conflicted about lakes

Collin explored a lake, and is conflicted. Brandon asks why does the sun shine. He also ,on his own free will, watched the two A Farewell to Arms movies. He’s still recovering.

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podcast, tea, coffee, sickness, weather, hiking, Tonka State Park, dam, lake, history, World War One, Sabaton, A Farewell to Arms, Gary Cooper, Rock Hudson, Farewell to Arms, Hemingway, adaptation, cohesion, love story, cynicism, war, tragedy, theme, movie review, character inconsistency, film length, Stanley Kubrick, Christopher Nolan, book vs movie.

SPEAKERS

Brandon, Collin

Collin  00:04

Music. Welcome to Oh brother, a podcast where we try to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon and Collin on this week's show, conflicted about lakes Ahoy, ahoy.

Brandon  00:19

How's our how's it going? Pretty good. How are you sick? But that's funny. Oh, he didn't sound very Oh, sorry to pause, just real quick, already, already pause. Megan literally started calling me as I was, as I was talking. It always happens that way, you know? But

Collin  00:43

yes, alas, I am, I am very sick. Comes to

00:47

the wild temperature fluctuations, have you, it's

Collin  00:50

so bad. It's so bad. Seriously, like, this is the 48 hours of the four seasons. Like, I true. We've got, like, the blizzard warning out for tomorrow, because it's like it's not supposed to snow a whole lot, but the 50 mile an hour winds are going to make it fun. As we're out exploring, enjoying our day, are you? And so my on my head is not happy, my cough is enthused and invigorated, and my my nasal passages are free flowing. So it's, yeah,

01:26

alright, I've got tea.

Collin  01:28

Though I've been, I've been gorging on tea today. So I'm, I have a red raspberry with honey. Oh, right now. It's, there you go. It's, it's a, it's kind of cold because I started it a little bit too long ago. And then I just,

Brandon  01:45

anyway, sorry, I just, you know, just since we're Tea Time with the over the podcast, I generally, when we're recording drink chamomile tea, because it is late. So not late, but like, it is evening time, so sometimes that, or the drinking, love peppermint tea, right? Like, yes,

Collin  02:10

yes, I, I just, we, I have, I really, like, oh, gosh, oh, my family's gonna, what is the word? It's like, it's like an elderberry tea that we drink a lot of. Oh, yeah, I had the last one this morning, and so we

Brandon  02:27

saw some of that today, because she's got some ginger tea. Yeah,

Collin  02:31

recently we've we have some of that, because every now and then the kids get some upset stomachs and stuff that tends to help that. So we, and I found they'll drink it even when it's kind of colder, so I'll steep it and everything, but they can just, that's something they can sip on for their they

Brandon  02:49

can sit around. Yeah, yeah. I've had any that, yeah, cuz you got it the other day. But no, it's been I like that. Yeah, try to drink a lot of herbal tea, since I do gotta counteract that caffeine coffee consumption throughout the day, right? So kind of like, it's just maybe, I don't know what is happening. I don't know, perhaps it's the age, but I'm like, Oh no, I just want to drink a hot thing. And so, like, my brain just like, No coffee, but then it'll be like, 530 I'm like, maybe not the best I've true like six o'clock. I'm like, Yeah, I Okay. Maybe that's not. I've been, I've been really

Collin  03:33

good about not drinking coffee after like two o'clock, like, that's been, I've been trying to stop there. This is big steps for you. I know this is big. Is a big leap, and so I feel like it's been, I've been good about that. But then it has been months since I've had, like, intentionally sought out coffee, because I used to like, as the day was winding down, I little kids with the kids would go to bed, then I would brew a pot of coffee and wonder

04:08

why I had trouble sleeping.

Collin  04:10

Start working sense. And so now I've stopped that, and that's been good, but I did do it the other day, because I was like, what was it? Oh, I didn't get started on something until, like, really, really late. And so I, I had, I did brew a small cup of coffee, but I didn't, I didn't make it as and the problem, also, the problem is, is that when I brew coffee, I only have a French press, and so it's like,

Brandon  04:43

dense coffee, oh yeah, it's yeah. I'm the opposite. I do. Okay, so I may or may not sometimes commit coffee crimes, right? So, like, all right, coffee purists, close your ears. Do? Oh, listen, don't listen to this. Okay, don't, don't listen right? Like this. So sometimes after work, what I do because I have coffee, just normal coffee pot, right? And so sometimes after work, what I do is I just, like, throw in a little bit of a scoop and then just rebrew the grounds from this morning. Oh, like, just a little so it's like, yeah, just like, you throw a little bit more in there to kind of like, spruce it up. But it's like, way weaker than before afternoon coffee, so it doesn't matter. But like, just re brew the grounds that are already there. It's a very college dorm room. Move, right? But like, I'll just be like, oh, I want something a little hot, and I want a little bit of coffee, because I like coffee. It's like, and so, but it's a it brews a much weaker version of it, right? And I don't care, whatever. So I do that. I do commit coffee crimes, uh, on occasion. So don't worry. Okay, all right, you can now take, you can now put your headphones back on, right? You

Collin  06:03

can listen again. Yeah, don't worry about it. Everything's gonna be fine. The

06:10

Yeah, yeah. I

Collin  06:14

I have also brewed coffee set at my desk. Then I go about my day, then I'll come back and I'll be like, Oh, coffee. And I'll just, I'll just drink it. I'll just, I don't, I don't, I don't go back. And sometimes I'll drink it cold. And Megan is like, what, what are you

Brandon  06:30

doing? Yeah, no, I microwave it, right? I'll just be like, Oh, it's a little bit cold. Or sometimes it's just like, I don't even, I was like, oh, there's some in the pot from earlier. I was microwave that, and it's fine. Like, I don't care. Again, coffee, crimes, sorry. Oh, well, it's fine. Okay, do what you gotta do. You know, it's all right. Like, yeah, so, yeah, yeah. So, that's what

Collin  07:03

I have been I've been trying to overcome sickness, drinking more tea. It's been a very busy week so far, apparently, getting ready for Snowmageddon number 17,

07:17

and surely not. I'm sure they'll just be some blowing wind, and then it'll be over with.

Collin  07:23

We're supposed to get two inches of snow. Are you? Yes,

Brandon  07:26

bro, okay, we're supposed to be like, a little bit of, like, a little teeny bit of snow, like, like, the dusting, if that. Yeah, I think we're too far south, but we may get some, but I don't know. I don't think it'll be those. I don't think it'll be too bad. It's just, it was just like, Really, okay, here we go. Yeah, it's been very weird, but we'll see. We'll see what happens. I don't know, but it's supposed to be super windy, so that'll be and cold, cold and windy. Hooray, favorite combo. Oh, wait, no,

Collin  08:05

that is, yeah, yeah. Trying to remind the team this this week, like, remember to break out your jackets again. So if you put them away, remember that choice.

Brandon  08:17

First of all, if you're living in Missouri and you're putting your jacket away. You're putting your coat away, the coat, winter coat, you're putting your winter coat away. And the first of March, what are you doing that you should know better. Okay, that's just not, that's just silly. Can't be doing that, right? You can't be, can't be put in the winter, because sometimes you need that sucker in April, right? You just gotta have it on hand. You gotta have it ready, right? You can't, you know, put that thing in the closet to, like, May, right? And that's when, that's when, that's when you put it away, right? That's when you go, Okay, you go in there now, right? You can't, you can't, you got to have that, that thing, ready to go in a moment's notice, because again, one day, it will be like, 65 degrees, and the next day it will be 35 degrees, right? You just never know

Collin  09:08

exactly. It'll just, wow, I jump out and get you, and you just have to roll with it, yeah?

Brandon  09:15

You just annoying them. So, like, yeah, I didn't even put away my socks. I got big socks I got big socks ready to go for tomorrow. Like, alright, it's gonna be COVID.

