it's all ball bearings
Collin is cleaning up a flooded basement. Brandon is sciencing. Aaron is watching fish tanks. Main topic? WHY do tales of improbable creatures persist.
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Busy boy Collin
Soot sprites
Living with construction
It was ‘a’ plan
School play
Small baby children
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Solve problem vs make thing
It’s all ball bearings
Aarons fun happy time
ASMR talk
Fish tank building
Aquascapes!
The mystery
Ceolocanth
But why…
“Folk memories”
Collin was trying to think of the Thylacine
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Collin 00:05
Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast of three brothers.
00:09
Trying to figure it all out with your
Collin 00:12
hosts, Brandon. Colin. Aaron. On this week's show. It's all ball bearings. Hello?
00:28
Hello.
Collin 00:30
It's not January anymore.
Aaron 00:34
Yeah, no, I didn't realize that. Oh my god. redo my name. I get something witty for February.
Collin 00:47
No slacking here, dude.
Aaron 00:50
Well, I didn't mean to. I forgot. Yeah.
01:02
Come on.
01:04
No, no, no.
01:07
Yeah, it's good.
01:08
I mean, oh, it's good.
Collin 01:09
You're the baby boy. No, bad. Man. very unpleasant. So, I never go into their basement, right? Like, I have no reason to go down there. It's not finished. It's just a storage area.
01:32
And a couple days ago,
Collin 01:37
I'm gonna say about Thursday, I came home and I was like, Huh. Smells like something died in the walls. Just that really faint. Like, yeah, like, as soon as I walked, like another step into the house, it was gone. And I could never find it again, just like, really weird. I guess we had a die in our house. Okay, that's gonna stink, you know, literally and figuratively while it dies. And it'll go, you know, while it convinces decompose it, and they'll go away, and we'll just stay at it, whatever. And then Sunday night, rolls around, we had a function at church. And I was like, Oh, I have a microscope that I need to give back to this lady who wanted us to look at it, to show her how to use it. So I was like, I'll run down to the basement and rabbit. One open the door, flipped on the light, and then looked right down the steps. And I was like,
02:29
there's water in my basement. And,
Collin 02:40
you know, like, it had rained quite a bit last week, and
02:45
Astro winter. And so the ground is frozen, saturated. It's saturated, where you're looking for.
Collin 02:53
And it's mostly frozen. So I was like,
02:55
well, maybe water.
Collin 03:02
And I had the sense of mind to run up and grab my waterproof boots. from upstairs before I had to wait in because like, well, this is really annoying. Good call. Good call man with the save the day right there. I stepped in it. And then I was like, Huh, let me go check the drain. And I took I turned and I took one step towards the drain. And I saw some toilet paper floating. And I was like,
03:32
Oh,
Collin 03:36
well, okay. We were like, literally out the door to go to this thing. And so what I did was I ran over and I like, I checked the drain. And I was like, is the drain actively pumping more water into my house? is right, because I wanted to know, is it is it lacking, like flowing up or dream? Or is this everything that's just been plugged and flowing in. So it was not actively flowing? Like a geyser or anything and I was like,
Aaron 04:12
cool. Good. Good news.
Collin 04:14
Good news. Good news. Step one.
04:19
And then I like
Collin 04:20
called for plumbers. Great. It's Sunday at like,
04:26
five, and so nobody's
Collin 04:30
there. Nobody's gonna show up. But I figured someone's got an emergency line. Right? Surely. Or if you leave a message, they will call you back. Like, right sometime dialing? Nope. I called for people. And then I texted our neighbor because I was like, well, he owns a construction company. Let's see if he knows a plumber has their direct contact. And he was like, Yeah, he's like, Oh, my business partner is actually a Certified Professional plumber.
04:57
I was like, Okay, here's
Collin 04:59
the situation.
05:02
Got a bit of a problem?
Collin 05:05
And he was like he asked, yes. Okay, is it actively flowing? Or is it standing as like it is standing and he goes, Okay. Don't use any more water in the house will be over in the morning. And I was like, cool. And Monday morning comes around,
05:24
and
Collin 05:26
he hasn't getting over around 1030 or whatever, which is totally fine. He's running a whole separate business that's not plumbing related. Let's be very clear about this. He's not an actual plumbing business. He's in construction remodeling, he just happens to have all of this equipment that goes along with that.
05:42
Yes, I,
05:43
I got one, one phone call back from a plumber at 11 o'clock. And they were like, Hey, you left message of I was like, Yeah, I don't need you anymore.
Aaron 05:57
By and, and, you know, he was like,
Collin 06:04
he got the auger down there, you know that the really big ones? Yeah, it was scary looking thing, scary looking thing, you know, jerkin all over the place as it was humming along. And he said it was about 30 feet out. He busted through something, figured it was probably a tree root. You know, I'm in a house that's 100 years old. There. Yeah. You know, who knows, whatever. And it's kind of cool. As soon as I heard it, I heard it break through it, because it was reverberating throughout the pipes. And yeah, I walked over and all the water was just pouring down like it was effectively using the drain, which is, you know, what it was supposed to be doing in the first place? And he was like, Yeah, no, you've got a good, you know, your drain is fine. It was just probably something that built up over time. So do this about once a year, and you'll be fine. I was like, sweet,
06:59
thank you. And I was like,
07:01
how do I clean this up?
07:03
Cuz
Collin 07:07
I don't own any bleach. So at that point, 758. And he was like, well, because what had happened was I had freaked out and like called my insurance, it was like,
Aaron 07:27
like, what, like, what does this look like floating away?
Collin 07:32
That's what I thought. That's what Megan said, she was like, when you left messages, were they calm? And I was like, Well, I didn't have any point to freak out. And she's like, maybe freak out a little bit more next time and see if they call you back. So called my insurance and was like, so like, Am I covered? Like, what's this process look like? And he was like, Yeah, you're covered. Just keep track of all of your expenses, and blah, blah. And he's like, do you even want to file a claim? And I was like, Well, I don't know. Like, I've never done this before. It's an unfinished basement. Most of our stuff was sitting on top of pallets anyway. And so like, only one corner of a box got wet. I'm mostly worried about just sanitizing it just being very real. Yeah. And so he sent me the contact information for a cleaning company. And they, they came, they got there, just as my neighbor and his partner were, were done. And CEO came in and she's making this assessment, which was while she's assessing the basement, I would here's the other thing. She she's an assessor, for a company that cleans up flooded basements, very hazardous places. Did she show up in waterproof need high boots? No, no, she, she showed up in pumps. And just
08:57
she knows,
Collin 08:57
it just knows. But she's not waiting around anything. Are you kidding?
09:00
Yeah.
Collin 09:02
And so I stepped out, or the pumps are tall enough that she'd be like, it's fine. I could walk through a little bit of water and leave no problem. And so I stepped outside and talked to my neighbor. And I was like, how do I clean this? And he was like, you gotta get some, you know, spray with bleach. hose it down, pull a hose into the basement, hose it down, scrub it with some soap, and then rinse and spray it again with bleach. And he'll be fine. And I was like, Okay, great. And he was like, now if you had had drywall, or any other stuff down there.
Aaron 09:36
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Totally sweet.
Collin 09:42
So the lady came back up, and she was like, Look, you don't have drywall. You don't have this other stuff. We have the sanitation package, blah, blah. Let me get you a quote real quick. And she laughed back and she was like, that'll be 18 $100. I was like, No, thank you for that. coming out, have a wonderful day.
Aaron 10:03
And so gallon of bleach
Collin 10:05
499 a brush 399 Well, and see this already got a bucket probably. Right? The thing is, is I have been wanting to clean out the basement for a long time anyway because there was lots of like limestone dust and like limestone test will be
10:29
ash.
Collin 10:31
I have original limestone walls from whenever this place was built. Okay. And so and there's also like, there's like the ash pit for the fireplace or the coal furnace.
