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Brandon smelled smoke. Collin drove a Pacifica. Pip has some great realizations…

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smoky Friday, controlled burn, wildfires, rainy week, ice pellets, Texas trip, protesters, tech hub, tallest building, driverless cars, rental car review, Chrysler Pacifica, rugged minivans, overlanding, Miss Havisham., Great Expectations, Pip, Estella, vengeful spirit, Miss Havisham, crimes, jail escape, mystery, unnamed person, action, fretting, haiku, Pacifica, 2026 redesign, Grizzly edition.

SPEAKERS

Brandon, Collin Funkhouser

Brandon  00:17

You Ahoy, ahoy. How

Collin Funkhouser  01:41

was Your March starting off on it's soggy, my goodness,

Brandon  01:50

soggy, and also, apparently, on fire. That is what the weird thing?

Collin Funkhouser  01:55

Oh, I don't have the fire. Wait a minute. What is going on?

Brandon  01:58

Yeah, earlier this week, I can't remember what day it was. Might have been Thursday, right? Wake up, I'm like, oh, man, no, it was Friday because I took the trash down to the curb. I remembered to take down the trash. Shocking in and of itself, let's be honest. But when we went down there, it was like, it was just like hazy outside, and it kind of smelled of smoke. And I was like, that's weird. I wonder if there's like, something on fire somewhere,

Collin Funkhouser  02:35

till then, not a good sign.

Brandon  02:36

No, no. It's always like, is it like you just like, smelled smokey, right? It was like, looking around, I didn't hear fire engine noises. Like, okay, that's weird. So we're driving to school, and there's just, like this low fog, like, slammed, like, really close to the ground, but it's, it's like, smoke, right? And it turns out they were doing some sort of burn in the Mark Twain National Forest, right? And it was just like, plus there's some wildfires out around, so I don't know if, but this bird in the forest was like, they were doing some sort of controlled burn thing. And it was just like, so smoky everywhere. It was really weird.

Collin Funkhouser  03:26

Yeah, it's interesting. You say that I feel, for some reason, I feel like there were we, now that you mentioned it, there were a lot of burns going on up by us, and I don't know. I mean, I don't

Brandon  03:36

know if part of that is because of the wildfires that are in like Oklahoma and Kansas, right, you know? And then, I don't know if that is connected, but it does feel weird for the Forest Service to be like, there's a red flag warning, we should do a controlled burn. Like, what? Hold on guys, wait a minute.

Collin Funkhouser  04:02

I know you all are the professionals, however,

Brandon  04:05

yeah, yeah, plus, plus, it's gonna be real rainy all this week, so, like, it, you know, hold on for like a day. And then

Collin Funkhouser  04:15

what they were thinking, they're like, ah, if it gets out of control, we'll get some rain coming.

Brandon  04:18

I mean, that might have been sort of part of the plan, right? They were like, well, we'll do it right before the rainy day happens. Let it rip so, like, what could go wrong? Well, never mind. But yeah, so that was a very weird Friday, and, like, it was so bad. I was like, if it doesn't, not do that like, I guess they, I don't know if they stopped or if the wind just shifted, but, like, all of that was gone by noon because I was like, we can't go outside to recess like this. Like, I don't know if it's because the wind shifted, or if the pressure changed and it like, you know, let up all that smoke from being like, because it was, like, slammed, like, to the ground, like it was weird. It was like, not higher than the trees really, right? So it just felt like there was, like, all this, like, high pressure air was just sort of, like, smooshing down.

Collin Funkhouser  05:14

High pressure smooshed. Yeah,

Brandon  05:16

the high pressure, you'll get old high pressure smoosh right? So I don't know, but, uh, but, yeah, that was, that was weird. So it was smoky, and now it's waiting, rainy, waiting. We had,

Collin Funkhouser  05:29

we had, we had ice pellets from the sky earlier that.

Brandon  05:32

Well, did you yeah that we just had

Collin Funkhouser  05:37

to fix a brake pad on a set of roller blades, and as one does, had to go out to my little workbench in our garage, which, okay, so my garage is a detached garage, and so what do I call it? Just naturally a barn, a barn, yes, to which I am reminded by my entire family that we do not have a barn. And I'm like, it's kind of a barn because it's, it's, it's over there, and I'm gonna walk to it, you know, it's, it's barn.

Brandon  06:11

Ask, what's in there? Lawn tools? Yeah, that's barnish, right?

Collin Funkhouser  06:16

Berry. Barnish. Very

Brandon  06:18

varnish, right? Just because there's not a big, giant ham radio in it doesn't mean it can't be a barn, okay?

Collin Funkhouser  06:24

I think you just mean that it's, it's pre ham radio.

Brandon  06:28

Oh, oh, sorry, the power of yet, right? Yes, got him. No, I stepped

Collin Funkhouser  06:34

outside because I had to go to the workbench to fix this thing, and all of a sudden I was just like, Ow. What is Ow? What is that tiny like? Great rapidity being pelted as I managed to sprint out to the barn and get it fixed. But yes, now we are settled in for our long springtime rain this week, so I have my boat ready, and I think, nice.

Brandon  07:04

Yes, nice. Got your galoshes? All galosed galost, yeah, right, yeah. Waxed jacket, waxed, yeah?

Collin Funkhouser  07:14

Ah, yes. That's what I you know, I used to have a wax. You did?

Brandon  07:18

Used to have one. That's why I said that. I just remember that just right now, because that's how I am, you know. Why not?

Collin Funkhouser  07:27

Why not? I don't have that anymore, but I should find that. But yep, so we made it back from Tejas. Yes, live

Brandon  07:37

this is good,

Collin Funkhouser  07:40

knowing that, shooting literally, just, yeah, like a block from where we were. So, holy

Brandon  07:46

cow, yeah, I was gonna want, I was, I don't know what day you actually came back, but Susan was like, is he still there? And it's like, I

Collin Funkhouser  07:54

don't think so. We came back on Monday, so it was all days after that. But yeah, I was just like, Huh? Well, that's, that's fun, but there were, there were so many protesters all over downtown. I didn't talk about this last time when I was there alcove, but yes, someone could have heard like family again. I did not get a vacation. I worked the whole time, which is fine. I just have to remind people this. But they're like, Oh man, you must have enjoyed your time in Texas. And I'm like,

Brandon  08:25

I did not. I was hosting, all the hosting, all the surprise things, surprise hosting.

Collin Funkhouser  08:30

Yes, all this, all the time, so, but the family, like, they drove around, they saw stuff, they did tour of the Capitol and all that stuff, which was really cool. But there were so many protesters there for Iran and then, like, from our hotel in downtown, one night for two hours, we heard the Palestine Israel protesters out on the streets marching around. And I just like, this is fun. This is cool.

Brandon  09:03

Good place for a dog conference, really.

Collin Funkhouser  09:10

So it was good, no, we really enjoyed it. It was very cool way of the future. I had forgotten. I always forget, what a tech hub Austin is.

Brandon  09:25

Yeah, think about it. Really also more lucky. In that regard,

Collin Funkhouser  09:31

it has the tallest building in Texas, which is also, I wasn't expecting that. I forget the name

Brandon  09:38

that is also that isn't I figured Houston for sure? Well, no, if it be in Houston would have been blown over a long time ago, yeah, but, like, every hurricane just obviously, like, what? What is it?

Collin Funkhouser  09:49

It's called the water line, and it's like, it's just offices, okay,

Brandon  09:55

I don't know if it's like a tower thing or like a building, right? Because, like, the tallest building in Estonia is the old Soviet TV tower.

Collin Funkhouser  10:09

No, I will.