Speaker 2  09:28

Just gotta be ready. No, I understand, damn. So, yeah, I don't know what's, how's, how's

Collin  09:34

your Drew? Are you finally back into the swing of school and everything? Have you gotten back on a good

Brandon  09:40

trajectory, yeah, mostly, right. Just kind of got back in doing things, presentations tomorrow. So, oh, man, exciting, right? So I accidentally discovered that this week is like Severe Weather Preparedness Week, right? And we're doing severe weather. Presentations. I was like, Guys, look, we accidentally are topical. Look at that. Hooray. Oh, just tell amazing. I did not do that on purpose. I was 100% accident. I read like this morning, and I was like, Hey, look at there. Let's go. So that was fun. But, yeah, it's all right. It's just sort of like third quarter, winding up trying to get everything under control to start shenanigans of fourth quarter, right? I also keep forgetting, like,

Brandon  10:42

really bad about remembering that there's other stuff that has to happen, right? So I'm just like, locked in on what I'm doing, and then some of my teammates will be like, Hey, uh, remember, there's that other thing on Thursday. I'm like, What do you mean? Oh, no, I mean?

Brandon  11:02

It keeps, like, slightly messing up my plan, like these other, like, school activities that have to happen, right? Like, okay, I'm gonna do this. Like, Oh, but we're doing this celebration Thursday. Like, no, or we're doing this thing Friday, dang it, because that

Collin  11:26

plan, Oh no, what my beautiful plans my beautiful

Brandon  11:32

they're gone. No. So it kind of messes me up a little bit. It's always the afternoon, which I guess is better, in retrospect, than my science class, because that's annoying when that gets messed up. But, like, it's fine, but it's just like, oh yeah, dang it. I forgot that that was a thing that we had to do. No. Really bad about remembering, like, whole school things, right? I just don't remember that. I think my brain catalogs it as not a crucial information. And then I just forget about it, right? I'm just like, and then someone reminds me, like,

Collin  12:18

my plans, no, okay. Oh, man, to have, yeah, when you're like, Ah, my my schedule. Never mind. It's not my own. It's not my schedule. It's just no

Brandon  12:30

suggestion towards me this point, yeah. So other than that, it's fine, but like, that's what we're trying to, trying to get through this figure out just the weirdness that is have has to happen fourth quarter. There's all kinds of like, other stuff that has to happen, right? You start getting into, like, end of year stuff you can't do dumb testing nonsense, right? You gotta do all that. So whatever like that takes a big chunk of time and takes away from all the other things you have to do. So yeah, deal with that soon, I guess, but not yet, not yet, not yet. It is also almost parent teacher conference time again, so I gotta make sure I have all grades done and everything by the end of this week. So that's fun, too. The grind of like, oh yeah, check all this work. Are you missing anything? Oh, good grief. Why are you still not turn that in? Like, that's the oh, that's

Collin  13:34

the missing all of these things. Yes,

Brandon  13:36

because it's the chronic problem of like, there'll be a student who's like, if they're missing a lot of work for me, they're also missing work for the other teachers. So

Collin  13:50

the water cooler and, yeah,

Brandon  13:52

right. So like, that person getting it now becomes a problem, right? Like, when, how, what? Like, Oh, no. Like, so that's a thing, because it's fight for time, right about, like, oh, when can I do this within? So that's a little bit tricky. So other than that, not too bad just trying to chill. Really, haven't really been doing too much exciting things recently, still been not, like, everything's so busy it's not time to, like, do stuff. So like, you

Collin  14:43

know, yeah, now we, we tried to, we stole away this past weekend to go on another escapade. We did not go as a far, not a far field, not as far as a field is. As Kansas, we stuck closer to our own state, and we drove to the, haha, Tonka State Park. Oh yeah. Really enjoyed this. I It's one of those things, like, we've been talking about it, and like, wanting to go, and then, like, we should do this, and it's like, Oh, you didn't go trout fishing. I didn't man

15:25

to do it.

Collin  15:27

Failed. Sorry. But no, we went down. And I am reminded of just what a lovely place this is. And I am very happy that, first off, it's been, I think, I mean, I went with Kevin and Kyle a couple years ago, five years ago now, we just met up and hiked. And before then, it had been years, decades now since I had been not

Brandon  16:00

important. That's fine. But yeah, I would say, I would say that's accurate. Yeah,

Collin  16:08

I know. And that makes me sad. But anyway, this time we went this weekend, obviously it was like the first kind of sunny, ish, warm day on a Saturday, and so I don't know what I was expecting. This has always been just kind of a sleepy little place where you never see anybody. There were so many people out. There were tons of people out on the trails, and I had that feeling of a I'm really happy that more people and of all varieties out on the trails too, like that was the other thing that I loved. Of like, everybody looks completely different. What language are you speaking? I don't know. Like, cool dreads, awesome face tattoo. Like cool like, just people out having fun, enjoying outside and hiking and one of my favorite places. And then I then the crowd started to hit me, and I was like, oh, oh, it's really crowded. Like, man. It kind of takes away from the special, like out there Ness. And I remembered, well, but that's the whole point of it. Being here is for people to enjoy. So I had some conflicted feelings about the crowded nature of the park. But we did,

17:25

this is my park go away,

Collin  17:26

right? I was like, oh no, oh no, I'm that guy. Oh no, oh no, it's me. So hiked some new trails with the kids that I had never hiked before. Went down to the old quarry, where, again, the other cool part were like, Oh, here's this massive building, and where'd all the stuff from? Oh, they just mined it. It's like, okay, cool. And then hiked around the top. They kids loved seeing the post office that's so close to the road as you go around the corner. Hiked up through the what is it? The the cost? It's called the Coliseum trail, but it goes underneath the natural bridge. Oh, okay, yeah.

Brandon  18:07

And, like some of these other things you're saying, I don't remember, because it's also been, yeah, a very bit of time since I was there. Think I was in high school. So we need to talk less about how long ago that was. But it's fine.

Collin  18:21

There's this park, and there's some trails and stuff and things. But then we hiked the trail that goes by the lake all the way back to the spring, right? And that okay? And then you hike the then you have to go up, like, the 300 stairs or whatever along the Yes,

18:35

I remember that part, like,

Collin  18:37

super cool. And, yeah, yeah, we it was, it was really nice. We, like, hiked a little bit in the morning, then we went and had lunch, then we came back and hiked. And I don't know it was just one of the parts that I very have, like, almost no memories of, is that there's, like, there's an island out there where the original gristmill was back in the mid 1800s I didn't, yeah, yeah. And, you know, we need to explore that. And there's a, there's the balancing rock. What's the balancing rock? I said, I'm gonna give you a one guess. And of course, when I say that, it's like, okay, Dad means something that there's really obvious, and then silent. And then Lily says, is, is it a rock that's balancing? I was like, yes, yes, it is. Nailed

19:29

it. Good job.

Collin  19:33

And then, you know, you walk by and you're like, okay, cool. It's a, it's a rock that's balancing. Anyway.

19:37

Yeah, neat. Okay, keep going.

19:46

Oh, man, but

Collin  19:47

no, I It's a, it's, it was beautiful out. And, yeah, we, they're, what were they doing? There was some construction going on at some point. Yeah. But I had really forgotten that the water tower out there, so there's a water tower, a carriage house, and then the castle and the water tower. Yeah,

Brandon  20:09

I didn't remember. All I can remember is the quote, Castle bit, right? That's all I remember. Are the mansion ruins, yeah, I don't really remember there being this. Other things I remember. They're like the big walkway, the wood walkway bridge, thing that goes like wake or I remember that thing, that

Collin  20:25

walkway goes right past their the original water tower there. It's a five story, 80 foot, whatever they say five stories, but it's like 80 feet up brick or sorry stone water tower. The top was the steel tank that held the water for the compound Castle, whatever that they pumped about the spring. But the but four stories of spring, yeah were, were the living quarters of all of the like, help and yeah, servants quarters, servants quarters.

20:57

But

Collin  20:58

they live stories and

Brandon  21:04

that can't be great to have to live in a water tower. Well, like, that's,

Collin  21:09

it's an actual just, like, building, like, it's just a tall five story building, like, a little, I know, but like, doesn't make you feel good, I guess. No, it's probably, like, damp, oh, that was the other thing of

Brandon  21:23

like and like, where I realized, you know, like, oh,

Collin  21:27

there's no chimney on this place. Yeah. Where did they get their

Brandon  21:32

heat? Exactly, nowhere. Yeah, smokey rooms. Like, really,

Collin  21:44

yes. So I was like, well, that's fun. And then I was looking at the carriage house, and it was large enough to hold, Oh, hold on, 30 cars and 100 carriages. Is is that right? Yeah, something like that. I don't need 100 carriages. I think, I think this was, you know, if you had guests over for like, a party, this was where everybody marked their stuff.

