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weather, cold temperatures, Louisiana snow, Port of Houston, blizzard, World War One, death metal, 1914 band, A Farewell to Arms, Henry, Catherine, nightmares, military bureaucracy, surgery, trauma, World War I, surgery, anesthetics, malaria, jaundice, hospital, codependency, trauma, coping mechanisms, marriage, unhealthy relationships, night shift, friendship, war, normalcy.

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Collin, Brandon

00:04

Music. Welcome to Oh brother, a podcast where we try to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon and Collin on this week's show, because he was a major

00:15

Ahoy, ahoy. How's it going?

00:20

Oh, you know, it's little frosty. I

00:27

keep waiting for to warm up. I think we're on the upswing. Now tomorrow,

00:32

question mark, right? Maybe, yeah, maybe we're gonna hold my breath, maybe I should, cause it's so cold

00:42

inside. But none of me

00:47

think tomorrow. It might make it to 40. It's gonna be the highest it's been in. Like, oh, eight weeks. It'll

00:53

be great, isn't it? It's just gonna be, like,

00:59

at least one week. It's it's pretty gnarly. So I don't really love, uh, negative two, right? Negative four. Not my favorite temperatures. Um, I do like cold weather. That's a little, uh, it's like, spicy cold, right? It's like, awful and like,

01:18

yeah, when it's, like, actively biting and like hurting, but yeah, that's the good, yep, that hurts me. So

01:28

could be worse, though he could be in New

01:32

Orleans. Oh my gosh, it's amazing. Well, I don't know. I mean, New Orleans got it. Houston was getting and this wasn't just like, I think it's important to note, this was not just like a little bit of snow. This was, like, a sizable amount.

01:52

That's eight to 10 inches. Eight to 10 inches, yeah, like Louisiana, yeah, that's they don't do that.

01:59

That's not how this works, right? Like, every road is closed forever now, like, they

02:05

what? Louisiana doesn't have snow plows. No, right? Like, whatever they know, what they like. They couldn't draw them in a picture. What are you talking about? They don't know about ice scrapers. No, you know, like, what is, what's going on here? No. Like, again, this is not too disparaged the good people Louisiana. This is merely to say on a daily basis, this is not a thing that you need. If you live in Louisiana, you should not have to own an ice scraper, right? That's not a thing. Yeah, they don't. What store do you even go to to get one of those? Yeah? Right? Like, how would you even find one? Like, this is, oh my goodness, the Port of Houston was closed on Wednesday. That's insane. Yeah, that's, that is no bueno.

02:55

Oh my gosh,

Collin  02:56

so crazy. That's I, I don't like you, like the Port of Houston because of because of snow, not a hurricane. Like, you hear there's a hurricane coming the Port of Houston enclosed you, like, okay, that makes sense. But it's like, no, should, no, yeah, surprise. Oh my gosh. I also read that after because it snowed in Florida, also, right? You see the pictures of Pensacola Beach covered in snow. Yes, I did, wacky bro. But because

03:32

it has snowed in Florida, it has officially snowed in all 50 US states this winter. Oh,

03:42

yeah. I did not know that. Yeah, yeah. All 50

03:45

states officially now have snow after this last blizzard warning through the South. That's That's it. All 50 states have snow.

03:55

That's what we wanted this year we wanted, yeah, that's what we needed.

03:59

On top of everything else, you know? First ever blizzard warning in Louisiana that

04:05

just makes me little you know. But you know what we were looking for, a way to have a moment of unity as a country, right? I think that's what we're looking for.

04:15

Blizzards in Louisiana is the way to do that. Oh, right. I think I feel like

04:20

there are still people that are gonna say, no, no, the climate isn't changing. Everything's fine. Like, guys, guys, it snowed in New Orleans, right? Like a lot, not even like a little bit, like, not like a little teeny, we need dusting of snow, because it's done that in parts of Texas before, right? Like you said before. Not like often, but every once while it'd be like snow, but like a quarter of an inch or less, like a just little like, but not like inches of snow. Well, when you say it like that makes it sound bad, because it is bad hell, I mean, but I thought it was supposed. To get warm. So this is, obviously, this isn't real, not how that's not how this works. That's not, that's not how jet users function.

05:11

Yes, the science teacher currently teaching weather science

05:17

in the pocket of big weather, that's what I hear. Hey, yeah,

05:20

not in the pocket of anybody. I can guarantee that much right now, my bank account would agree that I am in no one's pocket. Oh,

05:33

well anyway, oh yes, the piercing

05:40

a bit or cold is great. It's really terrible because this is that wonderful time of the year where it's just like indoor recess

05:48

every day. Oh, forever. No, it's so bad I don't like indoor recess at all.

Collin  06:00

Well, and there's, yeah, it's just, it's just not the same, isn't it? Like it's really just trapped inside, yeah, I know. And we, you know, we homeschool, but like, I see it in our kids, of like, we usually are always going on walks, like two or three times of day, all that stuff. And now it's just, like, at bedtime, it's just like, okay, just spend, like, the next 30 minutes running around the house in the circle, like, just get it all, get it all out, because it needs to, it needs to get out. But yeah, I I'm sorry, yeah, because you, you deal with a few more children than just two. So yeah.

06:38

But I was thinking, right? And so I was reminiscing today about ye olde elementary school. And I can't remember if we talked about this before or not, and I don't know if it was a thing when you were in elementary school, right? Because I don't know if it was a different principal or what. But so I distinctly,

06:58

I was telling the kids about this too, and they were mad. Uh, right? I hit him with the back of my day, and they were jealous.

07:07

But so I remember, at least in fifth grade. Now, I don't remember if this happened in fourth grade or not. It could have, but I remember, I have specific memories of fifth grade. This occurring of there was, like, a couple days where it was, like, really cold, but if, if we had, like, sufficient winter clothing, right, like coat, like boots, like mid like gloves, hat, whatever, like, the principal took a small group of people outside for recess, and like, had a snowball fight, and, like, did all kinds of stuff. Like, this. Was this a

07:49

thing? Did this happen to you? I remember this, okay, okay, they would say, basically, like, polar bear club or something, right? Yeah. Like, polar we had, like, polar bear recess where, like, we had to, like, specifically prove that we had actual winter clothing, right?

Collin  08:03

And then Mr. Horrible would take you out. Yeah, okay, you would specifically, yeah, go. But it was a, like, you said some because, like, like, some kids just didn't come prepared to be outside because did not want some kids to know outside, to go outside, yes, right? Like, basically a case by case basis of, are you do? Would you like to go outside? Yes, okay, prove to us that you have the necessary equipment, and we will take care of it, right? And then it's like,

08:35

okay, got it, and then you can go out and and and play. But, um, yeah, I remember that. Whereas it was, like, basically it was like, challenge by choice, like, how cold Do you want to be?

08:49

Yes, so I didn't remember, I didn't know if he was still principal when you were, like, in fourth or fifth grade or not, but that, because I remember it was him. He was the one that did it. He went outside. He was the recess monitor person, right? He wasn't, which was nice. He wasn't, like, all right, other teachers you're coming to,

09:06

like, no,

09:09

he knew his team. He knew his Yeah,

09:12

he's like, I'm gonna do it. You don't worry about it. It's fine.

09:18

Yes, I do have a memory of this occurring, right? And so I just didn't know if,

09:24

if you remember this too, or if I was imagining things again, right? That tends to happen sometimes.

09:29

Don't always quite remember elementary school,

09:33

right? And we have like, vague notions about what happened at this

09:37

point, so I don't know. It is interesting. How you like, how you like, how everything does blur together, and then you're like, wait a minute, when exactly was that and, yeah, is that even real?

09:58

Yes, like, when I. When could that have happened? Think about this, because Susan asked me things like that sometimes. Like, yeah, I did that in school. What year? How old was I when I did that? Like, I can't remember when it happened. Like, I kind of remember doing it, but like, how old was I actually when that occurred? I don't always have an answer for that,

10:25

especially like middle school and elementary

10:28

school, it's like,

10:31

yeah, I don't know. I don't know, right? And I've talked to other people that have, like, very firm memories of, like, first grade. And I'm going, how, what?