Brandon  10:10

So, like, I didn't know if it was, like, No,

Collin Funkhouser  10:13

it was not a Soviet it's not a Cold War era piece of equipment. That's unfortunate. But in this. Send you this. This, it's called the water line, and it's tallest. And so we were really, is

Brandon  10:27

it ugly? It's

Collin Funkhouser  10:29

it's not a conventional thing. It looks like a basket on a basket, is how I'm going to describe this.

Brandon  10:37

I was not prepared for that description.

Collin Funkhouser  10:42

Oh, let me know when you get this. Ah, see it kind of the lattice work on the top one, like the lines of the windows and sight lines on the top portion do not match the button. Oh, I don't like this, see, but I don't

Brandon  11:01

like it because of that. I don't like it because it's just ugly.

Collin Funkhouser  11:05

Well, right? Like it's not a pleasant

Brandon  11:10

I would also protest this. I would protest So, right, like this, yeah, yeah. It's, what a weird building to be the tallest building in Texas. I know, out of all the buildings,

Collin Funkhouser  11:28

and it's not, like, super huge, it's brand it's also brand new, like, it's less than a year

Brandon  11:34

this that you This is very new. Look at this architecture right here. What even, I don't even know, yeah, yeah. Also, I'm just my former job training is taking over, and I'm looking at these windows and these curtain wall designs, going, oh my gosh, how paint?

Collin Funkhouser  11:57

It's not a good looking building. It's got too many sections in it

Brandon  12:03

and and they're also not like, I know that it doesn't look like it's squared,

Collin Funkhouser  12:11

oh, it's not right.

Brandon  12:12

The bottom part is like, all wonky looking.

Collin Funkhouser  12:15

You can Yes, the there's, no, it's not like a column each certain floors.

Brandon  12:23

See this from this angle, it looks better.

Collin Funkhouser  12:25

I don't know what that I

Brandon  12:28

think this angle looks better than the other angle.

Collin Funkhouser  12:30

You can see the different hashing marks there. Yeah, how? Like they're just proportionately different, like the top are larger windows and larger sight lines than the lower half, which gives it an interesting proportion when you're looking at on the skyline, like the things that are further away. Anyway, it's this is just an odd building, I think. But anyway, so this was we could see this from our hotel.

Brandon  13:03

I like that. It's on Lady Bird Lake. Little Johnson. Shout out here. Look at there. We learned who was expecting Lyndon B Johnson to show up in this podcast episode. Not me much

Collin Funkhouser  13:17

like the Inquisition, yeah.

Brandon  13:19

Never expect.

Collin Funkhouser  13:22

Never expecting the LBJ, yes. Also learned that that lake is only 40 feet deep, and dang due to the large amount of rebar, it is illegal to swim in that lake. There's a lot

Brandon  13:38

of rebar in the lake. Is it supposed to be there, or did it accidentally get put in to it

Collin Funkhouser  13:45

was placed in the lake? Okay?

Brandon  13:49

It fell off the water line, right?

Collin Funkhouser  13:53

No, like Miss Lady Bird herself, apparently, was the one that like pushed to get people to not swim in it, because it was a big dumping ground for a lot of that kind of thing. Okay? And so people were getting caught and impaled on all of the rebar in the lake. That's, that's, you know, neat to say the

Brandon  14:16

least is a thing, residential, office and hotel, 110, it is very cyberpunky, right? Not saying this is like, the same architecture as some of those cyberbug Mega buildings. But also, I'm not, not saying,

Collin Funkhouser  14:40

yeah, it's kind of like that first one. It's definitely like the first that appears in the skyline, and then slowly everything else just starts to look like this is, yeah, I it was, was neat to see our was not nearly as tall, obviously, but we had,

Brandon  15:00

yeah, yeah, but

Collin Funkhouser  15:02

I, again, it's all this big tech money coming in, with people moving their headquarters. And the other thing that really freaked me out, and we didn't get to ride in one, but I really wanted to, and I should have, just like, dedicated an hour for my task, was I really wanted to drive a ride in a driverless Waymo car, because they were ever they were sprayed. They were swarming. They swarmed. I had to walk my little walk from where we our hotel to the library, was like 10 minutes. And I would make that walk at 740 in the morning, and they would just pour into the city. They were pouring in from the outskirts. Nobody in the driver's seat is just these things going moving to get in position for the later rush people needing to get it was, it was pretty otherworldly. That's what I'm going to say. And you know, people, they pull up, you can request it from the rideshare apps or whatever, and they pull up and I'm like, it's one thing. Like, if somebody, if there's a driver in a car, and you get a rideshare app, or you get the taxi, like, you're supposed to sit in the backseat, it's one thing. If you're like, Yeah, I'm gonna sit in the in the passenger seat, front passenger seat, with the driver there. That's that communicates, one thing to me, if you do that with a driverless car, that has a whole other level of I would, I would be so unnerved being that close to a steering wheel that was moving.

Brandon  16:36

That's true. I

Collin Funkhouser  16:37

don't know about this. I mean,

Brandon  16:38

yeah, do you still just sit? Do you still sit in the back? Like, where are you supposed to be?

Collin Funkhouser  16:43

It's probably more socially welcoming to sit in the front past your seat now, because you're not having to sit next to a person and feel awkward, yeah?

Brandon  16:51

But like you're still being driven around. You're still Miss Daisy. So how do you Yeah, you want do you? Did you still sit in the back like,

Collin Funkhouser  17:05

I don't know. See, how do you

Brandon  17:06

just in case it crashes like the back might be safe.

Collin Funkhouser  17:11

Maybe just hedge your bets. I don't know here that's for sure. So that was, that was fun, but I would be remiss also if I didn't read, I didn't give the listeners at least a little bit of a car review.

Brandon  17:32

Oh, right. Collins rental car review corner.

Collin Funkhouser  17:34

Collins rental car review corner. Wow, no, we haven't, because I haven't had to drive places fair a while. I did have to rent one car last year, but I was in it so little I think it was in it all of like 45 minutes, yeah. But anyway, this time, I drove 1600 miles or whatever, in Chrysler, Pacifica, now,

Brandon  18:02

hey, hey, hey, you have some history with the Chrysler Pacifica, weirdly,

Collin Funkhouser  18:08

oh, oh, what? What do I know?

Brandon  18:10

Yes, yeah, I do. I think that's what we one of the trips, one, some, some, some thing, something, something that we drove in a vacation as a youth. One of the things we drove, we drove into Chrysler, Pacifica one time, like older one,

Collin Funkhouser  18:25

wait a minute, yeah. Wait a minute, yeah.

Brandon  18:30

Oh no, yeah. Is this maybe, like Montana thing?

Collin Funkhouser  18:34

Um, okay, no, no, that's a Chrysler. Oh no, because this, this, that was the weird, oh no. It wasn't a Pacific

Brandon  18:41

No, because it was a van thing. It

Collin Funkhouser  18:43

was a van, yeah, Van thing, but not the Pacifica.

Brandon  18:47

I think you're wrong. No, yes,

Collin Funkhouser  18:50

well, I will find this.

Brandon  18:52

I think, think, I think I am correct here.

Collin Funkhouser  18:56

But I thought it was like, it was like, squatter or something,

Brandon  18:59

yes, because cars never undergo design changes in 20 years. Ever Wait?

Collin Funkhouser  19:05

Oh no, you're right. I know I'm right. Oh no,

Brandon  19:11

yeah, I feel about that.

Collin Funkhouser  19:12

This was this monstrosity. Oh my gosh, yeah, I'd forgotten this. I'm sending this over. It was. It started out in life as the Chrysler Pacifica crossover. Oh yeah, my gosh, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,

Brandon  19:31

that's the trip, whatever trip that was, I think that might have been Aaron Montana it was. That is, that is, though nobody remembered to bring music, and all we had was Michael Jackson and some sort of country and western thing that we got at a gas station

Collin Funkhouser  19:45

riders in Yes,

Brandon  19:47

yes, like Western swings, greatest hits from a gas station in Wyoming. Oh, yeah. And like a Michael Jackson CD somehow.