Aaron 10:48
furnace. Yeah,
Collin 10:49
let's be real here. There's still coal in my basement. It's in the coal chute though. So. And like I just been wanting to clean this up anyway. And so this was, I was like I told Megan, I was like, you know, I've been wanting to do this for a while. This is the impetus to get it done. And so I had to run a hose through our kitchen window to shorten it so that I had enough length to get down in there. And I just beautiful. It's great, especially on a day that was like it's 30 is a it's been so high and to me this last week, meaning to open up a window. So I like sprayed the whole thing down I had a little pump sprayer and I sprayed it all down with bleach, let it sit. And then I went in I started hosing everything after I had had to move up all the pallets and get all our stuff out of there. I just started in the corner right and then just started spraying and there when I say there was probably 60 pounds worth of dust and limestone and concrete dust in Congress. I got up off of the floor. I am not joking it the bag drains clogged. Is is I really tried to make sure I wasn't blowing it all down the drain. Like I had a shovel that I was scooping stuff and I was trying to keep it from going down there because that was I didn't want all of a sudden to just lock up my drain with do it again. Yeah. Right and then have them to come and go well you have to dynamite that out because it's a
Aaron 12:28
little hard now.
Collin 12:29
Yeah, they're like why did you get that? Well it's gonna turn into stone and yeah. actually made Roman concrete with all the detritus in his basement. Right? Why is there coal dust in here? Like I should anyway, everything's fine. It's fine. So I did I just started I was really bad boy this year, because it's all goes in the basement. And so like I I just started in quarter and I got my hose down there and I just kind of started going methodically pushing the water pushing the water person in water put in the water. And you could see this line of crud that was on the floor. Again, not crud that came up from the from the drain. This is stuff that I knew was already on the floor pre
13:14
Yeah. So
Collin 13:16
I'd have to spray and scoop and spray and scoop it's brand new. And oh my gosh, it took forever but man that floor is awesome looking now I still have the coal in the chute. And I still have ash in the bottom of the fireplace down there. That's just like, you know, that's character. That's fine. It's all been like this. Yeah. Well, and it was like I told Megan I was like I'm I'm motivated now to to tackle those but I know those are going to be a such a way bigger job. My motivations quickly fading after. Plus, I know the more I work on those the dirtier the rest of the floor gets and it's so bad. You just clean the mess. So we'll see. But if you want to come help me move a washing machine from my basement in the cold then you are more than welcome to come up.
14:19
Oh, man. Let me tell you what they are. Yeah, I got the it's gonna be real cold next week.
Aaron 14:28
So I called to light on. Crazy. Diamond.
Collin 14:42
I know listeners to the segment maybe going. You don't actually have coal in your basement. That's a bit much. No, no, I actually have coal in my basement. Still. It's the buckets that are that are scattered across the floor in the coal bin that sit there and they're all black and smiling back though it can Reminds me of what happens in a central Missouri railroad town. Right? It's just you just pull it around and you stumble across it reminds me of opening the door and seeing all the sprites, you know, and whether they'll like scatter away. Columns basement is just Spirited Away. Right? That's really what happened. That's everything there was the muck monster ride the water spirit was dirty had to get cleaned up.
15:29
So sprites all over the place.
Aaron 15:31
Yeah, look, look.
15:36
cheerilee movie? I am I
Collin 15:39
don't know, who's the operator of Bath's and sending all of the
15:44
stuff up. But yesterday, so
Collin 15:49
I'm sorry, Mr. Green. So I'm assuming that somewhere back to the cause, the root of the matter, if you will. Is it so? Is there just some sort of wide junction between that floor drain and the sewer output that the rest of the pipe drains into somewhere? And it just had backed up from that? Is that where it came from? Yeah, so what basically the floor drain your right wise into the main water drain for the rest. Okay. Okay. underneath my, my, my basement floor, somewhere, then they they join and they move out underneath my backyard into the alley, which towards the sewer line, which goes into the main sewer line, somewhere between the Y junction and the alley about actually about 30 feet out which I have a small yard so pretty. Yeah, like close to the alley probably. There was a blockage. And so as I had been flushing, I just backed all the way up had a block. Oh, and see the problem was is during this time, before had discovered it, I had had a series I basically had a migraine for three days. And something that helps me cope with migraines are taking blazingly hot, long showers.
17:17
It's so
Collin 17:20
you know, twice a day, I basically just stayed in the shower and have the little like massage thing blasting at the back of me. Yeah, to try and you know, to calm it down, then I could get out in the cool, this would help alleviate some of that and whatever. And so it's like, all of that water was just going by it it was that that abnormal water usage? Right is a short time span is what contributed. Okay. Yeah. And who knows? That makes sense. Well, also, you know, and who knows what else have you again, with the rain and the water to the pipe? Because, like one last thing that I got caught? You know, one last piece of toilet paper got caught on the route and it's completely right, you know, something everyone ever saw. Exactly. So it was kind of like all these things converged. Again, in the grand scheme of things, of the problems that it could have been like, as soon as I saw water and what was coming up, I was like, great.
Aaron 18:17
Pipe pipe exploded. Yeah,
Collin 18:18
I first thought collapsed. And they're going to have to like, do my basement and it's going to be like, yeah, $1,000 to replace that left sewer line, and blah, blah, blah. Like I really panic. So in the grand scheme of things, 150 bucks for the platform, my neighbor to come out. Plus some elbow grease, bleach and a new hose. Like in two days.
Aaron 18:45
Really? Not that bad.
Collin 18:48
I screw because again, it wasn't finished the basements unfinished and everything was on pallets already. So that like was huge. I can't imagine. Oh, yeah, that's a really good deal that was already elevated off the floor.
Aaron 19:02
Yeah, yeah.
Collin 19:05
Yeah, that would have been real bad. Probably not Oh, I would be for for for bad. So yeah, that was a that's fun. Yeah, that's all I have. That was all over that report. It wasn't I mean, that's quite, that's quite a lot. I will say. Once I like once I overcame the
19:31
the shock shock.
Collin 19:32
shock is just like your horror of what was going through your Yeah. Right. And I was able to process that and I told Megan I was like, basically I had to just latch my brain on to this is $20,000 and that was what I had to do in order to just like am I have to keep moving forward because if I tried to stair step my way up to it, I would have just been in chronic I would have been paralyzed because of anxiety. So it was just like Follow the $20,000 bill and move forward once I was able to do that, and then I could start cleaning. Like, I overcame that hump. And then I was able to kind of like, let my OCD guys kind of like over like, manifest me for a little minute. And it was actually therapeutic. Like, down there with the hose, brushing the water and scrubbing and fishing and scrubbing. Like, at that point actually, like, Okay, I'm progressing, I'm making something happen and solving this.
20:27
That was the most like
Collin 20:32
that statement put you closer to our father than anything that you've said in the past. And it's really terrifying, man. Like, cleaning up the giant mess was therapeutic and comforting to me.
20:45
Like, what
20:51
exactly is something here? It's a little worrying.
20:54
But I find I find it
Collin 20:57
this an odd coping mechanism to like, just immediately attached yourself to absolute worst case scenario and be like, yep, that's it. That's what we're, that's what's gonna be. And then
21:12
I knew that.
Collin 21:15
That was the worst possible thing I could imagine. happening, right? And like, there's all sorts of stuff, I'm like, okay, they're gonna do that. We're not gonna be able to live in the house. While they're doing that, we're not gonna be able to run our business, we're gonna have to live out of a hotel. Like, I just went there. I immediately went there and was like, and I had to sit with that for many hours. And just know that this was not an immediate thing. Like, don't get me wrong, like this had to be much more immediate, like, just ask Megan, I was very quiet for a long time. And like, once I was able to finally to process that I was like, that is the worst possible outcome for all of this.