Brandon  22:15

Even back then, Americans were not carpooling. Look at that. That's just

Collin  22:18

how this, yeah, yeah, no, I know. This is how early 1900s no carpooling. No carpooling is for losers, right? This is where are these people coming from, too. That was the other thing of going. This is in the middle of nowhere, like it's in the middle of nowhere now. And the only reason it's somewhere is because they flooded a bunch of towns and, yeah, like, and they built a lake. Who else was out here?

Brandon  22:46

Are they carriging from Kansas City out to hamdenton for no reason whatsoever? Like, that's a good question. Maybe that's it. Who is coming out here?

Collin  23:00

I was very confused, because that kind of hit me of like, well, this surely they didn't all this wasn't for just the owner and his family. Like, they didn't own 30 cars and have 100 characters. This is storage stuff and stuff. But, like, I don't understand. So that was fun. And then, and then, of course,

Brandon  23:19

but no, this is Gilded Age America, so, like, you could own stuff just to own it, right? Like this one, just to be like, I do own loser, and the servants can't use any of them. They have to sleep in the dank water tower. Yes.

Collin  23:42

Anyway, then, of course, you're by the lake. And so I says to myself, self, where is the one place you need to go? If you're on a lake in Missouri, you gotta, you gotta drive over the dam, obviously. I mean, obviously, obviously. So

Brandon  24:00

I don't know if this is true, but almost all lakes in Missouri are just damn so then

Collin  24:05

you gotta go see the dam. So we drove over Bagwell dam, which is fine, but then we found there's a history museum that's operated by Ameren right by the dam. And what I it was rather sad, because basically I realized, like, Oh, this is kind of, this is their. This is the most public that they're going to be about the damages done to the local communities back in the throes. This is their.

Brandon  24:38

This is their, my bad, like, a small plaque in the corner.

Collin  24:44

Like, I mean, they had photos of some of the towns that had moved. Like, Zora is one of the really big ones out there. Yeah, Lynn Creek is another one that was moved. And they had photos of before and after. Um, but what also I realized, of when they talked about. How they did they would do, they had to destroy some of the buildings before the lake was flooded. This literally meant that they just set them on fire,

25:10

or just, like, kicked them over, like, all right, oh, they just done.

Collin  25:14

But they moved entire towns. And so there were stories. There were some of those stories for out a couple different towns and stuff about what's going on, but had some neat things in there, like the model, or how the dam would work. Okay? It's 1920 you're wanting to build a really large dam. What would you make your model out of?

25:38

It's 1920 I don't know, plaster.

Collin  25:42

No, they built it out of wood. Oh,

25:45

yes, of course, that was my second kid.

Collin  25:47

Yes, yes, and they still have it. They still have the original one that was used.

Brandon  25:52

That's pretty cool. Yes, this was really cool. I

Collin  26:00

really liked seeing that part. And then they had photos of all the construction, various stages and stuff, which, you know, I had never seen before. And it was really trippy, because they have a photo as they are basically trenching in what will soon be the base of the dam, yeah. And you can see the entire river valley, and you can see the little, a little little Osage sitting there, not like,

26:27

yeah, no, man, it gives you

Collin  26:30

a lot of mixed feelings, you know, and, and that was, that was something that I try to as as much as you can to a seven and nine year old talk about like this is the lake is immensely beneficial to the economy and to the power grid and to quality of life for cities and people. It was also extremely devastating to 1000s of fan plates and was a massive hit and impact to the local cultures and the native history as well. And this is and now we're left with that standing in a fake lodge I'm looking at, looking at a little diorama of how things are set up. It all just felt. It all just felt a little weird. It was conflicted.

Brandon  27:29

Yeah, that is a, yeah, yeah, I Yeah. It is a, it's a rough one, like, it's like, on the one hand, it is like, like you could talk about, like the economic development that followed from dam creation, but also that economic development is just Like, tourism only, right? So like, Oh yeah, it's not like, I don't, you know that's only so meaningful, and it only brings in, like, so many dollars, right? Like,

28:15

you know, you could have had tourism without the lake, you know, like you could, you could have done that, the thing that could have happened, right? So, yeah, no,

Collin  28:30

I totally, like, it really is warped around one particular thing, and that's that makes it tough again, like, how much it cost benefits everybody, like, this is where we are. And I know this, you know, obviously that is, that is the Tail. Tail is oldest time with, with history and reflecting back on, on these things. And I just thought it was, was very poignant in that time to be, you know, standing, marveling at the engineering, marveling at these things. And then also, yeah, you know, then this is a weird this was a choice. This was the decision made

29:08

and

Collin  29:10

feeling the repercussions, because everything. And then obviously, then towards the very back of it's like, oh yeah. And also, they didn't know anything about like paddlefish. And by the dam was built in 1935 and by the 60s, there were basically no paddlefish.

29:32

No, yeah, migratory fish species, Whoopsie daisy.

Collin  29:40

So yeah, that was another thing of of talking to the kids about and look, they made this decision, and they didn't know this. They didn't know this massive fish needed anything and uninterrupted.

Brandon  29:54

Yeah, yeah. They're my great tree. They do love a good headwater, which. Spawning, you know, fish, you know. So it's very problematic when there's a giant wall in front of the place you need to go to have babies, this, this doesn't work out, right? Doesn't work out. And

Collin  30:18

what's actually really interesting is we had taken a walk the previous couple days before, and we were standing on this really small bridge. It's a box culvert, and I'm standing on there, and we're watching the little stream trickle down, and I noticed that the downstream edge is like 18 inches above the bottom of the stream bed, right? It's elevated as everything is in the Ozarks, yeah? And, and I just, I looked at that, and I said, Hey, um, look at, look at that. And you see that little waterfall that's a broken deal falling over there. They're like, yeah. I said, Do you think a fish could swim up that, you know? And so interestingly, we had that discussion, and then a couple days later, I'm like, Now, look at this massive it's the same thing,

31:13

not going up that one,

Collin  31:14

no, definitely not, definitely not

Brandon  31:17

the Spry little jumping fish can only go so far enough, exactly?

Collin  31:22

Yep, we don't have any native fish species with real good jumping capabilities and No, no

Brandon  31:30

shuttle catfish, not quite a leaper, you know, yeah, you know, auto fish, no, no gar, no alligator gar, no, Blue Cat

Collin  31:43

No. So no, yeah, there's a theme here before, yeah.

Brandon  31:50

It's almost like there shouldn't be large obstructions and waterfalls on downstream river areas that are large rivers of Missouri, yeah, and floodplain regions. Interesting.

Collin  32:06

That was, that was really weird, seeing these photos of the time period without the dam, and seeing what the natural river valley looked like and how everything was arranged. That was the part where I was like, Oh, wow, okay, yeah, like, that's not what we have at all. And then they had this map that was really impactful. They had a map from the, like, 1880s of the river channel all the way from, like, Warsaw all the way over, right? And that's a whole other thing. Because then they, Oh, yeah, made Truman, and that's

32:38

what. So, yeah, I'm not talking

Collin  32:41

about that history. Yep. That history yet, but then they had all the the towns that were on there, and then in very faint blue they drew where the water level was today, right? And that's where you really saw how much was gone, how much was gone, and you're just counting. And I think there was like 20 towns, right? Like 20 that were just, oh yeah, taken out, and that map was really where I was just kind of staring at that, going, yeah,

33:16

yeah. And also,

Collin  33:17

you've ruined my drive times across the state. So thank you that

Brandon  33:19

you really have. You really messed that up big time, right? Like, I can't drive across Middle Missouri because you stuck some giant lakes there in the wrong spot, right? The place where nary a lake should be seen. You just stuck the big old lake. Several of them, right? I was looking at the map of Missouri, and some of these, I don't remember that they exist, right? I'm like, oh yeah. I'd like, until you said it. I was like, I do. I always forget that Truman Lake is there, right? Like, I don't, I know, I don't, because I never go that way, right? I'm never up there around. I'm like, oh, yeah, there is a lake.

Collin  34:05

Yeah, it's so crazy that ghost age has those two Mammoth

Brandon  34:10

Lakes on there. And yeah, Truman's really big treatment is huge, yeah.