10:46

Yeah, basically, no recollection that I ever even happened. I don't, yeah,

10:50

like, I think people have, like, very like, these detailed memories of the comings and goings of first grade. And I'll, I think I have, I have I have a memory, I think, but like, that's really, that's not a whole lot more. Like, I don't know how people do this, I don't, I don't either. I mean, I remember that my biggest first grade memory

Brandon  11:13

is, well, okay, two memories. One, I got in trouble because I had toys in my desk. Shocking, I know, right? This is really surprising to everyone. And

11:26

number two, one of my friends fell off one of those big, giant, gnarly jungle gyms and broke his ankle, like the meme,

11:35

jungle gyms and

11:38

like, this is what we had to reach us back in my day. It was one of those. It was one of those. It was like, really tall, yeah, and a metal just like metal metal cage, like a really tall metal cage, and he, like, either jumped or fell

11:51

off of that and

11:53

broke his ankle. There was also a random tree stump on the playground that everybody was obsessed with for reasons that you can only imagine, because first graders don't make any sense at all. So that also, that also was a thing, I think three things so far, hmm,

Collin  12:13

I see, see, I, man, I it takes me. It's one of those things where I just, I don't have any of this. Like, in the forefront of my brain, people who can just rattle this stuff off really fast. I don't know what else they are able to do that with or why. But like, this is not a skill that I have. Like, I have to sit there and like, okay, kindergarten, I had this teacher, and then who did I go to after my teachers

12:36

fairly well. But like, it's always this, like really random little things, right? A kid made fun of my last name, so I punched him. That happened too.

12:52

Okay, well, and then I remember, I don't remember what year this happened, right? But I do remember the only other member, like one other very strong memory have elementary school is our last name did not fit in the bubbles to fill out our standardized tests. No, right? They weren't long enough. No. Depressing. My first name barely fit. My first name didn't fit sometimes, either, right? Well, the last name is just right out, right, like and they just tell you, fill in as much as you can. And I remember being like, I'm sorry. What? Yeah, like, What do you mean? I can't fit my whole name on this paper. What are you doing? Mmat, went wrong with

Collin  13:31

you. Hell a lot wrong because, like, we didn't even have, like, like, I have seen some last names. I know you have seen some last names of kids now where it's like, the half of this that wouldn't even fit in these, in these couple sheets that I had. So it's like, I just, I never, yeah, Bill, it just do as much as you can.

13:52

But, you know, 10 letters, that's just too much to be asking. I think everybody and they're like, No, everyone has five letter names. That's it. Sorry, guys, losers, you can't do Yeah, rude.

Collin  14:12

Oh yeah. He's like, we'll just deal with it. You'll be fine. Like, I remember, okay, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna remember two things, first one and I'm not even going to remember the name of this. Would need your help, but I remember that we brought in and had dad installed on the school computer, the Oh, what was it called? Something, Mountain School. There was a school computer in the back of our classroom, and it was a DOS game of a guy hiking around a mountain, and there were elves. Yeah, okay, yeah. I don't remember what this is called, but Dad installed that on the school computer in the back because it was like educational. Or something, I don't know,

15:02

and I got in trouble for using the white gravel to write on the red brick on the outside of the building during recess. That'll do it

15:17

every time every naughty boy,

Collin  15:20

Chuck will come, and He will stand in No, not Chuck, no doorway, and will sternly, kind of beckon you to come, and you and the other two students who did it will have to come out, and I think we have to use, like a, like a dustpan brush or something like that, to, like, scrub the outside wall. I forget exactly what I had to use. Or, like, maybe, oh, it was that, and then a wet washcloth to wipe it off, yeah, because we we defaced side of the building. Faced the side of the building, villainous, villainous. I

15:56

don't, I do remember having to stay in recesses and write sentences on the board, in like second grade, like, I was definitely, I definitely had to write, I will not talk in class

16:08

on the board or on a piece paper, like 50 billion times like, yes,

16:16

yes. You have, sorry, you have sent over a screen grab of this is that the right one? That is the right one. What did you search for? This is Treasure Mountain. Treasure Mountain, yeah, yeah. But I think, yes, Treasure Mountain. But I thought there. I think the one, I don't I don't know if that, I can't remember if that is a

16:46

the right. I

16:48

mean, it looks kind of right. I didn't remember it looking quite that good. So I don't know if this is, like, an upscale picture, or like, what's happening here, but I feel like

16:55

that's the correct thing. Yeah, okay, I am going to Yeah. And here's the old the rom the ages five to nine from the learning company. I go, Oh my gosh, yeah, you had to find the clue words, the coins and the nets and the treasure. I remember. I don't the screen doesn't look as familiar. But the coins, net treasure thing at the bottom that looks real familiar. Oh, this picture. Okay, this. Never mind. This one seals it right? Yeah, I'm ready this one. This will be the this will be this. This episode's a show art, so perfect. People will need to look at this. I remember this. There it is. I remember the cave

17:44

with all the like, gym things in it,

17:47

yes, that's it. Yes, yeah, bang. That is it. Yeah. So Dad, I don't know whether I told the teacher about this game that sounds like something I would do whenever the teacher would be like, what'd you do this weekend? And I was like, let me tell you about this computer thing. Yeah, oh, man. F2 for file, f3 for options. And so, yeah, I remember dad coming in and remember using

18:16

F keys for things like, let me tell you. Like, let

18:21

me tell your kids

18:24

F keys, yeah, remember F keys? Does anyone remember laughter? Yeah, there were dos commands, man, that was fun.

18:35

I mean, I, I, man, barely, I do i Ah, yeah. I

18:46

just keep looking at screenshots of this campus. I'm very distracted here. But yes, it's sort of coming back to me, but again,

18:52

I remember, yeah, all the net breaks and you can replay, ah, yes, okay,

Collin  18:59

all right, because the they can escape sometimes, or you'll miss. And then that was a net that you use to get that or something, right? Yeah. I also specifically remember there's like vines or something that, like a vine ladder that you had to climb up and down on

19:15

to go. I just saw that picture because you have to get to the top of the mountain. And there's like different levels here, like a snowman, the snowman, the square snowman, right?

19:24

Yes, yes, yes, yep. And he would do this when he would, I just saw another picture of when he would do the net. I very vividly remember he would, like, stand up, automation, be toes. Yeah, he'd come down on it like that. But yeah, I love the berries and the bushes like this. This was definitely a, this was, this was foundational to my life and the climbing anyway,

Collin  19:52

this was what, this is what I that's, I remember that in i. Yeah, this weird, oh, man, I want to listen to, I'm on the Wikipedia page for Treasure Mountain dos. And I just learned something that I didn't know. They the audio snippets. And this is going to bring back a lot the music. Here was the Treasure Mountain theme. Apparently, the composer was Ludwig von Beethoven with a different arrangement.

20:31

And like caves and Castle, was by Johann Sebastian Bach. And

20:37

so I'm gonna play, I wish I could. I will send

20:39

this. I will send this. I will send this link to you. Yeah, I don't know if you can listen to that. I'll see if I can insert that into

20:48

this. I have better news for you. I just found a website where you can download this game right now,

20:59

complete with instructions on how to run on modern

21:02

Oh, so that's

21:04

pretty hilarious. Super solvers.

21:06

Thanks. Internet is that Internet Archive? I don't know. I don't know. Great, yeah, but yeah. Okay, there you go. Bing, you can this is what I've been needing. I right, in my life that will be Treasure Mountain, yep, that's, that'll be what I need to spend my, my life on. Yeah, that would make sense. Because, uh, first grade, man, that was a,

21:35

it came out in 90 and so yes, but it was Yeah,

21:40

because I think, I think they

21:42

re released it yes, in 1994

21:45

right? Yeah, because I saw that later date. I was like, that doesn't sound right. But then I was like, oh, oh, wait, hold on, there's, there's an earlier, there's an earlier one that

21:54

makes sense. Yeah, that's interesting, man, I that's a conversation. I need to ask dad. Like, how did that enter our life. Like, Where was he when that came up in conversation? Like, what? Anyway, I don't know. Yeah, that'd be a good yeah. Like, where did this come from,

22:12

right? It just like, appeared one day,

Collin  22:15

like, I don't know. I don't know, yeah. I mean, I know he had a friend that, like, built computers and stuff that was near his office. So maybe he was just talking with that guy, and he had some like, Oh, this is, though, this is something cool for the kids that five to nine year old range, which is really narrow. Like, that's interesting, anyway, but anyway, yeah, to just figure out, like, how did that come into being that would say reading. It's a reading and thinking game. Come on,

22:44

yeah, because I saw a screenshot about the you have to find the rhyming word thing,