21:59
Everything else that
Collin 22:00
didn't take one step in that direction was amazing, right? As the steps took me further in the opposite direction, it was like from that it was better than that. Yeah, it was all it was all joy. Right. And so by the time I was, I was the one cleaning, because I didn't even know how to clean and what that process looked like. So having somebody say, Do these steps and me going, Yeah, I just get the bleach ban. Right, I can do that. It's just a drop of dawn and grease has gone. That's exactly throw some grease and other stuff. It was like, Okay, I can I can manage that. Like each step beyond that just became more manageable for me. So by the time I was down there with my hose, listening to podcast and my air pods, and blasting away, it was like, this is this is the easy part for me at this point, because I like guys, that's true, right? I can like, I'm not living in a hotel, that mental hurdle isn't a problem. Yeah, that's fair. That makes sense. I guess it's just as a weird, like, that is enough for me, because I deal with problems. I just go well, I guess we're gonna have to figure out what to do first, and then go from there. But it's similar to where you're like, when you have like a large thing to do it is very overwhelming. And you're kind of like, well, there's literally nothing to be done. I give up like, well, you're nuts. But I'm going to the opposite way. I start with the small step when I get well I'll do this one thing first. And then we'll go from there and see what happens. Like yeah
Aaron 23:36
you know, like, right I'm sure
Collin 23:40
I do that in some cases, but when it like this was just such a shock because last year like yeah, I since owning this home I had become so paranoid to the sounds of water and unexpected water because I just know, like, Oh, yeah,
23:55
can you had the shower thing before the shower?
Collin 23:58
I had this like, a shower thing, like all the stories of there being secret leaks and homes and the owners like get sick and they pulled down a wall is covered in black mold and all this stuff, you know, like, I know how, how terrible water is in homes and so any tenders and so to open that and to see like 1000 gallons,
Aaron 24:21
like literal inches
Collin 24:22
of water in my basement was
Aaron 24:24
just like, Ah,
Collin 24:26
that's true. Khalid watches the movie, the ring, and it's not the little girl that terrifies him. It's the dripping water from the TV.
24:37
Are you kidding? Like
Collin 24:44
those are my nightmares. Those are my main faucets. Side note I will say it is possible to just live your life Fully with massive amounts of construction going on a few years ago, probably, I don't know. It's been a long time ago now. Our school like renovated, like they did like a huge renovation. Like they they expanded the commons area, they changed the library and they added this new front door entrance thing, because the old front entrance was like, some really janky stairs that were falling apart. And like a door that didn't close right, you know? Sure. So they did a whole new front entryway to be like, Ooh, it's all fancy, right? It's It's fine. It's it's not
25:37
totally ugly anyway.
Collin 25:40
But they started doing it while school was still in session because there was so much to do. And they were saving the rip out the big giant interior walls for mostly over the summer. But they started that kind of at the end. But while they were tearing out the front part, they had the math class that I was working in, when I was an aide was right at the front of the building. And they had the jackhammer affixed to the backhoe just like hammering away on the stairs. Like, right. Why we're trying to have class in there. We're doing math work, just constantly. So like the broom was shaking. Oh, because it was like punching the foundation like she was Oh, terrible. Oh, yeah, it was. It was so bad. She's like bone jarringly loud. Like dude. Oh, you know that like just? Yeah. But it was like, your chest was shaking. It was so loud. She like you know, the proximity to YouTube doesn't help. Yeah, it was like feet away. And our our genius superintendent at the time didn't see any problems with this plan whatsoever. It was totally fine. Yeah. So that's okay. You can come you can totally learn effectively. In a room. That's definitely loud and shake. Oh, no. Answer. Answer. No. Yeah. Well,
27:16
yeah. So yeah, I
Collin 27:18
just thinking about even lip trying to easy says, like living with that be a little different whenever they're like we're working on your watermain or, you know, like, totally, like, you can't wash you can't use the same. I can't use washer like, right. It's like, death. Oh, that's the part that I saved at school till almost the end of the year because they did that they added a new bathrooms. And they added a new thing over there. So they had to, like shut everything down for a while. There was like plastic in the hallways because they ripped out this huge part of the wall. And they were like rebuilding. Wow. Oh, yeah. I was pretty cool. Yeah, it was. It was a plan. No. He's the same guy that designed our will. Okay, the design of our shelter as performing art. Oh, oh, yeah, he's that guy, the man that's never set foot in a performing art center, clearly by the design of this thing. Anyway, I had to go in there last week for Yeah, I had to go in there last week for our choir concert for sixth grade. And I was every time I go into like, ah, I do I went to when I look at it. It could have been so good. And yet, and yet, here we are. Yeah, that's the really sad part about that. Is that it? could have it was such It was a great opportunity. Yeah, it was just slightly did it didn't make it.
28:53
Yeah. Yeah.
Collin 28:56
Yeah. Sad. It hurts me. Especially because I've been in other schools that it did the same thing. And theirs is like, good. You know? Like, if you knew what the possibilities were like, We could have Yeah, and I've seen the other possible outcomes in ours are just doomed for terrible mediocrity. Right, especially because there's like, there's no way to go in and rehab that or like to make it that Yeah, you have to do some serious stuff to make it better. To be a storm shelter. So it's kind of Yeah, you know, structural, it's just that well, this Yes, the exterior is immovable. And the interior. You had one chance to do it properly.
Aaron 29:51
Yeah. And you didn't do yeah.
Collin 30:01
There are some auxilary things that you could address in the future. But then again, you now you have to take time and find money to do it when you had a shot to do it initially with the whole thing. Right? Right. Well, fixing those kinds of things is always more expensive than building it right? The first time.
30:19
Yeah.
Collin 30:21
Yeah, exactly. And so when you have a problem, like, you literally the sound design is so bad. You can't hear anything in there. Well, that was kind of the whole point of the building. And Jeff really done messed up now.
30:42
Yeah. That's bad.
Collin 30:47
Yeah, so it hurts me every time I go in there. But, you know, the quality of the concert was good, because they're good.
30:52
What was it? I was just like the winter
Collin 30:56
coral thing for the sixth grade. And then she did a really bizarre this year, like she split it up. Normally, it's a four through six
31:09
program. Uh huh.
Collin 31:10
Right. So she does. She does four, six in the winter. And then in the spring, she does the K three, because they need more time. You know, especially the K one group. They're not ready to do singing at Christmas time. Yeah, but this year because of audience restrictions, and, you know, safety things, she decided to split it up into two groups, but she split
Aaron 31:34
it up. She did three, five, and four, six.
Collin 31:43
Which was a plan that you could do, I guess? I don't know. I have no idea why she did that. Get no clue whatsoever. Why that was her plan. The only thing I could think of is that third and fourth grade parents are the majority of the ones that show up. She was trying to like split it up so that there would actually be people out there. Well, yeah. Because none of it is like mandatory, I guess. Oh, so out of all this, you know, out of like all the sixth grade, like, some of them show up? You know, I mean, and so like, usually the big drop off is in fifth and sixth grade of kids that don't come. So I'm imagining that she was trying to balance out like, let's have some students actually here to sing our song.
32:37
You know.
Collin 32:38
So that's, that's probably that's the only reason I can think of why should do that. Because having fourth and sixth graders on the stage at the same time is really weird. And as a person that's not around fourth graders, like ever anymore. Seeing them standing up there next to the sixth graders like Who are those small baby children? What's happening? There's a weird it's a weird disparity between the two groups of kids, because I see the fifth graders all the time, right? Because our classrooms are right next to each other. Yeah, this stuff fourth graders, like on the other side of the building, I never seen them ever. So like the fifth graders and the sixth raise. They're pretty close. You know, the fifth graders this year, they're like, very mature. So they they seem younger to me, I guess. But like I said, the fourth graders like
33:30
what the heck, right?