Collin  34:19

And then even, even off the branch of that, they've got Stockton. And then what's the other one there that I always is that? So I don't know if it's still part of Truman or not, but like, well,

34:30

it's not too far the South, but it's something. It's but

Collin  34:33

it's on the SAC River, which flows into Truman. Oh,

34:35

yeah, that's true. I guess that is true because the dam is on the north.

Collin  34:40

It's like, that's how and human is just blood control for bagel. Yeah, that's all it is. Because bag they built bagel, and they're like, Oh, this is terrible. We have so much water we can't actually generate power because the flood pulses. They went, Okay, that's fine. We'll. Just put one literally, like, you drive over to bridge into, it's so ridiculous, into Warsaw on your you pass over basically, the last little, tiny, little sliver of of Lake of the Ozarks, and then immediately is a dam. And it's like so the dam, the lake, comes right up to the base of the dam of the next flood, and it's just meant to be a reservoir to feed water into Bagnal. And the whole system is insane. How they have that set up. Yeah, yeah. Palm deterra is part of that

Brandon  35:39

system. I'm looking at a map here, and palm to tear also, the palm tear river feeds the southern branch of Truman Lake. Okay, yeah, so flood, the flood. So there's a dam there that makes palm de terre, and it goes north, also into Truman Lake. Truman, yeah, yeah, which is crazy to think, right? Like, it goes, like, Truman Lake goes all the way over to Clinton. Like, what the heck that's enormous. Like, it's so it's so big. I don't ever, I don't, yeah, it's, again, I forget how large this is. And then you look at on the map, and you're like, oh my god, it goes from Osceola all the way over here. What in the world?

Collin  36:29

What the heck, yeah, it's a weird it's a weird complex that they have set up there.

Brandon  36:36

And it is very weird. It also just talks to you about, just like looking at the drainage right, you can see just how much more elevated southern Missouri is than the rest of the state, because all of these rivers are flowing north, which is, like, really odd, because, you know, this talks about, like, even though, like, Just how much higher the Ozark Plateau is than northern Missouri, right? All the rivers are going that way, and then over toward the Mississippi, way north, and then, like, they flow north and then turn east, like, That's bizarre. They kind of share the same basin as the Missouri, right? And like, just go that way, but like, the Osage does. So like, what? Because the Osage drains into the Missouri first. But like, yes, instead of the other way, which is very strange, because down here, all the water just goes straight into the Mississippi, right? So, like, the fact that it goes way north to the Missouri Basin is interesting, weird, yeah,

Collin  37:54

that the Ozark Plateau and the Ozark Mountains, like, you don't really see that impact. You don't really, you don't really feel it, obviously. But if you just, I don't know if you just randomly drove from a town in southwest Missouri north to another town in kind of mid northern Missouri, you feel that. You feel it. So that that drive north is so interesting, because you go just even out of Springfield, you're driving in this up down, up down, up down, and then just gradually, how everything kind of generally levels out, stays down, go down, and oh, here you are. And then you're just in the flat prairies,

Brandon  38:34

yeah, northern glacial plain, right? Like, Oh, wow. Why are there no hills in Chillicothe? Who knew? Like,

Collin  38:52

yeah. So, yeah. So we, we had fun at the lake, and we didn't get in the water cold. It is too cold for that. Still too cold, stayed the late, stayed the night place, and then came back home. So we did a kind of a good, good day trip. It's a good day trip. It's only an hour and 20 minutes from our house. That's much

Brandon  39:13

better than last day trip. That's a much better, much more sustainable type of three hours. Yeah. I mean, it's worth it, but

Collin  39:23

totally worth it, obviously. Thanks train history, dude. But yeah, so that was our fun adventure. So get out. The recommendation there is, get out and explore local parks. Be okay when they're crowded, because it means people are enjoying them. It's fine. And, yeah, don't, don't, don't put any more dams on rivers.

Brandon  39:47

Yeah, question the use of hydraulic electricity as a energy source, right? That's really

Collin  39:54

all just went if we all just went nuclear, it'd

Brandon  39:57

be fine. I mean, if only there was. A massive incandescent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace, where hydrogen is built into helium at a temperature of millions of degrees that you could then harness that power, no and turn it into electricity, if only that, if only something like that existed, that would be, that would be great, right? So, yeah, I think we need to stay away from some nuclear power. I heard some dystopian ideas like, oh, maybe in order to, like, keep the AI computers going that are using 10 times more power to answer AI generated prompts in a Google search. That's cool bit of info, like private companies are thinking about building their own nuclear reactors to run their AI computers because they require so much power. Let's talk about what a terrible idea this is because that means there's no regulation for running them. And remember, Chernobyl happened, okay, well, but I teach you to know that you know happened if you keep carrying with like the most regulation ever, okay? And you

Collin  41:22

only find the bad examples. Of course, you're going to make it look bad. This is the worst example. It's for a very good reason. Yes, we don't want these in every street corner. No.

41:39

Good grief, truly the worst timeline, like, it's just bad. I don't,

Collin  41:47

I know the whole AI thing is so fascinating to see, because on one hand, you go, like, these are the most power hungry things now, and they're and they also use, like, tons and tons of water, and they are just like, the most resource intensive new invention. And, you know, you have countries that are, I don't know, like, what is it? What's the I forget what the exact stat is for China, the rate they build power plants, right? So it's like, oh, yeah, it's massive. And so you can see how somebody may go, like, it's, well, in order for us to keep up with that, like, I have to get power from somewhere in order to keep competing this. And I think there's the whole premise of, like, do, do we want this? Like, this, yeah, the fact, the fact that a lot of people don't even know what to do with the AI that we have, right? Like, they don't know what to do with it, like it does these things. Like, they just know it is there and it works. But, like, what do you point it at and make it do stuff? Yeah, they don't really know, right? They're like, Oh, it can,

Brandon  43:04

like, generate answers. Like, well, that's stupid. I can generate answers. Anything can do that that's not useful. Like, it's not, it doesn't have, like, a clear, defined purpose. So, like, why are we dumping all these resources into a thing that doesn't even, like, we don't even know what it's for. Yeah, right, yeah. Like, it's one thing to dump resources into an interstate highway system, okay? Like, again, it it does things, right? It enables the flow of goods and people, like, blah, blah. Like, Oh, we're just gonna put all of this information into this computer. We're just gonna feed it, like, every bit of information on the internet ever.

43:47

Why? I don't know. We just are like, yeah, if you don't even have an end goal, then what? What are you doing? Like, why?

Collin  44:01

Especially when most people think, Oh, cool. So I have something to write my term papers for or with, like, great, I guess, or useless, like, when I can do something with it. But I think in most people's lives, there is not a a good fit for them. Specifically, like, you really have reason for it to be there right now. I can come up with tons of reasons to use AI and but like, are they practical for most people? Like, is it? Is it practical for most people to Okay, so do I? Me tell you what I what my most recent way, I was like, I literally, okay,

44:42

let's see. An hour ago, okay, ready?

Collin  44:47

We have a dog who we're taking care of, who doesn't like any of his toys, and he's starting to cause some problems. So I wrote a prompt about the dog and some behaviors that we were seeing. And. I also had my staff take photos and lay out all the photos, all of the toys on the ground. And I took photos of what the current toy set was, and I upload the photos. And I first said, identify what's in these photos. It spat it back out. And said, here's what's in here. And I said, Great, these are all the toys for this particular kind of dog. I need new recommendations for dog toys that fit this specific thing. Help me brainstorm ideas. And it shout out. It gave me, you know, it gave me, what, 20, um, most of them, a lot of them were not good ideas. Um, but I did pick up five that I can sit up to the client and say, Hey, here's this option, but that's a weird thing to do

Brandon  45:45

with it. That's true, and that also was enough. You used enough electricity to power Lichtenstein for like, five minutes, right? And so that's like,

Collin  45:54

one when I answer the question, and I know exactly it's like, like, this is these things are so obscure and that in the every day. Like, do, do most people need to be feeding it hours of, I don't know, like, transcribed audio and, yeah, ask, you know, doing things with it, or are they? I don't know, like, it's just, I have yet to see a good product amount. Yes, ai, ai is a thing. Okay, cool. It's a tool. But, like, what? Put it, give it a product. And most people admit, you know, Microsoft, whatever, they're like, we've reinvented Clippy. And you're like, oh, wow, just what everyone

Brandon  46:43

wanted, because everyone loved it the first time, exactly, totally wasn't a joke, right?