Collin Funkhouser  20:01

Wow. This is so what

Brandon  20:03

that was either about. That was either Montana, I think it was Montana,

Collin Funkhouser  20:06

Montana, yeah. Anyway, sorry, yeah. What about

Brandon  20:10

the Collin update us on the Pacific

Collin Funkhouser  20:12

Okay, well, first things, the modern Pacifica is a true minivan with the sliding doors the 2008 2010 version, or whatever this is. Yeah. I think

Brandon  20:23

it was older than that, but it's fine,

Collin Funkhouser  20:25

no, but this thing was only produced from 2004 to 2008 Yeah.

Brandon  20:29

So it would have been closer to the 2004 though I'm saying

Collin Funkhouser  20:32

yes, yes. So the 2004 version just had four normal doors. It was not a minivan. It was they there was a big crossover thing. They then added the name to the Pacifica, to an actual minivan, and rest facelift, everything. This is so weird my brain, you were

Brandon  21:00

prepared for me to remember that key piece of historical information.

Collin Funkhouser  21:05

No, I was not. Yeah, yeah. It's so weird that it became the true minivan,

Brandon  21:12

apparently, apparently, the Funkhouser rental car of choice, Chrysler, Pacifica, is what I've learned.

Collin Funkhouser  21:17

Yes, yes, absolutely it is. So we got this because we wanted

Brandon  21:26

a sliding doors,

Collin Funkhouser  21:27

sliding doors, obviously, because it's that's cool. And b i just wanted, we wanted a lot of room, and I have to worry about cramming and, you know, being able to move around and I can fully push back. And also a weird thing. If you don't want to rent a car with a credit card, the largest vehicle you can rent with a debit card is a minivan.

Brandon  21:55

Oh, I've learned this. That is a weird delineation line. Like, I wouldn't think that the cost between minivan and Van would be that that great, right? Didn't think the discrepancy would be large enough to warrant that. Yeah, but

Collin Funkhouser  22:17

if you wanted to do like an SUV, yeah, you can't do that with a with it with a debit card. You have to do it with a credit card. So, very interesting.

Brandon  22:30

That is very interesting. So I've only ever went to the cars, so I've never had to worry about this.

Collin Funkhouser  22:38

I we did this. Now, the last one that I drove, and I'm actually gonna put in this history of the Pacifica,

Brandon  22:47

a dissertation by the oh brother podcast.

Collin Funkhouser  22:53

Yeah, here, this is from the Miami

Brandon  22:55

Collin you've met, you've been in every iteration of the Chrysler Pacifica, almost. I bet look at that actually, or fun fact that we probably were unaware of, because I think we rented another one a different time.

Collin Funkhouser  23:08

Also, I was just about to say that I think many years ago, many years ago, we actually rented another Kaiser. And so what's weird is in the history the the minivan used to the Chrysler minivan used to be called the town and country that used to be their name for that, and they actually brought back the Pacifica name in like, 2016 so it's not even like, I mean, we're coming up on 10 years, a decade of it around, which is why has so much mind share in mind of like, oh, the Pacific has always been around, but it hasn't. So this is why my brain is a little used

Brandon  23:44

to be in different thing. It used

Collin Funkhouser  23:46

to be something completely different and more horrid looking, is what I'll say, the

Brandon  23:50

original, I think also because there was Chrysler had the Vinny the instead, Chrysler was using the Plymouth name for they had Plymouth minivans, right? I think, I think this may have been a situation like, prior to 2008 right? When it was the car market collapsed, and the big recession. Thing happened is a bunch of like, they stopped, really consolidated, and they realized, hey, we don't need to make 50 of the same car under different names, General Motors. What are you doing? But I think they shut down the Plymouth thing. But Plymouth had minivans and other stuff, so they were like, making that stuff, but it was under the Plymouth umbrella.

Collin Funkhouser  24:35

Yes, because

Brandon  24:37

we knew somebody that had a Plymouth meet,

Collin Funkhouser  24:39

yes, I just sent you a picture of the Plymouth. This was the Plymouth Voyager. Yes, Plymouth, that's Voyager, yeah. So I just sent you this. This picture in my brain. This is a Chrysler Pacifica from the 1990s which obviously makes a lot of sense, because they were made by Chrysler pacificus. I mean, it was, it's, it's fine.

Brandon  25:05

It was under the umbrella, yes, yes, yes. Just like I remember

Collin Funkhouser  25:11

weird lozenge shaped, bulbous thing, yeah.

Brandon  25:14

But all things were lozenge shaped in the night. Every van looked like that.

Collin Funkhouser  25:18

But, man, you know what? There was a day. I'm gonna send you another picture. There was a day where these, this the second gin just disappeared off the road.

Brandon  25:28

Do you remember that is true. I remember these things too. I definitely knew somebody that had this like, you know,

Collin Funkhouser  25:39

man, that was a those just disappeared. It was just

Brandon  25:43

No, yeah, that needs to be the show art, by the way.

Collin Funkhouser  25:46

Just Okay, so the

Brandon  25:49

long lost van, right?

Collin Funkhouser  25:52

Oh, man, the second gen Chrysler, Voyager, yeah, I Yes, I have, this is like

Brandon  25:58

beautiful squareness, right?

Collin Funkhouser  25:59

So nice. Also sliding doors, and then, and then Plymouth made the Voyager, and it made it that other one that I sent you. But then that morphed later into the Chrysler Voyager, and then Chrysler Pacifica after that. So that's what's so, yeah, Voyager died, Pacifica came on with the weird crossover thing. And then they

Brandon  26:21

crossovers were all the rage in 2004 Yeah, that was the thing. The word crossover was ubiquitous in vehicle marketing, right? Everybody thought that you needed that instead, right? And then the like, they just decided the word SUV was just more useful, and the word crossover died, and it has not been heard until today. Right now, in this podcast resurrect word crossover.

Collin Funkhouser  26:50

There's gonna be a spike in the Google word analytics that, yeah,

Brandon  26:53

they'll be like, what happened?

Collin Funkhouser  26:55

Well, what is happening is this, is this the rebirth that all the General Motors and everybody's waiting for as a thing.

Brandon  27:01

Well, no GM has a crossover commercial in for next year's brand. We'll know we were on the cutting edge here. Demand royalties. Just kidding, but yeah.

Collin Funkhouser  27:11

Anyway, so I the last one we rented was a Chrysler Pacifica hybrid. And that thing was like an absolute spaceship, like there was so much tech in that thing. And it was wonderful. And I actually really enjoyed writing it. This one was the base model the Chrysler Pacifica select, which I love when companies try and make even the base model sound like somewhat nice and fancy, right?

Brandon  27:45

There's no I am going to go out. Here's my hot take of the day. There's no such thing as a base model anymore, because every base model is like, what in like 1998 would have been like the second or third tier, right?

Collin Funkhouser  28:03

Yes, this is the, I don't know if you want to call it trim model inflation, or trim level, or whatever.

Brandon  28:10

Well, yeah, they cut away the bottom because then they nobody. Because if you offer the cheapest option, people are going to buy that and they want more money on the bottom line. So they're going to discontinue the cheapest option and only give you the thing so it is based model inflation, right? It is there they convince you you don't need, oh, you need all this stuff. You're like, well, I don't need that actually, but you can't buy one without it. Boom, nope, even then, which is why our father rebuilt a random truck that crashed instead of buying a new truck because it had too much stuff in it? Exactly.

Collin Funkhouser  28:44

This is yes, because there's too much. And even when you do want the current base model, which is the aforementioned highest trend from five years ago, they don't have any of those on the lot.