Collin 33:34
It's very, it's very jarring, strange experience. like, Whoa, I forgot that you're small. And like, Yeah. It was weird. I said that moment of like, Well, alright. Yeah. What's a small child here? Oh, yeah. acre, fourth grader. Okay, got it. Oh, I
34:00
didn't know they made this small. Yeah.
Collin 34:04
Yeah. Weirdly, the only people I've ever seen in the hallway are the fifth graders. Some of the other middle schoolers and then like, kindergarteners, because they're always every time I go to where they're, like, lined up, you know, doing their like, arms cross holding the Bible while they're in the hallway. Right. I always see them. I'm aware that they're very small. But the fourth graders is like, whoa,
34:28
wait so much. Yeah,
Collin 34:34
that's exciting. My week. I went to the concert. I was like, Yay, it's over now. Okay, go. Go. They did really good though. They didn't good. We It was really hard though. Because I told you that they did the practice schedule thing, right. I typed that. Yes. It kind of adapted when or how they could go, right? Yeah. So we did our I come up with all these exciting like I volunteer to keep the band kids
35:03
in my classroom
Collin 35:04
so that they don't have to just sit quietly in the stands for two hours. Because it's impossible for sixth graders to do that. Oh, yeah, it's near impossible for me to do that. So I can only imagine how the impossibility of a sixth grade. Yeah, so we did some, like, we did some cool stem, kind of building stuff. Like, you know, designing engineering things like those kind of things. And I don't always have time to do that normally. So, like, Yeah, what do you do now?
35:39
Join us.
Collin 35:41
We're fine. They like to do the hands on buildings. random stuff is fun. Right? That's, that's the problem I have with like STEM education in general. At the sixth grade level, it's very hard to find like, stuff that's kind of appropriate, right? It's like stuff listeners, you're not versed in the weird education. acronyms stem is stands for science, engineering, technology and math. Right? It's kind of like a design building. hands on experience. Everyone saw people add a in there to make it steam. That's it for art. You might you hear those, you'll hear those interchangeably if you do stuff. But like, my favorite part is like the engineering science part, right? So a lot of the stuff that when you get 7000 emails that are like, oh, learn about these new stem projects, they're really just demonstrations, where kids follow directions and make a thing.
Aaron 36:45
Which is Yeah. Boring. And not cool. Right?
Collin 36:52
I mean, for sixth grade, it's, it's not cool. No, right? For that's like exactly what you want to do for science for like, second, third grade. That's, that's perfect. That's what you need, right? sixth grade, we need to be more like, solve this problem. Right? How do you do this thing with this stuff?
37:17
I mean,
Collin 37:19
that's where it's interesting. And that's what makes them expand more on the engineering and thought design stuff. So we, it's hard to find, like good questions that you can solve. Right? With just random stuff. It's kind of hard on projects like that. So we did that. The old classic, build a boat at a tin foil and see how many pennies it'll hold? Mm hmm. The classic and then, yeah, the we did the I gave him a tissue, like a Kleenex. And then a whole bunch of other really random classroom supplies, like some paper cup, some pipecleaner, right. And I was like, I'm going to dump water in this bucket, and this tissue cannot get wet, you have to protect. But I had to build this like some sort of contraption to keep the tissue dry. As I dumped a 250 mils of water on top. It was great. It was so good. What kind of so what did they What? What kind of things did they come up with for that? Alright, so first, let me see if I can actually get the supply list. There was paper.
38:35
A pencil pipe cleaner. Cotton balls, rubber bands, a paper cup. might be it. Okay.
Collin 38:51
Oh, a playing card. Yeah, because I found in my drawer that I have a stack of like 6000 playing cards, and I have no idea why. where they came from. So I was like, here use these. So a couple of them that a lot of them did. They went with encasing it in layers
39:13
of stuff, huh?
Collin 39:14
Right. So I had one team that did a they did a really cool thing where they because I told him I'm going to put it in this pan or this like plastic bucket, because I'm not dumping the water on my floor, clearly. So they kind of braced the pencil and an X pattern to elevate it off the floor. And then they use the cup to act as an umbrella and they folded the paper around it to just shed the water off the top and then they tucked up the stuff inside. Yeah, absolutely cool. And then there was another one that use the pencil as a horizontal crossbar to make like a like a 10 Top beam almost. And then they sort of wrapped it, they rolled it up in the paper to kind of create like a brace that and then that would roll the water off the top that way. And then they kind of put something under it, I don't know what they put under to absorb the water, but to kind of keep it off the bottom. So it was kind of suspended, it was basically suspended in between all this stuff. Sure. That was cool. The coolest one though it was these, these girls took the little tiny paper cup like those little ones you'd like, you know, the switch cups almost sorry to bring up that memory, but the little one. And they turned it upside down and they put the tissue in it. And then they put the cotton balls under it to help absorb any extra water. And then they cut the playing card to fit exactly under it to kind of just sit up in there and hold it. And then they use the the sort of wrap the piece of paper over top of that. And it's like cone shape to make the umbrella kind of thing to sit in there. Yeah. And they use the pipe cleaners and the rubber bands to kind of act as like stilts to hold. It was really exciting. Like, dang, you guys are on La gallows. Great. So what kind of what kind of prep work? Or how do you guide them through that process? Like what have they done immediately before jumping into that kind of project? Well, we talked just about, well, this one because it wasn't a set for class. It was just for like, extra fun time. Yeah, right? We didn't do a whole there is a design phase that you have to do. So I gave him about 10 minutes of blade all the materials out and like, here's what you're gonna get. Right? Now you need to make a plan. Right? What is your plan gonna be? Yeah, so design this thing first. And then kind of make sure you have some kind of plan, and then go into the building part. And we do talk about anytime we've done this, we've talked about the importance of you know, you make your plan. And then you might get about halfway through and realize that your plan has a serious flaw that you didn't notice before. Right? And the important engineering part about this whole system is okay, now what are how do you negotiate that discovery? you've discovered that there's a problem? What are you going to do to fix it? Don't be afraid to change the plan. That's kind of the thing that I push real hard, it's like, don't be afraid to be like, Oh, snap, that's not gonna work. Let me switch this up. And that's what I lean on pretty big. So normally, there is a design phase, if it's for class, like when we do the building things for class, we do like, kind of research into whatever subject we're talking about. So we're talking about, like, structural integrity, we talked about, like building techniques, or we're gonna do one later, that's going to involve
43:16
Usually,
Collin 43:16
I did our celebration thing, I can usually get away with doing an egg drop out the window. So we talked kind of about gravity and impact and how like resistance, like how to lessen that impact some theories about how it should work. Yeah, we watch we talked about, like, how car crashes work, you know, like, you have to design it to break.
43:40
Yeah, really,
Collin 43:41
you need it can't be to farm. So we kind of throw some design principles at them a little bit. And then give them that planning stage and let him go forward. See what happens. That's. But you do need that prep time, because you can't just like jump in and start winging it. Right? Because then you get you find that problem that you were talking about, you get kind of overwhelmed. You don't really know what to do first. And you're like, I don't know where to start? Oh, no, what do I do? So you do you need that kind of design time. And the house if you have a team, so it's kind of like a teamwork slash design. thing that that's helpful to learn how to communicate with other people.
44:25
I love it. Yeah. It's fun.
Collin 44:28
But finding appropriate questions is hard. Like I said, most of them are like, mix these things together. Well, that's, I want to tell him what to do. That's boring.
44:38
Right? Yeah.
Collin 44:41
So I'm constantly scouring for like, ideas to be like, like building thing, challenge things to figure out what to do. So it can be difficult, especially when they sneak up on you like oh, I need one for tomorrow. How's it Aaron? Well, you've been doing
Aaron 45:15
well, I can't really deal with all in that much.
45:19
That's good.
Collin 45:20
I'm glad to hear It's all mine.
Aaron 45:24
Yeah compound talking about how much how much money or the potential but he had to drop and just spend like the Good morning getting the car fix the ball bearing without though either drop about 280 on that.