22:49

yes. And so that's interesting. And remember where things were? Yeah, a lot of those games were like that. You have to remember where the things were, so you go back in later. Yeah, very much, based off of the like, old, like, Castle games, or like the like, go left for this, go right for this, yeah, like, like that really was a mode of operating in how the game mechanics for very long, there

23:15

was we had, like, a castle game like that. I think we've heard this before, but it's like, oh, because we played the action Castle thing. But like, we had that on like, a floppy disk

23:26

at some point. Like,

23:29

yeah, or whatever size that is the big one, we had that on a big floppy disk, or somebody had it, or we, I don't remember, it was on a floppy disk, and we played it on that super mega old, like, IBM thing,

23:41

yes, don't remember that one, but like, that was there, there was a football game, and there was, like, something I had, I was like a something like Frogger, but I think it was a donkey, right, something like that. I'm pretty sure that's a real thing that I remember in and didn't just, like, make it up out of the middle of nowhere, probably been haunting my dreams for 30 years. I'm pretty sure,

24:14

I mean, like, I uh,

24:23

something like that. Those were games I remember playing. But I remember there was, like a football game where it was like, text commands, and then you would like, click the thing you wanted to do, and then it would like, I think it would run a generator and be like, Oh yeah, you succeeded. Or, Oh, nope, you failed. Boom, they go, done. Like, is that what that was? Yeah, it was like that. It was like a text based football game. You were, like, interesting, yeah, I seem to recall doing that. So that was thing, because I remember crack the code. I. Crack the code way before all these dudes in their West Coast offense, right? Like, if you did the two minute drill thing, you scored, like, all the time. So I was doing the hurry up offense way before Chip Kelly. All right, I just want you to know

25:17

that. Well, that's you. That was good job. That happened, right? So I just want we believe you Good job. Yeah, okay, I was there. Man,

25:34

that's great. Well, I'm glad you know that's something you'd be proud of, that good i They go, Oh, yes, I think I found this. It. I'm okay, I'll figure it later, but yeah, so that's a big thing this week. Ah, it was this. It was called donkey dot Bas, Boom. There you go. Okay. This is a game. I remember this. Found it when I just Googled donkey floppy disk and da, da. I'm pretty sure this is it. Look at that. There

26:20

we go, All right, anyway, back to real life. Things

26:31

before we dive in, yeah, the stuff, right? I do have a little review segment for you today. Right? Briefly inspired by the book that we're reading here. Yes, did you know that World War one death metal is a thing World War One, I answer, Yes, I did not right, so apparently there are many bands right that are that fall into some sort of Death Metal ish genre, right? That are themed around

27:29

World War One, right? So, there

27:33

there are World War One themed metal albums now, many of these are of the like, extreme metal persuasion, right? Uh, but we do have a

27:45

band review for you this

27:47

week. Oh, my gosh. Okay, this was still sitting down. Did I listen?

Collin  27:52

Okay? And real quick, I do need to clarify. This is not death metal from World War One. This is Death Metal using World War One themes. Okay, yes, let's just so like, but still, yes, it's odd. It's very like a mashy uppy, right? Because the fact that it's a themed album

28:12

slash band that's very proggy, right? It's like very prog rock theme, but like, it's definitely not Prague, right? It's 100% not. So this week, I have listened to a little bit, right? I listen to one band in particular, so maybe in the future, I'll have more of these. We'll see if I can handle this much death metal in my life. But I do like metal. I'm not really an extreme metal person, right? It's really not my vibe. Like, I can appreciate some of it, but, like, I don't. I'm not, like, drawn to it, you know? I'm not like, oh yes, super extreme music is my thing. Like, not really, um, but this week, I would like to talk to you about the band, 1914, okay,

29:06

the band, yeah.

29:08

So this is a, this is a Ukrainian band, right? Shout out. Ukrainian friends, Ukraine, right?

29:17

14. So it's like a little bit band, thank you. Wikipedia, so there is a band themed around WAR ONE. It's like, this band is kind of like

29:30

it's so it is like blackened death metal. So it's like death metal, but it like has black metal influences, right? But it also has a lot more, like

29:39

Doom e influences, because a lot of it is, like, slower paced and like groovier, right? So I did like this one kind of because it's not just like, a lot of like death metal and black metal is just like, and it's very like, it's like getting hit in the head with a. Hammer just for the whole time, and that's not fun for me. But this one has like riffs and grooves and like interesting things, so it's like a little more

30:08

slow, so I appreciate that, right? But they do have, uh,

30:15

some pretty sweet stuff both their two of their albums, or at least are online. You can just like, stream them on YouTube and just like, listen to them. So I was definitely maybe cooking spaghetti the other day listening to

30:27

1914, interesting combination. Yeah, yeah. I listened to two albums. I listened to the blind leading the blind, which is like their middle album, which is pretty good. But their most recent one from 2001 where fear and weapons meet, is pretty excellent, really, right? I actually, really like that one. Okay, it's a lot more it's pretty melodic. There is, like, blasty stuff and like hardcore stuff in there, but it's like, it's a little more melodic and like, medium tempo stuff. And the thing that's kind of frog, Rocky, slash, like power medley about him, because when you think about, like, historical rock albums, you think like power metal, like Sabaton, right? He's like, but they also have a lot of like, they use a lot of samples in the songs, like stitches, or like engineered noises, or like battley sounds or stuff like that, right? So sometimes it's like an actual historic recording speech that they put in there. Other times it's like from a movie or something, right? And it's like they're playing music, and then there's, like this monolog thing happening from, like a movie clip or something. It's pretty cool, like, atmospheric key, right? So, man, not like every song is wonderful. But do like quite do like them, I do like some of them, right? So they go, that is the,

32:03

and again, how would you like, is the, again,

32:07

you mentioned, mentioned the prog rock thing, and that's kind of where I was kind of thinking this was going with this, this, this is a very specific,

32:16

very niche, right? Like, is that hyper niche?

32:21

Are there a lot of other bands that are there. Are there are. It's a whole shove, genre, correct? Like a whole thing. It's very odd. It is a very weirdly niche thing, like, it's like, what?

32:45

So it is. I did listen briefly to a couple other like, just like singular songs from, like, other bands, right? Didn't love them quite as much, right? Uh, just on first listen, like some of them, I was like, Ooh, that's a little that's not like, what I like. But

33:08

okay, no, it's not, it's not bad. It's just like, maybe that's not like my general cup of TV, right? Because I just don't love, like, I said, I don't really just love, like, extreme metal,

33:19

right? I'm not really into that genre, you know, yeah, but, like, it's just want in stuff a lot, but it's not like bad, I guess. I don't know. I don't have a ear to judge it, right? But, yeah, so. But, uh, I thought it was pretty interesting, right? And like I said, I did like I think I liked the where fear and weapons meet one better, right? But, you know, I don't know how much better, but I did like it. I'm trying to find the song list. Those

34:00

songs are pretty good. Like, the opening track is pretty good. The war in the FN 380 ACP song is kind of intense, right? They named the song after the serial number of the gun that killed Archduke burns Ferdinand. Oh my

34:15

oh my gosh.

34:19

Yeah, that's the thing. It is a thing, right? There are very themed, right, like, around the thing, I think the other thing I liked about this band is that they don't like, they do have like, the vocals are not like I struggle with extreme vocal performances, right? Because I can't figure out, for like me, what is happening, right when they're just like, screaming or doing that, like, really, like weird yelling thing, oh yeah, or, like, the shrieking thing, I don't know what to do with. That. But this one, you can, like, hear words and understand what's going on. There's like, a story going on in some of these songs, right? So that, okay, I don't pick you can be like, I understand the theme here. I understand what's going on, right? So a lot of it just like highlighting how bad World War One is, right? A lot of Sure, bands are quite staunchly, like, anti war and, like, the whole point is to be like, look, oh, look, remember how bad this is, remember how much war sucks. Remember that and understood, remember, yeah, remember we don't like that, yeah, remember

35:32

how, remember how not cool this is, remember that guys, how not fun. This is, yeah, that's where you should remember. So that's, um,

35:47

yeah, that's what I did this week. I listened to extreme World War One themed black and death metal. I I did not. I did nothing of the swords. I'm

36:00

glad, glad you did that's not expecting you to do this, but just so you know, there may be slight other album or song reviews, maybe, if I can muster, if I can muster, uh, any other ones that I like, I think, out of the snippets that I because I did listen to, like, a couple other bands, like, not, like full long things or whatever, but out of the ones that I listened to briefly, this one is definitely my favorite one, right? Just that I vibe with the most, maybe because it was a little bit slower, right, a little more

36:40

into my like, it was a little bit more familiar. I think maybe sure

36:46

that makes sense, and not so like Alien and like, ah, what is happening. But you find, like, the theming and stuff kind of cool, right? It's interesting to have like, a genre theme, you know, like, even if it is, like, extremely niche and whatever, like, World War One, metal is a weird he's not expecting that, right? And I've heard other songs that are but again, like, it's like very power medley. Or, like, power metal is like, big, like, epic, like Anthony, like, you know, so, like Sabaton

37:28

is the one you think of, right? They have several songs that are, like, about World War One. I think they have one about, like,

37:33

sinking the Bismarck. That sounds right, like the

37:37

whole song is about the sinking of the Bismarck.