Brandon  29:00

Well, no, and

Collin Funkhouser  29:02

so what actually ends up happening is the base model will have a higher price because of the delivery and extra charges to get it to you than if you just buy a higher trim that's on the lot.

Brandon  29:17

Is that, because they've just given all the base models to the rental car companies.

Collin Funkhouser  29:21

I mean, that is also true, is that what happened the

Brandon  29:25

rental car companies are buying all the base models, yes.

Collin Funkhouser  29:30

Also they don't want to sell these things. They don't want to sell this to you. They want you to buy the grand, the higher margin,

Brandon  29:37

right? Yeah.

Collin Funkhouser  29:38

So they make it hard. But this is the Select and they added some of the additional features, like all, all of the driver safety, lane assist auto things buzzing, things are going to be turned on. And all of my review boils down to this, I drive, we own a 2014 Jeep Cherokee. I was immediately familiar with all of the controls in the 2025 Chrysler Pacific.

Brandon  30:15

I mean, it is the same brand family, right? Jeep is trying really hard to make you think that they're like a separate entity. But, yeah, no, with all the weird duck nonsense and the just random, cleanest Jeeps in the world thing, but it's just a Chrysler, it's just a crisis.

Collin Funkhouser  30:38

And it's like, I know it's Dodge Jeep. You know Dodge Jeep, all those, I know that they're part of all that it is whatever. But like you sit in here. I'm sitting in 2014 Jeep Cherokee. I'm holding the steering wheel. All of the buttons are the exact same. Oh yeah, of course. Every but all of the volume knobs exact same, the window knobs, the window buttons, all the everything, every touch point and surface on this I went, I immediately know where I am. Part of it is going. Yes, these are the same. But I need to remind you, there is a, there's over a 10 year, decade, a decade. Separating these two vehicles, they are, they're really getting their money's worth out of these really, really, I don't know how many extra knobs and buttons and what bits of plastic they have. I have no idea, but they are just, they're going to use those until

Brandon  31:44

the dies are holding up. We don't need to redesign. They're not wearing out.

Collin Funkhouser  31:49

They've done it. Guys, Chrysler, Dodge Jeep has found the perfect window.

Brandon  31:56

The dye machine is working good. You know? They don't excellent

Collin Funkhouser  31:59

to change this. I was just immediately shocked, like, what, how, what? How is it possible? So it just, and that was just running through my head the entire trip as I took me touching buttons to move something or to increase speed on this, or whatever, you know, just like everything, is it the exact same

Brandon  32:26

unnerving that is pretty funny.

Collin Funkhouser  32:30

So all that to say is, if you would like the same experience of driving a 2025, Chrysler Pacifica, I can save you probably about 20 grand, and I'll sell you my Jeep Cherokee and, oh, there you go. Got him. Oh, and don't get me started on, have you seen this is the last thing I'll talk about. And then we need to get started with our book. Have you have you seen the push for the rugged minivans?

Brandon  33:02

Have you seen these? No, no, Christ.

Collin Funkhouser  33:08

They're released this. It's called,

Brandon  33:10

is this, like, six years after hashtag van life peak. We're like, Guys, look at this. Yeah.

Collin Funkhouser  33:16

It's called the Grizzly Peak. So Chrysler, I

Brandon  33:20

hate that name so much,

Collin Funkhouser  33:21

Grizzly Pete. They

Brandon  33:22

can't be selling these. Like, who's buying this?

Collin Funkhouser  33:26

This is, it's an over landing version of the Pacifica. Now, yeah. Now, this is, what a sentence.

Collin Funkhouser  33:38

Yo. Oh, yes. Now this

Brandon  33:43

is Harry Dakar. Watch out.

Collin Funkhouser  33:46

This is so great. This is still, this is what they released as, like a did

Brandon  33:51

they put rails on the roof for this picture? Are you meaning to tell me that this thing? You want me to believe that this people will need sand rails if they are driving in this

Collin Funkhouser  34:03

thing over landing version, because people, this is what people have been clamoring for. You don't know a lifted ride, because it's got all wheel drive. It's got all wheel drive.

Brandon  34:16

Brandon. Wow, neat.

Collin Funkhouser  34:18

And this is the newest this is what they are wanting to come out within the next year. Is this what their their concept here imagine a Chrysler minivan lifted by three inches with like way more horsepower and off road suspension.

Brandon  34:39

Here's what I need. Here's what, I don't think car executives understand, people that are off road enthusiasts and people that are potential overland drivers. They do not want to drive from the showroom floor to the desert that's like, not the allure, right? It is the wrenching that is a big part of the the allure of this, which is why people that actually go, like, off roading. Like, it will be in like, a 1987 Chevy Dremel, right? Like, that's what it's gonna be. Because it's not about the oh, it has these things stock. It's about the hey, look what I did this thing, right? It is the car mod community, right? That is the big push behind that, not like in a lot of those communities, like, if you show up in that people will, like, laugh at you and not talk to you. Like, that's how it works. Like, no one's gonna be like, Oh, wow, look, you bought a thing and then came here. That's, like, Poser material, right? Like, yes, they don't like that.

Collin Funkhouser  36:07

No, no. So

Brandon  36:10

people might buy it for Instagram, but, like, the real homies are not driving. Nope, they don't want it because they want to do they want they have, like, very hyper specific things that they want, and they're going to put it on there. Yes, right? Like, so you just need to, like, I don't understand what part of the market is going to go for this. Like, who's gonna buy this?

Collin Funkhouser  36:41

No, unfortunately, I think a lot of people, because there's just been this overall trend to have more ruggedized, or ruggedized or or off road, capable everything, everything.

Brandon  36:55

Yeah, but no, he drives it off road. I know, which is the thing that annoys me about the humble Jeep, Rav

Collin Funkhouser  37:02

for the rav4 not a capable or off road machine. Why? Why in the world? Can you upgrade? Can you get it to, like this insane, like off road, like wilderness. What is it called? It's wilderness package, whatever

Brandon  37:22

probably got, like a wheelchair or something on it, probably

Collin Funkhouser  37:24

thing or whatever. Yeah, what are we doing here? People? You know, it's and you see it even with previously off road capable stuff like Subaru, Subaru is making their stuff even more outlandish and wilder and like, super, Uber duber, non road tech kind of marketing I'm going

Brandon  37:49

because they know the United States government is not going to maintain The roads. Is that?

Collin Funkhouser  37:56

I mean? Is that

Brandon  38:00

why I probably, like, this is a thing that annoys me about, like, the Jeep duck thing, right? Like, these are the cleanest vehicles I've ever seen in my life. Like, right? There is not a speck of dirt upon them, and you, like, are wanting me to believe that you drive off road. I don't believe you No at all. Like people that drive off people that go off roading, like, for real, like, don't wash their cars, because they want you to know what they were doing, right? They're like me and not washing that out, right? I'm proud of this, right? I'm proud of this. I got stuck in a bunch of mud, and I climbed my way out of it. I'm leaving that mud on my car, yes, right? So when you see like pristine, like the entire shine has been applied, right? What are you doing? What are you doing? Right? I don't like to throw away on the word poser very often, but this is poser behavior, like, for sure, like, this is the definition of poser, right? You are posing with your car. That's what it is, right? Like, in original skateboarding parlance, a poser is somebody that stands and holds the skateboard. That's a poser. You literally pose, right? That's what this is. This is poser behavior, and I disprove this message, right? I disavow these people.

Collin Funkhouser  39:48

Yep, because they're not actually using it, they're just driving it around.

Brandon  39:51

And they still can't park. Now they have more now

Collin Funkhouser  39:54

they don't have to worry about parking because they can just, you know, go over things. No, they'll

Brandon  39:59

park even worse. That's what's gonna happen. Worst, parking at the grocery store parking lot. That's what you can expect now. Hurray.