Collin 45:43
It's all ball bearings nowadays.
Aaron 45:44
Yeah, so that was fun.
Collin 45:48
Movie listeners. You're welcome.
Aaron 45:52
So yeah, I spent I spent a good chunk of my morning, getting caught up with that. work. And I'm not going to change anything with work. I'm not going to say that
Collin 46:09
there is work. Yes. next meal.
Aaron 46:11
I have I spent a good chunk of my time. You remember that one week we talked about like ASMR? And like following? Yes.
Collin 46:26
And how? How Aaron, I like him call him does not that's what we learned.
Aaron 46:31
So there's, there's a few things that I have been enjoying. But it's not like the typical like someone tapping on a microphone. kind of thing is there's a there's a few videos that I found that I've just been kind of fascinated with. And one of them is like, I don't know, like what the classified ad is. It doesn't really have like, a genre per se, but it's like the people who make it very, like the people that work at very fancy bars. And then make like the really fancy like bartending drinks. But they have like all like a really cool setups and but there's no music or anything, or it's just them, like putting the eyes in a glass. And then having them like do the shaker and stuff like that. Yeah,
Collin 47:22
it's like unintentional ASMR stuff, where it's like, just random, like, people just actually doing stuff, but then just those noises and isolation. That's the word are like relaxing, isn't it? Yeah, those are cool.
Aaron 47:38
Yes, I've been watching a lot of those. And then there's another Oh, and walking people built. So, okay, it's not like,
Collin 47:56
do you have a fish tank now?
Aaron 47:57
Did you? Did you send me that? Did I, I think that's something I might have sent you. That sounds like something I would do. But there's so there's like a few channels that I've I've watched it mostly off of it. Facebook, oh people like, you know, building you know, here's a you know, DIY fish tank you can build. So I've watched some of those. And yeah, those those are, you know, pretty fascinating. And then I've watched the people that build like, epic, like really high expensive ones. And then I watched people make like, like, their whole life is dedicated around like fish, and like building fish tanks and allowing or you know, selling you know, intricate fish kind of stuff. And so they they make these, like these extraordinary fish tanks like in their houses. And so watching people like do stuff like that is has been really fascinating. But I've just been intrigued with people and they're like, oh, here here's, here's how you can make a certain kind if you make a volcano fishing where they have like a little like little Mr. And you build a little volcano filled with water and all this stuff like oh, this is perfect for your fish.
Collin 49:31
Is there a crossover here somewhere? Is there one that's like fish tank sounds like ASMR fish?
Aaron 49:38
I haven't either. That would be sick. Yeah. Things like that I've just been fascinated with and I've watched things like, off and on throughout the week. For the past few weeks of like, I'll be you know, working and then I was like get on Facebook for a little bit and we'll go all the way You're on this rabbit hole later.
Collin 50:06
True. Have you have you ever watched any of those? The ones that are like that, like natural fish tanks, they're like little Aqua skate, aquatic terrarium type situation things, whatever. I don't really know. Okay? They're like they have like the algae and like the stuff on top and they put like fruit in there and it kind of feeds the plants. And then there's like little, yeah, then there's fish and that those are so cool. That's what I have been this week. That's fine. I actually stumbled across that because I'm in some, some fish, community groups on Facebook. And there's a guy in there that competes with those. And so his was, yeah, so he actually got like, first place and he took all of his Whoa, yeah, in one of these in one of these, one of the categories of all of it was just based off this little creek that ran beside his house. And so he went and he collected elements from that Creek and recreated it like it was a cut view of the stream. So you were like, if you were snorkeling upstream, that's what you would see. And there were like, these routes coming in from the side and you could see the stream channel around the middle, and then he stocked it with like native fish from the area. It was amazing. And then I went down the rabbit hole really looking at those guys. And they went to Apparently, the guy who's like the world champion of Aqua scapes died several years ago, but his home is in Japan. And he has this massive, like, 14 foot long nine foot tall and six foot deep aquarium that he built. It's like, apparently the best and it has. And so I dove deep into then talking about all of the principles of what it means to make a good aquascape and how you find the balance and layers and all of this stuff. And yeah, I could have been a lot more productive, but it was fun. That's crazy.
52:05
Wow. Yeah. Anyway,
Collin 52:10
that I was looking at, you know, our little fish tank and I was like, Huh, no, what can I add to this?
52:18
Megan would be no, no happy.
52:21
It's fine. It's fine. Zen relaxing hobby.
Aaron 52:25
Exactly like that. There's one that's like how to build like a relaxing fish tank like what I want to build so there it was just a neat little rabbit hole to kind of get myself stuck in and because I I saw the extremes that people making. Like oh, yeah, here's a little cheapo little easy one that you can make and you know, have just have your fish be happy. And then you're like, Oh, yeah, I spent like, I know. 20 grand isn't like this fishing. Yeah, it could it could have been a lot worse. No, I can't. I'm glad I caught myself when I did. But it was just kind of occupied my time from work if I've just put something on the background and I'll let let Have at it. Just Just occupies any kind of mental space that the craziness that I've been going through. Sure. But yeah, that's been kind of my stuff. Or like, if I bet if I actually have any, like any major accomplishment work absolutely insane. Yeah. Do you think it's really better me? Like work like work wise, or just, you know, throughout my progression of the week out great. Yeah. Okay. So here's,
Collin 54:02
here's the follow up question.
54:03
Okay, good. So,
Collin 54:07
I have a question I've been meaning to ask Aaron.
54:10
Hello. Okay. I'll
Collin 54:10
just step aside. Don't worry. I'll just know you. I want you to this just applies to him. Uniquely, currently. Are you going to apply for the Bigfoot hunting license in Oklahoma?
54:23
Ah,
54:27
yeah, no, I am actually gonna step out on this one. Never mind.
Aaron 54:31
This, did you read this thing? So
54:35
as the native you please explain yourself.
Aaron 54:39
In some insert, I didn't fully read the article article. But I mean, I figured I can pretty much it's one of the things where I can do a book report on it without having to live in Oklahoma, weirdly. And I don't know if it's the legend of What's up Bobby Bobby swamp monster? Now whenever Arkansas, but in in certain parts of Oklahoma, there is a strange fascination with Bigfoot. If you go to Tao, so, like Eastern, South Eastern, yeah, the timber industry is hoppin down there in southeastern Oklahoma, which is something that, you know, most people don't really think about Oklahoma being actually, you know, a part of it. The timber industry,
Collin 55:39
I mean, it's their, it's their own fault. Their state song says where the wind goes, blows swiftly down the plains plenty that kind of put that in your mind.
Aaron 55:46
Yeah, it's just bad brandy wunderbit. But it really is. But that's something that in part in parts of Oklahoma, that like that is popularize? And though it's kind of, what is it called? The cryptozoology. Yes, the vibe like that's actually weirdly popular here in Oklahoma, like we have, I can't remember what Lake it is. But there's like the, like Oklahoma octopus. That's a thing that we have. And so do you. It's a strange thing that people just like are fascinated with, weirdly, out of all the things we have learned within Oklahoma. That's the one. And so when people talk about it, it's, you know, imagine the mythos. And, you know, the the hunting culture that is Oklahoma. I mean, it was bound to happen anyway. So I was surprised. Kind of what we talked about one time that elk hunting is actually very popular. There's a certain kind of animal called Springbok, that's not what it is.
Collin 57:01
Very different thing.
Aaron 57:03
There is a certain kind of like, antelope. Yeah, yeah. There's a species that here in Oklahoma forgot
57:10
the western part where it's all like, hilly, and weirdly.
Aaron 57:15
Like, yeah, there's, there's that kind of thing here. So you just, I think, pretty putting people together, it might be one of those things of like, hey, how can how can we, you know, draw more money from the Wildlife Conservation Area? And so, well, that's
Collin 57:37
what I read that I Okay, so I'm not gonna lie, I read that. And I literally did that like Scooby Doo, like, like doubletap. Like,
57:50
that's what he got.
