon 1:21:12
That's because that's what yeah, that's what everyone says
Collin 1:21:16
that was books about, you know, truly wind. Yeah, you know, whatever.
Brandon 1:21:21
Or the outsiders can see our seven part series, our seven part c, we're booktubers. Oh, we're technically booktubers. We have a set listeners, we have a seven part, basically literary analysis dissertation about the outsiders. So we need to do more of that is what is true. It's on the list of things to do again,
Collin 1:21:43
yes. But what is, and it's tough because people 20 years ago, were in real time blogging about their interactions, there were a whole communities developed to figuring stuff out and going into the lore and all the stuff. It is awkward whenever that is now out of the initial when it takes me out of the first phase, first phase, right. And the second, third, fourth, waves calm, and people. Now I think even more so than 20 years ago, a lot more. So now that 20 years ago, there is this impetus to immediately publish and release my opinions about this thing right now, in real time, let as part of our social media culture and part of our 24/7 stream of consciousness that we must have online at all times. Instead of I'm going to tie this back to angry Andy's ordering iPad guy of like, taking a moment and Googling for a little bit. And going, has anybody else had this thought before? And I don't? That is hard. And I don't because I feel like when I say that it's kind of like old man yells at clouds. But I will say I mean, yeah, like in, in when I was, you know, in scientific literature, you have to do that. You have to research you have to go, Hey, I am just now reading on the origin of species for the very first time. I have thoughts. Oh,
1:23:03
sloppy code seems if anybody else ever read this little book
Collin 1:23:07
that that process helps progress literary analysis, ideas, concepts over time. If we continue to think we have to start from zero, like nothing else has existed before I have come into the world. If we have that mindset, nothing new gets created, we can have no new thoughts or perspectives on something, and it won't change. Because it's just like this. What happens and so instead of getting more complex ideas over time, about the interaction, or more in depth analysis about Harry Potter, we get Ooh, did you know that this thing happened? And this? Like it's like, oh, okay, like that's Yes, I
Brandon 1:23:47
did. Yeah. Did you read this in the book? Like, yeah,
Collin 1:23:51
how about putting it? How about putting it into the perspective of where the current, you know, fantasy literary world exists today and how it stands up compared to other novels or how his tell me how this book has influenced ones down the line? Because yeah, nobody was writing about that in real time. No, we couldn't, I think had been influenced because those were the books we had. So
Brandon 1:24:12
tell me, that's the other thing I wanted to bring up with you specifically?
Collin 1:24:16
Because
Brandon 1:24:20
when Harry Potter was published, you are the target
Collin 1:24:22
audience. Right? Yes.
Brandon 1:24:24
Like it was
1:24:25
you squarely.
Brandon 1:24:27
Like? Well, I mean, this book came out in 1997. Right. All right. 9697. Yeah. So I, you know, I know it like it. Like wasn't like when the first book came out. It was just like, whatever. Right? I don't think it was on anybody's radar until like, I mean, some people like oh, this is pretty cool until there was like at least two or three of them that people like yo, hey, gang these now. But because you were like those books are kind of written As a they're basically a coming of age story, right? And they're sort of designed in a way that as the reader matures, the material matures. All right? Yes. That's like, that's how they're written. It's very interesting, right? Because not a lot of other books series do this.
Collin 1:25:22
So like, the first book is
Brandon 1:25:25
pretty like chill, because it's kind of designed to be read by people that are the same age as the the trio, right? And so like, you know, varying, publishing release dates and stuff, it's kind of designed to the reader is kind of supposed to start reading them.
Collin 1:25:42
When they're like, Well, I
Brandon 1:25:44
don't 1112 Something like that. However old they are. And
Collin 1:25:51
like, 12, right. All right. And then like, that's when you're supposed to read the first one. And then you're supposed to,
Brandon 1:26:00
as you're growing up, you read the rest of them? Yes, it's a very unique, it's a very unique experience doing that. And it's a very different experience from doing that. Then reading them all. Like, when you're 12, or like, some people do like reading them all, when you're like,
Collin 1:26:18
20. Right? That's
Brandon 1:26:20
extremely different experience.