Collin  46:49

There's a new, weird Industry Insight here. I just learned that there is a software for dog walkers or pet sitters. They're introducing AI into it, and what it is supposed to do is, what is? It's supposed to summarize dog information for the team member to ingest it quickly. And that's their thing. They're using it to summarize dog information. Oh, dear, and I don't know my man, my email app has introduced AI to summarize emails, and they're never good or helpful. No, there's

Brandon  47:30

never be that most emails I get are, like, five sentences long. Anyway, I mean summary that I know,

Collin  47:35

I know, I know. And so what did I see? The meme of yesterday, of May the person in the office copies a long email and pastes it and says, summarize this for me. And then he sends a response, and then the guy on the other end tells AI to expand my response here to make it look like, I've read this thing that came in, like, basically, it's just us shoveling AI garbage into more AI garbage to have aI talk to AI.

Brandon  48:10

Yes, and like, it's like training itself, and it's like breaking because it's like, yeah, that's great,

Collin  48:17

yeah. I like the ones. It's using us in the middle to just shovel responses back and forth, anyway, whatever.

Brandon  48:24

Yeah, good. That's great. I like the one the like tweet or whatever. That's like, I want, I need AI to wash my dishes and do my laundry so I can make art, not make art for me. So my laundry dishes to watch, yeah,

Collin  48:41

yeah, exactly, exactly it's supposed to be. How do I, you know, I think that's that is that dream of a lot of people have for using it for automating certain things or automating certain tasks and doing things faster so, but in reality, in most people's lives, like, if you think about your home life, or, sure, work applications, probably come up with a couple, but yeah, but

49:10

like, for the most part, like, what do you even do with

Collin  49:12

it? Two, right? And, and if you're

Brandon  49:16

not creative enough, creative enough to think about ways to make to use AI in a useful way. It's like, actually meaningful. Perhaps you're not creative enough to keep shoveling stuff into it at all. Like, I that's just like, I don't know. Oh, right. Just like, stop, stop, stop, stop. Making my winter electricity bill go up because your AI farms are growing exponentially.

Collin  49:50

Yeah, it's it's a weird, it's a weird, weird future with that because

Brandon  49:56

burning down the planet. So I could summarize a Google search for. Masters an email. Not really worth it, right? Wouldn't

Collin  50:05

it be fun if you just, you know, you could get some check boxes, and you could get a summary of a summary, and then,

50:10

no, you want a summary of a summary.

Brandon  50:23

Oh man, all right. Well, I do have I did some homework for you. Oh, yeah,

Collin  50:28

sorry, I totally I meant, hey, that's all right. Talk about bagel Damn. And no,

Brandon  50:34

we shouldn't, because I didn't know how long it's to take, but I saw it so I it's just my segue. I have some I did some homework. I assigned myself some homework, and oh, boy, do we need to talk about this.

Brandon  50:48

Okay, okay, but first, okay, but first, since we are still talking about World War One themes, I do have a world war one metal band of the week for you. Oh, right. Do have a world war one metal album for the week, I decided to just bite the bullet. We danced around it for a long time, right? I mentioned this band several times before. So this week, we do have to talk about Sabaton, right? We do just have to go ahead and do it, Swedish power metal extraordinaire, Sabaton, right? This is a lot more in my wheelhouse. Okay, this is a lot more. This is like power metal. Is like epic choruses, like big symphony, like singing everywhere, yes, so have I been singing along some of these songs today? Yes, that is true. So the album in question, yes, is, of course, the Great War, right? The war to end all wars is actually no, the Great War is a different sabotage album, technically, the war to end all wars, right? This is the album of the week, specifically

Collin  51:57

because,

Brandon  52:01

like, almost Sabaton albums. Uh, every one of these songs is based on, like, a story from World War One, right? So they're all, like, about a thing, okay, some of them are a bit esoteric. You kind of have to, like, dig in there. But their website has like, little clips and things about, like, the story of writing the album, and, like, the stories behind the songs, not to mention all the lyrics and all the lyric videos. And links to all their videos and all their albums are on YouTube. But you can just, like, look at all of them, right? Like, that's nice, yeah, it's very handy. But this album has some epic songs, but one of them, of course, is soldiers of heaven, which is about the Italian front in the Alps. Yeah, so the Italian Austrian front in the Alps, specifically the Battle of the Col de Lana, which I read a little bit about today. And basically it was a huge like, just like in the book, right? They're just fighting to take the mountain, and they Italians decided, You know what, we're just gonna mine the mountain, and then the Austrians were gonna counter mine it, and they detonated their counter mine tunnel, but it wasn't far enough, and it missed the Italian tunnel. So the Italians kept mining and just like, blew up

53:22

the whole top of the mountain. Oh my gosh.

Brandon  53:25

And this song is about, like, the people that died on the mountain and are, like, frozen in time. They're still at their posts, like, guarding the mountain and fighting. It's crazy, but it's like, super giant epic courses and like, so that's the that's the jam for this week. Oh

Collin  53:45

my gosh, yeah. I was looking at some images of this band and some of their stage staging for their performances.

Brandon  53:53

Yeah, it's big and yes, little dings and yeah, it's a very epic sound. Lots of tanks on here. Yeah, yeah. A lot of their stuff is World War One themed, right? Yeah. Like, a lot of it is so they have a lot of stuff about that. There's like, a song about the Bismarck and they have a song about a lot of these are, like, very obscure things, but the website is very handy that it tells you, like, Hey, this is about this Wink, wink, like, just so you know. Like, ah, I didn't know, but thank you.

Collin  54:29

Do you know now?

Brandon  54:30

I know now. So that is the just want to talk about the war to end all wars, and the standout track for me, which, of course, soldiers of heaven, because it's about the Italian front. So, hey, we just just finished reading about that. Yeah, right. But not just reading right. Oh, I watched some movies I don't know. Okay, man. Alive, first of all, also, apparently there is a stage play adapted by Lawrence Stallings. Also, what a world war one vet, because the movies say from the novel and the play. And I was like, I wrote, I wrote on my notes, like, there's a play.

Speaker 2  55:19

Question mark.

Brandon  55:23

But I have not been able to find a lot of information about this other than it exists. That's all. That's all I got. Oh my gosh. I can't really imagine a stage version of this based on what I have just watched with these other two movies. Oh, my days. But I yeah, I that, wow, okay, yeah, I didn't Who knew I'd not me again. I learned a thing. I learned that there was a movie or a play, right? So I started in chronological order, as one does with the 1932 version of A Farewell to Arms, right? So, the 1932 version starring Gary Cooper, what again Helen Hayes, right? Yeah. I also just kept seeing that thing from Young Frankenstein, when I think about that, because Susan was like, who's in its like, he the, you know, the guy. He's also a bunch of COVID movies. He's like, you know, the cowboy guy, right? This movie is wacky, right? It's weird. I apparently watched the shorter version of this. There is a longer version, I guess, right, because the one that I watched was an hour and like, 16 minutes, right? But I was reading earlier that there's another version that's like 88 minutes. I don't really think that would have made a lot of difference in my life, but I'm assuming I just picked a random version on YouTube, because both of these movies were on YouTube, so I just watched them. So that's how this comes about, right? This first one, the very first thing I wrote down is what is happening?