Collin Funkhouser  40:10

Good grief and gravy. Oh, maybe, maybe next time I'll have the Grizzly Peak.

Brandon  40:18

Oh, maybe, if your dog conference is in Montana, Hey, there we go.

Collin Funkhouser  40:25

Absolutely, yeah,

Brandon  40:27

well, I festivaled briefly this week. I went to, I went. I returned rather. I returned for the 78 chin National Day Festival. Oh, nice, boom. So I went to that, and we did not stay as long this time. We did not stay for 20 hours of wrestling tournament. We did not stay for that. But, but, yeah, yeah, okay, I already had to stay in the gym bleachers for a couple hours. And I was like, Yeah, I'm good. Now. We saw the, like, speeches and fashion show things and some dancing. It was very cool. It was very fun, very exciting. Had some food, right? One of this, one of the students, was there, and she was like, my mom wants to buy you food. You have to come with me right now. I was like, Well, okay, okay, twisting my arm. So that's cool. That's what we did this week, really. It was last weekend, I guess. So, yeah, there you go. That's all I have. Oh, I do have a requested segment for you. Collin, oh, I've been pressured to include this as an official segment on the show. It might even be returning segment. We don't know. But are you ready for things that I heard in sixth grade, right?

Collin Funkhouser  42:05

Who, who could have possibly pressured this? It's a mystery.

Brandon  42:10

This is where. Here's what we do. I'm going to just read you a sentence with no context, okay, and then I will explain afterwards. I feel like that's the best way to do this. Okay?

Collin Funkhouser  42:21

I love this. Yeah, this is no, this is absolutely perfect. This is exactly,

Brandon  42:25

this is one. Let's do one here, right, okay, the favorite one for last several weeks is, why are there so many birds in my name? I

Collin Funkhouser  42:40

Ah, yes, okay, yep, brilliant, as I expected.

Brandon  42:49

There you go. See this is you never know what's gonna happen. But we were writing, we were talking, we were doing stuff with, like, Egyptian hieroglyphics, right? And so we were doing the old classic, can you try to write your name using the sounds from the Egyptian hieroglyphics, right? And so, like, they were so they're trying to write their names and whatever letter it is, was like, This person has a lot of that letter in their name, and they were getting extremely frustrated, because it's either, like a little circle, a crook, a little feather thing, or, like a lion or a bird, like a full on bird, yeah. So they were like, ah, because somebody was like, I'm done. And they have, like, a very short name with none of those letters in it. Sure. They're just like, Why does my name have so many birds just loudly shouted across the class. Excellent. Reoccurring segment of I heard it in sixth grade. They go bang.

Collin Funkhouser  43:59

I heard it in sixth grade. I love this.

Brandon  44:04

I'm gonna keep my ears open see if there's any more gems. Oh, I'm like this.

Collin Funkhouser  44:09

Unfortunately, I'm sure that you will find some. That's true,

Brandon  44:13

that's true. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. We'll see how Oh, anyway,

Collin Funkhouser  44:20

no, what other unfortunate things are befalling?

Brandon  44:24

Oh, my days, people, oh, my gosh,

Collin Funkhouser  44:28

man, Pip here, in quite, quite a chapter we have.

Brandon  44:33

This is a yeah, oh, again, again, with the somehow, the way that we have, like, accidentally structured our reading for this. It seems like we always get like this. This time we had a game, we had one way too long chapter, oh, one like in the middle chapter, and then, like a holy cow, what? Yeah. And again. So we've accidentally had a lot of once again, capture the formula of way too long, short and kind of not memorable, and oh, dear Lord, a

Collin Funkhouser  45:16

bombshell has been dropped. Quite the bombshell. But we will get there, because we have to first get through

Brandon  45:23

this log, right? His chapter four,

Collin Funkhouser  45:26

my goodness,

Brandon  45:28

oh, yes, oh, so we're gonna not a lot happens in this one. We get some, like, if we kind of go through this one, like, a little,

Collin Funkhouser  45:39

I mean, right? However, basically, this is, this is Pip frets, okay, yes, we can move,

Brandon  45:47

yeah, pretty much. However, we do get an excellent sentence in this chapter right at the beginning, when he's talking about the where'd he go when he's talking about the neighbors,

Collin Funkhouser  46:06

oh, my goodness.

Brandon  46:11

And he's like, Wait, is that this chapter? I can't even remember now, surely it is. Or is that 41 No, it's this one. Yeah. When he's like

Collin Funkhouser  46:21

he said, Oh no, he said, but I was looked after by an inflammatory old female assisted by an animated rag. Yeah,

Brandon  46:32

right, yes. They both had weak eyes, which I had long attributed to their chronically looking at keyholes, and they were always at hand when not wanted. Indeed, that was their only reliable quality besides larceny. I love,

Collin Funkhouser  46:47

I love, I love that so much that made me i It's there the way he could describe like you immediately know everything you need to know about these people and how PIP proceeds like that was so succinctly and clearly done.

Brandon  47:07

So great. So, yeah, that was excellent. Anyway, we're fretting about the the fact that we now have this man here, but we're also we are. We do have a mystery, right? We are fretting about the mystery man, right? Oh, because, right? Because, as he like, he decides that he like is he just like, decides that he's gonna go down and talk to the watchmen for whatever reason. And he like trips over somebody in the stairs, right in the staircase, and then, like, he's like, Hey, what are you doing here? And the person doesn't say anything. And so he runs down to get the watchman and they he's not there anymore. He's like, What do you what's going on? And the watchman guys like, oh, I don't know. That's pretty weird. Hey, did that guy that was looking for you find you? He's like, Oh, yeah, you get my uncle? He's like, Yeah. And what about the guy with your uncle? And he's like, the what? Yes, that

Collin Funkhouser  48:09

was great. So go, yeah, the other one, I'm

Brandon  48:11

sorry, huh? So we have, we have this mystery person about, right, who's sleeping in the stairs, you know, like you do, and may or may not have come following.

Collin Funkhouser  48:29

Well, at this moment, we don't know whether it was followed or whether it was with, yes, it's mysterious. That is the mystery of mysteries that we will soon yeah,

Brandon  48:41

and he does, at some point ask him, and he's like, Nah, I was by myself. We talking about so, right? But we, we have to go. And he goes, and he's, he's gonna go buy him some clothes, and big dudes, like, got some really bizarre ideas about how to disguise himself. Like, he becomes obsessed with the idea of shorts for some reason as a good disguise, because

Collin Funkhouser  49:12

otherwise other like, he also has some idea of him being halfway between what, like a clergy and a magistrate. He's like, Yeah. What if you're like a wealthy farmer,

Brandon  49:21

yeah, what if we go more low key? What if we don't wear weird things that draw more attention to ourselves? Yes, what if we don't do that? But he

Collin Funkhouser  49:28

was obsessed with having powder as well. Like, he just had to have powder.

Brandon  49:32

That's fair. That's fair. The shorts was a weird turn I was not expecting. No, um, right?

Collin Funkhouser  49:39

We do learn his name, Magwitch,

Brandon  49:42

yes, right? Which? He's given the name of pavis or povis or whatever to the ship. And so he want, he's because he's gonna go with that name, right? He's gonna go that name. It's fine, right? Provis, excuse me, but yeah. And so we get, yeah, this chapter is just a lot of Freddy. We go and we get the clothes come back.

Collin Funkhouser  50:09

We also, we also get,

Brandon  50:12

oh, he, yeah, he does go see Mr. Jaggers. Is that this chapter?

Collin Funkhouser  50:16

Wait, no, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay, well, I was gonna say he. This is also where PIP is. I think this is where he's describing, well, povis Province, here, Abel, whatever he's he's now wanting to spend a bunch of money and, like, really live it up, because he's talking like horses and boots and like a pad off a park and

Brandon  50:40

like, Pip was like, no.