Collin 1:26:23
If you sit down and binge, the Harry Potter series, in your 20s, or 30s, and you just read them one after the other over the course of two months, let's say three months. That is not as impactful as I don't Okay. I am not saying you're doing it wrong. But but to have you're
Brandon 1:26:44
saying this is there's a very, I think you participated in the extremely unique experience of reading those books, as they republished literally
Collin 1:26:53
grew up with them. Because, yeah, year or year and a half, there was a new book, and it was like, Oh, when I am now as I'm going from sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, ninth grade, 10th grade 11th grade like I have been reading these books for now, seven years. Exactly. And, and now, the protagonist at the end of the story, there are a lot more like you can go back and read go to the Philosopher's Stone, the concepts in there the trials, the issues that they are grappling with extremely simplistic right. Interpersonal relationships are very surface the complexities of relationships between characters, the problems going on in the world are very, very black and white, very simple. By the seventh book,
Brandon 1:27:45
yeah, it is.
Collin 1:27:49
You have you have suffered breakups, right? Which, like, nobody in sixth grade is experiencing breakups. Like, yeah, like, okay, okay, whatever. Like, when you are now approaching 18, like the protagonist of the book, and you experienced a breakup or missed opportunities or questioning about what you could have done better or false. And now you've experienced deaths, right in your life, and they have experienced death and how they grieve and the struggles and the themes get much more complex. And there's definitely a shift, especially in the movies of like, it gets really dark. And it's very palette. Right, right. Yeah, just look at the color choice between the last one
Brandon 1:28:32
that is it is accurate, right? It's a bit lazy filmmaking, but it is. I mean, it's like it's the tone right? It makes sense. Like it does that they do get darker, right part of that feature of like having a different director every movie but like, just totally the movie even if you if you only have watched movies, right like it. It's a big shift from like, the happy
Collin 1:28:55
in the bookstore because it gets really dark and depressing and scary. Yeah.
Brandon 1:28:59
It's it's a lot scarier in the end than it is in the beginning. Right? Like
Collin 1:29:03
massive upheaval, turmoil, family strife. You know, there's a lot going on there that the first book was just like, doop, doop, doop, look at this beautiful place. And it's so literally magical, right? Yeah.
1:29:14
But you're seeing that world through the eyes of a 12 year old,
Collin 1:29:19
right? Yes. Yeah. And then your old experienced it, too. Yeah.
Brandon 1:29:23
And that that experience is exacerbated when you are or very close to 12 years old. Yeah. Like, like you were, you know what I mean?
Collin 1:29:31
So I feel like I don't know. It's just, it's a very
Brandon 1:29:35
unique experience doing that. And I feel like that's something that some of these people miss when they talk about it. Because like, they just read it in like, apparently a weekend right, apparently, because you read you know, 70 books a month, but
Collin 1:29:49
like to say when the when the Harry Potter series were being released, right? The goal was amongst your nerdy friends, is that you all went on your own, and your parents take you to like the MIT Knight release are opening at Barnes and Noble or Walmart to buy the book. And then the goal was to try and have as much read as possible before you got to school the next day. So that's,
Brandon 1:30:12
I mean, that's I remember you doing this listening was also Colin was Colin also did the thing where like, as we related coming up to release, he would just systematically re reread the entire series.
Collin 1:30:24
I said, it's been over a year, right?
Brandon 1:30:26
I know, I know, I'm not saying I'm not saying and I guarantee you're not the only person that did this, right? I'm just saying, This is how it went. Right? I remember this. I remember being like,
1:30:37
he'll be a cadaver. Luckily, I just finished his second book, because I probably started this morning. What are the words? Like?