Collin 57:52
That's what he was alluding to the, the, the, the representative guy, whoever, in the state legislature that introduce it. That's what he was talking about. It was like, it's a way to get tourism draw to Eastern Oklahoma. Right. That was his goal. That's the whole point. Like people like it, it's the thing. It's like a cultural thing. They want revenue from tourism, plus the revenue from the like, license lottery thing for the Bigfoot, which is odd, because like, you know, like you said, elk hunting is popular. If they're on antelope, and Oklahoma. Those are real animals. That actually exists. Maybe, and I think it's, I was just taken aback by a person suggesting to have a hunting season for an animal that,
58:47
um, yeah,
58:52
yeah. Does does he know like, I understand. Oh, no,
Aaron 58:56
it doesn't know. First thing. First thing if you want, like a good that Oklahoma event has been very good to me. It's given me a degree after two point years. It's given me
59:11
It's given me the opportunity to hunt Bigfoot,
Aaron 59:13
and so virtually, so. You want a like, I'll see if I can find it first. There's a Twitter thing that I follow. And it's called, like Gov. We are Google's. And it's just, it's a parody account of all the weird dumb things that our governor has talked about. And it's just him googling, like, how do you Google blah, blah, blah. And so if you want to make a good representation of some of the mindset that takes place in the state, like that's pretty much a good thing to do. Even though it is a parody count. It's like zero I'm in, like, everywhere we went down to, in southeastern Oklahoma, Broken Bow, for instance. And then there's a bunch of little like, like towns down that way. And it is kind of a neat little, you know, Kevin in my area, my my neck of the woods, kind of thing, you know, the difference between like in like an old oil boom town compared to an old like timber boom, boom town. And it's like, they'll seem like they're different. But it's, you know, the culture in the atmosphere is different. So, we'll place it down like a Broken Bow. There's a cool little campsite area. That is like almost every stores you go into for some sort of like, your shop, there is going to be a some item of Bigfoot. They're like, it's just, you know, going to happen. And so it's like, every, like little truck sign, or every little truck stop, I should say, There's even there's restaurants that have like, no, like, connection to Bigfoot. Like, it's just like, there's a place called, like, the tea shop or something. And it's, like, there's a mascot that is big, but it's just like, and there's a, there's a place down in Tulsa, a couple of Turkey mountain. And about like, once a month or something like this. It's been a while since I've read up on them. But there's a guy that just dresses up as a Bigfoot outfit. And then just like walks turkey mount. It's a nice little like hiking trail that people get to, like, work out on and do kind of all this stuff. And yeah, there's just some guy goes out, and there's like some Twitter page. And in Turkey mountain, people, like take pictures of it, and especially like, you know, bringing more people in,
Collin 1:02:00
and then I was about to get a whole lot harder if these permits go out.
Aaron 1:02:04
I think that's only you know, again, that's only quote unquote, restricted to certain areas. But it's just one of those things that like, I mean, like it, it makes sense. Like, it kind of does, but it kind of is, but I mean, I mean, if you can make it work. I mean, go for it. I mean, all power to you, man. I guess like, if I saw it, I saw it on Twitter, and then you sent it to me. I'm like, yeah. I think that.
Collin 1:02:39
I don't know, I just think the whole Bigfoot thing is like, it's, it's fascinating to me, just on many different levels, about, like, the different lengths that people go to, and the different theories that are ascribed to this thing, and all the possibilities that everyone has latched on to what it is. And I just find it so interesting. To hear all the different takes on it. And it's like, what, what
Aaron 1:03:14
we're talking about, because the like, you know?
Collin 1:03:20
Yeah, it's weird. Like, I don't know. That's right. I was waiting to hear your thought. So we were at that point, we're like,
Aaron 1:03:32
it's something that like, even adults, they again, grant this is from someone who, like, a promise that someone that an elected official brought this to attention and said, This is what we need to talk about. And then people are like, No, no, this isn't like a good idea. Yeah, let's, let's do it. It's like that. That's like, that's this is what we're talking about. And so it's nothing something like that to that level of like, Oh, I mean, no. prices and you know, people talking to bringing in, you know, talking about taxing Native American nations more but like Bigfoot like that's the thing, but it is also another thing, you know, that that tourism trap of people are talking about it. So then their curiosity kicks in and so then they have to show up and be like, like, I got a Bigfoot. Now I am kind of waiting for it and being that thing that started we did several years ago when they're like, oh, Michael Phelps is gonna raise a shark and then he's like, some CGI thing. So
Collin 1:04:49
that was so lame. I yeah,
Aaron 1:04:51
yeah. No, I it's like, I don't think it'll be something like that. But I am, you know, waiting to be disappointed as long as Who froze for something that is occurring? If it does go just by me it's not like they're doing some sort of shake, but this is what we need it.
Collin 1:05:17
Yeah, that's a good point. Currently. Other things to worry about right now. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I don't have any balance shares my fascination with the strange culture that is the Bigfoot phenomenon. Right? And so like, I just I just, it's one of those like guilty pleasure things that I indulge in and every once in a while, like watch the shows because it's always shows about it. Right. I try to stay off the internet part about it because that's, like, scary place to live. Right. But like, I don't know, I think cuz like, scientifically, let's be real. This is the most improbable thing
1:06:06
ever. Right?
Collin 1:06:09
Yes, like, okay, so like For comparison, today, I read that a new species of chameleon was discovered in Madagascar. sucker is like, an inch and a half long. Oh, Max. So
1:06:25
do I buy that? You've never seen that before? Yes, absolutely. Do I buy that there's absolutely no evidence ever of a eight foot tall ape in the forest. No, that's ridiculous. Come on. What are you talking? Oh.
Collin 1:06:45
Well, I think that's the part that's fascinating is it speaks to this, like desire for that unknown. Like, that mysterious thing? You know, I mean, like, that's kind of the part that's fascinating to me is that people so desire to, like, have that mystery. Right, like, the mystery the latch on to. And I think it's really exacerbated by like, you said, like, you know, the Google age where there's, you know, there's not a lot of mystery around. You know, like, Oh, what's this mean? August? I just find out right now. Now, I know. So I think part of its prevalence is that it is, you know, presented as this mystery. And like, people like to have bad mystery. I think it's
1:07:36
speaks to them on some level that they require that, you know, I mean, that's what I think.
Aaron 1:07:43
I don't know. Like, I I had a while he was at my college professor, but he was an college professor who actually like minor in cryptozoology. I was like,
Collin 1:08:01
I thought that was the money thing. Like I did.
Aaron 1:08:03
Not like the people like that is the thing people study like,
Collin 1:08:06
but I thought it was a thing people study inside, like, just like, yep, I studied it, which is like them reading Reddit and like old weird internet forums. Like I didn't know. I was like an official.
Aaron 1:08:17
Yeah, and so I guess I don't know to like, what it is, quote, unquote, like minor was, but yeah, he's I remember. I was more cornered than anything that I have. I'm like, Oh, okay. Wow, that's crazy. Thank you for this. I appreciate it. I just remember going through that of how this is this this guy's here. But yeah, it's and I don't know Oklahoma. Just, it's fascinating. Because it's like, it's also one of those things like, Oh, that's weird. Wait a second. It's right down the road from me. That part is also kind of unique experience of like, Oh, this can't be real. Like, is it because you don't live that far from it? So you could go find out yourself right. in our own backyard. True.
Collin 1:09:21
What I really want right now is the biologists thought on Bigfoot.
1:09:27
Calling I need you to weigh in here. I want to know your opinion.