Collin Funkhouser  50:43

He's like, no, no, we're not doing that

Brandon  50:46

low key, right? Look, because he's like, are you, aren't you still wanted? He's like, Well, yeah. And he's like, Well, then we can't just be like, super ostentatious and like, drawing attention to ourselves, right? Okay, that's another thing that we can do,

Collin Funkhouser  51:02

like, because also, Pip remarks several times about how Abels mannerisms and, yeah, like, like, you can just tell PIP describes how how he sits, how he stands, how he moves, how he eats, how he holds his pipe, how

Brandon  51:21

he doesn't like how he eats. He like, can't watch him. Does

Collin Funkhouser  51:23

not like how he eats, but everything, like, just to pip screams, wanted man and like, like, just like, uncouth and uncivilized and just rough.

Brandon  51:34

Well, yeah, I mean, if he's gonna try to but again, Pip knows about like, I think this is like, even more than like, because PIP knows about like, life in the country like this is like beyond that, right? This guy is so like, animalistic with what he does, that's like crazy, right? So, yeah, we find out that he's been away. I just misinterpreted last thought last time. I think I said that he was in the States, right? He was Australia's been, right? He's been in Australia. Which makes more sense with the sheep herding thing. I don't want to put that together, right? So he's been in Australia, doing Australia, any things. So, been Australian sheep for me. And this becomes important in a minute, because he does. When he goes out to the thing, he goes and he drops by to talk to Mr. Jaggers, right? And he's like, hey, oh, I need to talk to you about a thing. And he's like, yes. And he's like, I have been told

Collin Funkhouser  52:43

I love this because, because he says, Pip is like, Pip comes in, and PIP and jiggers can immediately tell something,

Brandon  52:54

like, something's up. First thing.

Collin Funkhouser  52:56

First thing he says is, now Pip, be careful. Yes. And then he says, Don't commit yourself. And don't commit anyone. You understand anyone? Don't tell me anything. Yeah, don't want to

Brandon  53:09

know anything. Yeah, I don't need to know because he's like, I was told. He's like, do you mean told, or do you mean informed? And he's like, Pip stops and goes, I have been informed. And he's like, Oh yes, good, okay, tell me more.

Brandon  53:29

Oh, and he's like, he hasn't I have been informed that this person is my long, mysterious benefactor. Is that true? And he's like, yes, okay. And then he goes, by the way, I am not so unreasonable, sir as to think you at all responsible for my mistake and wrong conclusions. But I have always supposed it was Miss Havisham and Jaggers is like, you are correct. That is no fault, but your own.

Collin Funkhouser  53:59

I am not at all responsible Yes.

Brandon  54:02

Oh, and he was like, all right. He was like, I don't need to say anymore. I have verified my information. I'm good. But you know, Jagger's response is, and this Magwitch, who is in New South Wales, oh, yes, have every time he talks to me, he's like Mr. Magwitch, who is currently in New South Wales, has disclosed himself. You will comprehend. Make sure that you tell him by means of communication, how much I followed every single direction I was given and never once deviated at all yes.

Collin Funkhouser  54:42

And even then, he's like, Oh, but you heard this from Provost, right? I got a letter for like, so yeah, even now treating these as two different people. Yeah, fantastic. What's being done here?

Brandon  54:53

Well, he's Yeah, because we make told the Provis guy, and he was like, oh yes. And it was by this Provis that you have been communicated to about Mr. Magwitch in New South Wales. He's like, yes. He's like, good. That's fine,

Collin Funkhouser  55:08

yes, fantastic.

Brandon  55:13

It's just like, Okay, bye,

Collin Funkhouser  55:15

good day. Pip. And he just jiggers like, he says, he ends. He says, Good day. Hands him his, you know, offers his hand. This is done. We shook hands. And he like, when we're down, and it's like, okay, business transaction done,

Brandon  55:32

yeah, because I believe now this is, like, the relationship between Jaggers and PIP is now done, right? Because he was only supposed to be acting as an intermediary until such time as it was disclosed who the Benefactor was. And so Jaggers are saying, All right, our relationship is now over. Here's all the remaining paperwork I have. Make sure this is for you. Make sure to tell him I did all the things. Tell him that you have this remaining the remaining balance is to be transferred to you completely, like, what? Bang like, way out over so, yeah,

Collin Funkhouser  56:15

and yeah, and then he's okay, well, we have that answer at least,

Brandon  56:21

yeah, yeah. So we have that, and that's pretty much this chapter. We're just now. We're just sort of waiting until Herbie can come home. Yeah, right, that's what we're waiting for. We're waiting for the return of Herbert. Like he's, he's just kind of, it's like five days, right? He says it feels like it's been forever, but it's like not even a week that he's waiting for Herbert to show up. Like he's trying to be with this guy. They don't go anywhere. They walk around at nighttime, right? They go out for like, an evening stroll because it's dark and you can be

Collin Funkhouser  56:59

like he doesn't want to be seen. Oh, yeah. And there's just like, this is the part where he's describing being around,

Brandon  57:08

like, all his militarisms and the way that he eats and he like stabs things randomly with his knife.

Collin Funkhouser  57:12

Like, yeah, as soon as he sits down, he opens his pocket knife, like, this is just a sit down pocket knife out. Or just like everything in him is trying to try to repress everything that would be desirable to repress. I can't repress. I can't keep this in behind him enough. It's just like a blazing ground on his head that this is who he is, and I can't do anything to hide him. Yeah? So, yeah, taking out at night, and it's just and he's getting so it's grading at him how Yeah, provost is, and how just anxious PIP is to be able to do something with this. He also

Brandon  57:51

talks about this book that he has, right? Yeah, it's like, a little weird, because when Herbie does show up. He like, whips it out, right? And this is some sort of, like, we don't really know what it's for, right? It seems. He describes it as it looks as if it has been stolen from a courtroom at some point, but like, it's just like a black book. And he makes people, like, swear on it, right? This is how he judges the measure of a person. Like he makes them swear on the book, right? And like when Herbie does show up, and he's like, Hey, I'm so glad I'm here. And he's like, what is happening? Because he's like, you've been because, you know how Herbert just talks, right? He's like, Oh, he just sort of blows in. And he's like, Oh, hello. And he's like, but you seem to have gone quite thin. It seems I've been gone 12 months. And he's then he stops and looks, he's like, Oh, I beg your pardon.

Collin Funkhouser  58:59

Hello, I beg your pardon.

Brandon  59:00

Oh yeah, because he he notices Provost standing behind him, and he's like,

Collin Funkhouser  59:05

with his knife out, yes, of course, slowly putting it away.

Brandon  59:11

Yeah. He's like, as a visitor of mine. He's like, Ah, it's all right, dear boy, said Provost coming forward with his little class black book, and then addressing himself to Herbert, take it in your right hand. Lord, strike you dead on the spot if you ever spilled any in any way, one whatsoever, and pips, just like, Just do it. Herbert, it's fine. And Herbert's

Collin Funkhouser  59:33

such good sport. He's just like, oh, okay, yep.

Brandon  59:36

And he's like, you're on your oath. Now, you know, he's like, okay, like, what he's like. Just humor him. Herbert, it's fine, okay, whatever. Which leads us to the brilliant opening line of chat 41 in vain. Should I attempt to describe the astonishment and disquiet of Herbert when he I and Provost sat down before the fire, and I recounted the whole of the secret, enough that I saw my own feelings reflected in Herbert's face, and not least among them, my repugnance towards the man who had done so much for me.

Collin Funkhouser  1:00:19

He's just like, oh, man, this went downhill fast.