Collin  57:31

Oh, no,

Brandon  57:33

it's very this is very like, loosely based on the book, right? Some of the things that happen in this, like, the very first opening thing is, like an ambulance ride, and there's a guy in the ambulance, and then there's like a dude on the top who's bleeding on the guy underneath. But none of those people are Henry, so like, oh, none of those people. He's like, driving the enemy, like, what? And because it's again, from the 30s, it took me a long time to figure out who was supposed to be, who, right? Um, they The movie starts with Rinaldi taking him to go meet the nurses. That's like, the first thing, right? And they actually meet because there's a bombing raid on the hospital. They like end up in the same little area, and that's how Frederick and Kat meet at first. Oh, what? It only 222, minutes in, he gets injured, right? Which that part? You know, it's that part's fairly similar, right? So that that little stretch there is pretty close to the book, right? Except for the bombing raid in the hospital. That's weird. Then when we go to Milan, we get weird, first person camera view of like, wheeling down the hallway, right? So it's like the ceiling going by and like, random people, like leaning over the bed, talking to weird, right? So weird. They they get married, oh, Milan by the priest who was there for some reason, right? Like, the priest guy is also just in Milan visiting, right? Um, so it's all out of order. They actually get married, just, you know, for funsies, like, like, not officially, officially, but like he says the wedding service when they're in the room together, you know. So they like, that counts, I guess, right. So again, we're all out of order. I also wrote down here every. Stereotypical Italian song is just in this movie. Oh

Collin  1:00:03

no,

Brandon  1:00:06

it's really, oh, like, it's just like every background because it's a 30s movie, so there's not a ton of background music, right? Like, a lot of the music movie is just quiet. It's just like a person walking with, like, no sound, you know, again, 1932 put them a little slack with that. But also, like, what the heck? And then, just like any just stereotypical Italian song is just in this movie,

Collin  1:00:35

I'm also reminded that the book came out in 1929

1:00:40

Yes, and so this

Collin  1:00:41

was adapted just three years later. Yes,

Brandon  1:00:48

here. Okay, okay, yeah, gotcha anyway. Sorry,

Collin  1:00:51

I'm sorry. Yeah, no, that's all right, yeah, you said, you said 1930s and I was like, no, wait a minute, yeah, yeah, it's

Brandon  1:00:57

only a couple years later, right? So they again ever, because it's pretty so short we, like, some things are, like, fast forward, and they miss out on a bunch of stuff. And I think those extra 10 minutes that I don't have are not really gonna make a difference here. Um, they fight with Fergie about how useless he is. Like, just in Milan, right? And then, and then in a is a weird now we really go off the rails, right? We just go crazy here, because now Catherine decides that she's gonna just go to Switzerland by herself. Oh, right. She's like, I can't stay here. I'm not having this baby here. I'm leaving Fergie because, like, Frederick's gone. He goes back. And then she's just like, I'm leaving. So I wrote Catherine desserts, question mark, oh. And then so, oh, she deserts. She goes away. Okay, then, then there's like, in this whole kind of movie, like Rinaldi is like the bad guy. Like Rinaldi does not want them to be together, and he like, sabotages them really, right? Yeah, he's like, not the good homie in this movie, right? He's not the good dude. And then there's like a whole like Rinaldi, like, doesn't forward the mail to them. Like, he like the when the letters come from Catherine from Switzerland, he like stamps Return to Sender on them and has them sent back so Frederick doesn't know where she is, right? So, like, Rinaldi is a weird bad guy in this so, all right, there's like an escape montage, like the escape part where he decides to desert. Is in this movie. It is six minutes of the weirdest montage I've ever seen, right? It's just like this weird, crazy, like symbolism montage. Oh, madness, right? It's weird, like, parts of it are like, really dark, like creepy, and then there's like, all kinds of, like, horrible things happening, and you're just like, but it's a montage. You're like, oh no.

Collin  1:03:37

Why is this a montage? Oh no, like, oh no. It's really, really weird,

Brandon  1:03:47

right? So, like, he gets back there, he gets he goes back to Milan Fergie tells him that she went to Stresa. He gets to stress. And then bernaldi is there. And then, like, bernaldi repents and helps him escape across the lake, right? Like that, that's where. So he does the whole lake crossing alone. And like, he doesn't even she, like, she goes through this whole thing, and she, like, starts having the baby alone. It's what. And he just like, shows up when she's in the operating room. Oh, that's weird, right? And I also wrote, how did he know she was there? Question mark, like, Oh, right. Because he just like, walks in. Like, how did you know to go straight to the hospital when you just came to this random town like that we have seen before ever it's like, what convenience?

Collin  1:04:48

Yeah, right.

Brandon  1:04:52

Why all this is happening? Right? The war is now over, apparently, question

Collin  1:04:57

mark, what? Oh, no. Oh yeah, convenient,

Brandon  1:05:01

right? But then, because this is this weird movie, like, the movie just, they'd like, the whole death scene, they're like, she's conscious all time, and then she like, dies in his arms, and there's this big, like, triumphant, like, weird thing, right? My final note is, need to have read the book. This is only three years after it was written. Oh,

1:05:28

and, like, this movie

Brandon  1:05:32

is just the love story part, I guess, right? Like, I don't really know what this movie is. This movie's a mess. Hey, it is not good. It's real bad. And I thought maybe I was the only one that thought that. And then I found a review online from the New York Times when this movie came out.

Collin  1:05:56

Right? You got one from Oh, yeah,

Brandon  1:05:59

yeah. So this, this. This says, I'm gonna read most of this here, not all of it, but bravely as it is produced, for the most part, there is too much sentiment and not enough strength in the pictorial conception of Ernest Hemingway's novel, not withstanding the undeniable artistry of the photography, the fine recording and voices, etc. One misses the author's visit, vivid descriptions and the telling dialog, right? This is Mr. Bores Boras, rather than Mr. Hemingway, who prevails in this film.

Brandon  1:06:38

And the skipping down here a bit like, it's basically, like, this is not the book. This is something else completely right, like, it's just a completely different this is the directors baby. This is only tangentially related to what was written here, right? Possibly, if anyone has not read Mr. Hemingway's book, the picture will appeal as a rather interesting, if tragic romance in some scenes, however, the producers appear to take it for granted the spectators have read the book, and that that really sums up my whole experience with this movie. Yeah, like, it's like,

Collin  1:07:22

Who is this poor

Brandon  1:07:24

what is going on? Some of this doesn't make any sense. Other times they just infer that you know what's going on, because they assume you've read the book, I guess, probably because it came out only three years before this. So like, Yeah, everybody read it. They don't know what's happening. No, but no, I know what in the world,

Collin  1:07:41

but all the more weird than to make the choice or odd to have it be so incongruous with the book itself. And think that okay, if we're going to assume that people have read this, but we're going to produce something that is nothing like it at all, and they'll just fill in the gaps, but it's like, what gaps are they filling because it doesn't match, like, I don't just it's weird. That's odd. Yeah, yeah, it's real weird.

Brandon  1:08:12

So, so that was the idea that movie is not that movie is not it, right? I cannot deal with that. It was weird. The whole montage escape thing was just creepy and weird and all kinds of weird stuff going on. I I'm not like that movie. It was not good, right? So then I watched the second version of this movie, produced in 1957 1957 the this movie is to scan two hours and 26 minutes long, or they beefed it up a bit. Oh, boy, did they ever but not for the better. I can tell you that right now, not for the better. This movie, right again, both of these movies also have the tagline, um, tragic love story. I wrote, see they focus? Tragic love story? No, yeah, they but this movie is like a lot more like the first one was very egregiously, just a love story, right? This one also, they just focus on the love story part, and they miss the whole theme of the book, right? The whole theme of the book, that war is bad is not here, right? Because in this movie, it appears that Frederick genuinely loves cat. That's all there is, right? There's no like they play some lip service, because they say some of the dialog from the book, right? But it's not acted in a way that conveys the real message, right? Right? It's, it's not acted in a way that says we're conflicted. We're escaping from the horrors of war, right? My escapism is this relationship, right? I even looked it up online. I was like, Maybe we read too much into this, right? Maybe we're on the wrong track. Nope, all the things that we said about this book, when I look for themes of Farewell to Arms, bam, right there nice on the list. So we nailed it, by the way, we got it so right. Talking about like, yeah, good job. You right. They talk about like, how horrible war is right? They talk about the reality of war, and all of this is the problem, and then this relationship between love and love is painful, and they're they're distracting and and all this stuff, and it's all tragedy and in like how tradition is breaking down and failing everyone around them, and the world is bleak and blah, blah, all these things we talked about, the the things that I read about, like the themes of Farewell to Arms, that's what they say, right? This movie does not have any of those in it, right?