37:39

Well, now that's because, you know, is that there's an old timeline that's about to sing about, but like, that's the goddess thing, the Bismarck has the world depends on us. We hit the decks. Are running in. We spun the guns around. It's an old song,

37:55

yeah, maybe they, I don't know. I don't know if they, I don't know. I don't remember

37:59

what the Sabaton version sounds like this 1914 also

38:04

did. There is a version of the green fields of France, which I was not expecting sounds like a very slow, somber acoustic guitar song. This was like a death metal cover of the green fields of France. So that was a jarring.

38:21

Oh, okay, real quick,

38:22

I'm letting you know, yes, sync the Bismarck was originally written by Johnny Horton in long time ago.

Collin  38:34

That's sync. The Bismarck is a march song. Where is the where is the date? 1941 Oh, no, sorry, no, no, no. He wrote it in, oh, where is this? Oh, in, like, the 60s, whenever he had this, yeah, yes, whenever that song came out. Yep, in the UK, it peaked in 1960

38:54

Oh, so Oh, isn't that the same guy that wrote Greenfield of France? Did he have a whole world war one theme? No, what's going on

39:00

here? I think Johnny Horton also had one that he did a version of. I just was singing it today. Oh, no. Oh, the kids are gonna Oh, Johnny Horton, okay, hold on. He did the one where he's we, we fired our guns and the British kept it coming. It wasn't not as many as it was. Oh

39:25

yes, yes,

39:26

that one, um, Johnny Horton, uh, American musician, Battle of New Orleans. Is that one sing to Bismarck? Um, yeah, he did, uh, I don't know. Battle of the bull run, a couple of those other ones. So maybe I don't know, but I do see the Sabaton version here. So because I did gotta think the Bismarck death metal to get pull up that, because I was like, What is. The so now I want to listen to that and see if it's anything like

40:03

like the other one. I wonder. I don't think it's going to be anything like the other

40:09

probably not. Sabaton is very like, giant and epic and insanely Swedish. So, like, there,

40:17

yeah, probably not.

40:21

So we'll see. Okay,

40:27

like this, okay, yeah, so 1914, right? The man that we listen to this week,

40:33

very World War One, death penalty. Love it, right? So very interesting. But

40:38

I think where fear and weapons meet. Their newest album was

40:42

my favorite one.

40:44

I think I liked more songs on that one. Doesn't mean I did not like songs on the other one, obviously, but I think I liked on the blind, leading the blind. I didn't like as many

40:54

on that one. It wasn't bad, though. It was also just not my wheelhouse, like I said. So this is an outsider's strange overview of world war one death metal. There you go. Surprise, surprise, definitely death metal review definitely was not anticipating that. I Oh,

41:26

but since we're talking about

41:27

World War One, yeah, it is theming appropriate thematically, go into this true and go into what I'm I read, right? We were supposed to read chapter 13. Is that what we're

41:39

supposed to Oh, yeah, okay. I read 13 to 1918, well, I mean, I stopped at chapter 19, yeah. Okay, yeah. I read 13 through 1818. Yes, that's what we're supposed to do. Okay? And so I can find out where chapter 13 begins.

41:53

Yeah, hold on. I had to, I'm yeah, this to do, to do. I always

41:58

forget to employ the double bookmark strategy, where I always keep meaning to be like, Oh yes, I'll mark where I started.

42:05

Yeah, yeah. I can't, can't

42:07

remember do that. I will say before we start. I also told we're eating with some of my friends the other day, and he always asked me what book I'm reading, right? Partially because he's an Eagles teacher, right? And this is just how he starts conversations. But

42:24

I was like, Oh yeah, I'm reading a reading A Farewell to Arms. And he was like,

42:30

why? Oh no.

42:35

He was just like, very like, he was not expecting that, right? Because usually it's like, oh, I'm reading this history book or reading this murder mystery, everything's both. But I was like, Oh yeah, Farewell to Arms. And

42:44

he was like, what? Like, I know, I'm really did, like,

42:49

the old double take, like, literally, like,

42:55

Yeah, I know. I I'm asked that question quite a lot. No, I'm kidding. I But

43:00

yes,

43:04

we find, we find ourselves what he's in, Milan, yeah, he got off the train right early in the morning, unloaded in the freight yard, which is, I understand it's like necessary, but what a visual, just like unloading hospital patients in a freight yard, right? Like, not even the passenger yard, right, like the freight yard, right, with, like the hay and the metal scraps and all stuff. Like, probably, like cannons on other things, like cannons going out, wounded people coming back like,

43:43

do you have what? What a visual like, even

43:46

in a sort of throwaway sentence, right? The first sentence we got into Milan early in the morning, and they unloaded us in the freight yard, right? Yep. What a jarring like, just visualization, wow. That was harder to say than I

44:05

anticipated you for once, not

44:09

of the mechanization of World War

44:10

One, right where we was like unloading all the wounded, like train loads of wounded soldiers, who's like coming to dumping them in the freight yard and distributing into various hospitals and like, holy cow, man, that's yeah, that's wild, yep, yep. And, you know, it's interesting. I'm actually reading through

44:37

the

Collin  44:39

Edison biography, and I'm Oh, real quick on that. Sorry, real quick. I was wrong about how this was structured. They start. They start. So the eras of his life are broken down into the main obsession of himself at that time. And those are the general categories, and they work backwards. He's the most recent obsession and goes backwards through time. So like, Yeah, this is, it's, it's an amazing mechanic to presenting the life of an inventor, because they'll refer to things that we haven't learned about yet. But it's like, like, coming soon, coming soon, because they'll say so right now I'm in, like, the the war side of things, where he's I had completely forgotten that Edison batteries were like the world's like the globe standard, the gold standard for how batteries should be. They're talking about, actively right now, how he is trying to, he's trying to get the US Navy to buy his batteries to put in their submersibles, because they were currently using lead acid batteries and lead acid batteries that were open top that all, like, slosh around inside a submarine. Because the commander was like, Why Can't We? Or he Yeah, because he was like, why can't we go down at more of like, than a 12 degree pitch. And he's like, Oh, if we do that, the they spill over and we'll disintegrate our hole. He was like, oh, but he's holding his whole thing on the battery. We do it, yeah, well, you can't do that with that acid because of the reactions going up. But anyway, but we're starting this chapter and then, but also having this in the background, there were people, and Edison was one of them that was fully convinced that we had moved beyond war, because we had advanced technology, so much so that the devastation would obviously be apparent to anybody who, who? So we would avoid war because

46:45

these,

Collin  46:47

because the the technology was so great, like we were never going to go to war again, and we would just have peace eternally. And he's, he's saying that before World War One, you know, set off, right? And it's like there were people at the time who just thought that the mass carnage and things like that would never take place again. And then you jump into this book, and you're like, Yeah, unloaded in a freight car by the freight load. Bodies were being brought in in various states of, you know, torn up and, you know, obliteration. That's nuts, right? Like, I mean, yeah, that's crazy, you know, just, wow, that's, yeah, he was, he was actively going around being like, Oh, the armies are so great. Nobody's going to want to go to war because it's so there's so much power, and we're just gonna have peace. It's gonna be great. We couldn't possibly, you know, get into fighting over anything again. It's completely solved, right? We're all so we have enough advantage that no one's gonna want to fight again. I'm like, brilliant man, yeah. Very, very, very wrong, very wrong. Yeah, that's yeah, ouch, dang Thomas,

48:08

you're wrong about that one big time, yeah. Like,

Collin  48:10

also, also side mode here. Like, he firmly believed that if you wore clothing too tight, it would burst your micro blood vessels in your body and, like, constrict it so much so that he always wore jackets one size up, and His shoes were two sizes too large.