Collin 1:09:31
This is gonna be good. I don't I don't know about that. I just say like, the whole all the crypto stuff. I think there are definitely I what's what's unfortunate is that some of the crypto creatures get lumped into creatures that
Aaron 1:09:47
were
Collin 1:09:48
actually real. So like xyla thing. You don't like that one. Is that right? Is that the right word? Did I just throw that out of my brain? What am I got out of camp? coelacanth looking at
1:10:02
ya coelacanths are you can you sound like you combine xylene and like xylophone? I don't
1:10:08
know. What's the one what's
1:10:10
a fish? Right?
Collin 1:10:11
Yeah. So, yeah, so the coelacanth is the one I don't know what's the what's the Australian one called? The
1:10:21
that has a
Collin 1:10:23
Okay, my brain is gonna my brain is gonna catch this one in just a second. It's like the coelacanth like it was relegated to cryptozoology. But it's like that's what? That's it is not fair that's not the right spot for it right there because it doesn't belong there. Bigfoot that like the I get frustrated when they get lumped in the same thing like that and then just knowing like
1:10:52
that our
Collin 1:10:55
our habitats or ecosystems have only very recently been able to support bears. Um, yeah, like have been decimated I know they'll say well, but like there are some remote places. Yeah, I know. There are some rebel places. They're not that remote. Especially in that regime. Right? Yeah. Especially not in eastern Arkansas. Right. Like, it sounds. I know that sounds exotic. Right? If you are one of our European or Indian listeners, you like where's Eastern Arkansas? First of all, it's not really as cool as it sounds. Right. Let me tell you that right now. Like the Boston mountains are like, kind of remote. But, you know, something that like if you think about if you just think about like the the habitat necessary to sustain a gorilla population? Yes.
1:11:43
Right. Like, they found gorillas
Collin 1:11:47
pretty, like that's an interesting story, if you don't know about the discovery of gorillas, because nobody believed that dude either, right? But he was like, Look, there it is right there. And then they were okay. But that's not that habitable zone is is pretty large, converge small group of gorillas. And, yeah, that's right. And that's, that's where I come back to have like you, you got to be honest here of just how unrealistic not just whether an organism could or could not exist, but whether it could function and survive in a given ecosystem. Right? Like, you can't, you can't Yeah, outside of that, right. Sure. Could we think of a world or ecosystem that that this animal could could exist? Sure. But in the real world, with the limitations on this, especially when you look at analogues, like gorillas, like these other large animals, like they, they have a presence that is made known to support the organism, right? Like, it just that's where I come to have just like, yes, as the system, could the system support this could have find enough food could if orange could find mates? Let's just get to that point. Like, that's a big important point.
Aaron 1:13:08
Right, like, like,
Collin 1:13:10
above and beyond anything else? Like, you have to come up with each one of those cornerstones of what makes the organism able to survive and thrive. And go do you meet all of these if you don't, it's not going to exist. Like, that's where I
1:13:28
guess these are very good points. I like Aaron, do you have thoughts on Bigfoot?
Aaron 1:13:35
So it's I remember watching the History Channel or Discovery Channel, like monster hunters. Oh, yeah. So I remember I remember watching two parts of that. The first part for like, a part of being like, oh, here's, here's Gustaf the gigantic, you know, like, not saltwater crocodile. Nile crocodile or something in Africa. Wherever you like, okay, like, you know, there's giant crocodiles. Like this is real. Oh, yes, I see that. Oh, look at that. And then they had like, they would have those stories of like, the Jersey Devil, which again freaks me out when I was younger. And I didn't like going out at night. Or being like a bird. Like my my two extreme my two levels of what creature that is. Is that a bachelor? That a dirty devil like Why?
1:14:37
It's a very extreme. Dude. It's
Aaron 1:14:38
like a
1:14:40
dirty devil, man. It's so bad. Like what?
Aaron 1:14:45
Like, like for me, especially when I was younger. Get all the nasty in Loch Ness. Again, that same same exact show. Whenever whenever I watched it, and I Like, no, this could very much be a Greenland shark. Oh, my gosh. Your brain like exploding. And so like seeing the progression of like, how popular or how like crazy people were critical, not the right word of people like this. I I studied this thing for years. And this is something that I I followed like all crazy, like, what's your degree in like, I didn't go to college? What do you like? So things like that and just saying, like how crazy it's gotten over the years. And wouldn't it be cool if there was something? Yeah, but also how incredibly terrifying if like a scientist showed up and I was like, No, dude, like, this is this is real. And and then having the you know, the two different kind of mindset of like, Oh, we must preserve this or people like Oh, I got this and now I got a mounted on my wall and and having to hold a cool blog hearing all that nothing in the news for ever. So I would I think it'd be cool. Absolutely, it would, it would still be terrifying. But like, kind of what we talked about several podcasts ago of like the any, any Tiger people I now do this, like, back like it's not like a book there. It is. Like, hey, things like that. of like, you know, people want to read it reintroduce it. Those scientists are like do we can bring back woolly mammoth out who that
1:16:51
I saw dress apart? I know how that sounds? Don't do that.
Aaron 1:16:53
Yeah. But there is a group of scientists that were trying to bring back some ancient owl. I don't remember what it was called
Collin 1:17:04
the aurochs. Those are called the Nazis. They tried to be
Aaron 1:17:10
so okay, don't listen to me. Um,
Collin 1:17:14
I think there was another group, they tried to do it first. They did it in a weird, a weird, wrong way.
Aaron 1:17:18
But they're like, do we can bring back these, you know, like things like that, like, in a safe way that like, you know, if it was meant to bring back some sort of, you know, population of something in a safe way, then like, Oh, I don't see that happening. But as long as the young child, I mean, I would have to say we could work on songs like, would it be good? Yeah. I don't know. There's a lot of emotions, feeling at the moment, you know, is this something that I want? And if I do have it, like, you know, that is where Aaron stand on the point and go
Collin 1:18:07
like it. So what do you think is driving the people that? Like, what are they seeing that make them believe so heartily in this? What are your thoughts? And I have, I have a very long, strange theory to spin to you after this, I want your take on it.
Aaron 1:18:23
Though, in, in stuff that I've written about in some of the, you know, more. But you know, kind of more older Americans ancient Americans have, no, either than just not like, or just people back then. Because if you look at like, people's descriptions on certain words, or on certain creatures, and then people like, Well, you know, we don't have pictures take of this. Like, let me just draw it. And then having people like, take a draw a picture of it, and then being like, Whoa, is this what you saw? You're like, I don't know. And then having that circulate is also kind of a fascinating thing of like, this is what one dude said about this one creature that one time, and Is this right? We don't know, let's see what happens. And I think over time, you know, people will see things that they kind of want to believe that whole Well, no, I I saw this, like this was real. And then having them, you know, portray that level of whatever. I don't know really, either. It'd be tough to explain something. Or for people to that need to explain something. I have no, no idea. I can't say what people want to do. All right, Colin, and I I probably do have a longer answer, like add
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to the table. I mean, that's right. Okay.
Collin 1:20:07
So like, I think, Aaron, you hit on it towards the end there there is the physical aspect of what are they saying? And then there's the psychological aspect of why do they want to be seeing it? And I guess, right, so I think there is this
1:20:29
drive
Collin 1:20:30
a need to not be alone in the world. And to have something else out there to have a connection with that deep in the human psyche, there is this idea, or need for always something else. And especially for things that are like us, like we're really drawn to that. And that gets into a little bit about our brains are really good at pattern matching. You know, kind of like the snap to grid problem of anything that's even close to something. Like that's why our brains are really bad at being random, or picking or writing down random hours and sequence. Oh, yeah. Right, we are pattern driven. And especially when things are patterned around us and what it means to be human. Babies instantly connect with a human face immediately, right? That's the first thing they look. And they constantly are fixated on that and that sticks with us throughout our entire life. So because we have this brain because we have this need to be connected as to something larger and to find other things like us. The rustling of, of a deer and the glimpse of something of brown walking behind a tree immediately throws you into this something more than what is there. And then you start right then then there are just these quote, logical leaps, or not even leaps, these logical steps again, quote unquote, logical steps that you that you take to get you to the point where you think something's there when it's not it. But that gets to Why do you sounds and a house sound like the axe murderer coming to get you? Why do Yeah, right. But But again, because our brain is trying to make these logical connections to make sense of the world. And you have all these things that that drive, and combine in it that, I think result in this, this perception of like, no, I
1:22:45
genuinely saw this. And it's like, Yeah, I know, I really think you think you saw had Yeah, absolutely.