Collin 1:30:43
Yeah, and then you would, you know, talk over it. So that was one aspect, but that is experiencing book releases in real time is one thing, I think experiencing book releases that are written to the age audience, about the protagonist and the main themes of that they were experiencing in real time. That is a different phenomenon. And I think that is exactly one of the reasons why Harry Potter caught on was not just because it was, I think it's well written. I think there is very good, I do enjoy it a lot. And I think that Rowling wrote a very good concise, not perfect, but but well done. But who does, right? Yeah, but to the readers. And she nailed that she nailed exactly the sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, ninth grade, 10th, grade 11th grade to 12th grade, like and beyond and like,
Brandon 1:31:32
yeah, I feel like she really did right. I feel like that's a very,
Collin 1:31:36
you can't capture that. Like, obviously, and then it stopped. And because I'm going back, I'm reading a lot of to the kids a lot of older books, and like, oh, like Nancy, Nancy Clancy, but like Nancy Drew, and the Hardy Boys like, oh, yeah, the kids don't ever age. Like, it's kind of like the Sunday morning cartoons. It's they're always they're always in the same grade. They're always doing the same stuff. They're always doing this, like, Yeah, nothing ever changes. And from a marketing perspective, that's obviously better, because there's always new people at that age.
Brandon 1:32:11
But when you're like, Man, the kids in South Park have been in fourth grade for 25 years. This is kind of weird, right? Like, exactly.
Collin 1:32:20
To some other things there. To actually have the, I'm gonna say the, the, I don't want to say courage that's overdrawn, but to have the gumption to say no, this is a progression from point A to point because it could have just been Harry's wizarding world of wonders for six years or whatever infant
Brandon 1:32:40
I mean, yeah, very easily could have right, like it could have been. But she know, just like, seven different books about 12 year old Harry, right, that could have happened. Yeah. But that would have been not near as cool, right? No, it made
Collin 1:32:54
that's what made it really special in that moment, to capture that. And really, for those of us who were able to experience that in real time, and not to say that you can't experience this now, because if you're going through this, just wait to read the textbook, I mean, just, but it's true. Wait,
Brandon 1:33:10
wait a year between every book your
Collin 1:33:14
parents, buy your children, all seven of them, but only keep them on a bookshelf, but only get that one or you're not allowed
1:33:21
to read. They're
1:33:23
kind of helpful anyway. But I
Brandon 1:33:25
think that's also like that particular phenomena, like the real time release, right? That's what helped, like, boost the fandom, right? Especially like, you know, after you read the first one, it's kind of like, oh, okay, well, like, you know, like I said, I don't remember it really blowing up after the first one. Right? Yeah. But like, when you have this time, now, you have all this time between releases to be like,
Collin 1:33:51
Yo, what's gonna happen the next one, right? Like, when you think
Brandon 1:33:55
about that, and you sort of like, it's just a building, right? And then the second one comes out, and then now more people are reading it. And then that is gap between two and three. Now you have more people being like, Yo, what does this mean? What does this mean? What's this character going to do? Right, like you have this, like, that real time phenomenon. It's just kind of like, sort of snowballing, where people are talking and speculating and, you know, coming to the fandom and doing that kind of stuff. So it's just like, it's like, kind of builds in this really weird, organic way that way? Well, I'm not saying that's bad. We're saying that's how it got to where we are now. That's I'm not saying like it's, you know, bad or whatever. But like, Yeah,
Collin 1:34:31
well, because each time a new one was released. Now you had another piece of the puzzle. And then the next year, devouring that one in all of the other literature that came beforehand. Yeah. And being on Pottermore was one of the first website communities as I was a part of, in order to enter you had they had a little Quizlet of like, take your sorting hat quiz and whatever. Like you had to do that to get in. But then you could just sit and everyone could talk about and you He really did. That was a lot of like, like,
1:35:03
investigative forces, deep dive and stuff right there.
Collin 1:35:07
That's all you had. That's all you add, you just add the first three books, and then the fourth book, and then you just deepen that. And it really helps that by the time that the fifth one came out, there's just a ravenous rush to, to get that all. Yeah.