48:31

Wouldn't shoe things be like, the most annoying thing,

48:35

right? Like, because, you know, hoodies are things so, like, whatever. But like the shoes, though, imagine the rubbing and the uncomfortableness, like, that's terrible, awful, awful plan. Yeah, that was, that was a sidetrack to this because, but yes, that's so again, I'm reading that biography, and he's just making these broad proclamations, and everyone else like, yes, it's gonna be great. There's gonna be no problems. And then I get thrown back into this book,

49:11

and it's like, yep, yep. Freight loads. Freight loads. And we have a very comical

49:21

interlude here, getting into,

49:23

getting into the we do have, like a relief moment, almost like carrying him to the room, like the stretcher won't fit in the elevator. So they're like, Alright, boss, gonna carry you, and they're gonna,

49:38

they were gonna send the stretcher up through the stairs or something, which they couldn't do with him, I guess, because it was too tight. So yeah, they were gonna, I thought that was great. It's like, oh yeah. It's great, yeah. So he shows up, and he's the first person there, right? And so they're like, Hey, do. You know, where did you come in? Like, what? You can't come he's like,

50:06

Yes, I am. Here's my stuff. Hold on, there was no one there. They came. Where are they? No one knows. They're all asleep, right? Like, you don't know where he's at, yeah? Well, so they're just, like, just just go into a room. So they just go to the first room and just drop them off and, well, like, no sheets on the bed, no nothing. He's just like, that one, yeah, pick that one. Go. He directs

Collin  50:27

his carriers to go find an open room. Because the lady standing there being like, No, we weren't expecting anybody. The rooms are ready. There's no rooms. There's no rooms. And at first, because there is a little bit of confusion, because she's like, No, there are no rooms. And it appears as though, like, they're full. And basically what she's saying is, we're not ready for any patients yet. Like, we're not open technically. And he's just like, like, we

50:49

don't have rooms because they're occupied. We don't have rooms because we have no staff. Like, No, we weren't expecting patients yet. It's like, surprise, I'm here. Put me in that room. Yeah, because she said they are

50:59

all empty. They you are the first just, like, Wait

51:02

a minute. Oh no. Take me to some room.

51:07

Yeah. Anyway, put me down.

51:11

So, like, he has to put him down. And then, then, like, they're talking, it's like trying to figure Miss Barclay here, they're like, We talking about, and he's just laying his bed with no sheets at the moment. And the other lady comes in. She's like, we have to take your temperature, right? And she's asking him stuff about his wounds. And he's like, she does the thermometer thing. And he's like, you know, the Italians don't do that. And she's like, shush. And then he says, What is my temperature? And you can't know. And

51:39

he's like, wait, what?

51:42

I love that it's almost normal. You mean it's almost almost normal?

51:49

She's like, What do you mean? You don't have a fever? He's like, he's like, I don't have a fever, but my legs are full of iron. And she's like, well, you should have a fever. He's like, Well, I don't, so I don't know what that means. Um, yep,

52:02

yep. Because she said, yeah. If you have any foreign bodies in your legs, they would set up on inflammation, and you'd have fever, all right. I said, we'll see what comes out, right? Yeah. Basically, I could, I could tell you it's in there right now. We'll

52:15

see what they pull out of these legs. Oh, yeah. Well, and is this where they start getting like,

52:25

what happens to this? Oh, right, where he's this is like, they

52:27

can't get a hold of doctor because he's at the right and so they like, they come in and they, they like, make the bed with him in it, which he was very impressed by. He was, oh, it's pretty cool, yes. But so he can't have anything unless the doctor prescribed it. I was like, well, where's the doctor? We don't know. We can't reach

52:44

we phoned him. He's at the lake. They keep saying we phoned him. We phoned him. He's like,

52:49

when we phoned him, he was like, When's he coming back? We don't know. We phoned him. He's like, What's he doing here? Swimming? No, he has a clinic there, and I was a doctor. No, he'll come soon. Okay. We phoned him. I was immediately thrown into every sort of,

Collin  53:07

you know, customer service interaction where you're like, I need help. And they're like, Okay, we'll get you help. And you're like, when's the help coming? Well, we're working on the help. And you're like, that's not helpful. Like, we're working on the help. Like, that's no stop saying the same thing. You're not actually doing anything. I

53:23

was like, oh, okay, well, that hasn't changed at all. Yeah, and, and I haven't read this other book in a long time, but like, the similarities to like catch 22 which is a book just highlighting just the absurdity of, like, military bureaucracy. They just keep popping up in this book are kind of hilarious to me, right? Like, sure, right? And so he's just, they're telling him, like, you can't do all this, you can't do this, you can't do this, you can't do this. And he's like, Fine, you can go. And then he gets the porter, and it was like, Hey, bring me some wine and some vermouth. Because apparently, people just drink vermouth. I didn't know that. And just odd, whatever. And and some newspaper, and the new, as many newspapers you could find, and bring it back here. And he just, like, sticks him under the bed, yep, and he hides it. I mean, kind of, I mean, not real well, because, like, the lady finds it later chapter, but like, yeah, he just, like, doesn't really hide it. He just sets it down on the other side of the bed. Was like, Uh huh. Can't see it now. Suck it. Was like, I guess, yeah.

54:45

So, yeah, that whole first chapter is just just,

54:47

like bizarre,

54:50

like nothing. It's like just kind of this one. It's kind of like a levity chapter, almost. It feels like it's like we're kind of, even though, like he doesn't really take anything serious. Honestly, just like highlighting how not well everything works here is just, it's kind of funny, giving the surrounding situation. Well, like the irony of the comedy of errors that's occurring at this moment compared to the rest of what was happening earlier, is, like, it's very humorous. Well, not in like a like, in a dark way, not in, like, a haha, belly rough way,

Collin  55:23

like, yes, yeah. And, but right here, it's the last page, yeah. It's all going, he's having these, these, you know, back and forth with the nurse and kind of the ribbing and what's going on. And he's being a little bit of a hard to deal with, by some of the nurses are saying. And then that night, it says I watched for a while and then went to sleep. I slept heavily, except once I woke sweating and scared and then went back to sleep, trying to stay outside of my dreams. I woke for good, long before was light and heard roosters crowing, and stayed on awake until it began to be light. I was tired, and once it was really light, I went back to sleep again. Yeah, alright, get here's that first glimpse into

56:13

some of that, the trauma. Trauma, yeah, you are really impacted, and

Collin  56:19

it doesn't explain why or what dreams he was intentionally trying to stay outside of. But this was definitely a again, the levity of all of this and how he's kind of blustering off all of this stuff, going, No, you there is. There's deep, deep trauma here, right? Like, and this just how it's presented here. I like, I just love this, except once I woke weighing square, scared and went back to sleep, trying to stay outside of my dreams, like just a place that he didn't want to go back to, and was just trying to focus on something else.

56:56

Yeah, it's yeah. So that could be the end of all. But actually, though, but actually yeah, but trying to make light of everything, but actually, though, like,

57:04

yeah, which, which actually is an interesting tie in, because I know in later chapters and we'll get to this, but maybe I'll save it to them, I'll say, Aha, okay. Anyway, so then we go to chapter 14, yeah, we can have a more slight comedic timing, because we he calls for the barber. Oh my gosh, right? Is that is it? Does a barber come in this chapter? That's what I can't remember. That's later. I thought that was so they called. Well, he's they're calling, oh, can I have a barber? Yes,

57:37

right, right, yeah. So coming soon the barber, but so he's talking and sort of making friends with the nurse, right? The other nurse, right? She tells him that this is Gage, and then she says that Miss Barkley has come. And he's like,

57:54

outside, right?

57:57

So Gage is not impressed with Miss Barclay, yes.