Brandon  1:00:22

Really did, right? It really did, you know, it's Oh, they do, like they did, like, rent him a room, like, across the way, right? Yes, in the meantime, for when Herbert came back. And so they talk, and then they they walk him home, and they come back and like they're Herbert and him, are just like, Okay, now what do we do?

Collin Funkhouser  1:00:55

And this is where PIP is now describing like he doesn't want anything to do with he doesn't want his money. And he's even more abhorred that provost is showing up wanting to spend all this money

Brandon  1:01:10

well, also he wants to stay. Because he's like, how long are you staying? And he's like, Yes, I am staying back. Oh yeah, he's just back now and, and so, like, before, like in the last chapter, we gloss over a little bit, but like, there was a moment where Pip was like, I'm just gonna leave. It's gonna take whatever clothes I'm wearing. I'm just gonna leave and I'm gonna join the soldiers, and I'm gonna go to India. Like, that's like, whoa, okay. And he tells that to Herbert, and Herbert like, I don't think you'd be a very good soldier. Yeah, well,

Collin Funkhouser  1:01:47

he's like, he's like, sure you could do that, sure, sure. But don't you also have, like, a lot of debts that you'd need to pay off, yeah?

Brandon  1:01:53

Maybe do that first. Yeah? Because he does, like, he does have these regrets. He is talking about, like, Oh, how I wish I never left Joe. He's like, I could just be working honestly in the forge. Because he's like, Yo Herbert, I have, you know, I don't I'm, what am I fit for? He's like, I have no prospect, I have no I have no training, I have no like ability, I have no craft, right? Like, I can, I'm going to go be a soldier. And Herbert's like, Okay, that's a bit extreme, right? Like, I think, is what he says, yeah. He's like, that sounds like a bad clan. Maybe don't do that. Soldiering won't do. He says soldiering won't do, yeah, and so, you know, he's like, you would definitely just be better off in a cleric or his house, you know, like, which is, yeah, like I was, and he was like, oh, but poor fellow little he little suspected with whose money he was moving upward. So he's like, Harvard basically is, like, you're gonna have to leave with him. You're gonna have to go somewhere. Like, you can't stay here, like, because he is wanted and he's weird, but like, because he's wanted, and you can't live, especially in London, right? Like that. That's like the hub of, you know, all of the English government and so, like, you can't stay in London if he is a known wanted person, even though he probably is not known by that many people currently. But he is like, you're gonna have to go. You should leave and take him with you and go somewhere. And he's like, but I don't want to

Collin Funkhouser  1:03:51

do that. Also sounds terrible.

Brandon  1:03:54

Yeah, so they're trying to figure out what to do about that. When the next day?

Collin Funkhouser  1:04:04

Well, because then they, like, they basically are going, well, we don't know. I don't actually know anything about this guy. Yeah, I don't know how to figure out. And basically, Herbert's like, you could ask him when he got yes for breakfast.

Brandon  1:04:16

Yes, he's coming back in the morning. We should just ask him, yeah. And, oh, boy, that's what. And I

Collin Funkhouser  1:04:25

guess part of that is like, Do you think that's just out of curiosity, or do you think this is going to give PIP is hoping for something to use to get him out of London? Like, why do you think that's what they decide on as their next step,

Brandon  1:04:43

I think partially, just so they can have some sort of plan to start with, right? And I think he is also just curious, because, like, he has brought it up a few times in his thoughts, like he wants to ask, like, why were you in jail? Like, why were you a prisoner? What happened? What were you before I met you? How did you end up there? But like, he didn't, like, he wasn't he didn't know how to bring it up, and he was kind of afraid to broach the subject. And now Herbert's like, I think we should ask him. And he's like, oh, yeah, we should, because he already wanted to right, just because he wants to know, right? He, like, just wants to know. Like, why? Like, what are the circumstances that brought you here? And I think he wants to know, like, am I correct in being so reviled by your presence, right? Like, is, did you actually do some sort of, like, horrid crime that, like, makes me like, it validates my feeling towards you, like, am I right? Of that you're a bad person, right?

Collin Funkhouser  1:05:51

Because, in Pip's imagination, he even said, like he was basically heaping every unknown atrocity onto him as a criminal. It was just like it was just building and building and building. And he's just going, I kind of just need to know who I'm working with and who is, who's my benefactor here, who really is, yes.

Brandon  1:06:13

And so in chapter 42 we get that story, holy, yeah. So it starts off with, you know, normal stuff, right? He's like, I was, you know, you know, whatever. I've been locked up as much as a silver tea kettle, right? I was just, you know, I just, you know, blah, blah, blah. He was just kind of like a random guy. Didn't really do much, but he fell in with some dudes. Oh no. He was like a laborer, right? Champ, tramping, begging, thieving, working sometimes, and I could though that weren't as often as you think, until you put the question whether you would have been over ready to give me work yourselves, poaching laborer, Wagoner, right? Just kind of an odd job country fella,

Collin Funkhouser  1:07:16

right, yeah, but he's also, he starts, he doesn't know. I mean, is this, I forget part of this. This is the last thing that I read, and this, this whole thing, kind of threw me off. But also he doesn't he, I kind of got it from the perspective of, he kind of always grew up in this way, yeah, right, like grew up always kind of on the edge of society.

Brandon  1:07:43

Yeah, sounds like he was, kind of, he was poor, right? And just kind of poor country guy, right? Kind of what it was, you know, but until one time he was at the races, and he met up with a guy named compison, yes, right? And he was the man that you seen me pounded in the ditch, according to what you truly told your comrade after I was gone last night, right? So this is the other convict that was out that he saw on the marsh. Yes, was this other dude, right? This was the guy that he was like, wailing on, which he was like, I'm gonna kill him. That's this is the guy. So now we find out why he was mad at this guy, right? So he'd like, notice me looking at him, and like, asked him to come and, like, he was like, oh, you know what, see, you down on your luck. And he's like, Hey, look, changes. Maybe yours is gonna change too, right? So he invites him to, like, drink and eat with him, or whatever. He went to the house the next time, and he had another guy. He was like a criminal, right? He was, what was compisoned business in which he was, Don't wanting to have a partner. His business was swindling, handwriting, forging, excuse me, stolen bank note passing and such, like all sorts of traps as composite could set with his head and keep his own legs out of it to get the profits and let another man in for that was copy son's business. He had no more heart than an iron file. He was as cold as death, and he had the head of the devil, aforementioned. So he's like, you know, just criminal.

Collin Funkhouser  1:09:47

We call this white collar criminals, yeah,

Brandon  1:09:50

yeah, forging and yes, and, you know, fraud and maybe a bit of money laundering here and there, right? And so he had another guy who is with him, right? So he had this other guy. So here's, here's the first time that my like your your spidey senses go off, right? He says there's another guy there. There was another man in with compison. He was called Arthur, not as being so christened, but it was his surname. He was in a decline and was a shadow to look at him. Him and compison had been in a bad thing with a rich lady some years before, and they'd made a pot of money on it. Right? This is where your hair is on your next stand. Up a little bit like, wait a minute, Arthur was dying and dying poor, with horrors on him, compey sons, wife, which compey son kicked mostly. So it was not very nice, apparently, right? We get this story basically here. Paraphrase this, like Arthur was dying, and he like, they were at the house and he was a fever, probably right, they're all there. I'm assuming that Provis is here also, because the way he's talking about it, yes, he was witness to this, but he said he like starts shrieking, right now, I can't get rid of her. She's all in white, he says, with flowers in her hair. She's awful mad. She's got a shroud hanging over her arm. She says she'll put it on me at five in the morning, right? So he's being haunted by this woman, all in white, wearing a shroud and flowers. Oh, no.