Collin  1:11:19

Oh no. It pays like, lip service

Brandon  1:11:21

to them again, because it says the dialog and stuff, but like, it doesn't, like, you don't get the feeling of that, you know, and it's so long that it's just boring, because this is not a movie where a lot of stuff happened, right? The book, not a lot of things are happening. You know, a lot of the book is sitting around, talking, expressing feelings through dialog. That's the Hemingway style. So trying to put that into a two and a half hour movie is not that's not going to translate very well, no, right? So we could talk a bit more about that anyway. But the this version stars Rock Hudson, oh man, there you go. Got it? Rock Hudson as your boy. And then I believe this is Jennifer Jones, his cat, right? So this movie, I have less written down, because somewhere in the middle it just says, also, kind of boring. Dot, dot, dot. That's in my notes I wrote this. So we start off, right? We start off. We get the Italian This is a very 50s movie, right? Like, sweeping vistas of the Italian Alps. We have a lot of scenery shots. Love it in this whole movie, right? And I said at the beginning, it's like, Ooh, a narrator, just kidding. Like, Oh, the first like, a little bit the first, like, minute is narrated, and then we never have a narrator again for the whole movie.

Collin  1:13:04

Oh, that's too bad. Yeah, I feel like that's really needed to have Frederick's voice narrating a lot of this like an interesting

Brandon  1:13:13

choice, yeah. I feel like that would have the kind of I was like, Ooh, narration. Oh, no, it was just an exposition thing, crazy, that's it. So we don't meet cat for about 12 minutes into the movie, right? That they go, Ronald is much nicer in this movie, right? I also began more big establishing scenery shots. I was like, Ooh, lots of Alps the Giro would love this movie. It was just like a advertisement for the Giro d'Italia, right? Just like, oh, look here Italian Alps and cycling bank. Here we go. The big, important part of this movie, the shelling attack in the Alps is like an action sequence, right? Also, there's no cheese anywhere, so he gets injured, like he goes up to the top of the mountain to the like, lookout post, and then the Austrians start shelling. And he's like, better get to the ambulances. They're gonna need us. And he like, zip lines down this gondola thing, right? And they're like, running to the ambulances to, like, open them up and get ready to take all the people down the mountain. And the ambulance gets shelled and he gets blown up. So, like, it's a very different vibe of, I'm just hanging out eating cheese, and just accidentally got blown up, right, right? So it's a whole it's a whole different thing. He

Collin  1:14:54

was trying to be the hero in that, versus he was, yeah, yeah.

Brandon  1:14:58

So, like, he. Doesn't have this connection of, like, the what's the point? This is hopeless. You know, I was injured for no reason, but he doesn't like they say the lines from the book, but I don't believe them. You know, like, there's no reason for me to believe what you say, because I haven't seen anything that indicates that that's true. I don't have that free, yeah, yeah. Then, then we go to Milan, right? There's like, a bunch of awkward comedy, like the part where they're trying to get him into the elevator, you know, and he's, like, not fitting and stuff. They sort of draw that whole thing out to where, like, they keep dropping him, and he gets his foot stuck in an elevator, and he falls out of bed, right? It's like, weirdly misplaced slapstick, like, what? Yeah, tone Are you going for? Right? Now, I don't understand, because it's all, like, wacky and silly, but he's mad because he's hurt, right? And he's like, laying on the floor. That's weird. Um, so that happens, and then she just, like, straight up, tells him that she's pregnant. Like, bang, like, at the racetrack. Like, it they're at the racetrack, the racetrack thing is in there. But she's like, I'm pregnant, darling. He's like, Oh, that's wonderful. What? Like, okay, um, okay. And then they at the racetrack, they just, there's like an announcement that the Italians were successful in an offensive and it's all like celebratory and whatever, and they just decide that they're gonna marry themselves, right there. Boom, we're married now. Darling, isn't that wonderful? Darling, oh, like right there at the racetrack

Collin  1:16:59

convinces that a lot? Yeah,

Brandon  1:17:01

you know, it's weird. Then the other then, like, a whole bunch of stuff is the same, and it's boring and drawn out. Another big difference, though, that we have was, like, in, you know, the part where van campen comes and catches the bottles and, like, shoes him out. She actually catches them together. Oh, she comes. She's coming to confront him about the bottles, and cat is in the room. Oh, God. So that's a, that's a way different thing, right? So it's this whole big thing. She's like, you have to go right now. Blah, blah. And so, like, that's whole thing. We go back, there's the stuff. He gets back to the front, he's all, like, morose and stuff. And then all of a sudden, like, we're at the retreat part. And I was like, this is one hour in. What is this pacing? Yeah, that's all the first hour of roofie. It's like, what was happening. There's an hour and a half left. How?

Collin  1:18:08

What is good after that? I mean, I'm sitting here thinking, what do you cover in an hour after the retreat? Like that? Yeah,

Brandon  1:18:15

that's like, a big thing, right? But the retreat. It is crazy. I put i This is where I had, like, this is boring, but like, then we have, like, more crazy drama. Because, like, the retreats happening, they go, we can't, you know, you have to carry the medical supplies. Like, what are going to happen to these people? They have to stay here. So the priest stays with the hospital patients in the thing, in the villa or whatever, right? And they like this big, prolonged mass praying thing, and then the hospital gets shelled. So we are to assume that the priest has now died. This is what's happened here, right? This is this movie's attempt to bring in the war element, but it doesn't do it very successfully, right? We also have this um thing where Rinaldi is with them on the retreat, right? So like during the retreat. It's Frederick and Rinaldi instead of the Amos drivers, right? But, and Rinaldi is the person that gets arrested because he's yelling about how fruit pointless it is in the retreat, and Rinaldi is the person that gets shot and executed by the battles, yes, and that is the trigger for Frederick to escape, to like, dash out. He like smacks the lamps out of their hand, and like, runs out and you. Dashes out the window. So Rinaldi is the one that gets shot. He's the catalyst for this, right? Even though we met some of the people earlier, but in as in a positive turn of events, IMO goes off with some women in an ambulance and presumably lives in his happily reactor. So good for IMO. There's that, right? It was good for him. Well, I like this version already. Yeah, that's I wrote at least ammo gets the girls. You know, it's fine. Um, cat is by herself. Again. This is a function of, like, we don't have any other characters in the movie, so we have to streamline some things. So cat is alone in Stresa. He goes back to Milan. Fergie tells him where she is. He goes up there. And then, then we have a very different, like, weird thing, like, this whole movie is weird because, like, cat is the one that decides they're going to escape to Switzerland. She's the one who's like, we're gonna she's a lot like a boulder in this movie, and much more, like independent and like, not useless. Same for like, you know, she's much more like bold and like outgoing. But then it's weird, because, like, the parts they added are like that. But then you also have just, like, normal Hemingway dialog. So there's like, who, like, what is this character like? There's this weird, like, flippy, floppy, wishy washy Ness that's happening because, like, sometimes she's like, really, like, bold and brave and blah blah, like, actually, and other times it's like, Hemingway's cat who's just, like, kind of there and like, not really knowing what's going on. It's really, it's jarring, right? Like, it's, it's not put together well, right? I wrote cat is much more capable, but weird because she is also booked cat at the same time, right? Like it doesn't really

Collin  1:22:11

cohesion might feel, yeah, the cohesion is

1:22:13

not there. It's weird and like, again, this, this happens. And then there's just a lot of boring them living in the thing,

Brandon  1:22:24

the winter sport thing, is there technically, but it's less funny, like they get the part when they get to Switzerland, really drags. It's just them. It's just them all the time doing stuff. And it's not interesting. I actually had to, like, watch this. I watched this movie in several chunks, like the second hour to have this movie. I had to watch in like, 20 minute intervals, because it was not, like, drawing me, you know, it was just like, Oh, my God, I get to this part be like, Okay, I have to go do something. I have to go cook dinner. I have to go whatever. Like, I don't know, like, I didn't just watch it in chunks, like, the first hour I watched pretty much all the way through, and then after that, I was like, I can't with this. It's too much, right? The and then the end is basically what you expect, right? Except for there's some weird differences, like he has when he goes out and has dinner, like, with the doctor, and then, like, that whole big thing at the end about, like, she can't die, I can't blah, blah, he's, that's a monolog like to the doctor, yeah, which is odd, right? The doctor gets called away, and he's like, there. And he's like, I must go. Because, again, this version is a love story, and Henry is not Frederick is not cynical in this movie, like the cynicism is not there, the

Collin  1:23:56

fear the threat of

Brandon  1:23:58

war really isn't there. So it's really just him in love with this girl, right? Kind of, sort of, and so, like, he's just like, I'm gonna go blah, blah. And like, then he goes back to the hospital, and it's kind of the same as the other one, where they, like, are talking and they're having the moment, and then she just, like, dies, right? But like that, he leaves the hospital and is thinking about her, and there's, like, a flashback thing, but there's also no

Collin  1:24:30

rain. What that's the whole thing, the whole point, walk out. We need. Did you learn nothing meaning? Yeah,

Brandon  1:24:41

they even make a point in the movie, like, they bring up the rain several times, right? And about how, like, the whole thing is in there, and then at the end, it's not raining. Why? Me, right? Like It, it, it's just not, it's just not there, right? There's just, it's just missing, right? In a another contemporary review from the New York Times, uh, this excerpt says that also I agree with right throughout the ominous note of doom is missing, so that the sudden, terminal tragedy when it occurs seems more sheer mistake than an inevitable irony in these people's lives. Yeah, the show of devotion between two people is intensely acted but not realized it is questionable indeed, whether Mr. Hudson and Miss Jones have the right personalities for these roles.