58:00

And he's like, No, that's fine, don't worry. Yeah. And, oh no, it is. It is this chapter where the so the

58:10

barber does come later, right? He looks at him, no, it's on the next page here. Oh, sorry, yeah, right. I love this so much. Yeah, this was good. So the barber comes in here, and he's just like yelling. And, you know, he's not very he's not talking. And he's like, What? What news he's like? What news he's like? Of what the war he's like, the enemies are everywhere he like, won't talk to him, right? No, he's just like, staring at him. Well, he says, staring at him. And says, What's the matter with you? I asked. I am an Italian. I will not communicate with the enemy, because if he was crazy, the sooner I could get out of from under the racer, the better. Yeah, that's what. Once I tried to get a look at him. Beware. He said, The Razor is sharp, right? He tried to pay him and tip him, and he returned all of the money. He's like, I will not I am not at the front, but I am an Italian. And then he asked the porter. He's like, what the world was going on? He's like, okay, so he didn't understand me when I said, you're an American. He thought I said, Austria.

59:21

I Oh, it's

59:26

like, ah, that makes sense.

59:32

This is good. And the Porter is dying laughing, and Henry's like, Haha, get out of here. Yeah. Oh, I went out. I heard him laughing down the hallway, yeah, oh, I said literally, how funny if he would have cut off my throat.

59:45

Oh, ho, oh yeah, I like that part of that. I. I yeah, that part was good. I really, that was that, I think, kind of funniest part of the book so far. I think that was a very good telling of

1:00:09

that, yeah, yeah.

1:00:10

And so then then we do find Mr. Barkley comes in as he leaves, as the porter leaves, right? And he is very excited, and immediately falls in love with her all over again here, right? Just like when she comes to the room and do they spend some time together, and they're like, Okay, look, but you know, we can't. We have to, like, you know, be low key, because if they catch us and know that we're like, together together, like, they'll just make me go somewhere else. And you don't want that, do you? And he's like, Oh no, no, I don't, actually, so maybe not. So they have this, like reintroduction. And then she tells him that the

1:00:52

doctor called, right? So,

1:00:56

so the Mr. Gage comes back in after, but you know, after this whole Barclay thing he does say, like,

1:01:03

you know, I know I had not wanted to fall in love with her. I had not wanted to fall in love with anyone. God knows, I had to lay. I had and I had lay on the bed in that room in the hospital in Milan, and all sorts of things went through my head, but it felt wonderful. And Miss gage comes in and says, hey, the doctor will be here this afternoon. He telephone. He telephone from, like, home, yeah,

1:01:25

telephone,

1:01:27

oh, man, this was, this was another. This was another fantastic chapter on the retelling of, like, the perceptions of positions in the military. Yes, this chapter

1:01:39

is the, I think the best one that I reread this time I this was the what, this was what I want to talk about. Okay, this

Collin  1:01:44

was the, the most ridiculous one, yes, yep, because he starts, he starts off with the doctor coming in. Um, what do you say? The doctor was a thin, quiet, little man who seemed disturbed by the war, and he starts to cut into this. And I the first thing I highlighted with this was it said the anesthetized area was clearly defined by the patient. And after a time, the doctor's fragile zeal can see was exhausted, he's the patient. And basically he's

1:02:13

sitting there screaming about pain, yeah, that he's using to get these things out, yes, right? And he's like, so this whole thing is going on, and he's like, Well, yeah. Plus also they come when they come in, right?

1:02:34

They come in with,

1:02:37

he didn't come in more than one after the X rays come in, because right now, so they going back and forth with the X ray Tech, I think, yeah. So,

1:02:42

well, there, there were. So, yeah. So before he came back, three doctors came into the room. I have noticed that doctors who fail in the practice of medicine always have a tendency to seek one another's company and aid in consultation. A doctor who cannot take out your appendix properly will recommend to you a doctor who will be unable to remove your tonsils without success. These were three such doctors. So these, these people, when they come in to read the X rays, these, these people are, he is not. He's like, No. And so there's this whole thing. It's like, oh yes. Very clean, very clean, very nice. It's all sterilized. Please move your knee. I can't, oh, we'll test the articulation. So he like, grabs it and tries to pull it, and he's like, that hurts. Yes, a little farther. No, that's enough. That's as far as it goes. I said,

1:03:32

Uh huh,

1:03:35

oh no. Like

Collin  1:03:36

the show me the left leg, like, that is the left leg doctor. And then, and then he says the phrase that the kind of person who like that when, when, when, the when the he writes this phrase as the doctor says, I'm going that is exactly what an incompetent person would say when he says, Oh yes, you're right. I was looking from a different angle. Yes, exactly like, oh, no, what you're doing. Oh,

1:04:01

you can't tell left from right. Oh, no, right, yeah, this is a Yeah. Then they get in this argument. He's like, it's a question of time, three months, six months, probably. And he's like, wait six months for

1:04:16

what I asked, six months for the projectile to insist before the knee can be open safely. I don't believe you. I said, Do you want to keep your knee, young man, no, I said.

1:04:28

And then he says, I want to cut off so I can wear a hook on

1:04:35

it. He is joking. Said the house doctor, and patted my shoulder right down.

1:04:40

Oh my gosh.

1:04:42

So. So he says, basically, you have to stay just in this bed for six months, and we can't operate on you until cysts develop around the shrapnel, because we can't take out the shrapnel without that. And he's like, mm. Hmm, no,

Collin  1:05:03

because then he calls the house Doctor back in and is basically like, Okay, tell me, like, what's actually going on here? And he's like, No, this is the safe way. This is what we have to do, right? And this is a very good surgeon, right? This guy's perfectly fine. And, and our guy keeps, keeps probing this doctor. Of like, No, I don't believe you,

1:05:24

but I but so again, we get to the army bit, right? Yes. Do you really think yourself, I will have to wait that long? That is the safe way. Who is that first captain? Oh, he's a very excellent surgeon in Milan. He's a first captain, isn't he? Yes, but he's an excellent surgeon. I don't want my leg fooled with my first captain. If he was any good, he would get major. I don't know what a first captain is doctor, or I know what the first captain they

Collin  1:05:50

know what life's captain? Nope. I do not let him near me, because I only Yes. He's an excellent surgeon, and would rather have his judgment than any surgeon I know. And then he's like, could somebody else see it? Certainly right? So they so he's getting a second opinion, right? Yes, he's basically said he wants a second opinion. So, oh, and he keeps saying this again, this whole like, incompetency. If he's like, I don't want to be in bed. He's like, Oh no, you wouldn't be in bed the whole time. You'd have some sun cure, then you could do some light exercise. And he's like, Yeah, but I don't, I don't want to be in bed some sun cure. But they used to do, they used to out, right? But he's just like, but that comes up again where he's like, I don't want to be in bed. He's like, Oh no, you, you wouldn't. It's like, you don't understand. Yeah, just don't understand.

1:06:46

So, yeah. So then they get two hours later, Dr Valentini comes, right, and they have another little conversation. Dr Valentini is very, very wild, wiry fella, right? He's very animated. That's weird, I couldn't think of right? So he's just there, blah blah. He's like, does it hurt? Does he feel? He's like, yes, a

1:07:09

lot. He's like, ah, blah blah. So he talks

1:07:13

about all kinds of stuff. He's like, sort of rambling on. And it's also interesting, because when he asked the other doctor, he's like, we have a drink with me. He's like, No, I'll never drink. He's like, Hey, Dr faucini, will you have a drink with

Collin  1:07:23

me? He's like, certainly, let's go well. And again, I was under the impression that this was an Italian doctor, right? So again, and the way he writes the Italian doctors conversation, right? It's like, it's just again, it's just move like, Oh, let me show these fights. How? Great over here, like, and versus the stilted, kind of regimented American doctors and their conversation and their incompetency along with it, yeah, because

1:07:53

this whole paragraph is the Italian doctor talking and just like asking questions and then, like, asking another question, and, like, not right? Like, you know, isn't this a bloody war? How does it feel? You're a fine boy. I'll make you better than new. Does that hurt you? Bet it hurts. How can they love to hurt you? These doctors, uh, blah, what have they all done for you so far? Can that girl speak Italian? She should learn. What a lovely girl she is. I'll teach her for you. Like, yeah. He's like, Oh, but I won't take her from you. Yeah. Gosh. So he's like, Well, okay, so doc, when do you think you can operate on me? He's like, tomorrow. Yep,

1:08:29

I love that. Like, right? Yes, that's what we're doing here. So they Yeah, and

1:08:37

he's like, I like how he goes tomorrow morning, not before your stomach must be emptied. You must be washed out. I'll see the old lady downstairs and leave instructions Goodbye. I'll see you tomorrow. Also bring you some better cognac than that. You'll be very comfortable

1:08:50

here. And then, how does this How does this

1:08:52

chapter in is my favorite, right? He waved from the doorway. His mustaches went straight up. His brown face was smiling. There was a star in a box on his sleeve because he was a major,

1:09:12

because he was a major because, yes,

1:09:20

He's like, See, I knew it, non major, whatever I know what that is. Oh, man, man, yeah, so I think this was the this chapter, I can remember 15, or maybe 14, was the first time where we had gotten some more language of him being hot again. I'm trying to track this theme of how often this comes up, and what certain circumstances of, you know, the the oppressiveness of certain things we got, yeah, well, it definitely is in full effect in like 1616, years like after this. I. After this, because the next couple chapters, right? 16, 1718, are all like, super short, and it's just like, like, you just kind of blitz through all of these pretty quickly, right? It's only a few pages. All those three chapters are only, like, in my book, it's only like, what's this? Like, five pages, really, six maybe. Like, that's it. So it's not, yes, it's not a lot. So we're kind of like, yeah, he's, he's, he does have the surgery, right? But,

Brandon  1:10:32

oh, excuse me, yeah. So they have the Catherine is staying the night with him, right? She's working the night shift, you know, and she's volunteered to be on night shift, and, you know, so that they can be together, just like, hang out and, you know, other nefarious things in the hospital wing.