Collin Funkhouser  1:11:56

Probably nothing, probably

Brandon  1:11:58

not related at all. Nobody. Nothing in this book is connected back to things we've heard before. Everything's fine, right? So they take him upstairs and they give him some booze, and he kind of calms down and right, right now. He's like, he's like, yeah, for a little bit, because later he starts screaming again. It's like, look at her, right? She's right there. Don't you see her? Get her away from me, right? And they're like, Okay, buddy, right? But he got up screaming again. He yelled, don't let her throw it over my shoulders. Don't let her lift me up to get around me. She's lifted me up. Keep it down. Then he lifted himself up hard and was dead. Yeah, yeah, weird, yeah, definitely not a right. So anyway, that was a thing that happened, right? And then we go back this again. I don't really like this part is a little bit disjointed, because, like, then it jumps from there to them being convicted together on like, some felony charges, right? And here we see the two tiered justice system in all its glory, yes, right. Compison shows up to court beautifully adorned. Well.

Collin Funkhouser  1:13:29

Prior to this, compa son tells Avis here basically, like we're separating we'll have separate defenses. Oh, yeah, like, he immediately tells we're doing this individually, and this is where Provost gets connected to Jaggers. Because, yeah,

Brandon  1:13:46

later on,

Collin Funkhouser  1:13:48

everything that he can, yeah,

Brandon  1:13:50

but until after this part, I don't think, because he says, Before I could, oh, yeah, I had to sell before I could get to Jagger. But yeah, they have separate defenses. And so, because he sold everything to get jaggers's lawyer and all this stuff, right? They show up to court. And compison is, like, very he's dressed very nice. He has nice handkerchiefs. He's very gentlemanly. And Magwitch is just like, there in his dirty old clothes, right? And basically a lawyer is like, look at him. Look at this. One is clearly a villain, and this guy clearly is not.

Collin Funkhouser  1:14:33

And even if, even if,

Brandon  1:14:37

the he did it too, he's nowhere near as bad as this other guy. That's basically what's happening. Absolutely it is, yeah, basically what's happening here, and so he gets like, railroaded and convicted to more time than the other guy, right? But whenever he finds out that he is on the same ship, he just vows, I'm going to do what the justice system did not, and I will show you who is equal now I will show you this. And so like he didn't realize like he was he the other guy escapes the ship to get away from this dude. That's why he escaped, right? But when he found out that the other escaped convict was him, he was real in a bad way, right? Yeah, right, but my boy, I was give to understand his compass was out on them marches to upon my soul. I half believe he had escaped in his terror to get quit of me, not knowing it was me as had got ashore. I hunted him down. I smashed his face, and now says I is the worst thing I can do. Carry nothing for myself. I'll drag you back like he was like, I'm just gonna take you back to the ship. All speed up. We're not done. I don't care. He's like, you're not getting out of this. I will take you back myself. I will haul you up on the boat without the guards help. I don't even care.

Collin Funkhouser  1:16:21

That's a basic, yeah. It's he wanted, because he wanted to have him back in the same place, have them be equal, right?

Brandon  1:16:31

Yes, he wanted them to be equal. They did the same crime. They should be punished equally. That's what he thought, right? And the crime again, it doesn't sound like it was like a right. It was just like fraud, he stuff, so he wasn't like a right. We both committed for felony. That's all. It says, yeah, right, oh, of putting stolen notes in circulation, yeah, forgery, right, forgery. Or, or I just, it just says stolen notes. So like, oh, they just, they're just robbed, just some robbery, just a little robbery, right? So this, I don't know how this will make pit feel knowing that the original crime was just robbery. It's pretty normal crime. Nothing too flashy, nothing exciting, right? He didn't go to jail to be a murderer. He just got murdered. He just got life for, like, trying to escape and like murdering this guy, which, you know, it's fine, right? He says, Is he dead? Is who dead? Dear boy. Copy song. He hopes I am if he's alive, you may be sure I never heard of him. I never heard no more of him. Yeah, and at this point, Herbert is just sort of sitting in the corner listening and just writing in a book, right? And his Provis stands there smoking by the fire. He just kind of hands the book to him right and in the book herberry has written young Haversham, his name was Arthur compison, is the man who professed to be Miss haversham's lover. I shut the book and nodded slightly to Herbert and put the book by but neither of us said anything, and both looked at Provis as he stood smoking by the fire. Ah, ah, so copy song was running a con. He is the man that was running the con on Miss Havisham, yeah, with her brother right to try to get all of her money, who abandoned her at the altar, left her in this state of dress. And, you know, so I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I don't know if PIP is gonna be like, Oh, you avenged Miss hammership. That's good, right?

Collin Funkhouser  1:19:11

You know what? Given where we are with PIP Absolutely.

Brandon  1:19:15

This is, this is some sort of bizarre thing that he will think, right? Like, oh, this is excellent. Okay, that's a good news. Maybe we should go tell her, no, don't do that. Pip, don't do that. We'll see, though. We'll see what happens. But this is our official bombshell, right? We have connected some more dots, because apparently, in all of London, all of England, like these five people all know each other somehow that this guy weirdly fell in with the people that deceived Miss Havisham asked several years after the fact, right, yes, he fell in with them. He was doing the crimes, you know, photo, whatevers, and then they got busted. One of the Arthur died from sickness or vengeful spirit. We don't know. Maybe this is what Miss Havisham is doing when she's walking the halls. She's projecting her vengeful ghost out across the Moors to murder. Yeah, right? Like astral projecting her rage, her enemies, right? It's like an X Men power, right?

Collin Funkhouser  1:20:30

It's projected rage. Okay, did have a previous title, but that, that takes the cake. Okay, okay,

Brandon  1:20:39

so, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, anyway, I forgot my thought, Oh, yeah. So they were together. This guy died. They commit some more crimes. They go to jail. They both escape simultaneously. Pip sees them, boom. Here we are now, like, this is very convoluted, connected story, which leads me to believe that we must, of course, identify the unnamed person on the stairs. This must happen at some point in this book. Since everything is connected, right? We will, in fact, find this out at some point. Who knows how, far into the future, but we are running out of pages, so we can't wait too much longer.

Collin Funkhouser  1:21:23

No, they will be the last piece

Brandon  1:21:26

in the last the last page, right? We got like 100 and some pages left, so not that many. But we do have one more mystery to solve. What is Pip gonna do? Is Pip gonna leave somewhere. Here's a real question, and is, are we gonna find out who the person on the stairs was? No one knows.

Collin Funkhouser  1:21:53

And will he marry Estella? I

Brandon  1:21:56

hope not. But you never know. Never know. We haven't mentioned Stella in several chapters, so be on the lookout for that coming soon. Can't go too long without thinking about her.

Collin Funkhouser  1:22:13

Oh yeah. It's uh oh. Things are heating up. It's getting good.

Brandon  1:22:17

They are hot enough that's true. Finally, finally,

Collin Funkhouser  1:22:20

finally, finally. Oh well, in

Brandon  1:22:23

some action in between the fretting,

Collin Funkhouser  1:22:26

oh my gosh, there's so much fretting, fretting and pacing and pacing and fretting. Well, the help coolest down, I can give a haiku. Oh yes, of my for me. So here, here we go. Quiet, sliding doors Hush, highway hum, kids safe behind comfort on long road.

Brandon  1:22:52

I almost jokingly asked, is it about a Pacifica, I

Collin Funkhouser  1:22:57

mean, and didn't have to ask.

Collin Funkhouser  1:23:08

Oh, there you go. Excellent.

Brandon  1:23:13

So excellent. There we go, looking

Collin Funkhouser  1:23:16

for that 2026, redesign. And then,

Brandon  1:23:19

oh, man, Grizzly edition,

Collin Funkhouser  1:23:25

so excited. But for that, we'll have to wait until till next time and see what. Okay, very good. Well, we'll do this. Do this again soon.

Brandon  1:23:37

All right, love you, love you. Bye, bye.