Brandon 1:35:22
I just wanted to bring that because you you are one of those like people that experienced that phenomenon. Like, for lack of better term as intended, right. So like, I just think it's good. I think it's very interesting, right? To bring the index deposit to these people. Like, nowadays, like, Yo, did you also I hate Can we talk about if you start your video with Did you know this? I'm gonna not watch it. Okay, I just need you to know that people. Like, if you cannot even use proper nouns and your sentence, I'm out. All right, stop it. And nine times out of 10? Yes, I did. Oh, come on.
Collin 1:36:07
Anytime. It's just a rule. Anytime that there's a question and a headline, the answer is exactly what you think it is. It's just as I mean, there's no, right. And if they say, Oh, you'll never guess what that is. Like, I just take a split second and think about it. That's what the answer is right? And you'll be you'll be fine. Yeah. And if it's not, it's usually a horrible take. And not true. I'll just
Brandon 1:36:30
use wrong, right? He's objectively wrong. Yes, like, yeah, that was that's the other like, we're there's a very large quarter of booktube that Harry Potter related, like, I mean, like correctly, right? Because it's good. And it's a very, like, basically a modern classic at this point, right? Like, everybody has read it. And it's like, there's a lot of good stuff in there, and a lot
Collin 1:36:47
of good, like, things to enjoy. But like, Stop telling
Brandon 1:36:52
me really base knowledge things in a video. It's like, did you
Collin 1:36:55
know? Yes. And I, this is why I struggled because I don't want to take that joy from those people who are experiencing that for the first time. Yeah. Because we all experienced, I experienced that of like, the lightbulb moment where I was like, Oh, my goodness, what? Yeah, I didn't, I didn't have the ability to run to YouTube and click a button and immediately live stream and then talk about my feelings and then shut it down. But be I wouldn't have never done that to personalize, but like, so they have this outlet in where a lot of people will 20 years ago, which literally, they came out 20 years ago, September 1 20 years ago, September 1 was the initial release date. makes me angry. I think that's No, it can't be 20 years. It can't be 20
Brandon 1:37:44
years because it lasts. I'm pretty sure it was 97 It's almost like 25 years, right?
Collin 1:37:48
No, that was the movie release.
Brandon 1:37:51
Ah, yeah. Yes. See? Book is much older.
1:37:57
Yeah,
Brandon 1:37:57
I think it's like 20.
Collin 1:37:59
I'm a I know, it's 97. It was 97. It was 90 790-899-2000. And then we had the world's longest wait between 2002 1003 Oh, my gosh, right. Because then she started doing two year releases. So it expanded past that. But yeah, cuz it was 2003 2005 2007. But that was mostly because the store became a lot more complex. And she was handling a lot of material and things moving on in the books just but as far as like,
Brandon 1:38:34
I have a when you have them in a set, and you have them next to each other. It's like, yeah, there's a point where they just like, double in size.
Collin 1:38:44
Yes, it really is. It really is. It is cute to look at the book book one versus definitely hollows and you're like, Oh, well, okay.
Brandon 1:38:52
I think the Half Blood Prince might be bigger. Actually. I had mice in the other room right now. So I can't see it. I said my Harry Potter box set by my Harry Potter Legos. Just, it's fine. Don't worry about it. But um,
Collin 1:39:08
yeah, yeah. So they were originally recent 97. And then the the movie was released in 2001. Okay, yeah, one years on from that in AD.