1:10:51

And this, this is another thing. He's very insistent that she's always there, right? She's

Collin  1:10:56

always there, yeah, I think this is part of sure he's like, Yeah, I don't want to ever be away from you. But flashback to the conversation about him having trying to stay out of his dreams, being scared at night. Like,

1:11:12

yes, it's not mentioned here, but we already know that he's struggling with night terrors. I think this is definitely part of his

Collin  1:11:22

insistence of never being alone at night, because he's terrified. Like, I'm reading between some lines here, but like, I think really, that's an and, and he's using her as being like, like, no, of course, I love you and, you know, let's, you know, Let's be together at night because I love you, and that's what we're supposed to do because we love you. But really, it's like, I can't stand being alone.

1:11:43

I can't be alone here. Yeah, don't, don't. No, it's, it's, but he can't just tell her that, like, it's anyway there was, there's a lot, yeah, in here, yeah. So

Brandon  1:11:52

that's what this chapter is. They're kind of talking about that stuff, right? And they're talking about, like, their pasts, right? And talking about the other nurses and, right? It's like, you know, well, what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? And he's like, Well, you know, we'll get well, but you get well quickly, darling, and we'll go somewhere. I was like, and then what? Well, maybe the war will be over. It can't always go on like, I get I will get well. I said, Valentini will fix

1:12:17

me, right? Yeah. Don't forget,

1:12:19

he has a very lovely temperature. And maybe their children will have lovely temperature too. Of course, whatever that means, like, what is so

1:12:25

weird? Yeah, yeah, she's Yeah,

1:12:32

anyway, yes, yes, but yeah, they're talking about kind of what they're gonna do now together. Yeah, you can't go feel quickly,

1:12:43

yeah, he should, oh, oh, I do

1:12:45

have to also point this out when he's going back about Valentini, when he says, I will get well, Valentino will fix me. The next line from our nurse lady, she says, he should with those mustaches, yeah, the power of the mustache can

1:13:01

be not, not be denied here.

1:13:05

Yeah. Oh, and she also says, make sure you think about something else tomorrow, not us, because people get very blabby under anesthetic. He's like, What should I think about? Anything but us? Think about other people or some other girl? He's like, No, I know. And then there's this whole big this

1:13:20

is very like, this whole conversation reads as, like, middle school dating like, or, like, very early, like, dating like, when you're, like, very young, right? Like, Oh, but you don't have to tell me, you know blah blah. I know you've been with, I know you've dated other people. No, no, you don't have to tell me about them, really. But I want to know. Like, blah blah blah. Like, what is going on here? What in the what are the 17 year old girls going on? What's

Collin  1:13:56

Don't tell me. But also, she keeps saying, Don't tell me. No, I don't want to know. You're right. And then it's like, oh, here's a, here's another, here's another. You know, I'm gonna ask you another question on that exact same topic, but don't tell me. But also, like, you're like, oh, no, no, she did. She really, really

1:14:10

wants, like, you really do love me, right? Yes, are you sure? Yes, anyway, blah, blah, but you really do, right? Like, yes. Like,

1:14:16

what in the like, does not This is, like, this is red flag city, right? This viewer.

1:14:32

So that's that whole chapter there, uh, 17, again, very short, but we have, it's very again. So that's the night before the surgery, right? 17 starts when I was awake after the operation, I had not been away. You don't go away. They only choke you. It's not like dying. It is just a chemical choking so you don't feel and afterwards, you might as well have been drunk, except there, when you throw up, there is nothing. But bile and you don't feel better afterwards, but he is. It's not gone well, right? And anesthetics in 1917 or whatever, not great, yep, turns out there's like, here's some ether, like,

1:15:19

so I but two and a half hours right of leg surgery, and he didn't say anything silly, that's right. There's also other patients in the hospital, some people with malaria. Yes, a nice yay. Also malaria and jaundice, yes, right? Again, malaria and jaundice, this is against another catch 22 connection for me, because whenever yosirian is in the hospital, he, like, checks himself into the hospital because he doesn't want to go fight in the war, because he doesn't want to get killed by people he doesn't know. He tells them that he is lightly jaundiced, right? And, like, he tells them he feels sick, so they can't discharge him, but they also can't find anything wrong with him, so they don't discharge him, because he keeps telling him they feel sick. It's a whole thing. So like anyway,

1:16:18

so there's some other people hanging out here now. So the other nurses have some

1:16:23

things to do,

1:16:27

you know? And he's talking to one of the other nurses and about Miss Barkley, right? And he's like this whole thing, right? She does not believe that this is going to go well for him, right? She she could tell there's some red flags in this situation, right? Because he's like, will you come to our wedding? Fergie, you won't get married. Yes, so we will no, you won't why? You'll fight before you marry. We never fight. You've got time.

1:16:54

We don't fight, or you'll die. Then fight or die. That's what people do. They don't marry. Uh huh.

Collin  1:17:06

Yeah, yeah. She does not believe. She does not believe in this. And she definitely knows, yes, don't fight then don't get her into trouble. I won't mind you, watch out. I don't want her any of these war baby. Oh, because, yeah, probably Previous to this, she said, you get her in trouble and I'll kill you. It's like, yeah, I won't get her in trouble, yeah. And she's well, because she says, like, when you skip down a couple lines, right? She's talking about the you've got to you know, you're getting

1:17:39

in trouble because the Miss Van Camp, and the head nurse is mad that you're sleeping all morning, right? Because you're up all night, right? And you gotta let her off night shift. You can't let her, you can't make her do night shift all the time, because the none of the other nurses are gonna complain that she's doing all of the night shift duty. But, yeah, she keeps but she keeps volunteering for it, and everyone's like, okay, yeah, sure, go for it, right? Yep. But she can see that she's getting run down, right? She can see that Miss Barclay, Catherine is getting run down and goes, You can't do that to her. You've got to let her rest. And you have to, can't just make her do that all the time. So you, you have to talk to her, because she won't do it unless you ask her to. So I'm telling you, are going to do this?

1:18:21

Yes,

1:18:24

and he does this in the most, like nine, I don't know, like smooth

Collin  1:18:30

way to misgage, because he calls for Miss Gage. And he's like, I just want to talk to you. Don't you think Miss Barkley ought to go off a night of duty for a while? Yeah. She's like, I'm a friend of yours. You don't have to talk to me like that. He's like, What do you mean? He's like, Oh,

1:18:48

what do you mean? Yeah, I'm your friend. Don't forget that, yes, yeah.

Collin  1:18:56

And she's like, and he's like, Yeah, you're awfully nice. She's like, No, I'm not. I know who you think is nice, but I am your friend, so and I thought this was very interesting, because basically, she's like, No, Don't lump me in with those other people. Like, I know who you like. I saw. I took this as her saying, yeah, she's like, I know what you're doing, I know what you're doing,

1:19:15

and I know what you associate with, and I know what kind of people you have. I'm not like them. Don't call me nice because I'm not like those people. Like, is that that's the context that I got from this?