Collin 1:22:52
That's what you think. And you can't really change people's mind at that point. And that's why they're so passionate about it, because there's this, there's this underlying need, unlike bra
1:23:02
that's moving them in this way.
Collin 1:23:08
I like it. Okay, interesting. me anyway, so, no, I like that. I'm gonna piggyback off of some of that here. Just a minute, if I can find the name of this place, but I don't remember currently. Um, so I i think that is kind of it right that
1:23:28
there is that like, psychological connection to this kind of stuff. But I think that it is way.
Collin 1:23:37
So here's the theory that I've sort of stumbled upon. That I find fascinating. And that I'm going to go with for the purposes of this discussion. Okay.
1:23:48
This like Aaron brought up part of it. This this whole Bigfoot thing is not like a new
Collin 1:24:00
situation, right? It's not like a new story. This This wasn't like invented like, yesterday. Right? So the thing that fascinates me is like, what, where they come from, why? Why is it happening? What does this mean? Right? So I was talking to a guy in New Zealand, okay, he was a Maori guy. I was at this like, it's called, I found the name is called tippu. Yeah. It's a like a. It's a school for native Maori people to go and learn about their cultural history. It's really sweet price, really amazing. People from all over the islands go there. And they learn about the culture history, and then they take that knowledge back to their villages and their towns where they live, and kind of share it with everybody. Right? It's super rad. We definitely need that in the United States, like so bad for some of the tribal stuff. I think it'd be the coolest thing ever. But you can go there. So he was telling me about Kind of like traditional Maori beliefs and stuff. And the whole Maori tradition was originally oral. Right? Not writing. It's survived orally for a very long time. Now, as Western school of thought tells us oral tradition is rubbish, right? written documentation is the only reliable source. Right? That's kind of what we think that comes to us from like the Enlightenment era. Right? written documentation is the only trusted source. Right? Okay. Um, he was explaining to me a native perspective on oral tradition. And he was talking, I might get this wrong. So any buddy out there, I apologize. If I get this backwards, please let me know. But he said it, there's two parts.
1:25:55
There is the story, it's told in a story form to help remember it.
Collin 1:26:03
And then there is a context that is given. Secondly, right. So you know, you have to know the story part, because a lot of these are like, you know, like mythological kind of story things. But there is also a contextual element that they then
1:26:22
tell you. The other part is just to help remember it. And then to come here. So
1:26:29
thinking that some of these
Collin 1:26:35
initial thought from a lot of this stuff and why it's so pervasive and widespread is that at some point in the past,
1:26:43
it was real. Right, but I'm not talking like
Collin 1:26:48
100 years ago, to I'm talking like, 1000s of years ago, like, possibly up to, right, if we think about us, Aboriginal Australian culture, they have a traditional culture that a stable culture that stretches back at least 10,000 years uninterrupted oral tradition in history. So we could be talking about a very expansive amount of time, a time that Western philosophy tells us to not trust oral tradition.
1:27:20
But it is reasonable that a story could last that long. But that contextual part is gone. Yeah.
Collin 1:27:34
And all we have left is the story. So you're left with this concept that I find interesting, put a folk memory, or sort of, culturally, we remember the thing. But we don't know why. Or why it was important. Right. So maybe there was something like that it could have been, you know, like, you're talking about another species of, of human because, you know, not so long in the distant past, we there was not just homosapien, right, right. There was dozens of other related
1:28:09
hominids. You know,
Collin 1:28:14
it could be from any number of them, maybe one of them was a threat, maybe, you know, this kind of thing. And that story, tradition got lost, right? Or the story part stayed, but that, excuse me, the contextual element of the story disappeared. Over time. Everybody forgot about that part. And the only part that was left was the
1:28:37
story.
Collin 1:28:39
So this thing that maybe used to be a threat, and was a real thing. And was it something that we need to know about? Things stopped existing, but the story didn't. And then that's kind of where this comes from. So that like deep psychological desire is you're connected to it, somehow it like it rings just True enough. Because at some point it was, but it isn't any longer. And that's where some of that connection comes in. I think about why people are so obsessed with it. Why it's so interesting. Right? Like content any any flash of movement in the woods. It's Bigfoot. Right? Even though I find it interesting that the Bigfoot range and the bear range seem to overlap very nicely. You know, I especially like the like, there's no way a black bear brown bear. Yeah, black bears that tall, like, Yes, because all forest ground is flat and even and not undulating even a little bit. Anyway. You know, that is that so like, you're, that's instantly it's like, almost without even ever really learning about it. Like you know about Bigfoot? Yeah, right. It's just, it's just a cultural thing. It's just around like, Aaron's talking about, it's just kind of in that certain area, it's everywhere. It's just culturally prevalent. So little children in that area, they don't ever have to learn about it. They just know it's there. Right? But they're, there's no context for any of it. It's just Yep, it's there. And so you keep steering away from any context that there used to be. And the divide is greater. And so now you only have a story, and you only have this like, you know, shadow in the mist in the forest. Of what used to be, or what could be, but no longer is.
1:30:39
That's my thought.
Collin 1:30:42
It's a little crazy. But like, I kind of like it, it kind of wraps it up nicely for me. Yeah, right. Sort of ties it up a little bit. It is sort of add some stuff to, at least in my mind, kind of like satisfies that. Oh, well. Yeah. It kind of ties together. All the stuff Aaron was talking about. And all this stuff that you were talking about calling like the like, bro, where does it live? How No, come on, like? Like, show me a primate that's quiet? Come on. No, not impossible.
1:31:18
Like, I'll try they have the recorders out there. You know, you got it. You can hear their calls. Night time.
Collin 1:31:25
Yeah. I don't know. That was my thought. That's kind of my time where I'm at currently, I kind of like the folk memory aspect of this, like something that once was true, but isn't any longer? And it? And I think it was true of a lot longer ago, than generally people are willing to think about possible stories reviving that long. I mean, oh, yeah, absolutely. I think especially because of the cultures who
1:31:56
have come before us.
Collin 1:31:58
We're actually much better at passing down stories orally than we are. Because that was what oh, yeah, entirely based on. And they were a lot closer, not just geographically, but personally, and as community wise. So those stories were shared. And we're extremely strong culturally amongst them, because that was how you survive was through storytelling. So it would make sense that they are these these these folk memories or cultural memories from from bygone eras that are just pervasive, because they've persisted through time? Yeah, I think it's a cool idea. I don't know I latched on to that. And that kind of thing was like, Whoa, that's like that. Also, it kind of makes you wonder, like, what else do we do that's like that? If that let's take that as true, but it's just scientifically, let's pretend That's a fact. What else do we do that with and not even know?
1:33:05
Yeah. Right. Like,
Collin 1:33:08
that's another interesting thought experiment. Like, what? What else? Are we actually more connected to from like, deep human history than we even realize? Because it's something that we culturally like, take for granted. And you don't like actually learn it? It's just sort of around. Like, what else could possibly be in a similar vein? Because that's like a fantastical thing? Surely there is something much more mundane? Meaning like, yeah, like, you know, that you don't think of as like, really outsider and strange. Yeah. You know, like, is there possibly other aspects of our cultural
1:33:51
being?
Collin 1:33:52
That the same thing is happening? Right, right. I think that's a, that's a kind of bizarre thing to think about, too, is no, no, no, no, no, and I think listeners should write in definitely.
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Collin 1:34:11
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Collin 1:34:29
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