Brandon 1:39:17
So it's over 20 years, almost 25
Collin 1:39:19
years in the butt. Yeah. So 20 years. 25 years ago. I think that's what you initially said 25 years ago? Yeah. Like, that ability wasn't there. We did that on Pottermore and other blogging sites like that. So I don't want to take away that joy of being able to express themselves. Because like, oh, go ahead. Oh, no, that was, it's hard for me to balance those two out because I do recognize also to recognize, I recognize I've tried to cut out words. Like, I recognize that that is I that's an important process of enjoying processing and sharing your love for a particular story. I do think I do think oh, now we have a lot more context and things to add to it. But I, that's where I want to see some of the stuff taken. Yeah. And I understand that. And I mean, it's, it's also,
Brandon 1:40:08
like, it's weird because a lot of kids just read them all in like middle school now. Right? Yeah. So like, I understand that these people that are making these videos have now grown up reading it, like they've read them all probably multiple times, starting, you know, when they were, you know, 13 or whatever, but they they read them all when they were 13 to begin with,
Collin 1:40:30
which is, you know, a little bit different,
Brandon 1:40:33
too, but like, like you said, the balance is hard because like, Yeah, you don't want to be old man. And it clouds is shouting the clouds. You don't want to be like, the internet heavy metal community. Because they are this person. Yeah, they are the gatekeepers gatekeepers that have ever gatekeepers in the entire world, right? There'll be like,
Collin 1:40:53
Oh, I can't believe you
1:40:55
charged just listen to Metallica the first time ever such a loser. Why did you listen to Metallica? 1980. Like I did? Why that's not cool. Like,
Brandon 1:41:04
exactly. Like 14 What do you mean listed? Nine stop
1:41:09
like it? Yeah, exactly.
Brandon 1:41:12
You don't want to be that people because some peep not again, I'm not gonna say all people. There are some people in that community that are the worst.
Collin 1:41:20
They are horrible. Nobody wants to be I mean, I will say nobody wants to be that guy. Obviously somebody does because that guy exists because that guy exists.
Brandon 1:41:31
Right? That guy's 50 year old heavy metal Dude, that's that guy. Right? He's totally like not be can't believe that. You just now heard Metallica for the first time or like that you would like anything other than the exact perfect thing that he likes. That's illegal. Right? You definitely don't want to be that guy. But then you don't you're right. You don't want to like SAP their joy. Because like, clearly, if you're a person that's made, like 10s of videos about the Harry Potter books, like, you are a person that likes to write, like, you and you don't do that because you
Collin 1:42:12
don't like it. Right? You don't make silly videos like that. Because
Brandon 1:42:19
you are not a fan. You don't mean so like, I don't want to take away your right. You don't want to be like, you're not the right kind of fit. Because as dumb right as that as I'm talking about, but like, this is a it's a weird, like balancing act of like, Yeah, I know. But again, I read the books already. And like, I know this. So like, so I don't like
Collin 1:42:42
I kind of have to I kind of have to fall on. Like, when you see that kind of thing. I think it is important to encourage additional questions when you can. And that's something that I think that I need to be better about sub having that initial reaction and then just not commenting like sharing that experience with them be like, Oh my gosh, that was such an amazing part of the book. I really liked how they did blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then asking a question to prompt further discussion or further thought, because you've already had those thoughts.
1:43:20
And, yeah, a lot of right, like, a lot of them were like, Did you know Did you notice these similarities in the Deathly Hallows and like this book, like?
Brandon 1:43:31
Well, yeah, because like, she she wrote that because she wanted to like, it's very clearly like, you know, like, did you know that like, Hagrid carried Harry in the beginning of the Sorcerer's Stone and then Hagrid carried Harry at the end of, of Deathly Hallows. Like, yeah, I got that.
1:43:54
I was like, why everyone was crying when they read that part. Okay, I don't know if you know, but
Collin 1:44:00
we all experienced that. I think it's important to, to then take that and turn that and try and take their attention and energy and acknowledge and then ask additional questions or promptings or ask if they've observed other things. And it's, but that's hard to because you don't want to come across if like, yo, yo, when
1:44:18
did you think about this?