1:19:27

Yeah, right. She's like, don't, don't flatter me. I'm not gonna fall for your trick, because he does, like smooth talk stuff and right, try to, like, play it off and, like, he gets by with some of that. Sometimes. She's like, Don't play games with me. Yes, I know what you're doing. You don't have to lie to me. I know, okay, but I'm gonna do it anyway because I'm your friend, but don't not because you're buttering me up. And I think I have to because I want to, and I'm going to because I actually care about you. Shut up. Yeah? Well,

1:19:53

and even in the end, she says, um, yeah. She says, uh, she leaned over. I'm your friend. I know you are. No. You don't, but you will someday, basically, like you, yeah, you don't know what actual like kindness is, or like what, what genuine, you know help and like it is in the world. Because, yeah, I mean, he basically admitted that earlier in book one, when he was talking to the priest, right? Yeah, you know, because the priest was like, You're a good guy. And he's like, I'm not, though, right? And here it's like, the opposite. He's like, Oh, but you are. And she's like, No, you're not. Like, he's like, I am these things. No, no, I know. I know what you're

Collin  1:20:35

really doing. And she's, she's telling him, like, you don't even know, like what genuine friendship is, because it's all a charade. It's all a game. It's all just toying back and forth like you don't actually know. So fine, like you will, you will know. You'll look back on this and understand that this was true, true kindness and true friendship.

1:20:59

So you know, just releases him, yeah, yep. And, and Catherine goes off and gets some good sleep, and then she comes back yes for a couple to three days off now, three, right? Whole days, yeah. And then we're back to red

Brandon  1:21:15

flag central in our last chapter. I mean, right, he can get out and about and go around and stuff. Now it's part of his thing. He's going out and they go to, they've got a restaurant they go to, they like the head waiter guy. So they go there a lot. And George, George the head waiter, he saves him a table. He kind of was giving him the whole deal.

1:21:43

You know, they have this weird interaction where, like, you know, he's a little short of money, and George just loaned him some. He's like, I know how it is. I know how a man gets short. Peter, you lady, need money. I've got money, right? Like, what's that's a little bit weird, but okay, so they get they one evening they're doing this, they get back to the hospital, and they go in their separate doors, right? And then they come back upstairs together, yeah, come back together, and

Collin  1:22:16

they start talking again about what they're going to do, right, like after this, yeah, because they transitioned to it. Of it seemed to work sometimes, but that was probably because we were thinking the same thing anyway, oh, because they were trying to again this whole love puppy thing where they're like, yeah, what am I thinking now? What am I thinking? Yeah. And then he jumps to we said to each other that we were married the first day she had come back to the hospital, and we counted months

1:22:42

from our wedding day, saying, Oh yes, oh yes. So like, they're talking about, well, he because he brings up, like, well, couldn't we actually be married? And she's like, No, because they'd send me away, um, you know, I'd have to go home. He's like, I could come home on leave. He's like, you can't get to Scotland and back here on leave, shut up.

1:23:09

And so, like, we don't need to marry because we are married, right? It's this very, like,

1:23:13

again, very weird, right? I couldn't be any more married, right? Like, Well, I only wanted to for you. There isn't any me. I am you don't make up a separate me. Oh, no. Oh no. Alert,

1:23:29

oh, alert,

1:23:30

Alert, alert, yeah, because, yeah, I thought girls wanted to be married. They do, but darling, I am married. I'm married to you, don't I make a good wife. Oh, okay. Oh, okay.

1:23:43

This, yeah, this whole thing is, it's a very awkward ride. And, and you know that she brings up, like, who can't really be married, except for rather church or a state? And we, you know, then it's a whole thing, and then we had to bring the regulations into it. And, you know, I'm not even really that religious anyway, so I care about church wedding. And it's like, well, you gave me the same Anthony, didn't you? And she's like, Yeah, but that was just for life. Someone gave it to me, so I gave you.

1:24:12

It's fine. So we're, we're developing some very unhealthy co dependencies here in this chapter, right? We have only nothing

1:24:25

worries. You only being sent away from you. You are my religion. You are all I've got.

1:24:33

Oh no, oh no, Red Flag of Reno on the play. Yeah,

1:24:41

this is very this is a very unhealthy codependency, right? Like, real bad, real fast. We've escalated very quickly here from playing games and being silly to oh no, yep, I.

1:25:00

Yeah. And she's, it's all about, you know, oh gosh, what is Oh right, I don't, but I love you so much. And you did love someone else, and what happened to him? He died, right? Yes. And if he hadn't, I would have, I wouldn't have met you and, and I'm not an faithful, you know, plenty of face, right? And you're just like, okay, oh my gosh. And then she just, it's then she transitions to just talking about being happy. I just want you to be happy. I just want you to happy. You want me to do this, don't do that. I just want you to be happy. Like, do you want? Like, what do you want? It's like, Yeah, okay. There's a lot of like, oh my goodness, yeah.

1:25:39

There's a

1:25:40

lot of unhealthiness occurring, right? A lot of codependency, a lot of poor coping on everyone's part. Everyone we have is very recent trauma we were not addressing. We have her older trauma we're not addressing.

1:26:00

Yeah, this is not,

1:26:06

nobody knows, not wonderful, right? Not on a good track here, but definitely again, just the themes here, of of of coping and trying to make a reality and sense out of something that makes no sense, and his in some sense, sense less right, like this. This is all just this weird attempt of of finding some normalcy and some through line, and some just, I'm trying to make a semblance of what I think I should have as a life. And yeah, you know, because he, because

Collin  1:26:42

he, you know, he's, you know, oh, she shouldn't, you know, because they're talking about, like, you know, kids and marriage and life forward. And it's like, you're in war. Like, what are you talking about right now? Like, it's, and she's also doing that, of like, she's trying to make something real that isn't real and or, you know, live a life basically that she lost entirely and never got really over. And you just continue to see how both of them are getting exactly what they are looking for, and how horrible it is to watch, yeah, right in this, like, they're searching for what they think normalcy is supposed to be in the insanity that is World War One surrounding them, right? So, like, and it's not in the problem is it? It's not what they actually need. It's one of those, like, what they think they're supposed to need? Yes, right? Like, it's not actually healthy

1:27:51

coping mechanism. It's not actually she's like, Oh yeah, no. People meet and they then they fall in love, and then they get married, they have kids. That's what normal people do. We should do that because we are normal people. First of all, you're not normal people, right? But again, it's like a coping thing where you're trying to find some normalcy, because, like, nothing makes sense, uh huh, right? Like, everything is so

1:28:13

disorienting,

1:28:15

because it's so bad, and it's been happening for we, well, we estimated three years at this

1:28:21

point, right? So, well, what the war has been dragging on for roughly three years of not a lot of change, right? Just like the same repetitive horrors continuing over and over all the time, right? And it is, like, mind numbingly horrible. And so they're looking for something to make sense. So they're going, they're trying to cling to this, like, oh, well, what is what is normalcy supposed to look like? Well, normalcy is supposed to look like this. So I should be trying to obtain this thing, right, even though that is definitely not the best thing to do in the current

1:29:06

situation,

1:29:07

right? Yes, yep, yep, exactly. And so this will probably be perfectly healthy and Oh, yes. What could possibly

1:29:17

go wrong? Wait

1:29:20

by chapter 20 will be great,

1:29:23

yeah, so yes, tune in next time for the second half of Book Two. Yes,

1:29:35

right, the joy that's probably filled there, oh

1:29:37

yes, I'm sure there is joy. Wait, oh no, there may be some levity, levity so we can promise you levity. We cannot promise joy,

1:29:48

nope. Oh, we'll do the best we can.

1:29:52

We can though promise haikus, that's what we can't promise. So speaking up.

1:30:01

Hey him. Hey him.

1:30:05

In closing this week we have me remembering to actually write

1:30:14

a haiku Hooray for

1:30:16

your maybe happier ending. Who knows? Here we go ready, woolen armor, shield pierced by winter's icy spear, braced against attack.

1:30:38

Was your I love that. Yes,

1:30:50

where's my scarf? Ah,

1:30:53

I know I I was out dog walking yesterday and today, and I was just like, Oh no, no, no, no. It's so bad. It's, I'm ready for some Yeah, the

1:31:09

yeah over it. Icy

1:31:10

spear, yes, I love it. Hopefully we'll be have a different tune next time. We'll see okay, lots to look forward to, and a lot indeed see what happens next

1:31:26

time. Yes, tune in. Next time. Until

1:31:31

then, a conclusion of Book Two, until then. Until then. Love you. Love you too. Bye, bye.