Collin  1:25:49

All right, Johnson and Jones, like,

Brandon  1:25:51

got him, like, it's just not. And people really like this movie, I guess, like, uh, there's this one had comments under the video, and that there a lot of the people. This was a time when, like, these people hadn't read the book. Yeah, right, you know. And one of them, I wrote their comment quote, Hemingway wanted to make a happy story out of something terrible. Oh, um, I wrote, um, no, did he is that? What Hemingway is that, is

Collin  1:26:36

that? Is that what we believe? Yeah, this movie is so bad

Brandon  1:26:40

at capturing the theme of the book, yeah, that these viewers like just take the love story away, right? Well, and, and honestly, that's

Collin  1:26:55

the only thing that's being presented in either of these movies. But I'm listening to you is, and it's an easy hook of the love story, because, if we're being very honest, the like, no, like, there is no lesson, there's no closure, it's just loss and it's meaningless. That's not something people like watching, yeah, that's the point. That's the point, and that's why this movie, this book is sorry, this is this book is so hard to make into a movie because, yeah, it the whole point is to make you uncomfortable with the meaninglessness of it all and the cynicism at its core through everything, and to loop this in and go, Oh, but It's supposed to be this, this tragedy and this, and this, this, you know, lost romance and all this stuff it's like that is, is actually meant to make this all the more bitter and and painful when it actually does happen. Because, yeah, it's, it's every thing, and there's nothing you can do about it. They just, oh, I don't know, maybe, maybe somebody had a monolog about this. It just marches on and they chew you up. And they Right, yeah, like, like, that's the whole point of this, yeah.

Brandon  1:28:14

The whole point is the fact that the Italians spent five years on top of a mountain, fighting and dying for a mountain and nothing changed. Yeah, right, that's the point. So much sacrifice made over a bit of land, a scrap of dirt, a speck of ground, right? And overall, nothing changed,

Collin  1:28:46

right? That is the thing. The the theme of this book is, we're doing it wrong. Something is wrong, yeah, because there's no hope, there's no future, there is no togetherness, there's no coming to, you know, to finally conquer one thing this big bad. It's just you're alone, and you're carrying the weight of everything, yeah, by yourself. Because, like you said, you're doing it's, it's pointless, but we're all here doing it anyway for no point, and wasting lives and time and everybody's future,

Brandon  1:29:18

yes, and so it's just not there, you know, yeah. So that's what I just, I just, yeah. It was, it was like, Man, this really, this is such a bad adaptation that you left the theme out, right? I know, you know, you're not a fan of The Hobbit movies, right? But they have the

Collin  1:29:43

theme is there. The correct theme and messaging is still there. They do get that part right, right?

Brandon  1:29:52

Whatever else they abstract the theme and message of the book is there, right? You can argue that. The one you argue like Harry Potter, like, oh, the book is better. This movie's better. Brother, the theme, yeah, is there? Yeah, it's the most important thing, and you left it out, yeah, yeah. You should have a sense of of bleakness, of of utter

Collin  1:30:18

unravel and destruction, like, and not in, like, a, a, how do I put this? Not like

Brandon  1:30:26

I did the French art nouveau version of this, right? Like, yes, like this 60s, black and white, French version of this movie, it was gonna nail this vibe, right? That's what, yeah,

Collin  1:30:37

you know, because, yeah, black and white, literally, like, steer, washed out, COVID, minimalistic in here, but like, yeah, that's what's dark shadow. But that's what you want throughout this entire because it's not just that there's like a big, Batty, impending doom, right? It's not like the asteroid's going to hit us in seven days. We've got to save ourselves. That's not what this book has in it. This book just has in the overarching again, this the theme here of that it's not just that something terrible is about to happen. It's It is everything is actively happening. Is actively happening, and it's all wrong, and everything is just off a little bit like everything's just a little bit discordant, and everything just because it's all wrong. And, yeah, that's man, huh? Sorry, are you? Are you gonna lead the 2025, production of the Yeah, I don't

Brandon  1:31:41

know. I like I said, I don't know if this should be a movie, yeah, right. If it is a movie, this movie needs to be like, a tight 90 minutes, right? We can Time Skip. That's fine. We can put in some cards that say three months later that's, that's allowed, right? Or, or, I

Collin  1:32:05

don't know, you do what Hemingway does a lot of, and you paint a picture of the weather happening outside, yeah, you know, and then

Brandon  1:32:11

it like, fades into a new day, right? Just like, it's raining, more like, oh, it's sunny, it must be a different day, right? Like, yeah, so, yeah, if this was remade, this needs to be a lot shorter than two and a half hours. Man, it drags so bad again. Part of it is that 50s movie thing where, like, there's just a lot of big establishing shots and like, scenes that go on just too long, like, linger on the landscape a lot. You're like, I get it,

1:32:49

but like, stop it. You need to do that less, because it's not I

Brandon  1:33:04

so there you go. This is my review of the two Farewell to Arms movies. Not favorable,

Collin  1:33:15

yeah, not even a little bit sound like, well, you know, at least you did that so and you know now true, and I think it's another reminder of, just like, like you said, some things don't need to be movies. I think they're best left in their original content, how they were created. And, I mean, I think the message is, is more impactful than ever, if you think of the post 911, generation, and the kind of endless wars that we've been in as a society ever since then, like even more so and this all the more disillusionment and estrangement with, you know, service and meaning in those things, and the kind of waste that a lot of people will see in that, like, it would have a massive impact, because a lot of people, I believe, feel that way, but to do it in a way that actually hits the notes,

1:34:16

as opposed To the right medium, right? Yeah,

Collin  1:34:18

yeah. So, or, like a

Brandon  1:34:23

like you have, if this was to be made to movie, you need like Stanley Kubrick to direct this

1:34:30

sucker, right? It might be too long with Caribbean three and a half hour movie, but, like, I was thinking,

Collin  1:34:36

you'd want like Christopher Nolan in here to do the big, maybe,

Brandon  1:34:41

maybe right? Like, moody, Rudy, dark again. Nolan movies get a little long, though, so we did tighten it up a little bit. Like, good point, good point. He does a good job with, like, theming and stuff, but like, where I can't have a three hour Farewell to Arms. Movie, right? Like, that's not nobody wants that, that nobody wants that.

1:35:07

That's too rough. So, oh, there we go. It's all in closing. Read the book, people,

Brandon  1:35:15

yeah, read the book. That's pretty good. Stay tuned for hopefully more upbeat summer reading in future, but I leave you with a Haiku

1:35:35

page and scream diverge unexpected twists and turns, themes left on the floor.

Collin  1:35:51

That's good. Okay, okay, well,

1:35:59

do that make it all

Collin  1:36:03

down? Really good, professional. I like it. That's okay, good,

1:36:12

very strongly about this, as you can tell, I

Collin  1:36:21

yeah, I think that definitely. I I feel it.

Brandon  1:36:27

There we go. I'm bit lost. Now. I have no homework for myself for next week, so I don't know what I'm gonna do, maybe a short episode, I don't know.

Collin  1:36:35

Well, we'll, I'm sure you'll find something. We'll see. We'll see, or maybe we'll, uh, we'll have a an offline discussion here about about something to do moving forward too. I love it. Okay, well, we'll see what happens next week. All right, no one knows what will happen. It's on the tagline, boom. Nobody, exactly, exactly. No one knows. Love you. Bye. Bye, you.