Brandon 1:44:19
Yeah, cuz you want to be like you're, you know,
Collin 1:44:24
neckbeard push or
1:44:25
push glasses up, right? Like, actually, yeah, actually, like,
Collin 1:44:30
you is a fine line. But I do think that I, there's a way to have a discussion there about somebody who has experienced all that sharing in the delight of somebody new and pointing them to new ways of thinking like I that is that is absolutely possible. And not raining on on people's parade, allowing them to have that experience. And importantly, I will say it again, celebrating with them in that moment, because that's what they want, right? So putting that content out there. Most people some, okay, there are
1:45:02
the majority of them. Right? Okay, I can't say all.
Brandon 1:45:05
Because there's some people that are like, they're like the opposite. They're like the well actually videos that are like,
1:45:12
Why does slithering even exist? Because like, they're just all bad, right? Like,
Brandon 1:45:17
okay, first of all, thank you for your like, least like lukewarm take about that. Also,
Collin 1:45:23
it's a literary device.
Brandon 1:45:27
And I hate to break it to you guys, but it's partially a literary device. Can you go? There's your answer, surprise,
Collin 1:45:33
even like that. That's there are similar things like, oh, yeah, like, yeah, it may seem silly, but there are a lot of ideas that are shared like this between other literary devices and other works of literature like XYZ kind of books. Yeah.
Brandon 1:45:47
And like, then you can have discussions like okay, yeah, but like, Okay, well being driven, doesn't necessarily mean that you are evil, right? Like one of the defining characteristics of that house is a drive for success.
Collin 1:46:03
Okay, well, that's not inherently bad. Right? So like, yes, maybe
Brandon 1:46:10
some of the most prominent members of southern house have done these nefarious deeds, but it's not necessarily. And because it's correlated here, right? Like,
Collin 1:46:21
they do go out of their way to talk about other people who weren't evil and monstrous, right, who were in that house. They didn't do that. Which is important. Because if you miss that, missing some context, yeah, because it's very, it's as well, the first book books, the Philosopher's Stone sets it up as initially, again, the simplistic ideas of slither into the bad house. That's where evil people are. That's the very simple underneath the 12
Brandon 1:46:47
year old, right?
Collin 1:46:50
And then you get the drive, and then you get these other things that you're in. And then you get Severus Snape and his like, oh, my gosh, like, punch to the gut story arc where you're like, I know how to think about anything, it'd be more like when you go through that you, you start to question a lot of motivations in the world. But understand that what was he driven by?
Brandon 1:47:12
Yeah, loyalty and emotion and love, right? Like,
Collin 1:47:17
like, it's really, and the fact that people are driven by different things. And so you can look at Snape being driven by love compared to Voldemort striven for greed and power. And go, Ah, this is where these two people are clearly divided. And both willing to do anything they could possibly do, and put everything on the line. But for utterly different and contrasting ideas and remarks, and you can't sixth, sixth graders don't get that. And if you don't follow that through line and really pay attention to stuff to, to the, to the book, and think about it in the context for those people. You just You just gloss over and I think still people out today will read Harry Potter and go Yeah, so there is the bad house. There's the bad guys. And it's like, Ah,
Brandon 1:48:11
now Yeah, kind of, kind of, it's like it's not, again, in the first book, it is that simple. Right? But like, you're right, you have to unpack a lot of that stuff in there. And read deeper. And I don't know if you're reading deeper. If you're reading 23 books a month. I don't know if that's what you're doing. I can't I can't fathom how you're doing this.
Collin 1:48:37
So that is why read slower people. That's
Brandon 1:48:44
how you read. You're not going to win reading. Read slower,
1:48:49
slower. Okay, I like that. All right. Okay. Now that bombshell couple
Collin 1:48:57
will lay on this and say good night.
Brandon 1:49:00
All right. Yeah. Sorry. actually turned into way too long. I apologize.
Collin 1:49:05
Okay, I guess I'm using my office more see if
Brandon 1:49:07
that's true. Yeah, flexing that new
1:49:10
internet man. See how it works. kept up. Right. All right. Is it like hot is it like don't touch it.
Brandon 1:49:16
Okay. Do you need my tongs? Was the thing like room temperature? Okay. All right. Good. Love you